Atkins vs. China Study diet. Who won? You decide.

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A debate examining a plant-based high carbohydrate/low protein diet versus a low carbohydrate/high protein diet for cancer prevention and overall health presented by the University of Alabama at Birmingham. Read the story: bit.ly/13h6qPq

[@bodyatwar]

I LOVE the kindness and humility of T. Colin Campbell- this has been his lifes work and he is healing millions through it!

[@phuahnini6871]

He is just living proof of what he advocates....need he say more? 🤷‍♀️ Dr Roberts Atkins, at that point of the debate, dead already. Soooo ???

[@patriciabailhaodasilva5928]

Being born in Brazil, my family diet was 90% plant base diet. There were not problem with obesity. The doctors back then recommended eat more rice and beans. Not meat.

[@user-zy3nv1jy1m]

The fat you eat is the fat you wear

[@kevinwilson3337]

@@user-zy3nv1jy1m from my lips to my hips the fat i eat is the fat I wear.

[@itzakehrenberg3449]

meat is not making us fat; we ate more of it in 1960s than today and it was fattier. It is the massive increase in consumption of HFCS and seed oils that is the cause of the obesity epidemic. Seed oils are not food (unlike fruit oils like olive oil).

[@80slimshadys]

@@itzakehrenberg3449 Incorrect. Meat consumption has gone up consistently, we eat more meat than we have in history, only red meat consumption has gone down and dairy and chicken has increased. Chicken is an obesogenic food too.

[@Bankai90]

@@80slimshadys meat is not making people fat. Keto diets and low carb diets work fantastic for weight loss with a not too smart population. Ppl understanding the basic ideas of thermodynamics could lose weight easily on freaking oreos. Protein and moderate fat is very satiating and keeps blood sugar spikes low moderate. The issue is that those diets lead to massive increase in the alrdy nr1 killer worldwide. Atherosclerosis. When those low carb ppl now eat even more fatty meat, while cheating way too often throwing bloodsugar double out of whack. It will lead to highway to heartattack at 50. The main issue is processed garbage being full of everything. Yet adding sat fat to is a health diseaster.

[@paulb4496]

In 2019 I weighed 215 pounds, arthritis, asthma, hay fever, diverticulitis, internal and external hemorrhoids. I felt terrible. I went whole food plant based (McDougall plan). At 165 pounds my weight stabilized. Asthma GONE, Hay fever GONE, Arthritis GONE, Diverticulitis GONE, Hemorrhoids GONE. I feel 10 years younger and have energy. God bless Dr. Campbell, Dr. McDougall and all the whole food plant based Doctors behind this MOVEMENT.

[@jamesmcbeth4463]

I know a couple of people who had health problems like that and also basically cured themselves by going vegan.

[@brucetowell3432]

Same here, I'm losing weight, dropping my A1C to 5.1 BP 120 over 72 My doctor has cut my Metformin in half from 500 to 250 daily, .(.I'd like to stop it altogether now)says he'll cut it out altogether if I can continue weight loss from 227 to 210...I'm 5ft10 had a heart attack 14 years ago....haven't felt this good in years. Thank you Dr. McDougall/Campbell and Dr. Esselstyne Jr.

[@whatisgoingonineedtoknow.]

You would fight tooth to nail for your life's work, wouldn't you? Otherwise you would come to the realisation of a wasted life.

[@gedamco]

I watched this video years ago and at the time it seemed to me that Dr. Campbell was kind of exaggerating. In those days, I was on a low-carb, high-fat diet, but after a while my blood cholesterol level rose to such a degree that my kidneys began to fail and I almost compromised the sight in my left eye. Maybe I'm a stubborn guy and that was a hard lesson that taught me to dig deeper before making radical changes in my diet. Now, I have been on a plant-based diet for several years and couldn't be in better health.

[@R2MintOptions]

Most of history, animals did walk up to you be captured/killed, so if cavemen relied solely on meat, we wouldn't be here today (i.e. extinction). Think of the Native Americans, they knew enough not to hunt buffaloes to extinction, meaning plants were a big part of their diet. Basically, with anything in life, remember to put it into the right context (e.g. Paleo good? Well, what was their life expectancy?, etc).

[@fondrees]

​@@R2MintOptionsnativeuk There were so many, it was impossible to hu🎉bnt them into extinction. That doesn't mean they were vegans half the time.

[@cempakasari6361]

I was diagnosed with an autoimmune which attacks both of my kidneys. About a year ago I adopted MODIFIED WHOLE PLANT BASED FOOD (MWPBF) for my diet. Guess what? After 1 month adopted MWPBF, from nearly below 30 eGFR went up to nearly 70 within 6 months. This prove to me that WPBF works in curing diseases such as an autoimmune. Thank you Dr. Campbell for sharing your knowledge and you have my vote.

[@erastvandoren]

Modified in what respect?

[@johnlombard777]

As a youth, I was a bodybuilder and consumed far too many animal products with little fiber. As a result, I got diarrhea that lasted for months. A few months after that, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. From there, i did everything doctors recommended and just got worse and worse. I literally almost died from the drugs prednisone and cytoxan. Veganism saved my life

[@waltervogelhosedocto]

The only solution to most health problems , happy for you .

[@richierich2594]

you cant handle the truth

[@wadayaduin5517]

When the length and breadth of correlation approaches a virtually universal point, it's causation.

[@wadayaduin5517]

Hunter gatherers survived as gatherers, while their hunters were hit and miss.

[@wadayaduin5517]

Omega 3s are only needed to counteract omega 6s. Stay away from all oils, and omega 3 consumption isn't an issue.

[@vistagraphsnet]

Five years ago I switched from the Standard American Diet (SAD) to a Whole Foods Plant Based diet after watching Forks over Knives which shows how our food is processed. Within six weeks I lost 35 pounds (I was obese), stopped all diabetes medication as I no longer was diabetic after 20 years, stopped blood pressure medication as my blood pressure became normal (120/ 80), stopped taking medication for high cholesterol as it went from 210 to 135. I watched this debate with interest and there is no doubt that I believe the author of the China Study along with his half a century in the medical field won hands down.

[@KJB0001]

the China Study was debunked. Going from SAD to PB is great, but the better switch would be from SAD to Carnivore. Causation/correlation. You'd lose more weight and have better LDL...cholesterol is essential

[@ameliaa5396]

@@KJB0001 As a cardiac PA, I can assure you that your liver makes all of the cholesterol that your body needs. Unless you want to visit me in the cardiac rehab unit, you do not need to supplement with a carnivore diet.

[@KJB0001]

@@ameliaa5396 Wow. You need to update your continuing education. Start with Peter Attia's lecture below called 'The Straight Dope on Cholesterol' and Dr. Cwyes who explains how to interpret the labs of a carnivore and search Dr. Ken Berry's channel for 'cholesterol' or go find Kelly Hogan and her lab work. Or Mike Metzel at High Intensity Health who has a Masterclass on to learn how to read blood work. Amelia, don't blame the fat for what the sugar did. 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bninqWiphMeWm6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXPYoaqqbJh8irc kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4LadWeupLigiMk kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYKuaKKln9mkeac kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4LadWeupLigiMk

[@erastvandoren]

@@ameliaa5396 Every cell in our body can make cholesterol. From any energy source.

[@KJB0001]

@Ákos Török what don't you believe in my comment akos?? The fact that Attia is changing the landscape for cholesterol testing and Dx standards in American medicine??

[@mazianoguedes5111]

Dr Colin Campbell and plant based all the way. It’s changed my family’s life for good.

[@greatpilatesnow]

How old are you. Have you heard of the vegan Trap?

[@mazianoguedes5111]

There is no trap, my mum is 63 and medicine free after so many years of taking them. None of us take any medicine because our body is so much healthier even my 1 year old baby. We all had health issues but too long to explain here. From skin issues to ear infection every year. If I was going vegan because of not killing animals and eating processed vegan food that would be a different story (by the way we still enjoy meat once a week on a Sunday). It’s all about the raw veg and fruits that is weapon for your body. logically explain me one thing, in nature which animal apart from humans drinks another animals milk.

[@KJB0001]

Campbell cherry picked his stats kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2TdcoSAqal8ptE

[@jjjones4982]

@@mazianoguedes5111 My husband & I are both in our 60's & medicine-free eating a whole food plant-based diet too

[@mazianoguedes5111]

Too good and keep it up. Need to spread the truth to everyone. Too many nonsense around and a corrupt medical system.

[@tpowell3776]

I cured my facial dermatitis and blepharitis around my eyes by eating a whole food, plant based, no oil diet over the last year....My skin is absolutely radiant....I am so grateful to be free from the horrific inflammation and itching around my nose, mouth and eyes....I just want to shout it from the roof tops....I want to help others who are suffering the way I did!! Just know it can take awhile, have faith in the process...but do it, you won't be sorry!!

[@margaretlim9180]

God bless you!

