Be sure to check out these companion videos to learn more! ► History with Cy breaks down the concept of pseudoarchaeology: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWO0npxpq5x8l9k ► World of Antiquity debunks Donnelly's Atlantis theories: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6aWfGawmZlngdk By the way, if you like ancient history, Cy's channel is a goldmine. And if you enjoy listening to a friendly mild-mannered academic BTFO pseudoscientists with evidence and reason, then World of Antiquity is for you.
@CatsEyethePsycho3 жыл бұрын
What’s Mardi Gras like in New Orleans?
@soulman42923 жыл бұрын
Dude, this channel NEEDS MORE ATTENTION. It should have well over a million subs. This information IS IMPORTANT. Your presentation is perfect, and very easy to digest. You’re academically solid, and wonderfully trained in the art of satire. I’m trying to help you get more because I believe in you, and you deserve every penny you make from the amount of effort you put in to making these videos.
@colonelkernel29593 жыл бұрын
Do you believe that the Indo-Aryan invasion happened? There is considerable evidence, but I won't pretend to be an authority.
@AtunSheiFilms3 жыл бұрын
@@colonelkernel2959 That's a different topic than what I talk about in the video. "Indo-Europeans existed and migrated across Eurasia" is a completely different hypothesis from "Scandinavians built the pyramids" which is what Himmler believed.
@Tom_Cruise_Missile3 жыл бұрын
There'd better be a nazi archeologist in this video!
@griffingerrein88313 жыл бұрын
The reason we can't find Atlantis is because General Sherman burned it to the ground
@jonathonrodriguezthomas64573 жыл бұрын
Or, ocean in their case
@samkangal84283 жыл бұрын
Yes ,the bastard hates Cities with A.
@jon-paulfilkins78203 жыл бұрын
map misprint?
@samkangal84283 жыл бұрын
@Undead Brett Nothing like a Rebel merman from Southatlantis.😆
@italia6893 жыл бұрын
@@samkangal8428 Not all; just cities with the first two syllables "At - lant."
@RustyShock3 жыл бұрын
I read "Atlantis: The Antediluvian World" when I was 13-years-old. It was dumb, dry, and the 13-year-old me was terribly disappointed that it had nothing to do with Aquaman.
@RustyShock3 жыл бұрын
@Alex Cavazos It's nice to know that some people get the joke ;-)
@olivergrayhoundII3 жыл бұрын
Similar story with me. Read The Davinci Code as a teenager and thought it was real.
@RustyShock3 жыл бұрын
@@olivergrayhoundII Dan Brown stole that from the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" which is also a load of horseshit.
@koz83193 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it could have used Aquaman to be better.
@autobotstarscream7653 жыл бұрын
@@RustyShock The courts ruled it wasn't stealing as HBHG claimed to be history and Dan Brown didn't. 🤣
@mistertwister20002 жыл бұрын
“It’s too detailed to be a fictional story!” *J.R.R. Tolkien has entered the chat*
@scloftin8861 Жыл бұрын
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@mikkosimonen Жыл бұрын
You mean Tolkien's works aren't actual accounts of ancient Earth translated from the original High Elven language?
@nimnimn6930 Жыл бұрын
@Mikko Simonen I'll have you know it was translated from the common tongue, the Westron, not Quenya. Definitely real languages that descend from the very real places of Valinor and Numenor. After all it was revealed to Tolkien in a dream.
@LordVader1094 Жыл бұрын
@@nimnimn6930 It was actually revealed to him by someone discovering the Red Book of Westmarch, and the English translations thereof. ;)
@avengingmime Жыл бұрын
I know exactly where to find incontrovertible proof of the existence of Middle Earth but nobody wants to fund my excavation. The closed minds of academia can't handle the Truth!
@iammrbeat3 жыл бұрын
No wonder history channels do so well on KZbin. The History Channel is now the Fantasy Channel.
@johnathancopson93283 жыл бұрын
And unfortunately, it's not even good fantasy.
@reid4883 жыл бұрын
The idea of calling them the “history” channel is disrespectful to actual history fans. Ancient Aliens is literally the one thing CARRYING them into the eyes of mainstream media. On its breaking back. The show isn’t even as popular more. Andy is right, shit like this filth exists, and people wonder why we cannot agree on the basics of reality.
@condorscondor3 жыл бұрын
Its been like that for like the past 15+ years
@cptfullsack63733 жыл бұрын
I misread your handle and was about to ask for some money
@reid4883 жыл бұрын
@@cptfullsack6373 what did you think it said?
