AtGames Legends 4KP - 5 things to know before you buy

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

A great, albeit pricey, machine that for many people could be the one and done vpin for years to come - but is it too expensive for your needs?

[@MadBenHan]

Great video JDV! A fair assessment. I wish people can see you get so much and asking price is much less than anything comparable/custom.

[@peteg475]

It really is a bargain for people who want this experience without paying 5 grand plus.

[@MadBenHan]

@@peteg475 best part is we get to compete with one another on the leaderboards. I see you on there PeteG 😁

[@peteg475]

@@MadBenHan You're on there a lot more than me. lol

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Thanks Ben! As I've said, it is expensive when compared to most 3/4 scale arcades, but considering the features and the much more expensive (and non-licensed) alternatives, it does offer a good bang-for-buck. Which is why I think it's important for a person to know what it is they are really looking for in a vpin (casual use vs fanatic love of pinball).

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

It would likely cost $2,000 to make this on your own (plus of course a huge amount of time/research/etc). A comparable unit at a place like Extreme is about twice as much and can take up to 6 months to arrive. In that context, this machine is a steal.

[@PalkosHorrorCollection]

Both your videos & Wagners convinced me to pick up the ‘Addams Family’ premium table. Should be here any day & am super excited to check it out in person.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Shaping up to be a very entertaining Christmas for you! I hope you like as much as I do.

[@tedadamgreen]

The ALP 4K seems to have a tremendous amount of appeal !!

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Totally agree - a huge amount of appeal. It's the price tag that keeps many from taking the plunge, which I totally understand. I wonder what would happen if they could get these down to $999....

[@PapaBradsGaming]

Another great video as usual. The Legend Pinball 4KP is not pricey for what it offers in my opinion. Great video with many good points about why this is the home arcade product of the year for 2024. The opimization of the Zen tables makes this my favorite way to play. Simplicity wins! The SSF sound also was a game changer!

[@TheBigb1973]

considering you got yours for free!

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Thanks Brad! I'm about to do my top 5 products of the year, but I don't think it'll be any surprise what's number one on my list! SSF kit, the Zen games (and their optimization) do truly make this a great product. It is pricey, but it's also fair value for what you get.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Yes, I did receive a review unit, yet much of what I say is undeniably true - the lack of other vpin options, the expense of real world pins, the ability to download games, the excellent SSF kit, the build quality, etc etc. All objectively true. Now whether or not this is a product that appeals to you, or whether or not you trust is of course up to you.

[@schubert3315]

Great timing. Their servers been down all day. 😂

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Yeah, I just saw that! Well, something to watch while you wait for 'em to come back on-line! :)

[@peteg475]

I'm just glad it wasn't my machine. Whew!

[@carlo1132]

Great overview. I see alot of people have two now, Peanuts is the one I would get next if I got a second machine. SSF is must for sure, since the zen's have been rebuilt, I actually prefer playing Native vs my dedicated gaming pc hooked up to my ALP 4KP and its running a 12900k 3080ti at 4kp, its looks better on the gaming pc but the game play and audio is superior native.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Yeah, that sums it up nicely - Zen games look better on dedicated PC, but play and sound better on the 4KP! I would like a 2nd machine if the skin was right (THE THING would almost impossible to ignore). Be very interesting to see what skins are coming out next year....

[@Lithonion1]

I like the size because the room I have real pins in, this fits just by the door and doesn't block the door entry, a real pin would. So this sits next to 3 real pins due to the door otherwise it would be an empty spot. I am waiting to see if Zen will get licensed for Star Wars on this pin and we get a Star Wars theme to put into my Star Wars collection room.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing when I dragged it into the middle of the room! The machine's basic size does it the sweet spot between a real-world pin and the smaller 24" playfield models.

[@cwescrab]

I love my 4kalp, I just wish they made a larger screen version as an option.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

That IMO is the only true reason not to get the machine (other than affordability) as it's a bit wee if you want a vpin that's the same size a real pin.

[@rickandcrystalshow]

Hey buddy,yes I’m trying to talk my wife into us getting the 4K pinball machine next year.I am not jonesing for these themes, I would enjoy a Twilight zone, or scooby doo,or a disco one would be cool,love your show,we watch all your work.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Disco! My God man! Er, I mean you could re-skin one and simply use a disco ball as a topper (which would actually be kinda sweet). I'd guess that we'll get a few more skins announced either for NOD in February, or at CES in April.

[@watsomd]

You hit the nail on the head. I am waiting for a killer skin / matching table. The Thing would check multible boxes for me, TNG would be awesome. I would be cool if their could be community voting on skins.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

a THING model, replete with the art from the poster as a topper, would be incredible. Simply put the words "The Thing" on the side and you're done! Hopefully we'll know the full line-up sooner than later.

[@steveblersch]

I love playing mine!