[@swissmaid]

Rub some 100% certified Emu oil into dry/sore skin, works wonders!i

[@anir8023]

Well wait till u reach 40 to see how ur skin will be wothout oils 😬🤦🏻‍♀️

[@KJB0001]

T Powell, omitting seed oil helped your skin, not veganism. Omitting CAFO meat helps everyone, including ketocarnivores. Correlation/Causation.

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

@@anir8023 that's right, oils are a natural, unprocessed food that humans have always consumed 😂

[@Rewydush]

Dr. Campbell grew up on a dairy farm and says that he believed that dairy products were good for you. Then his own research surprised him when it showed the opposite. Pretty compelling.

[@zackisherep9246]

@Clarissa 1986 I could say the exact same for you meat eaters. You're pathetic honestly.

[@successandlifestyle]

It is compelling! Noticed you snagged some trolls on your comment LOL. Their accounts say it all....

[@NoOne-uh9vu]

Yeah sorry man vegans are completely delusional lets start with the basics: Plants are not in the business of being nutritious, plants are in the business of inhibiting nutrition, cause physical damage, poisoning, messing with digestion, messing with hormones, messing with physiological processes, messing with fertility, messing with the thyroid, messing with the gut, messing with nervous system, messing with sleep, inhibiting calorie absorption, messing with the brain and messing with well being in general. Plants don’t want to be eaten and they are expert chemist. Then: All plants are hard to digest, nutrient deficient, nutrient inhibiting, gut irritating, have bad bio availability, the wrong nutritional profile composition and ratios, have terrible absorption rates and are poisonous BY DESIGN. Animal food has no such issues. Then: How can vegans not acknowledge the intrinsic problem within plants that they are full of plant chemicals and residue of chemical agriculture? What about: Phytic Acid, Lectins, Phytohemagglutin, Phytoalexins, Goitrogens, Oxalates, Tannines, Solanin, Salycalates, Sapine, Phytoestrogens, Isoflavones, Glucosinolates, Sulfides, Benzols, Glutamates, Protease Inhibitors, Gluten (celiac disease), Cystine Protease Enzymes, Wheat-Germ-Agglutinin, Cyanogenic Glycosides, Photosensitizers, Phytoecdysones, Aflatoxin, Ochratoxin, Clostridium botulinum, Acrylamide, Furan, and also: Pesticide residue, solvent residues, heavy metals, that accumulate directly into the plants. How about the nutrient deficient nature of plants? Vitamins A, B6, B12, D, F, K2, DHA, EPA, Taurin, Carnitin, Carnosin, Creatin, Heme-Iron, CoQ10, CLA, Cholesterol don't exist in plants that makes the plants by definition the least nutrient food source on the planet. Thats not even factoring in that only animal foods have the correct nutritional profile composition and ratios while plants do not.

[@fender1000100]

@No One So now Einstein you have to explain after 11 years eating a starch based plant based diet. Why I'm in perfect health. Had my doctor shocked. How after only 6 months on said diet. I had reversed type 2 diabetes. Bowel cancer. High blood pressure, gout and SEVERE CONSTIPATION. No idiot its meat that is deficient and poison to the body. It is loaded with Cholesterol Saturated fat Protein Has no FIBRE VITAMIN C VITAMIN A You could live on just potatoes and water for a year. As a man did. And was in good health.Try living on just steak and water for a year and see what would happen to your body. Everything about plants is SUPREME. Superior balance of the major macros. And phytonutrients. PERFECTLY BALANCED. Too much protein compromises the kidneys, liver. And the uric acid dissolves the bones. Which is why many forms of bone degeneration is PROLIFIC in the west. And hardly known in parts of the world. Where carbs make up over 80% of peoples diets. B12 is not made in animals. And even meathead fools like you can become deficient. In this modern bacteria obsessed world we live in. Everyone should be supplementing B12.

[@susanhopemason]

@Clarissa 1986 Yeah...even after their teeth all fall out.

[@rikkim4818]

Dr Campbell is well and around 86 yrs old now. DR Atkins passed away at 79. I know who l would listen to.

[@cornstar1253]

He didn't stick with his diet l. He was obese and slipped on ice and hit his head and died.

[@Asachara]

dr atkins fell and busted his head on ice. died of concussion

[@Protecto.r]

I did Atkins for years and now have Atherosclerosis. Thanks Dr Atkins. However, I have reversed my Atherosclerosis with a Whole Food Plant-based diet. Thank you Dr Campbell and Dr Esselstyn. The Atkins diet is 100% unsafe and should never be pursued.

[@meman6964]

My mother died of heart attack at 65yrs!! Thanks Adkins diet. Her grandsons barely remember her.

[@ID-qd1qk]

Absolutely right! Atkins himself died of heart disease and negatively affected millions of lives when getting rich. I myself been a vegan for 16 years after reading The China Study. 😀🌱

[@KJB0001]

@@ID-qd1qk STFU, Dr. Atkins died a head injury from a fall on ice while walking to work. Atkins reversed my dad's atherosclerosis as his CLEAN keto carnivore diet is low in inflammation.

[@KJB0001]

Truth Wurx, you're atherosclerosis was caused by inflammation which comes from BOTH (cafo) meat AND FODMAPS. Eat grass fed/finished meats and wild game AND remove the plant based histamines cause your inflammation and you'll reverse atherosclerosis. Don't attribute your meat free diet, that's plain anti-science IGNORANCE. correlation does not imply causation. An Anti-Inflammatory Diet prevents atherosclerosis. The RDA is a joke, btw.

[@KJB0001]

Campbell cherry picked his stats kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2TdcoSAqal8ptE

[@Veez65]

I was in keto for two years and I did initially lose weight but it evetually stopped despite eating the exact same way then the weight started to creep up. I switched to plant-based after much research and immediately lost weight but to my shocking surprise my asthma disappeared (i'm 56 and was diagnosed at 23), my rosacea was gone after 8 years and my thyroid anitbodies dropped (Hashimoto's since age 23 as well) and my medication reduced by four doses in just over one year, my joint pain disappeared very quickly, eczema gone and I have energy through the roof. Working out is a joy now. Needless to say, whole foods plant-based is a non-negotiable as far as health and fat loss goes.

[@onezweithree]

The weight you lose in the beginning on a Keto diet is just the water/glycogen stored in your muscles.

[@Veez65]

@@onezweithree yeah, not 65 pounds of water and muscle glycogen though.

[@ilegor365]

Keep things simple. Just cut out factory processed foods. Any move away from SAD will help one lose weight and improve health.

[@huntsman528]

But what about the vegan religion????

[@smeshnoymatvey2054]

@@huntsman528 same as that of Carnivore or Keto religion

[@huntsman528]

@@smeshnoymatvey2054 Almost nobody does carnivore as a permanent diet change. For most people it is a couple months or a month. There are a few people who do it for health reasons, and I'm not going to give crap to anyone who makes a diet change to dramatically improve their health.

[@huntsman528]

@@smeshnoymatvey2054 Keto/Low carb isn't really a religion. Maybe for former diabetes, but most people that I know do it for weight loss purposes. I did Low Carb (keto with fruit and veggies) and lost 69 lbs. And I was never ever hungry, which was amazing. My life change is dropping crap ingredients as much as possible and dropping sugar, except for a weekly dessert.

[@bluemuscle2]

Constipation and headaches are not minor side effects they are clues your body is giving u that something is wrong

[@NoOne-uh9vu]

Yes the soyence is wrong. Campell has no arguments and all his data is flawed assertions. This man is a living farce.

[@efthimios1917]

@@NoOne-uh9vu You get constipation and headaches on the paleo diet, not the vegan one...

[@adamv4951]

@@efthimios1917 I've been doing keto for 6 months. Lost 70 pounds, reversed my diabetes and stage 2 hypertension down to normal. I NEVER have constipation and am very regular.

[@efthimios1917]

@@adamv4951 You've done a glucose tolerance test?

[@Bee_Bill287]

Adam Vance just because it worked doesn’t mean long term it’s correct, the keto diet is not natural state for a human. Long term you will get liver disease and kidney disease I see it all the time in the hospitals. People on keto coming in with pickled livers like an alcoholic...

[@debmcgavin8381]

7 months ago I started a plant based diet and since then I have not had 1 migraine. Got rid of the medication as well. I also suffered from Psoriasis for 27 years and I am completely clear. I know there are skeptics out there and that is perfectly fine, however it has worked for me - it is no joke.

[@savedbygrace1582]

A carbohydrate addict is not addicted to whole vegetables, fruits, grains, and legumes. I'm a carbohydrate addict too. I successfully broke this addiction by going to a whole food, plant based, sugar free, oil free, salt free diet. A carbohydrate addict is addicted to processed foods. For the first time in my life, i feel empowered over my eating. When my eating disorder rears its ugly head, I feast/gorge on WFPD SOS Free foods, and in the process, still losing weight.

[@smeshnoymatvey2054]

I love beans and pumpkins but I never crave them like I used to crave Pizza late night. Natural carbs are food, refined carbs are industrial chemicals not food.

[@ginnysims2927]

Dr. Campbell, I applaud you

[@abhikaanshrana8216]

Can i eat meat once in week.dr said he doesn't believe in vegan.