@ThatChainmecha3 жыл бұрын
Of course Atlantis is real, it's the capital of Georgia
@Airlessarc3 жыл бұрын
banger
@vannah122223 жыл бұрын
Um, excuse me but Atlantis is that gambling city in New Jersey 🙄
@Airlessarc3 жыл бұрын
@@vannah12222 no dummy it's the book with all the maps in it
@jw17313 жыл бұрын
@@vannah12222 no no, it's the guy who shrugged.
@theshenpartei3 жыл бұрын
It’s located in the Bahamas and it’s a very pricy hotel
@nsahandler Жыл бұрын
"It's too detailed to be fake!" -a man, chained in a cave, making the argument his shadow is a real person.
@bobthegamingtaco60734 ай бұрын
I find it funny that we aren't even chained to our ignorance anymore. The cave is open, we're free, and some people look into the blinding sun, see birds, trees, concepts that astound the mind, and decide "I like shadows, lemme go back inside" And then you've got the assholes making shadow puppets on the wall to earn a quick buck. "One night only, a rabbit larger than a man! A bird that can soar on cave walls!" And people eat that up
@pandagamer-hg5be2 ай бұрын
@@bobthegamingtaco6073 most of this only really becomes a problem when the people willingly chaining themselves to the shadow cave along with those trying to profit from it start demanding that everyone should still be forced to join them or else and that everyone who doesn't is evil and doesn't deserve to be treated like people or with any form respect
@BoomKing723 жыл бұрын
Plato claiming Atlantis was real is like the ancient Greek equivalent of "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. "
@KaoKacique3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. That's the weirdest, saying that a story is real is a common thing in literature. Just like Plato's Critias, Don Quixote has the same plot of saying that the story comes from found writings, but no one says it's true
@bithundr3 жыл бұрын
It is then purely coincidential that all the peoples living in different ages in different places talk exactly about the same place, and the exact same history. The "plato just made it up for a metaphor" is the new trend for completely ignorant people. The people who believe this argument have not read Timaeus and don't know how many other famous people talked about Atlantis before and after Plato.
@DavidEllis943 жыл бұрын
@@bithundr They didn't, though. Literally no record or mention of Atlantis exists from any other civilization that would, logically, have been able to interact with the Atlanteans. If Atlantis was real, then it was damned good at going unnoticed by almost literally everyone on the planet apart from the characters talking about it.
@ArtisticlyAlexis3 жыл бұрын
@@bithundr As a teen, I too believed in Atlantis, but then I learned to read & understand actual history & archeology. The true discoveries of very ancient past civilizations are far more fascinating & mysterious than a made up island. Göbekli Tepe & its sister sites are almost as old as the mythical Atlantis, but is *real* with more discoveries every day. We've always had extreme ingenuity & don't need to chase ancient fiction or secret advanced technology to find or explain amazing ancient sites made by our ancestors.
@Chauzuvoy3 жыл бұрын
I'm just saying that Criteus and Timeus were both characters set up to make points that Socrates could deliver the philosophical smackdown to, so maybe when they repeatedly say that Atlantis was real we should read that as "no srsly this guy is gonna keep going for a while but trust me he's so dumb"
@MoonlightEmbrace3 жыл бұрын
"Its too detailed to be fake!" Then I guess the adventures of Hector Servadac, a 19th century French ship captain who got swooped into Space by a comet grazing the Mediterranean sea only to later on return to Earth with an improvised hot air balloon when the comet happened to pass through Earth's atmosphere again is totally true and based in scientific fact. Jules Verne couldn't have possibly made it all up, there's just too much detail!
@lamp15852 жыл бұрын
Middle earth is also real have you seen how much detail are in those books
@Argom422 жыл бұрын
Caprona would like a word. Edgar Rice Burroughs - The Land that Time Forgot. Nuff said
@lamp15852 жыл бұрын
@Lilith does stuff isn’t Arrakis a US state
@iamthekingof1omillionsunsets2 жыл бұрын
@@lamp1585 Yes it is. You can go there.
@Predator203572 жыл бұрын
Damn, The Land of Oz must’ve been all real then!
@bilanovitch Жыл бұрын
Like Twain said "[they] use statistics (evidence) the way a drunk uses a lamppost, more for support than illumination."
@unclejoe74663 жыл бұрын
As an "American" and reincarnated "Atlantean", I just want it known that we consider ourselves Numenoreans. Frodo lives!