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

After I was done shooting the episode last night, I cued up TX SECTOR and played for about an hour (when I had no intention of doing so), just b/c it is so much fun. One of the things I should have mentioned is the sheer variety in the type of games - a little bit of everything.

[@jpalmtree5549]

I will never forget Gorgar, him got me always! 😂 Good times at the shaq brother.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Love ya brother! Yeah, I do miss GORGAR too... but I do have a very nice VPX version now, which lessens the pain.

[@loganq]

Thanks for mentioning TNG! I would have been so excited to have gotten this earlier this year with a TNG skin, but now I'm kind of over it. They made it so confusing with all these different options, deals, shipping, kits, and styles. They should have made one model and let people choose the skins a year ago.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

I love AtGames and what they're trying to do, but I agree about both the myriad of buying options and offering different skins for the same basic model (which is essentially what ends up happening anyway). There is one aspect that we don't know about though - whether or not they can get the licensing for the skins; whether or not they need to "prove" to the license holders that the units will sell. Put another way, I'm positive AG knows certain skins would be popular (ST:TNG, CREATURE) and would put them out sooner if they could.

[@cwafflestx]

Always enjoy your videos but it’s ironic this video came out during ANOTHER outage from AtGames where people can’t sign in and play their games unless they set them for offline mode. This is the 3rd or 4th MAJOR outage for them in under a year.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Yeah, I found out about when I was uploading the video! In one way, I suppose it's a good thing as it (likely) means a lot of demand from the many owners. One way to deal with this is to be able to switch over to off-line mode without having to be on-line (a feature I highly advocate them adding).

[@joeyjojojunior4886]

I could see Zen ending their relationship with AtGames in the near future and start producing their own machines with optimized hardware.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

That would a be a stunning development.

[@stupidfathobbit4262]

They just delayed the remaining packs for 2024 till further notice because of their software issue. So no History packs, Zen 2 pack with Wild West and Sorcerers Lair or Sea of Thieves

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Well, I guess we'll just have to limp along with the existing 200 tables! And not to put too fine a point on it, but I think AG learned a valuable lesson about putting out tables that weren't quite ready for prime-time when the lag issue bit them on the butt. I'd rather them get it right the first time vs simply putting out a table because of a previously announced release date.

[@GlennBolger]

I have a VPin from Xtreme Gaming Cabinets Australia - and my machine fromXGC beats them hands down. XGC is without doubt the best in the whole for of VPin - I have this and I can prove it

[@chrisgrossnickle1479]

I agree with you. That company makes the best vpins in the world. Problem is the cost and yes I know it's worth every penny. Just can't swing it though unfortunately. Maybe someday. Congrats on your machine. Been watching them for couple year's. That company's machines are legit epic!

[@GlennBolger]

Thanks yes It’s a shame you can’t afford their machine because I must say it is money well spent for me at least . So much fun and worth it 😊

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Xtreme makes an amazing table, but it is completely apples and oranges. First - and most importantly - their tables are vastly more expensive; essentially double what the 4KP cost to get something similar. 2nd, it can take 6 months or more to receive it once ordered. The tables aren't licensed, and to add more requires a knowledge of VPX/Future Pinball. Essentially, you enter the realm of being a hobbyist with their (or other) similar tables. AtGames eliminates all that.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Shoot, I wish I could afford them too! Great machines... but a completely different sphere of vpin then AtGames.

[@cloker375]

Why don't you think Star Wars or Marvel will come anytime soon on the ALP 4K?

[@peteg475]

Licensing is very expensive, i think. Disney charges a lot

[@cloker375]

@@peteg475 Arcade1Up was able to overcome that on their tables.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Well, they "overcame" it by spending a huge amount of money! A1up was probably as flush with cash as it ever would be when it bought those licenses. Another aspect is that A1up is selling those STAR WARS & Marvel tables new in box and may well still have exclusive rights to do so.

[@smku2268]

Unless their online system goes down, like what's going on right now. They become a giant paper weight.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Well, you're not to first to point this out! I'm advocating AG let us switch to off-line mode even when we're not on-line for reasons like this. Another reason is that plenty of us (including myself) have very spotty internet at the best of times. Hopefully we'll get this feature soon.

[@bonesjackson81]

And we can't use it as the servers are down. Ha. BS. Need to be able to put the tables to the machine like the alp hd.

[@petermacnab1871]

You can put the tables offline . Check the settings

[@peteg475]

@@petermacnab1871 The tables exist locally. but you have to be online to log in, in order to activate offline mode. That's something they should fix. You should be able to log in with your name and password locally, irrespective of Atgames having their servers functioning or not.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Peteg475 - I actually agree with this: you should be able to switch over to off-line mode regardless of being signed in or not (today's outage a prime example of why).

[@cwafflestx]

@@peteg475You SHOULD be able to do that but you currently can’t. There is a lot they can do to improve that experience but they haven’t.

[@petermacnab1871]

@@evilgeniusentertainment so you can’t switch to offline mode unless you are logged in ?