[@memberberry8455]

A friend of mine got breast cancer, went vegan, alot of parsley and the cancer dissapeared.

[@margaretlim9180]

God bless! And thanks God for.plant based.

[@user-dp4bu8jy4b]

@Glen M Meat is a class one carcinogen

[@zackisherep9246]

@Glen M Funny you have to actually desperately try to deny the world health organization. Tell you what buddy; if you find a meat based or omnivore doctor who can magically cure cancer as well as all modern disease, report back to me and I'll actually consider your position. Sounds fair enough if those dietary choices are actually optimal for you right?

[@roboppers]

Glen M nice that you are willing to “bet” but there is so much evidence / research about it that betting is not needed. Meat and dairy is not healthy. Problem with humans is that most never want to hear bad news about their habits.

[@toni4729]

@@user-dp4bu8jy4b Explain that to the people that never got it a hundred years ago. Sugar and junk food causes cancer.

[@therealfinnaspring8585]

They were for the most part polite to one another. Passionate sure but not nasty. I appreciate that.

[@meman6964]

If only the people who comment handled themselves so graciously. Lots of nastiness from trolls 😰

[@BlueAngeluv]

The counter argument only adressed processed carbs and sugar, which was denounced at the beginning. Fiber is the main key to the health of the gut, slows blood sugar delivery, normalizes digestion and stabilizes weight. Was hoping he would counter with that, but still great info.

[@markelbas]

And not only fiber, but polysaccharides natural in fruits are themselves harder to break down than processed glucose.

[@cornstar1253]

​@@markelbas nonsense

[@theoldleafybeard]

@@cornstar1253 more complex molecules are harder to break down than simpler ones. It actually makes total sense, LOL.

[@demoskunk]

Fiber is totally unnecessary.

[@saelinakim2825]

The guy who is for protein diet does not know how to make arguments other than saying "prove it" He really does not know what he is talking about because his response does not make sense.

[@WorkingDemo]

I am going back on a plant based diet and can’t wait to share my results!

[@BibleSamurai]

howd it go?

[@larryputra3692]

@@BibleSamurai he got more fatter

[@WowzaGuy]

How was it? We are curious

[@norman-gregory]

Awiat your results? 12 months is plenty of time!

[@danilodesnica3821]

Well? Did you stick to it? What were the results?

[@pennyhull1101]

I know that cancer will grow from eating meat and dairy. My mom had cancer at the same time as my uncle. They both had the same cancer. Mom stopped eating meat for 6 months and the cancer was gone. My uncle kept eating the meat along with his normal diet. We buried him at the end of the same 6 month period. So you decide

[@imyourtrance5537]

did u see or weigh the amount of carbs sugar grains they ate?

[@LTPottenger]

Or they could have fasted one week a year and neither would ever get cancer. Much more effective than vegan diet.

[@debbiedebbie9473]

@@LTPottenger Where did you learn this ? I want to read more about it.

[@congangbannuocgietdan1410]

That is just an observation. How did you know for sure that meat was causing the cancer in your uncle? What about his other food intakes, drinks?

[@LTPottenger]

@@congangbannuocgietdan1410 That's what their vegan propaganda says, but animal fat is the least hard on your system and the most easily turned into energy unlike carbs which essentially poison the human body when taken in anything but the small quantities we would have found them in nature.

[@JCLove303]

I suffered all my life from IBS, skin allergies and stomach problems. The only thing that cured me after years of visiting dozens of doctors and trying all kinds of different medicines was a plant based diet. God bless all the doctors like Dr. Campbell, that educate and help people to restore their health. ❤️🙏

[@ID-qd1qk]

100% !!!! Plant based is the only way. Why eat dead animal flesh that was previously contained, tortured, and murdered. Vegan for health, animals, and Planet. 🌱👍🤗😀

[@KJB0001]

Jenny, I also suffered from IBS, psoriasis, seasonal allergies, and Crohn's until I became a Clean Carnivore. I eat grass fed/finished beef, organ meats from elk, novel poultry.

[@KJB0001]

@@sherril.562 Kelly Hogan has been Carni for years and her labs are fine. As have many others. Stopping carbs is the only thing that kills carb cravings. Being Keto Adapted stops carb cravings and hunger.

[@KJB0001]

@@sherril.562 china study?! It was Debunked, long ago. LOL! Steve Jobs who died from pancreatic cancer (insulin-fructose-pancreas) was a Fruitarian. Ashton Kutcher who played Jobs in the movie was hospitalized for eating tons of fruit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmTOfHadZbZ2nLc

[@KJB0001]

@@sherril.562 you can't look younger without all the amino acids and COLLAGEN daily. All I ever hear is how young I look and people are gobsmacked when I tell them my age. Skin needs real protein. I've been on Phinney/Atkins since 2011 and still run Ultramarathons, so. In my life when my health was at its worst, I was a vegetarian. Ignorant and malnourished with leaky gut issues because of all the plant matter. You'll see the light eventually... keep reading the CURRENT science.

[@marayoung]

Excellent job Dr Campbell, you have the truth!!! For the other dr, once he mentioned that he prescribes magnesium milk to his patients, that was it for me. Dr Campbell won this debate!

[@kristopolos1]

@Lewis Blanchard No, but all the areas on the globe with exceptionally many centenarians, the blue zones, have populations with diets containing lots of plant foods, and very little animal products. Very close to vegan diets. The inuits, are not very healthy and does not live very long.

[@brianodental1634]

@@kristopolos1 vegetarian is not vegan. veganism can only be maintained with modern science.

[@angryahole]

@@kristopolos1 so they eat meat and cook with animal fat. Thanks.

[@zackisherep9246]

@@brianodental1634 Not an excuse to ignore the clear benefits to wfpb diet.

[@zackisherep9246]

@A Cowart Life That makes no sense. Just buy some foods for magnesium classified in the plant based diet which is far cheaper, not isolated to one nutrient but instead holds many nutrients as well as antioxidants and phytochemicals and carbs and fiber and so on, and overall a much more effective option.

[@rob2848]

As long as it's low carb, it doesn't really matter whether its plant based or meat based. Keep the carbs low, cut sugar and let your mood determines whether its meat, vegetables or a mix of both. Cheers

[@spudluver47]

Wow, looks like the real expert hid himself in the comments. Why even listen to these “phds” and “mds”, I’ll just read a comment by someone with low verbal comprehension and a short attention span in the comments.

[@rob2848]

@@spudluver47 I know because I am a patient who is nearly destroyed by the doctors' prescription. Have you taken your meds yet?

[@jacobrye3949]

Lol I don’t even have to watch this video to know who won

[@KJB0001]

Campbell cherry picked his stats kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2TdcoSAqal8ptE

[@jlushefski]

Your comment demonstrates perfectly what is wrong with debate today...zero knowledge, zero objectivity, zero critically thinking skills. If someone is looking to learn, why should he/she care about the opinions on the debate winner from stupid herd animals?

[@doletawood5061]

Baked potatoes are filling and satisfying. People who yell "Carbs! Carbs! " (the scientific name is starch) pile on butter, sour cream, and cheese, then blame the innocent potato when they get fat!

[@gwynedd1]

Whats so hard to understand. Eating fat while eating carbohydrate blocks fatty acid oxidation and causes all dietary fat to be stored as fat. No don't blame the potato. Blame the person eating a potato when they are eating fat.

[@emh8861]

Blame the one that eats too much.

[@LTPottenger]

The problem with carbs today is the processing, mashed potatoes is a big problem while a baked potato with butter and sour cream is not. And lots of fructose causes insulin sensitivity which is always a problem.

[@toni4729]

The scientific name is sugar. Sugar. or Glucose not starch. Get your facts right.

[@madnezz1961]

ive lost 35 lbs in 50 days eating a 100% whole food plant based diet with no oil or sugar. Ive done keto and felt horrible, I did lose weight but all the issues are not healthy

[@Marcelestevescorradi]

That's interesting man. I've come from high protein diet, and see that after I started eating rice and beans more frequently, it becomes a bit easier to lose weight. I didn't cut all protein yet, but that keto diet made me feel with low energy and I didn't have much motivation to workout. Going back eating more plant based and natural, I started to feel more energized. Anyways, when I eat processed or bad types of sugar it literally difficults my weight loss. Gonna keep that plant based diet for some time and checkmy progress over that. It seems pretty good!

[@KJB0001]

correlation does not imply causation. I've lost so much body fat, retained muscle mass via my annual DEXA scans, and stayed at 10% body fat for since 2011 by also not eating any sweetener or Industrial Seed Oil... but I'm a CAFO FREE Carnivore. I felt horrible eating little plant toxins and my skin looked OLD and saggy, droopy. Now, people comment on how fresh and glowy I look!!! Plus I have arm muscles that I never had when I was a 'clean vegetarian'. Maybe it was all that nasty soy I was eating. Estrogenic foods make ya look pregnant... even men get boobs!