@V2011F3 жыл бұрын
Frodo lives!
@saffronic30263 жыл бұрын
Potatoes are a truly diverse food, you can cook em, mash em, boil em, put them in a stew
@mountainjew14743 жыл бұрын
Does it make Russia Mordor?
@V2011F3 жыл бұрын
@@mountainjew1474 maybe, or the misty mountains at least, the middle east is the Haradrim that I know for sure.
@Nick-nv5fy3 жыл бұрын
Eh, still waiting on the dark lord Morgoth #FreeMorgoth #MissYouSauron
@shelbypowell99193 жыл бұрын
As Red from OSP put it: “What if Plato was telling the truth about every detail of Atlantis except where the island was physically located.”
@iivin4233 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, that is exactly how I could describe my car after a night out.
@hubguy3 жыл бұрын
"If Atlantis doesn't exist, why did Plato so thoroughly describe it as if it were real?" Do they really think worldbuilders and good fiction makers only existed recently lol
@mrsympatico57282 жыл бұрын
because the place is real. not " Atlantis"
@pmadden19992 жыл бұрын
Yes. People like Grahmn Hancock and that maniac from Ancient Aliens often make the asinine claim that ancient people were incapable of imagining things they hadn’t seen before.
@dragonfell50782 жыл бұрын
Almost as silly as thinking that non-European cultures only made their cool shit thanks to Aliens
@sars9102 жыл бұрын
@@Treblaine Historians 2000 years from now : "It appears Thanos was a very influential and yet controversial figure in 2000s AD society, with many arguing whether what he did was wrong or right (Though historians aren't sure what "it" was). He also appears to be a political or religious leader of some sort, as evidence appears of him doing something called Dance of the Default (Likely a religious ritual) in a symposium called Fortnite (Likely a misspelling of the word for two weeks. Also seems to be a gathering place for important figures of the age. Other notable attendees seem to include Iron Man, Travis Scott and the Emperor of the time, Palpatine) in front of millions of followers and worshippers."
@franke1022 жыл бұрын
@@mrsympatico5728 Nothing said in this video, or the other two, refutes any science based claims Donnelly makes. Namely assumptions based off a litany of historical, archeological and geological information. These three kids are the epitome of "I looked it up on Google and my opinion is based off a hodge-podge of first page results". The classic books of knowledge curated by a centralized source. They no doubt have not read the Atlantis or Ragnarok book. Donnelly's sources came from the Library of Congress. He had access to books 99.9999% Americans will never have. Many people close to him claim he only became a congressman to gain access to that library. They'll claim Plato's claims of Atlantis are false because it's a second hand account of Solon's trip to Egypt? That's ridiculous. That's to say, Plato could of written the story as a first-hand account and you would of believed it? Or no, because the books are written by philosophers? I guess it's only truth if comes from a history book that was commissioned in favor of the ruling class, or maybe a building or piece of art also commissioned in favor of the ruling class? Classic confirmation bias. Only seeing the logical fallacy as it applies to the opposition.
@sirloinofbeef24493 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget the day when I thought I made a historical breakthrough when I theorized Atlantis was located in the Atlantic Ocean. I was 10.
@irighterotica3 жыл бұрын
Sounds a lot like me when I thought, at the age of 15, I had outsmarted all the world's physicists and engineers by designing a perpetual motion machine with magnets.
@dannycork4232 жыл бұрын
I had the same feeling when I correctly guessed the spelling of bus when I was 4
@user-qu6ij5sl1v2 жыл бұрын
So simple. So elegant. It was right in front of us all along
@davitdavid71652 жыл бұрын
@@irighterotica I did the same but with motors and generators. Lego motors and generators
@jacksentertainmentsystem31902 жыл бұрын
Okay so true story here I said the word "Locomotive" when I was 2. Has nothing to add to this comment, just wanted to say it because everyone's listing childhood accomplishments
@Akwardave3 жыл бұрын
I now have a great need for an Atun-Shei video on Huey Long. So long as his bones are still buried beneath the state capitol, the rest of us can only ever hope to be the 2nd most interesting man in Louisiana.
@theshenpartei3 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting
@generalfred94263 жыл бұрын
E V E R Y M A N A K I N G
@thebrutusmars3 жыл бұрын
The 1st being Lafitte? Or?
@eragonlindemann72363 жыл бұрын
@@thebrutusmars Long He’s saying no one can surpass Former Senator Huey Long “Dong”
@ahmedamine243 жыл бұрын
@@generalfred9426 Fascist methods to get breakfast for children!
