Atheism VS Theism

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God is the personification of your perceived reality as it is exposed/revealed to you.
Perceived reality is the the space where objective reality meets your subjective interactions with it. Think of a ven-diagram; one side is the objective world, the other side is your filter created by past environments and experiences. The place in the middle is the objective world after you filter it. This is reality.
Understanding that your reality can be changed/bargained either by outside action in the objective world; or by making adjustments to the filter you are using to process the incoming information is a fundamental “religious” truth.
This fundamental “revelation” for lack of a better word, changes our relationship with reality. We start to feel as though our actions have existential meaning (after all, changing perceived reality is no laughing matter)
Reality reveals itself to us, or, we are enlightened, by a slow process that lifts us out of a state of implicit action to explicit intention. Let’s call it, moving from implicitly to explicity. You might imagine an IV drip line, but instead of going into your arm, it’s going into a different, empty IV Bag. The first bag is implicity, the second is explicity. The enlightenment process is a series of slow, revelatory drips. Often, we perceive the drips as intentional; as if there is a consciousness behind the scenes who is teaching us these lessons. Because everyone is always learning different lessons, it’s as if this being is omnipresent and omniscient.
While it’s normal for those who live in explicity to look down on the implicit as naive or foolish, it isn’t right. People can live happy, fulfilling lives in both camps. Not everyone is born with the drive to uncover the implicit.
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[@davidteeples2558]

Wise analysis thank you! I appreciate your ability to put into words that we need SOMETHING to endure the harsh reality of life. Meaning is needed to pull us through

[@ubermormon9611]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@Omzzz85]

Hello, and I hope you are well. Not sure how I stumbled upon your videos, but I'm glad I did. It must have been hard at first to question the indoctrination. Trying to accept what doesn't intuitively sit right. Trying to believe in something despite the conflicting evidence. One will start to question if they're being delusional. Emotions play a big part in what we want to adhere to, but in reality, emotions play no role in determining what is true and what isn't. To be fair to ourselves, one would follow the evidence and go through a line of reasoning to deduce if there is a source to our existence or not.

[@thuggie1]

my view on reality changed massively i went down the atheist minefield after leaving then just found i was learning a new dogma it was only when i started to look at myself and how i work and my consciousness am still looking. the more i questioned reality the more i move away from black and white thinking and the more i moved away from the is there or is there not a God, deep down i think reality is more complicated than what the human mind can comprehend and shutting your mind off by effectively picking a team is really unappealing to me now.

[@ubermormon9611]

One day I’ll do a deeper dive on this subject. But I think it’s interesting how as our cultural stories change, reality and our filters changes too. It seems like this is what Nietzsche noticed when he said God was dead. Keep in mind he wrote that in the 1880’s; 30ish years after Darwin had written “On the origin of species”. I think he noticed that the Cultural story had changed everyone’s filter. Reality and they way we began to describe reality changed as a result. Overall. I think it’s a sign of emotional maturity to realize it doesn’t matter what the answer is. Welcome to Fowler’s 5th stage my friend:)

[@thuggie1]

@@ubermormon9611 I think it is one of the problems of been human we like creating reality around ourselves and not just been and look at it. The universe is a strange place I fund

[@RealDavidJohn]

Same journey. Crazy how similar my conclusions are to yours.

[@myspiritualife]

I think I consider myself to be agnostic. One thing I've been thinking about a lot lately is how humanity's perception of God has changed so much over time. There is so much social and cultural reflection in every eras view of God. Which makes you wonder what that could me. Were they just wrong about the nature of God, and we (current Christians) are more right? The more empathetic we became, the more empathetic god seemed to have become. Although I honestly don't know much about how people viewed god in the past, what little I know about it seems that god was cruel the future you go back. This makes me think that it is possible, like you said that the belief in God is something that humanity pretty much evolves past. And I think we are seeing that happen more so now because less and less people are religious and less people feel the need to be religious .

[@ubermormon9611]

You basically said my whole video better than I did! Yes! The link between our cultural values and how we personify God doesn’t seem to be a top down thing to me.

[@AdamTheJensen]

Thanks for sharing. I'm exmormon and an atheist. I don't speak for all atheists. For me personally, atheism is simply the stance that I am not convinced that a god exists. I'm also not convinced that any supernatural phenomena exist. This isn't dogmatic-my mind changes as evidence is presented to me. I don't mind at all if a person believes something that isn't evidence-based. I'm not out to tell people they shouldn't have religion. My concern is that so many religious people use their influence in the community to enforce rules that are not supported by evidence. For me, it is important to speak out against this. Does that make sense?

[@ubermormon9611]

This makes a lot of sense Adam. I am here with you on evidence based beliefs. Though, I don’t know if they are called beliefs at that point.