[@willy4170]

@@KJB0001 actually soy products are present everywhere as food additives, so you are still eating a lot of them… and the thing that soy makes men grow boobs is bullshit, the only reason man grow boobs is because they are fat

[@psychohist]

@@willy4170 There are no soy products in beef, most bacon, wild caught fish, etc. The animals do eat soy, but after digestion and processing into animal tissue, the soy issues are gone. It's not like mercury, which persists and concentrates in the food chain.

[@DavidBrown-jk2pm]

We now know the secret is to eat a high fat diet, zero carbs, and ONLY enough protein to keep the body intact and functioning. The body appears to be designed to subsist on fats for energy (and making brain, nerve, cell membranes), proteins and minerals for structure (including enzymes). The fact that we have molars does not mean we were evolved to chew on carbohydrates. People chew on meat with their molars too. The fact that we can't make ascorbic acid from glucose doesn't mean we aren't basically carnivore. The fact that we need a lot of Omega 3 and cannot really make it ourselves again indicates we are carnivore. Fish, grass eating animals seem to be our basic diet. Organ meats of wild animals. Nowhere are exogenous carbohydrates indicated. In fact, in the case of vitamin C, glucose competes with it in absorption. There is no evidence that the body evolved to live on glucose, and plenty of evidence it is a ketone using body.

[@roligue]

I'm on a plant based diet and it seems that every time I eat meat of any kind I just want to sleep after eating and feel sick..as well as my entire body becomes inflamed but when I eat more of a McDougall diet none of this happens.

[@congangbannuocgietdan1410]

Great, keep doing whatever works for you . I know people who thrive on animal sourced foods and had many issues with plant foods. Human bodies are just different. There is no one single solution for every body.

[@babzanderson1527]

@@congangbannuocgietdan1410 humans are humans nobody thrives on meat based diets for long we are not carnivores in any way

[@youngkevinsmith]

Interesting. I can eat a load of potatoes and feel tired. I'm a wfpb eater at the min.

[@kape2377]

How does one know the body is inflamed? What are the symptoms of that? Never understood that. I havent seen anyone really adressing that either.

[@roligue]

@@kape2377 inflammation is just what it sounds like..,the joints feel like they're on fire

[@jenniferjerome3789]

Whole food plant based won this discussion

[@jamesmcbeth4463]

Easily

[@JustAnotherVegan]

At the end of the study "Protein, weight management, and satiety," co-authored by Eric Westman, it says "DP-J, EW, RDM, RRW, AA, and MW-P have received compensation for speaking/consulting engagements with The Beef Checkoff through the National Cattlemen's Beef Association."

[@kin.9133]

Going WFPB has changed every aspect of my life.

[@larryputra3692]

it makes sense if you been eating garbage,idiot.

[@omgyminternational2845]

Mr Westman is using people's lack of knowledge about how it all works to his advantage. When he states that carbs are not necessary, he is misleading you. Glucose is what's necessary to fuel us, and it's so necessary that the body has intelligently figured out how to turn ANY of the primary macronutrients into it. Carbs happen to be the most efficient for conversion, a strong indicator that carbs are our natural food source (along with many, many other strong indicators). Additionally, if you look at the studies he refers to, many have been funded by interested industry, and quite honestly, should not be allowed to be published due to conflict of interest. He also talks about the total quantity of sugar in the blood, and states that 100 grams of carbohydrates in a day would far exceed the amount of glucose that could safely be in the blood, again, playing off of people's lack of understanding on the matter. When the water and fiber is present with the carbohydrates (ie whole food), there is a slow release into the bloodstream. If your insulin and and insulin receptors are working properly (which they most likely are if you're on a low fat diet, and therefore not clogging your insulin receptors) then that glucose in the bloods stream would be getting delivered to all the places where you'd want it, like the brain and muscles. He seems to be implying that it would all just accumulate in the blood stream and cause a glucose overload (certainly a possibility with refined carbohydrates, but not with whole foods). I personally was part of the big low carb experiment about 20 years ago (following Atkins!) before I spent years learning anatomy and physiology. I became ill within two months with inflammation of the kidneys, and going vegan immediately started reversing it. A lot of people became ill at that time as Atkins was the fad diet then, although the reality is that correlation does not prove causation, and therefore the debate continues, despite the obviousness of the results. It's so sad to see people like this gentleman intentionally misleading others for fame and fortune. My experience is what lead me to learn as much as possible on the subject. Learn from my mistake please. Dr Campbell is a doctor with integrity, listen to him. Forks over Knives offers a great synopsis of his work.

[@unafrade]

OmGym® International not to mention the combination of protein and fat causes an insulin response which he fails to mention. Beef is causes the body to release more insulin than pasta !

[@Seansousa757]

OmGym® International he is not misleading! Dietary carbohydrates are absolutely not needed. If you want to talk about nonsense, all of the “research” that Campbell presented was anecdotal at best.

[@johnnguyen7171]

Yes, Glen M, it is THAT important, that the body has learned to make its own glucose for functions. If the body doesn’t need carbohydrates, then the gluconeogenesis pathway would not have evolved.

[@garrypags6960]

I am with you.

[@hannanowak9843]

Glen M is this why the sailors in the 1800’s that were spending months at sea with no fresh fruit were dying of scurvy because they were lacking essential fatty acids . Or maybe they were lacking the essential Vitamin C . Next time they came better prepared with some essential lemons on the ship .

[@neihuslim]

Hey, didn't Sherry Ellis do a marvelous job of moderating these two combatants? Light and smooth. I'm impressed.

[@livehealthyfinishstrong]

Thanks for this! My life has been transformed by this sort of information. I am turning 65 and for the past 2 years I have combined LOW CARB (Keto) with Intermittent Fasting, lost 82 lbs., came off ALL MEDICATIONS (2 for hypertension, one for high cholesterol and gave up my CPAP for sleep apnea). I am Loving life! I started my own KZbin channel “Bill C Thompson - Live Healthy, Finish Strong

[@ramyaan2476]

What a debate Moderators doing their job well Debaters stuck to the time allotted No ego bashing or displaying No emotions Just science Loved it

[@joeltreadwell3333]

Dr. Westman made a very compelling argument for the benefits of lowering your insulin to help with weight loss and the fight against cancer.

[@toni4729]

The only thing that cuts the risk of cancer is cutting the sugar intake and keeping it down. Until the slave trade we never consumed that rotten stuff and it doesn't belong in our diet let alone in everything on the supermarket shelves and yet there it is. This is why cancer is so prevalent. It is now yet another chemical in our food and cancer feeds on it alone.

[@evelynesitoya6446]

My belly fat is so stubborn that I tried the ketogenic diet, saw some results but felt terrible. The Agoge diet on the other hand I saw the same results but felt great.

[@psychohist]

Keto feels terrible for the first week. If you can get past that staying keto, it then feels great. There isn't any really easy way to lose fat.

[@user-zy3nv1jy1m]

The fat you eat is the fat you wear

[@EricS0072]

@@psychohist "it feels great" but numerous studies show that the low carb (keto) diet has dramatically higher all cause mortality, ie death from all causes. wonderful, eat your chicken!

[@BlueAngeluv]

@@psychohist You can lose it more easily by not combining starch with fats, but there is a clearly healthier choice of how.

[@denniscoen8175]

One must enjoy bathing in fats and meat to adopt Keto diet. Not exactly appetizing for a lot of folks.

[@dmosey870]

Notice how Dr. Westman starts off his presentation by saying he was a carb addict. This just proves the whole misconception that leads to these "carbs are bad so avoid them at all cost" diets where people associate refined sugar and gain as being the holy grail of what carbs represent. What complete nonsense! My guess is he wasn't addicted to anything found in a whole food plant based diet. The issue really comes down to fiber. Our body needs it for proper digestion, and refined carbs and animals products are essentially devoid of it. Follow the fiber and it will lead you to the proper whole foods we are designed to eat - fruits, veggies, beans, etc.

[@infiniteworlds5]

The issue really can't come down to one thing. The human body is just far too complex for that.

[@dmosey870]

Agreed, but eating the wrong food day in and day out for many years becomes a pretty big issue after awhile. The body is incredibly complex, but still requires proper fuel and nutrition to function optimally. The body is also pretty resilient which is why we are able to eat the wrong foods for even as long as we are without any immediate noticeable negative effects.

[@infiniteworlds5]

True that. I think why low-carb people talk about the dangers of carbs is because most people are consuming theirs in the form of soda, donuts, pizza pockets and such. If they were eating most of their carbs as beans, rice, whole grains, potatoes etc....well then there wouldn't be any issue.

[@TB1M1]

The problem is low carb while curing T2D through fasting will make you more and more insulin resistant. So if you change your mind and add carbs back you will develop extreme diabetes.

[@chrisnamaste3572]

TB1M1 I started developing metabolic syndrome and corrected it with WFPB.

[@PeterTrainer]

T. Colin Campbell Thank you for your honesty and research 🙏forward 10 years And look where we are

[@margaretlim9180]

I love Dr Campbell and his good friend Dr Esselstyn. Also Dr Greger.

