Atomos Ninja V+ in RAW HDR (what took me so long?)

[@GeraldBertramPhotography]

Glad to see you back! You and Philip Bloom are 2 of my go to channels when I want straight forward info about cameras and film making without all the hoopla!

[@extrashot]

Don't tell Philip that.... 🤣

[@andrewrice9383]

Oh so that’s why it looks so good, I’m watching in HDR 👍

[@EugeneMaynard]

Some things are just worth waiting for! Great to have you back Paul! You were missed!😎👍🏾🙏🏾

[@extrashot]

Thank you Eugene, nice to hear from you too!

[@markjob6354]

Thanks for the video. I have a few thoughts after two years spent working with my regular Ninja V. 1000 nits is a bright screen, but not really bright enough in bright sunlight. As someone who shoots a great deal of on location, nature time-lapse, I would like to see Atomos bring forth some screen improvements such as 2,000 nit screen brightness, true 10 bit screen color please (not simulated), actual Ultra HD 4K or DCI 4K resolution screen to help focus with 8K source cameras. Sometimes I need to see the extra detail I'm getting from higher resolution shoots please. The 4 in one switching attachment needs to be capable of Ultra HD 4K, since 4K is considered a broadcast delivery format these days. All in all, I'm very satisfied with my Ninja V. The only advantage I can see justifying the V+ is 8K resolution capture from higher resolution cameras. 8K resolution capture is becoming more and more needful as we progress.

[@extrashot]

All good points. In many ways, you're sort of describing the large Neon monitor with a recorder on the back! (Not sure the Sumo screen is good enough for what you want?). I'm sure it's doable but it might be a while before it drops to my price point!

[@RICKSPIXDP]

Delighted to see you! Thank you for the insightful video, incredibly helpful on many levels.

[@extrashot]

Glad it helps, thank you Rick

[@OgDj2024]

I have the Ninja V and it is a pretty amazing recording monitor. But, there was a learning curve, the settings are not user-friendly at all and you don’t realize all the accessories you need to buy just in order to use this equipment, because the accessories doesn’t come with the Ninja V. It was extremely frustrating and annoying to get over all the obstacles and the surprises, but if you can get past all that it is a pretty amazing piece of equipment to add to your workflow. I’m sure this ninja plus is a decent upgrade, but I can’t imagine all the headaches that would come along with this piece of equipment that no one would probably realize if they bought that without doing their research first

[@danmartland]

Great to have you back I’ve missed these videos… just need to bring back the podcasts

[@extrashot]

Cheers Dan... I'd like to. Still loving your work!

[@scottgmaclean]

Great to have you back Paul! Your channel and personal feedback haas helped me in the past. I agree about the Ninja menu system - it continues to be a little intimidating for a novice like me. I would love you to do a series on effective ways of developing fundamental camera skills if you feel so inclined! I am especially interested in knowing what are the camera functions that are essential when shooting versus the superfluous.

[@extrashot]

I've been thinking on similar lines for a while... I must start doing instead of thinking!

[@MarkBennettCameraCrisis]

Good to see you back!!

[@Michele.Sartor]

😃I'm glad you're back. Your videos are always informative and enjoyable.

[@RamasolaProductions]

Soo happy to see on my notifications a new upload from.... TADAAAHHH!! EXTRA SHOT!

[@extrashot]

Thank you... also good to hear from you again!

[@shootnlearn4290]

welcome back, you really made me think of getting an atomos ninja v+ and try it out

[@extrashot]

Hi Shootnlearn... it does shine if you've got a camera that'll output RAW... that was the key for me.

[@zmn.ridwan]

Oh...! Thank god You're alive ❤️

[@ANDRITHORMEDIA]

Great Video and good to see you back 😎

[@extrashot]

Thank you, good to be back!

[@skymakai]

I like the versatility of being able to use it as a switch. I'll have to wait a couple days to see what the video is supposed to look like. Probably best to schedule the release of the video a couple days after upload.

[@extrashot]

I think you're right... 3 days before making it public should cover it. I'll do that in future!

[@tasunderwood7371]

I used to get a delay in the shogun inferno and could add a 4 frame delay to the audio within the settings which helped with the lag

[@extrashot]

I've just noticed that Gerald Undone also suggested a 2 frame delay on the Ninja with a Sony A7something...

[@sofianeadjalvision8902]

Great video like always but why nobody is talking about that smooth transparent VFX???!!!!

[@extrashot]

I know... took me ages to work that out! 🤣

[@sofianeadjalvision8902]

@@extrashot hhhh I know , I know

[@JordyRocksZ]

I'm glad you'd back

[@extrashot]

Thank you 👍

[@TheOriginalRonaldo]

Hi mate, does is record 4k 120fps internally on the Sony A7S3?