[@transcendentphilosophy]

I like the idea of making the implicit explicit! Do you think that it is possible that religion has both good and bad ideas implicitly? Do you think post-theism is about learning how to make these ideas explicit so we can extract the good and leave behind the bad?

[@ubermormon9611]

I think you hit the nail on the head with your question at the end. I think the ONLY way to leave a god belief behind is to wring out all the meaning and implicit stories that were wrapped up in that belief. I think religion has good and bad implicit and explicit knowledge. My issue with religion is that the epistemology seems weak. Most of the rules and wisdom come from people who claim authority that must be bought into for the system to work.

[@thelastgoonie6555]

Could you do a video on Deism? This is where I've landed post-mormonism. Jeffersonian deism is very attractive to me. I think it's quite evident God is not an interventionist the way Theism teaches, but the known and unknown universe is so strange, I find hardcore Atheism improbable as well.

[@FearAndTrembling]

Lots of thoughts: Since we have a relationship to objective reality, it sounds a lot like real theism instead of post theism. That relationship seems pretty solid, and it seems to be dialoguing with people to share its view of truth. I've been told this is called "natural revelation", whereas various scriptures are argued to be special revelation. I don't think your analysis of the Word is correct here. The literal Greek means dialogue, yes, but the opening to the gospel of Joh, in my opinion, is an initial appeal to the educated elites of the Greek, Roman, and Jewish world. When he uses Logos there, it's not innovative or controversial. Heraclitus called his God "Logos", and John is borrowing the term. The difference comes in at verse 14 with "and the word became flesh". Everyone else had basically rolled over to a Platonistic world view at this point, and John was challenging it. I think that I agree that it is human to be religious. I also think it's human to quest for truth. Because I think both these things, I also think that there must be truth in religion beyond mere advantage.

[@EMathe]

It's like, athiests' view of reality is missing something and theists' view of reality is missing something because reality is the intersection of these ideas. In other words- they don't exist without the other. Duality.

[@ubermormon9611]

YES

[@trevorper]

One more note: the aim of a debate is not to change the minds of the debaters themselves, but to allow others listening in a chance to hear an opposing view. I think you’ve missed that point

[@porchtime504]

To me you are going about it just right. In a way, being around exmormonism for two decades, I think exmormonism/ new atheism itself was a type of training wheels too and I think there have been a ton of problems in the anti narrative shooting out of a canon too fast without the larger self awareness about the soup we were all born into. I’m happy younger people are starting coming out of the gates with better wholistic thinking of what we are all waking up to and I hope y’all replace the current postmormon Overton window sooner rather than later. Keep goin.

[@ubermormon9611]

Thanks Chris! I had to fight t urge to start doing this channel until I could feel those ideas settle. I needed the training wheels off. In awaits way, something inside me new o would be able to make helpful content until that had happened. Hopefully our paths cross.

[@trevorper]

Atheism is not a belief system. Atheists are not “right or wrong” as they are not claiming “there is no God”, but literally just stating that they lack belief in a specific God. Gnosticism deals with knowledge and theism deals with belief in God. If you don’t believe in a specific God, but don’t claim to know whether one exists or not, you’re an agnostic atheist. The problem with your definition of God is that 99.99% of everyone that believes in a God is not using your definition, so it’s just not useful and does not apply to anyone else but probably you. This definition of God as “the personification of your perceived reality” raises so many questions. Firstly, how exactly can you personify all of perceived reality? People are humans found as separate beings within our perceived reality, and only exist in relationship to other things that are not a “person”. You’re saying a person can exist all alone, outside of a perceived reality, and the whole perceived universe IS this person? Within what existence could this person exist? I can say that I’m absolutely atheist towards that idea of a God as well and I think you’d be hard pressed to find any theist that believes in that definition of a God. It sounds to me like someone who’s having a tough time admitting to themselves that they are indeed an Atheist, or someone that’s trying to be better than both camps by redefining God, in hopes to create an intellectual 3rd option (but this is the definition of theism). It doesn’t matter how you define it, you’re just adding another God to the list of all the rest that hold zero evidence.

[@trevorper]

One more note: the aim of a debate is not to change the minds of the debaters themselves, but to allow others listening in a chance to hear an opposing view.

[@ubermormon9611]

I know that know one agrees or uses my definition of God, that’s why I made a video to put it out there. It’s being a useful way for me to interact with the world around me so I thought I’d share it. Thanks for the thoughtful comments!

[@trevorper]

@@ubermormon9611 thanks for the kind reply! I love all of your videos, but disagreed fervently on this one so thought I’d share my perspective! Keep up the good work!

[@ubermormon9611]

@@trevorper you don’t know how much I appreciate smart, nice people.