[@fender1000100]

I love them all and owe them and Dr John Mcdougall my life. Had I not converted to a starch based plant food diet. I would have been dead 10 years ago. Today I1 years later. I thrive not just survive. It's not just living a long life. It's the QUALITY of that life. Alot of people in care homes make 100. But somebody else is wiping their backside. As young as 70. And what put most of them there. Is a lifetime of meat and dairy and processed garbage.

[@takeoffyourblinkers]

@@fender1000100 Emphasis on the processed garbage. Since its inception the health of the human population has plummeted. This is why every thriving tribe or community that had not been introduced to western food, get the same diseases once it is introduced. It isn't the meat and dairy per sa, it is everything else around it that has been highly processed. Mind you they have done some funky shit to some meats and dairy out there, especially in the states. There is zero proof that meat and saturated fat cause any chronic disease. Not from a lack of trying for 70 years either... I am glad what you do is working for you, but please don't spread the vegan propaganda you learned from the likes of McDougall and Co.

[@takeoffyourblinkers]

@El Jay Nah, there was a new comer in the fat realm, about 100 years ago, just before all the shit hit the fan. Also Meat and animal fat never was an issue before all of this either, for 1000s and 1000s of years. hmmm. We have also never eaten so many carbs, especially shit ones ever in history. Connect the dots...

[@jasonsalazar9263]

Don’t forget Dr John McDougall aka Dr Potato 🥔

[@jasonsalazar9263]

Love ❤️ Dr 🥔!!

[@junfrias9188]

Mr. West, ketones are just back up fuel for our bodies.Yes, it might be helpful for us, biologically, one time or another to resort to it. But youd rather advice prople to eat healthy and burn those clean plant based carbs, its the way nature has intended.Dont advice people to risk their health, eating on fried foods like bacon and eggs, and go on a diet that has little or no scientific backup like keto...

[@roligue]

Dr Campbell was the only one that sounded like he has a science background the other guy sounded like he was reading for a television ad....wfpb is now my new lifestyle and I will start Dr Campbell's classes for a proper education..... Thanks for helping me make the change over

[@lindawalker30]

Agreed!

[@pieroachique3202]

Not certain about the points made but ,if anyone else trying to find out how the atkins diet plan works try Voneyton Uncontrollable Progression (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now ) ? Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my buddy got amazing results with it.

[@anir8023]

Bullcrap, somehow he decided to “forget” some parts of China where people loved even longer than the ones he mentioned in book by eating gosh and pork

[@roligue]

@@anir8023 unless you were in China at the same time as Dr Campbell doing the research or..in the laboratory ..you don't know what you are talking about which makes your opinion useless

[@stevehughes275]

Exept fast forward today the evidence is moving towards low carb and increasing in popularity. We spent hundreds of thousands of years chasing meat not lettuces

[@saliari2]

I definitely vote for China Study. Thanks for sharing! This was an informative and a decent debate. I believe in Dr Campbell and his research approach (minor note: I am a professor and conduct research on a daily basis).

[@dewdusky2915]

At 38 mins Westman cites the DIRECT study as proof that a high fat diet is not bad for your arteries, but fails to mention that the high fat group "...were counseled to choose vegetarian sources of fat and protein and to avoid trans fat...". If he had integrity he would have said that high fat is fine if it is from plant sources.

[@infiniteworlds5]

High fat is fine either way.

[@neihuslim]

At 57:30 Westman says that he regrets that he did not withhold enough truth. Integrity problems?

[@infiniteworlds5]

I really couldn't care less what one guy says. Science backs it.

[@pikep.6420]

Over the course of time the Inuit DNA has adapted to handle that specific diet or otherwise they wouldn't have survived. I bet that both parties of this debate would agree on that. A thousand Joes and Janes from the western world on that specific diet for ten years - now that would be a helluva study to observe!

[@naturallyfruitful879]

In reference to your claim that there is no ‘vegan civilization’-please look into the blue zones of the world, particularly the Loma Linda, Seventh Day Adventists. The less we consume animal products, the less we burden the systems of the body, and the more longevity and vitality we will experience. I understand that some have tried and failed to adhere to whole food plant based diets, but often it’s a combination of poor execution and/or fear of detoxing symptoms. All of the toxins and waste that have accumulated throughout ones’ life do not disappear in an instant.

[@GarrettHoyos]

This is a terrific video. Thank you

[@alanwhitham6429]

One thing I don't get . What's the use in feeding caseins to rabbits ? Rabbits are vegetarian , of course animal protein makes them ill . Isn't that like feeding a tiger on vegetables and then saying the tigers death proves veggie diets are bad ?

[@LIFE0530]

Food - How it affects you - Barbara O'Neill--low carb saved my life!

[@billbooth1592]

Dr.Westman mentioned Arnold Schwarzenegger in his favour for complimenting Keto diet. Arnold is now WFPB vegan. In his own words, at 72 one becomes wiser. Hopefully at 72, Dr.Westman will also "become wiser" & change his views (!)

[@laramccully3272]

This makes Dr. Campbell look like a super star. When you meet people in real life, those who are Keto and those who are plant based, your eyes will tell you which is so obviously better. I’ve done both diets. The reason Keto works once someone has Cancer is because it mimics fasting. Plant-based whole-foods will prevent the cancer in the first place.

[@undergrace1808]

Good point

[@sandray7609]

Whole plants reverse disease too...phytonutrients and antioxidants help kill cancer cells. Even if it doesn't eliminate cancer, it's not fueling the growth like meat eggs and dairy

[@BearsEatBeetz]

Exactly… just look at who looks healthier its a huge tell. Whole food plant based people look much better.

[@cornstar1253]

Then why does Campbell look malnourished?

[@cornstar1253]

@@BearsEatBeetz no way

[@JoinByron]

In my opinion, the Adkins diet doctor only proved the Whole plant-based diets point. Many studies found Dr. Collins diet works at any level. The other Doctor has to many but don't eat these starches and reduce meat. Plant based says eat what you want and as much as you want. Great job on both their presentations but for me the plant-based Dr. wins!!!!

[@larryputra3692]

eat what you want! and get diabetes ! yay!

[@fearnobodyandtrustnoone]

The fact is simple - SUGAR is a 'sweet poison'!

[@terrifictomm]

I juiced cruciferous vegetables, which are very low in carbs, for a while with no fruit because I’m diabetic, but i also continued to eat breads and pasta, and potatoes because I love them! My. Fasting blood sugar levels after taking 60-70 units of slow release insulin at bedtime, were always around but above 130. I also took straight insulin after every meal and always needed more if the meal contained carbs. Usually a lot more. Eating carnivore my fasting blood sugar taking NO insulin is around 160 and stays between 130-170 all day. Given all of the dangerous side effects of high insulin, which I was NEVER warned about, beyond being unable to lose weight or keep it off when I did, I believe high insulin is a greater health threat to me these days than a consistent blood sugar level of 160. That’s converts to an a1C of approximately 7.5. Taking up to 200 units of insulin a day, while eating carbs, my a1C was between 6.1-6.7. Eating carnivore my insulin intake is less than 10-20 units, and sometimes none, a day and an a1C of 7.5. I’m sticking with carnivore for another month and we’ll see what happens.

[@erastvandoren]

You lose most nutrients through juicing. Why not just eat them?

[@__-zr6ry]

Bacon is a highly processed food. Later he says you should avoid processed food? Processed food is OK if its animal based? If he wanted to be taken seriously he would have said grass feed beef or something. Why does he recommend bacon?

[@kinky_Z]

Because there is NO EVIDENCE of smoked or cured meats being harmful. We've been doing it for thousands of years. Seems that if it were harmful, they'd actually come up with a randomized controlled trial to prove it. Don't you think?

[@zackisherep9246]

@@kinky_Z That's appealing to nature. And those people who ate heavily meat based likely didn't live past 40 without serious health problems or dying, nevermind smoking or curing meat.

[@toni4729]

Bacon has been PROCESSED if you want to call it that for thousands of years, before refrigeration. What's wrong with that? That's how we kept meat from rotting.

[@toni4729]

@@__-zr6ry I'll tell you something about cancer that you may not know. This is a fact. Cancer cannot live on oxygen but it feeds on glucose. So the best thing you can do if you don't want to die from cancer is to give up sugar, all sugar. The liver makes all the glucose your body requires. "Robert Lustig; The Bitter Truth."

[@toni4729]

@@__-zr6ry I'm nearly 69 and I don't consume any sugars. I live an almost completely carnivore diet and have done for nearly forty years and it hasn't killed me yet. I think I'll live another twenty year for sure so Dr. David Sinclair can stick his theory. You do realize of course that meat got us out of the trees millions of years ago. No human being has ever been vegan so why do you believe there will ever be one?

[@tonyh.anderson2658]

I believe it was a good entertaining discussion but not a good debate in my view Dr. Campbell won the debate and was not even challenged, I am not a vegetarian and have done Keto and it worked temporarily and issues did come about I am now plant based Whole Foods advocate, that will eat fish and chicken on occasions, and even still eating without oils, meat, nuts and sugar 90% of the time has made me more energetic and thinner.

[@IPeteeeeerr]

Awesome. Thanks a lot!