[@stueff]

Gread video as usual! But KZbin doesn’t show me your video in HDR :-( (other HDR videos play correctly)

[@extrashot]

Yes... I ran a few tests before uploading and it can take anywhere between an hour or two days for KZbin to upload the HDR version. It still a black art to me but I'm confident it'll be there in a day or so!

[@stueff]

@@extrashot Thx for your reply. HDR is live now :-)

[@jaywbus]

your ahead of me. My ninja V has sat for 2 years or so. Just starting to us it! Got tired of trying to grad flat profiles. the ability of WB adjustments in RAW are night and day compared to a flat LOG profile.

[@kennyrobman7390]

Same here ! You just motivated me to try mine tomorrow 🤣

[@Filmmaker809]

You have been missed Paul! Great review. I own and use x2 Atomos Ninja V's. I film in Prores HQ.

[@extrashot]

wow.. big files!

[@Filmmaker809]

@@extrashot Yes, but when I'm filming a Feature film I need the best.

[@juliancroot]

My problem with HDR is simply the cost of changing everything on the computer side to work with it. Its still not worth it to me. I also find my Ninja V+ cooling fan to be annoyingly loud, so it doesn't get used much anyway. P.S. I always enjoy your videos and definitely noticed you were missing.... and I went looking. I actually wondered if the current KZbin algorithm had made you invisible.... it seams to have a habit of doing that to smaller channels at the moment.

[@extrashot]

Hi Picturedmedia, I must admit that the purchase of an M1 MacBook with XDR screen at the end of last year has sorted the computer problems I was having with HDR. Even so, I still didn't think it was worth the hassle until I started playing with 12bit from the Ninja. Have you updated the software on your Ninja V+? I seem to remember there was an update a few months ago which gave us greater control over the fan speeds. Mine makes a loud noise when I turn it on but settles to pretty much silence after that. Mind you, I wasn't using it over the recent heat wave... might have been different that week !!!

[@juliancroot]

@@extrashot yeah the M1 MacBook is good solution, I'm just not in a position to make any big purchases and I need to keep my current set up for audio production (which is becoming more of my primary activity anyway). Yeah I updated the v+ firmware a while back... I haven't found a fan speed control but now you've mentioned it I'll look for it. Thanks.

[@jonathankerr-smith8989]

With the multi cam switcher option do you get an XML file after you have recorded?

[@extrashot]

HI, No, I don't see an XML option. Your record choices appear to be 'clean' or 'programme' outputs only.

[@jonathankerr-smith8989]

@@extrashot thanks! That is a shame, I do a lot of corporate interviews and use 4 cameras, I would love a set up that compact but be able to get an XML of the edit straight away...like the Atem

[@christosmontes7222]

Change from 10bit to 8bit? I think I spotted one of the deliberate errors😄

[@extrashot]

You did. 🥴

[@willvazquez3218]

Great video. I think the biggest problem with using the ninja is the unbelievable latency on the HDMI out. So it’s really terrible when you are filming someone speaking and the lip synchronization. Very annoying and unusable for client monitoring. I mean of course when you send HDMI looping out of the ninja to another monitor, even wired there’s a delay. You put it on a Hollyland transmitter and it’s even worse.

[@extrashot]

Hi Will, Good point with the HDMI loop. I get a 3 frame (at 25fps) delay, just on the HDMI output of my FX9... and that's always the same whatever I put on the end of the cable. Presumably, an HDMI loop will add at least another 3 frames, possibly 6 if the second monitor also has the same delay? My Hollyland 400S definitely adds another 3 so at this point, you're right, it would become notable even to clients!

[@willvazquez3218]

@@extrashot I loved shooting RAW on the Ninja V with my A7SIII because of how much of a RED V-RAPTOR-like image it can render. However, I've had clients complain about the delay when monitoring and I stopped using it and just record internal. That's why I bought a Canon R5c, it has really amazing internal 8K RAW, so HDMI monitoring is acceptable. The only thing is that the R5c doesn't have the class-leading Sony AF, which makes life so much easier. Why must there always be a compromise? Haha.

[@JamesChurchill]

Every camera adds a few frames of delay after sensor readout and before HDMI output, it's not added by the Ninja. If you're monitoring audio separately or listening live, then the result is absolutely guaranteed to be poor even if you were feeding the camera output direct to a dumb monitor. Providing an audio feed to the Ninja analog input and setting the frame delay correctly will result in a properly synced loop out. Alternatively feeding audio to the camera will ensure that the video and audio are locked together from the start and will remain so. (Of course, you must be monitoring the loop out audio for either approach to work.)