@Robi-Chaud3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the people who argue that Atlantis is real because Plato didn't give a twelve-page disclaimer about it being fiction would just have their minds blown by Utopia
@nsahandler Жыл бұрын
Wait until they read the story about the Cave - where a dude is convinced his shadow is a real person because he doesn't know any better
@hedgehog31808 ай бұрын
Just like fiction in general.
@StefanMilo3 жыл бұрын
That lesser spotted 15 minute takedown intro. I love it
@tomober28893 жыл бұрын
Haha I think it was 20!
@pauldefillippo84903 жыл бұрын
Stefan! I bought a paleolithic hand-axe for myself for my last birthday because of you, LOL.
@neanineto55163 жыл бұрын
love your work stefan
@JMD5013 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful
@DeltaDanner3 жыл бұрын
I love the narrator of Ancient Aliens. Every show he does voice over work for he always has the same insinuating tone. I remember on the show about Oak Island they found a wooden stake in the ground and just the way he said it was so funny. “A *stake* made of *wood* ? In the *ground* ? Could this mean the Templars built a booby-trapped tunnel system to hide their treasures?”
@greenonion1702 жыл бұрын
I love the narrator of those shows. If it's the same guy and not a robot, I wish he would do shows based *much* more based on historical fact rather than plain fiction.
@ShaithMaster2 жыл бұрын
He does the voice of Jim Raynor in Starcraft.
@dragonfell50782 жыл бұрын
Templar tunnel rats
@Gibbypastrami2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I wonder if he knows any of the background of the content in Ancient Aliens and let's it influence how he presents it XD
@Hirohito_iLoveYou2 жыл бұрын
“Ancient astronaut theorists..….say YES”
@capnstewy55 Жыл бұрын
I like how Plato says all myths are false and then writes a myth that people think is true.
@troublesome33793 жыл бұрын
When people say that the myths of "Atlantis" were written as history because the author said so I keep being reminded of Don Quixote and Red book of west march (LOTR), 100% fictional books written as fiction but within the narrative are described as real events by the author either to make a point or to enhance the story or both.
@krankarvolund77713 жыл бұрын
Yeah, in 2000 years, conspirationnists will search Mordor and Gondor around the world ^^'
@caiawlodarski53393 жыл бұрын
"Dear Historians, if middle earth didn't exist, why does Tolkien claim it did ? Checkmate"
@rocksteadyska69333 жыл бұрын
They're reading essentially the written version of found footage films as if they're fact, somebody help me, stop the planet I want to get off 🤦🏿♂️
@Big_Steve113 жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 “why would it have several fully fleshed out languages if it was just a fictional story?”
@davispeterson18763 жыл бұрын
This is exactly where my brain went when that argument came up
@Hexa1rtn13 жыл бұрын
There should be a disclaimer on shows that states that just because a person has an English accent that doesn't make them an authority on anything.
@samgunn123 жыл бұрын
You can tell an Englishman from a mile away. If you get up close you can’t tell ‘em anything.
@Overlord997623 жыл бұрын
Wait, it doesn't?
@fearofowl59733 жыл бұрын
If anything having an English accent automatically makes you less credible (Attenborough not withstanding)
@Overlord997623 жыл бұрын
@floaty cloud wait what
@dannycork4232 жыл бұрын
I mean, the guy's name is Graham! He's gotta know what he's talking about
@Cinemarkerz963 жыл бұрын
Is it me or Ignatius Donelly’s story is way more interesting than any half-assed Atlantis and ancient aliens conspiracy people throw around these days?
@joshuadunford31713 жыл бұрын
“If Atlantis isn’t real, why did I have a four hour layover at its airport?”
@peterwindhorst57753 жыл бұрын
Blame Sherman.
@carboy03533 жыл бұрын
Of course Atlantis is real, didn’t you see that entirely truthful animated documentary “Atlantis the Lost Empire” released in 2001 to wide critical acclaim? Foolish man, of course you don’t believe in the words of the mighty Cartoon Mouse!
@avet45213 жыл бұрын
You're right, Milo found Atlantis easily (once they got passed the mechanical crab), he was even able to teach the Atlantian's how to fly again. 🤣🤣🤣
@RobertVlcek3 жыл бұрын
And the reason why no one can find it is because it's located near Iceland. 😉
@mclovinU2night3 жыл бұрын
How about the James Cameron special. ....how low can the bar go?