[@mistymoor7114]

Hunter gatherer means they GATHERED! Fruits and vegetables, tubers and nuts and berries and even corn and oats, does not mean they only ate meat !

[@JohnCamery]

Ketons fuel the growth of certain types of cancer and can be extremely dangerous for people having such a cancer.

[@katzensindweich3505]

correct

[@toni4729]

Sugar fuels cancer and cancers feed on sugars.

[@toni4729]

Utter bull. Ketones. You don't even know what ketones are. If you did you would change your mind.

[@soylentgreenb]

And some cancers use glucose almost exclusively.

[@soylentgreenb]

Cancers are different, they use different fuels. There is not A cancer; there are many.

[@tom474e]

In the US we eat meat and dairy products and we have high rates of cancer and heart disease.

[@waynebullock6676]

We also eat high amounts of sugar and carbs and clearly making people sick. Maybe we just eat too much period!

[@jules_logan4305]

Wayne Bullock Carbs and sugar don’t clog arteries like animal fat does

[@zackisherep9246]

@Lewis Blanchard And the future is approaching; the plant based approach is making the comeback of the century, perhaps one that should have been done long ago, but this is America after all.

[@MrBilld75]

That's from processed plant slop, fool, NOT meat and animal products. That is totally debunked. In fact, there are heart protective things in them and anti Cancer ones too, just like plants. Go educate yourself amateur. Vegans and Vegetarians have 20% more strokes in studies, 39% more clon Cancer and 2-3 times more mental illness. Worse bones health, by 43%, way worse dental health, any Dentist can confirm that, as well as studies. They iton is so inferior, that over 27 studies have shown how badly they fail. The Zinc in animal products is 10x more powerful, better amino acids, better Omega-3, better vitamin A, it's no contest. It is well proven that meat is no more of a Cancer causer than aloe vera, lol. It's literally in the same carcinogen category, hahahahaha. nationalpost.com/health/diet-fitness/no-beef-isnt-bad-for-you-scientists-conclude-there-is-no-need-to-eat-less-red-or-processed-meat#:~:text=Overall%2C%20the%2014%2Dmember%20panel,of%20modifying%20cultural%20and%20personal www.bbc.com/news/health-49579820#:~:text=The%20pescatarians%20were%20found%20to,20%25%20higher%20risk%20of%20stroke. torontosun.com/news/world/study-links-vegetarian-and-veganism-diets-to-increased-likelihood-of-depression www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142427#1

[@juliehitchen]

In the intervening 9 years perhaps it would be interesting to hear Dr Neal Barnard explain the build up of animal fats in cells and the consequent buildup of build-up of sugars as the cause of type 2 diabetes. Even more interesting would have been the argument against it.

[@wadayaduin5517]

1:16:16.Westman says: "Prove it!"??? Prove what? The so-called "low"-fat diet had ADMITTEDLY much higher fat, protein, and animal based food, thus COMPLETELY different than what Campbell recommends.

[@david522]

Dr. Westman is a fraud

[@joakimgranlund]

Then it's not low fat...

[@wadayaduin5517]

@@joakimgranlund Exactly. When most so-called “experts” say low-fat, they mean low-ER than the typical SAD,. It might be an improvement, but’s not therapeutic. Truly low-fat is perceived by such parties as NO fat. Indeed, 10%’s seems like no-fat compared to 30%.

[@elguille1313]

Sorry, but so many incorrect & questionable statements from Dr. Westman. Eat fat burn fat? Carbs spike insulin? A tsp. of potato is no different than a tsp. of sugar to your body's metabolism? "There is an art to it, but it can be done..." Talking about patients adhering to a Keto diet. Simple is usually better, eating a WFPB diet is VERY simple no "artistry" required. Just to name a few.

[@infiniteworlds5]

Keto diet is also very simple. Eat fresh veggies, eat fresh meats. Ta-da! I don't know why everyone insists on complicating things. I really wish they had chosen a better doctor to support the lchf side of this topic.

[@troyrussell3370]

@Lewis Blanchard If you go to the soil and get your own vegetables and do not sterilize them you'll get plenty of B12. Bugs, they make the B12. In the past we provided our own food, we didn't rely on the supermarket!

[@troyrussell3370]

@@infiniteworlds5 How many times have you or any of your friends or family ever salivated at the site of a dead animal on the side of the road or a cow that was standing in a field, then with an insatiable urge jumped the fence and bit the sucker on its neck killing it then eating it raw? We are not carnivores, he'll I bet you gag if you get a hair in your mouth!

[@infiniteworlds5]

@@troyrussell3370 No I haven't, because humans aren't savages. They recognise that animals are good for food, and so they eat them. Can you honestly tell me you've ever once ran out into a potato field, started digging madly at the soil, and then tore into a fresh raw potato, mud still dripping? No you say, that sounds ridiculous? Well so does your scenario.

[@sjr7822]

The expert on the potato, by his diet of just potatoes for one year is the sputfit youtube channel. Andrew had blood work done throughout the year showing improvement as the experiment continued

[@gyrate4]

Since Atkins was always fat, and since anyone following Atkins I've ever met was still fat, I'd say Atkins loses.

[@baconegger1450]

untrue. he died from slipping on ice outside, & falling. Did not have heart disease or heart attack.

[@Julottt]

He had heart diseases, diabetes and overweight, stop misinformations.

[@rodrocket562]

Atkins wasn't always fat, he was fat eating carbs, that why he come up with way of eating

[@DenisMorissetteJFK]

Who said he had a heart attack or heart disease???

[@pholzman2918]

Dr. Atkins had a cardiomyopathy (disease of the heart muscle, probably viral in origin) which caused congestive heart failure, He was never shown to have significant atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. The definitive treatment would have heart transplant, not coronary artery stenting or bypass. He fell on the ice and had a traumatic brain injury. The subsequent therapy with high dose prednisone (to reduce brain swelling) caused his weight to balloon in the final week before his death due to fluid accumulation, not fat. This is a common result in the treatment of traumatic brain injuries. His admission weight to the hospital was under 200 lbs.His death offers little to the discussion of the value of low carb diets. Just some observations from a retired Pathologist. PS Partial info from his autopsy was leaked to the press. Leaks to the press rarely reveal the whole story.

[@andrewstrasser]

I tried both. Plant based was better ONLY without salt oil sugar or refined food. Someone tell the keto guy to try it out and stop being so scared. I had to go against all my fears and I'm shedding weight A LOT faster than on keto and feeling amazing. Remember- no gluten free pasta!!! Whole plants only. Dairy messed be up big time on the Atkins and i did that on or off from twenty years!!!!

[@jonnyhonda]

Nice comment. Yea i went raw organic dairy. Its a con too. Even worse because of the higher fats in the milk

[@demoskunk]

You're shedding muscle because you're not getting enough amino acids, protein, or any heme iron, taurine, carnisine, or taurine from plants.

[@andrewstrasser]

I didn't shed muscle. I lost fat. When do gorillas (who don't eat beef, pork or chicken) shed muscle due to what you're saying? I eat lentils and seeds and greens, there's plenty of building blocks there for muscle development. Don't be afraid, it only blinds you

[@demoskunk]

@@andrewstrasser We're not hind gut fermenters, like gorillas. We don't have a huge secum to break down all that plant fiber. It shrunk and is now the appendix. Our whole gut shrunk to allow more energy to grow our big brain. A gorillas' digestive tract converts leaves into saturated fat and protein. We can't do that. We need to eat saturated fat from meat in order to feed our large brains. Even if we ate plants 14 hours a day, like gorilla do, we'd never get as muscular as them. And, if our ancestors didn't become hunters, we'd have never obtained enough fat to grow our large brains.

[@dmosey870]

HA! I love the comment about the 770 lb man that Dr Westman refers to. "He doesn't want to eat just vegetables". Yep, that's probably why he's 770 lbs, you genius!! When are people going to wake up and realize that the SAD is not a high carb diet just because people are eating a lot of pizza, wonder bread and pasta! It's the combination of bad carbs married to high fat intake via meat, cheese, fried foods, etc. Show me a study that links a plant based diet (which is not just veggies, btw) with chronic bad health. It can't be done.

[@TB1M1]

Exactly, 10-15 % fat of ANY source is not a problem but if you exceed this level of fat diseases go up. If you add fuel to the fire and consume lots of refined carbs its twice as bad, but the problem is neither fat nor carbs however if you consumed a diet ONLY based on fat there are hundreds of studys to say this degrades artery function. Best compromise is to eat high carb with nuts and seeds.

[@troyrussell3370]

As Doctor McDougal says billions of people around the Globe can't be denied, high starch plant based diet they are thin and healthy... The fat you eat is the fat you wear!

[@infiniteworlds5]

@@troyrussell3370 You know we have a digestive system that breaks down macronutrients into smaller micronutrients that our bodies can use? And that no, the fat you eat is NOT the same fat you 'wear', because your body is just far more complex than that.

[@J0lker]

@@troyrussell3370 Well, he's just wrong. Especially since it's insulin that drives the production of fat.