[@50450720]

Great intro to the V+ and HDR/RAW I'm looking at the xcast too, I might keep my ninja V for use on the xcast and add a V+ for pro work, it's just a pity the xcast only offers 1080 switching and recording, and only records the final output, whereas the Atem mini pro can record all inputs (although still in 1080)

[@besttourinrio9]

What a great video! I just escribed myself no your Channel. Do you think it’s possible use this Atomos Ninja Plus In my old Sony A7 III ? Like that I can use until I get a new camera with 10bit. Átomos website doesn’t nave that specific information.

[@torbenmayer]

Yes you can (at least you can with the non-Plus version). And actually, if you record with the Ninja V, I am 95% certain you can actually record 422 compared to 420 interally. But I'd need to look that up tommorow if you're interested. And I'm still sure it will be still 8 bit unfortunately.

[@besttourinrio9]

I bought the ninja V but unfortunately it stoped to work in 6 days😢. It was ok one day before but next day it just didn’t turn on. I will return it.

[@Valleedbrume]

I own both the ninja 5 and 5+ it is a work horse.It’s a no brainer as far as I’m concerned.I’ve even used it to record old tape formats and restore the video.Currently use the + on my FX6.The regular ninja on the A7-3 and 4.

[@johnso2399]

is the Ninja V+ backward compatible with older camera? i am asking because their website only showing a few cameras that is compatible with Ninja V+ , far less than Ninja V.

[@MrAlwaysOnTen]

Mmhm

[@nickkuhl3426]

And I am first to comment and want to say that I enjoy your vids a lot!

[@extrashot]

Thanks Nick... and well done!

[@pepepatriota274]

I have an A7s 3 with the Ninja V, and I have tried everything, I use exactly this configuration of yours, and yet the file of the camera cards in S-log 3 come out with more dynamic range, more washed, less contrasted and saturated than the files recorded on the SSD inside the Ninja, could someone help me???!

[@sergiosanchez2012]

Looks like the video is not applying the SDR tonemap correctly, HDR looks as it should. SDR looks like LOG.

[@MrVh78]

I ONLY shoot prores Raw on my FX3. Couldn't ask for more.

[@SebaBertoni]

0:23 wooooooow !!!!

[@camcamwatt]

Keep up the great content 😊

[@hanshut8124]

Super video tanks

[@graphguy]

I'm a minimalist in everything in my life and I loathe even having a traditional looking prismed mirrorless, so I only shoot with Sony a6xxxx series. But I can't take the overheating and terrible 300nit screen and 30 minute video limit anymore, but buying another body just to address these issues is not what I want to do in spending $2,000 on a a7c. $500 makes far more sense. Yes a ninja adds size, but it flat and light... more than enough to save me $1500

[@BHANGUVIDEOSUK]

Awesome video.

[@jeta1383]

There's one big caveat you forgot to mention when shooting HDR - it's only effective when shooting static shots.

[@Oscarjankesmedia]

Why is that?

[@MojoPapiFPV]

But you're not recording 12bit raw. The A7Siii can only record up to 10bit. You can wrap it in a 12, 14, 16bit package, but you're still only looking at 10bits of data. It's like saying you have 7 figures in the bank, but you're only adding zeros at the front (e.g. 0,100,00.00 does not equal 1,000,000).

[@extrashot]

You're right that the A7Siii can only record 10bit... but it outputs 16bit linear RAW thought the HDMI. It's the Ninja V+ that converts this to 12bit for recording. It's actually easier for any camera to output with lower compression because that's less work for the camera to do internally. So I have 111,111,111,111 in the bank instead of 1,111,111,111 😁

[@MojoPapiFPV]

@@extrashot it does not output more than 10bit in any format but it's nice to dream.

[@extrashot]

@@MojoPapiFPV Just google "Sony A7Siii 16bit linear RAW" and dream on !!! 😁

[@MojoPapiFPV]

@@extrashot or just provide a link. All Sonys including cinema line like fx6 are only capable of 10bit internal or external. If you want 12bit, get a Nikon Z9. If you want 16bit get a Sony Venice ($42k) or Red Komodo.

[@extrashot]

@@MojoPapiFPV Here's a link from SonyCine which will help you understand: sonycine.com/articles/shooting-raw-with-the-fx3--and-alpha-7s-iii-/ The A7Siii, FX3, FX6, FX9 all output 16bit linear RAW in the same way. It's the Atomos that converts this to 12bit ProRes.. As an aside... have you wondered what the point of 10bit RAW would be ??? There's a reason it's not thing !!! If you need another link... Atomos also explain 12bit RAW very well here: www.atomos.com/compatible-cameras/a7s-iii

[@YourHobbyDad]

Set 1.25x playback speed if you don’t want to fall sleep while watching.

[@MrAlwaysOnTen]

That intro sound almost destroyed my ears