@MaeljinRajah3 жыл бұрын
Agreed that Treasure Planet and Eldorado are all just real events they just rotoscoped over them to make them look like cartoons
@juliankirby98803 жыл бұрын
@@luxinvictus9018 the worst part about learning about history, is it ruins ones ability to see the historical figures as people not nearly mythological figures that they are painted as.
@arthurfields95753 жыл бұрын
I would say that what the ancients built in the Americas is truly impressive because they were able to do everything without the help of beasts of burden to help them move the massive stones and without the metal tools. They had to be very creative. We need to give more credit to the ancient people all over the world they are much smarter and capability than we give them credit for.
@GusBDamme Жыл бұрын
Uh no dumdum, it was aliens, the tv said so
@panqueque4453 жыл бұрын
I mean if the Lord of the Rings was meant to be fiction, why would he add so many details? CLEARLY the Middle Kingdom was a real thing and the book was supposed to be a historical record.
@adulescentuluscarnifex84123 жыл бұрын
I unironically wonder if tens of thousands of years from now, our descendants will be debating on whether or not Lord of the Rings is fact, fiction or a little bit of both.
@thursoberwick19483 жыл бұрын
@@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 Actually it is a mixture of fact and fiction, you just have to know what you are looking for. The Shire is rural England, the Dead Marshes are the swamps of No Man's Land on the Western Front etc.
@TheRenegade...3 жыл бұрын
@@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 That's only possible if they only read the editions that don't have Tolkien saying that he hates allegory
@adulescentuluscarnifex84123 жыл бұрын
@@thursoberwick1948 ok dork
@thursoberwick19483 жыл бұрын
@@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 Brilliant and witty response, thank you.
@groovinhooves3 жыл бұрын
I would suggest that Atlantis is possibly based on oral traditions which attempt to make sense of the destruction of Minoan culture (and many outliers) by the eruption of Thera (modern Santorini). No one would have known the scientific facts of the cataclysm, it would have been highly mythologized, and, by Plato's time, why not spin it up into a foundational myth for Athens' hegemony? Plato nor anyone else of that time would have known the name Minos and the probably correctly supposed place Knossos, but there's your real Atlantis. Nothing special or mystical about Minoans, but they most certainly would have been a dominant presence in the Aegean and beyond and perhaps despised in murky, mythical badly transmitted local histories all over the region.
@MsSarahJosephine3 жыл бұрын
That's my theory too. Minoans also had indoor plumbing = technologically advanced for its day. Plus there's the Akrotiri fresco that literally depict a town on an island/peninsula within an island (aka very likely Thera/Santorini pre-eruption) very like Plato's description of his Atlantis.
@AlexKS19923 жыл бұрын
You could make an argument that Atlantis is Santorini but even then Atlantis was an allegory. Although Plato could’ve used Santorini as inspiration.
@chrisball37783 жыл бұрын
The city of Akrotiri on Thera literally disappeared during the eruption, as it was entirely buried by ash, similar to Pompeii centuries later. It was rediscovered in the 60's and is a truly amazing and underrated archeological site, with almost intact Bronze Age houses up to three stories tall, complete with sophisticated drainage systems and in a few cases, astonishing frescos. A number of serious and qualified people have suggested it as a likely candidate for the 'real' Atlantis, although it's impossible to definitively prove it.
@AtunSheiFilms3 жыл бұрын
Very possible! That theory is discussed in World of Antiquity's companion video kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6aWfGawmZlngdk
@sexagesimalian3 жыл бұрын
This is why I don't understand the assertions that Atlantis must have been technologically advanced: they lost a war with Athens. They couldn't have been that advanced.
@CheddarDrip Жыл бұрын
As a Minnesotan, it’s fascinating how our history jumps back and forth between progressivism and truly wild frontier beliefs and practices. To this day, half of the twin cities is named after Ramsey, both a staunch republican against institutional slavery and a businessman that took advantage of slave owner money to build up the local economy. He also called for the extermination of the Mdewakanton tribe during the Dakota Wars, a group that still lives and struggles in a dilapidated urban reservation called Little Earth right now, a block from where I live
@CheddarDrip Жыл бұрын
The best illustration of this weird intersection of history is that people from multiple tribes, including Dakota tribes, live at Little Earth, which is within Ramsey county, named after the man that called for their ancestor’s deaths and removal from the land.
@viewerguy253 жыл бұрын
"Atlantis is in Minnesota" Me, a Minnesotan: What, why didn't I learn of this in my state history class?!