[@takeoffyourblinkers]

Darin Mohr "Show me a study that links a plant based diet (which is not just veggies, btw) with chronic bad health. It can't be done" I will raise you the same. Show me a study that proves meat and saturated fat (which isn't the SAD diet btw) have a causal link to any chronic disease. And I know you have many more studies to choose from.

[@SuperBookdragon]

The second speaker lost me when he said the carbs are not an essential macronutrient. So no phytonutrients needed ? The keto diet requires staying with in ketosis. Hard on the liver...

[@edudonar5153]

In short ,,,keep 🐇 n carrot in front of u after 3 days fast let u r senses say what to eat ...most important of all eat only when u r hungry .if u don’t know what true hunger means fast for 3 days u senses will tell u what it is...taste is best judge of what u have to eat n what not to...

[@ScurvyDoog]

Taste is best judge? Lmfao you are a special kind of somethin' aren't ya.

[@ScurvyDoog]

Guess I should just eat a shitload of Twinkies and Pizza since those are my 2 favorite things. No matter how hungry I am, I'd go for either...

[@melaniej.roberts206]

It seems like either side can produce peer-reviewed studies and medical proof that their side is right and the other side is unhealthy.

[@spudluver47]

That’s the problem- to the layperson the evidence seems to go both ways. My issues with keto are a) no longevity data, b) sky high cholesterol, c) they’re mechanistic, meaning their whole case is based on a few known chemical reactions. But each plant and animal contains thousands of chemicals, our gut contains thousands of species of microbes - we haven’t even scratched the surface of all of the interactions and permutations of different diets. All of the longest lived populations of humans are primarily whole-plant based. Atkins himself died young.

[@greenleafyman1028]

That's why Meta-analyses existed in order to know which sides that was mostly favored based from the results of numerous credible studies.

[@nowhereman9463]

Campbell, hands down.

[@DenisMorissetteJFK]

Just get rid of the food that makes you sick, tired, etc, and fast a lot.

[@PuganPoo]

Westman seems like a slick talker/Dr Cambell is more down to earth

[@rossfarrier5884]

exactly campell is rational and westman is more like a seedy salesman

[@TB1M1]

@Lewis BlanchardLong lived nations eat 90-95% plant based. Westman has to prove the inverse argument... which would take more than 100 yrs

[@melrosepark4463]

TB1M1 which long lived nation are talking about? If you are talking about Okinawa then let me tell you that Okinawans eat a lot of pork and seafoods.

[@user-up9vx9kd2j]

Yes the way he was speaking in the debate with his babying tone was so annoying and the sheep’s laughing in the background...

[@user-up9vx9kd2j]

Melrose Hahn traditional diet of Okinawa is not vegan, but is mostly plant based with minimal pork and seafood.

[@ID-qd1qk]

At your age you look amazing, Dr. Campbell!!! I wonder the way Dr. Westman will look like when he reaches your age….. if this ever happens….

[@debbieherrick9414]

He keeps referencing milk protien...bu milk protien called casein is full of lactose (milk sugar) that's a whole lot different then the protien from meat.

[@user-up9vx9kd2j]

Sustainable would be the whole food plant based for me. I was interested in ketogenic diet but it was too strict and have to watch carefully your macronutrients and carb intake. I find that many people into keto were in it for weight loss or body builders. Im looking for a lifestyle eating that is great for overall health and fuss free. Eating meat and high fats from oils will get you full fast and longer for people who IF but I often feel gross and sleepy.

[@boydmccollum692]

I know very few serious bodybuilders doing keto. Chicken and rice, yes, keto? No. People also do keto for health reasons beyond losing weight. And most people who talk about carbs are not talking plant based whole foods. They'll include pastas and breads and other refined carbs. Also they will get a ton of sugar that's added to almost everyone not whole food. Also, the debate is between a specific vegan diet and Atkins. Atkins is NOT keto. Keto is high fat, moderate protein, and low carb, but there's actually a lot of carbs like leafy vegetables, and things like cauliflower/broccoli, etc.

[@willy4170]

@@boydmccollum692 you know you can also eat bread and pasta made with whole wheat? If eaten whole with some vegetables, the sugar intake is not a problem with enough fibers

[@jamiechuang2628]

The key for me, having explored both in the pursuit of health is that if you stray from the whole food plants based diet (say a weeks vacation) you might put on a little weight. If you stray from Keto for a week you need to undergo a painful withdrawal period, a sickness, for at least a week. Life is for living. Personally I will fast if I want to lose some fat, and I will get into ketosis doing that in a short time and for a one of two days.

[@veronicablanchard3414]

@ab eat at my house?

[@psychohist]

@ab If all you want is weight gain and fat weight is fine, drink soda and other sugary liquids and not water. If you want muscle weight, paleo works, but you also need strength exercises.

[@gallectee6032]

The Womens Health Initiative "low fat" group only had 2 - 3% less saturated fat intake compared to the regular fat diet, and an increase of only around 2 grams of fiber (what foods contain carbohydrates but no fiber? definitely not whole plant foods...) which is why they found no benefits for the "low fat" diet. In total there was around 7 - 9% total fat intake difference, but if you look at the correlation Dr. Campbell presented with plant fat sources and cancer, plant sources did not correlate. So the few % points of reduction in poly and mono unsaturated fats as well, will not cause a massive benefit, so really it's mostly comparing 2 - 3% less saturated fat intake between groups and finding no significant benefit. I mean c'mon, you can't expect such small changes to be significant. I actually liked Dr. Westman before he used this point. But using that study to prove this point is so disingenuous imo...

[@carstenmuller8137]

Its the 80/20 rule. I learned a lot from the China study and changed my diet a lot, but I don't believe that its necessary to eat 100% vegan. I cut all processed foods and reduced animal foods to 1 time fish per week, 1 time meat and 1 time egg per week in average. No cow milk. My cholesterol is at 105 and my other blood values are perfect. So I have also my B12 , a bit more calories , protein. I don't see any health reason to be 100% vegan. But I see many reasons to reduce the animal foods and cut all processed foods and sodas of your diet.

[@gallectee6032]

@@carstenmuller8137 I think there are good reasons to be fully plant based and vegan. For example, one would be antibiotic resistant bacteria, another, is the presence of pathogenic viruses. These are not only personal health risks, but global health risks. While the case for veganism would be that to solely think of ones self (while disregarding others), is sociopathy. This sort of treatment is of a kind which you would not accept for yourself. Non human animals do not want to be mutilated, tortured and killed even once per week, as I'm sure neither do you. The video "meat eaters case for veganism" by CosmicSceptic displays the point in greater detail.

[@Bankai90]

@@carstenmuller8137 that's what I'm starting today. I went from low carb high animal protein to high carb vegan just to try after reading a ton of data. And I honestly hate it. It's way too much food and leaves me hungry eventho I'm eating everything fresh and with complex carbs. Some lean meat. 1 egg. Some fish. Some seafood. Some nuts. That's what I'll keep doing while just being very reasonable and aware of the rest. Just one slice of lean pork (let's say 100gr) to dinner won't kill me instantly. But hell it makes the food taste better and keeps me satiated. I just can't do beans and legumes only lol

[@FreedomNetwork99]

The point he was making specifically was about 'correlation' studies. As he said, correlation does NOT show causation. It's a useless study: it generates hypotheses. It does not test hypotheses. He was very clear. You missed the point.

[@angrycrypto465]

Dr. Campbell's biggest weakness is that he doesn't like to say REVERSE when saying how plants heal people when it comes to disease. Dr. Greger picked up the mantle and does say it, which is why it sells better, as it's the truth.

[@RawFitChris]

Westman stated that "those symptoms" (constipation, headaches, halitosis, muscle cramps, diarrhea, weakness, rash) "trivializes" the "work that we've done". What? NOBODY who actually experiences REAL health EVER gets ANY of those symptoms in decades (yes DECADES!) when they eat a proper diet. What the heck kind of "health benefits" is this guy talking about? WTF? I would LOVE to challenge this dr Westman and ANY doctor or nutritionist who prescribes a Paleo diet in an ACTUAL metabolic ward study for five years for a group of 20 people; ten on each side of the "debate". The "winners" who have ELIMINATED all chronic inflammation (see the above symptoms for a short list of the 100 symptoms that a proper mostly raw 100% whole food plant diet eliminates, including of course the major AND minor cold and flu suffering) get five million dollars. In fact I have had similar challenges such as this in the public domain for ten years and so far these people are all talk and no action. Sorry, but talk is cheap. Studies can be misleading and often are, and the public INCLUDING doctors, is extremely gullible.

[@demoskunk]

Lol, the vegan diet causes the worst health outcomes by far. You're such a brainwashed vegan.

[@jeffbushman3321]

Spoiler Alert: Campbell owns Westman

[@thalesnemo2841]

Jeff Bushman No Dr Westman won hands down!

[@selegnakomedagul1176]

@@thalesnemo2841 Hands down? Naahh, no way dude. Read the comment section and majority of the people is on Campbell's side.

[@kinky_Z]

You're almost correct - It was actually the other way around. Campbell's a quack. Westman's a scientist.

[@congangbannuocgietdan1410]

Campbell is a professor of nutrition biochemistry but he talked very little about the science and too much about the associational studies. Present the evidence and explain at the cellular level how animal foods cause cancer by proving with the mechanisms of how those molecules work in the mitochondria and the ECT.

[@ewamanikowska8598]

Thank You

[@LittleLu609]

Dr. Westman's diet: some pros, but has cons Dr. Campbell's diet: much more pros, has zero cons So Dr. Campbell is the winner in my eyes.

[@psychohist]

I consider getting fat on Campell's diet to be a con. Granted Campbell is shady enough to hide the cons.

[@howierobbery]

how come I don't see any comments saying eating meat made them healthy.... I tried looking for 1 comment, i found none... 🤔

[@katzensindweich3505]

yep

[@T-aka-T]

We don't bother because the tone here is wfpb bias. Why bother. Better to spend the effort critically analysing the science I stead of fighting n=1 anecdotes. My n=1 carnivore story beats your n=1 vegan story FOR ME. As yours does for you. So please don't be snide about "where are the keto people"?

[@linjicakonikon7666]

Go to any Carnivore diet comment section and you'll read hundreds of inspiring testimonials of the benefits of Meat only. Living in a bubble isn't living.

[@carolconlin4094]

On March 13, 2021, T. Colin Campbell turned 87. He still teaches, writes, travels & makes presentations. Robert Atkins passed away at 72 (after a fall) with a history of myorcardial infarction, congestive heart failure and hypertension. Whole Foods, Plant-Based wins the Day !!!

[@JohnSmith-gy4qj]

If I am alert like he is at 87 I'll be happy.

[@deborahward854]

He fell and hit his head on ice....Atkins did not die from heart disease. That is fake news.

[@regzara2365]

So very true Dr. Eric Westman....

[@ruyahoo8991]

How many buffalo were there in 1880? Year American bison 1870 5,500,000 Were there vegans in the 1700s? In the United States, there were small groups of Christian vegetarians in the 18th century. The best known of them was Ephrata Cloister in Pennsylvania, a religious community founded by Conrad Beissel in 1732. Benjamin Franklin became a vegetarian at the age of 16, but later on he reluctantly returned to meat eating.

[@undergrace1808]

So? They did what they did in those times, if they had to eat meat because of survival then good for them. That doesn’t justify it. Of course anyone Would eat it if it was a survival situation too. Today it’s unnecessary and farming practices are evil, not to mention the longest living ppl are not meat centered, then why would we eat it when we have options today, knowing what we know about how much healthier we could be eating plants. Ppl that eat meat eat it because they want to, they don’t what to change their ways, simple as that. Good luck with that.

[@supertotoro]

Lets say these two doctors research is at the same level. But no matter what, the wholefood vegan diet works without a doubt. If you add to that the affect on climate at meat based diet has, then just admit that vegan diet is the best. If no planet no one will be able to live any way.

[@thalesnemo2841]

supertotoro Nonsense! The LCHF diet has a large number of RCT studies which clearly shows that the majority of people benefit from it . Most people are carbohydrate intolerant. There is no carbohydrate deficiency disease. See the works of Dr Tim Noakes and see the Sweden’s two year review and the safety and benefits of a very low carbohydrate , high fat diet .

[@supertotoro]

Thales Nemo your response does not make sense. Basically what I said was that the vegan diet is much better for the environment and therefore it's the favourable diet if you take that into concern. That a vegan wholefood diet is healthy is no doubt and even if a diet high in animal fat is healthy still it will destroy our planet in the end so government should promote a vegan life style. Even though the LCHF science reminds me of anti-evolution "sceince" and such (I still don't know for sure what to believe so I'm trying to educate myself even further) I will check out the stuff you recommended me to see. I'm also swedish so the swedish study especially interest me. I never heard of people who can't eat carbs, but if there is a small percentage of that kind of people a high fat vegan diet might be an alternative or perhaps they have to be excused from a vegan diet. Does not mean that the vast majority that can eat carbs to eat a meat diet.

[@LTPottenger]

Yet no one sticks to it. Ironically ancel keys lived to 102 probably due to constantly eating at fancy restaurants while he gave his talks, and eating expensive (ie real) food instead of the processed crap full of sugar and vegetable oils that is killing everyone.

[@psychohist]

@@supertotoro Saying that vegan whole foods is healthy doesn't make it so. That's your error.

[@mobstemofficial943]

No diet is best and everyone is different a vegan diet didn't work for me and was alwayd sick and tired and ate everything i needed to eat on it. Went to a low carb high fat diet and i dropped alot of weight 130 pounds no longer hungry my confidence is up the roof and my mood is best then it has no longer depressed. Will never go back to just plants eating meat and thriving and lab works improved im just gald i am not 395 anymore and i am now 265 😄

[@spudluver47]

What did you eat on the vegan diet? How are your cholesterol numbers? “No diet is best” is a lazy cop-out. Evidence overwhelmingly supports some diets (Mediterranean, vegetarian, vegan, whole plant based) over others in long-lived populations. The evidence is completely one-sided. Carnivores die young.

[@sujitbaruah4536]

Human body is not a linear system but a very very complex non linear system . Ketogenic diet is based on a simple logic such as low carb high animal protein diet reduces insulin secretion into the bloodstream and helps in reducing weight and curing many lifestyle diseases is difficult to accept. I personally gave up meat eating 10 years ago and after having studied 'TheChina Study ' all other animal proteins in any form a few months back . I am 60+ now and completely free from all lifestyle diseases once I suffered .

[@larryputra3692]

keto is high protein? even atkin isnt that high in protein,because the required macros are almost the same as vegans who eat only protein from plants

[@erastvandoren]

There is nothing wrong with insulin, actually insulin deficit is more damaging than too much insulin. Insulin is required for lots of functions.

[@larryputra3692]

@@erastvandoren prediabetes

[@nickbardan3867]

​@@erastvandoren hyperinsulinism is the cause of all disease. Ever listened to Benjamin Bikman? He's much more educated in the human metabolism than Campbell

[@erastvandoren]

@@nickbardan3867 lol, no

[@vqfive]

This video is titled wrong is not Akins its Keto vs Raw Plant Base. Atkins and keto or two different things. Akin’s is high protein and Keto is high Fat..

[@Gkuljian]

Dr. Campbell comes back on at 46:40 and 1:06:50 :)

[@cornstar1253]

The guy looks terrible for his age.

[@sheilacollins9384]

A 25 year plant based diet ruined my health. So happy to find keto and carnivore. 5 years now and healing!

[@linjicakonikon7666]

AMEN. Chewing on cud is not for me.

[@misterE-1989]

The best diet for health is a diet based on beans, peas, grains, pasta and potatoes with fruits and vegetables and low amounts of dairy, meat, fish, oil, nuts, seeds, avocados, olives, sugar and processed-foods.

[@djokpitonthel2819]

It was mediterranean diet. Almost all centenarian population in this world use this diet. But no centenarian population in keto diet. All centenarian use carbs as main fuel, not from animal fat or animal protein.

[@luvlabso130]

I wonder how much special interest money Duke gets? Food industry Dairy industry meat industry? He has to promote those products! Watch Forks over knives. Look around obesity everywhere. Coincidence?

[@imyourtrance5537]

thanks Dr.westman, u opened up so many eyes on wrong believing

[@alexharrison9340]

Have you seen what he looks like lately? Dr Campbell hasn't hardly aged, Westman is now looking very much like Dr. Atkins did shortly before the end.

[@laymanlogic]

I see a lot of people here saying they felt awful when they tried keto. My wife also felt awful when she started meat base keto, I simply increased her electrolytes and it all went away. As for myself I had horrible fibromyalgia which lead to weight gain. Never was a junk food eater but love juice. I now call fruit my former drug of choice. After many years of suffering I found meat base keto after suffering with going plant base while fasting. I switched to only meat for a while and my fibromyalgia went away only after a couple weeks. I lost weight and now quickly rebuilding muscle doing less working out then before. I eat now a little vegetables just because I like them but I never feel as good. I used to go out of my way to get my drugs, always looking for a sell on fruit, or fruit juice, and fresh baked bread was my love. I can now walk passed them without the any desire for them. There is a reason vegetables and fruits only show up a short time out of the year...we don't suppose to eat them very often. Grow a garden and see how fast the food runs out and the amount of waste is unimaginable. Of course that's a different topic.

[@BearsEatBeetz]

You should probably read the other comments on this page. 99% of them disagree with your statement based on their experience with both diets.

[@laymanlogic]

@@BearsEatBeetz The problem here is people are making claims that go against human history. Their claim is that the diet pattern that humans been using for thousands of years is some how now causing problems. It goes against basic logic. Furthermore none of the people besides myself stated what type of keto/low carb they were doing. There is a plant base keto as well.

[@truckstopcowboytruckstopco5639]

@@BearsEatBeetz You mean the claims when you ask a question nobody answers? lol

[@autosustentableproposito9662]

Could you please include subtitles in spanish?? I'm really really interesting in taste all the favor of that chat.

[@greatpilatesnow]

Brave Dr Burg! So great