@danielhall65783 жыл бұрын
You weren’t? We built Duluth on top of the ruins of Atlantis
@texasyojimbo3 жыл бұрын
"THEY" don't want you to know the "TRUTH."
@Nealikus3 жыл бұрын
They changed the name to Bde Mga Ba
@notcomputernerd523 жыл бұрын
@@Nealikus that's what the MN DNR want you to think
@diegorincon46733 жыл бұрын
With the American school system teaching us The lost cause, I’m honestly surprised that isn’t taught.
@jamespocelinko1043 жыл бұрын
Atlantis: *Doesn't exist, was simply a thought experiment* Ignatius Donnelly and other crackpot archeologists: IT'S REAL TO ME DAMMIT
@thursoberwick19483 жыл бұрын
Stories of submerged lands are very widespread. Plato does include some compelling details including the city being built in circles which suggests a flooded caldera complex, which suggests some real foundation.
@williamarnold97443 жыл бұрын
It looks a lot like religion they're practicing.
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
Anyone else prefer Donovan’s Atlanta to Donovan’s Atlantis?
@AgentXXSmith3 жыл бұрын
Lotta Kayfabe breaking in this channel
@thursoberwick19483 жыл бұрын
@@stefanfilipovits21 Like this video suggests, New Orleans is probably quids in to be the next Atlantis. Probably followed by Miami. I'll leave you to decide whether these are "great civilisations".
@lukasuhlenkamp98502 жыл бұрын
As a Minnesotan, I'm proud to be a descendent of the Atlanteans.
@SStupendous2 жыл бұрын
As a Minnesotian too, that makes two of us!
@shanesheffield6346 Жыл бұрын
Also a Minnesotan here make it 3
@theConquerersMama Жыл бұрын
You betcha!
@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree Жыл бұрын
Pennsylvanians are the TRUE inheritors of the Atlantean Crown!!!!
@yaboicolleen Жыл бұрын
make that four (or five)!
@hoopsmcgee82723 жыл бұрын
I'm not an archeologist, but I am finishing my PhD in criminology/sociology soon. I've noticed a ton of myths about crime, society get spread all over the internet and I have been thinking about creating a YT channel to directly attack those myths. Because most people aren't buying subscriptions to the journals I submit my work to.
@deezboyeed67642 жыл бұрын
Do it! But don't make your goal to be huge, make it to educate.
@janbarsk307710 ай бұрын
Agree, I would also like to follow a channel like that.
@madhog813 жыл бұрын
I actually cited one of your videos (the one where you read diary entries of CSA soldiers) in my undergraduate essay on the American Civil War and have argued to my professors the usefulness of YT videos in helping promote good historical education, sharing of knowledge, and good old fashion blood sports in terms of debates. I think your point on academia is a valid one but it is one that even small universities are starting to understand and get a grip on. Continue posting good content and you'll help persuade the Academics of the Ivory Towers to come to talk to the masses!
@zetroll03723 жыл бұрын
4:04 "where are the gods" the story had Zeus noticing the corruption of the Atlantians and ask Poseidon to do something. which then Poseidon decided to drown the whole damn island. *literally the reason the whole island drown deep into the ocean is due to POSEIDON (THE GOD OF OCEAN), INTERFERING.*
@dylanchouinard6141 Жыл бұрын
Also that the first ten kings of Atlantis were the demigod sons of Poseidon with a mortal woman
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive3 жыл бұрын
You _are_ a filmmaker Atun-Shei. That guy being an explorer though...
@chain32133 жыл бұрын
@Paragon Ecclesia You are truly a brave soul…..(salutes)
@TheGreatPurpleFerret3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered if the voice over guy of all those shows has ever felt embarrassed about all the dumb shit he says
@unclejoe74663 жыл бұрын
I wonder if recording robocalls is his other job.
@StrawB0ss3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he cries all the way to the bank.
@cortanathelawless18483 жыл бұрын
I feel like it's something you have to stop giving a shit like you have about death when you're a mortician
@bigpotato83 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I would love to have a job like this. Getting paid to narrate a comedic script that makes me laugh every time I read it? Sign me up!
@samuellancaster64873 жыл бұрын
...embarrassed all the way to the bank. Seriously, that's regular voiceover work by a "major" cable network. Nothing to sneeze at.
@awandererfromys1680 Жыл бұрын
“The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.” ― Terry Pratchett, _Diggers_
@MrAchile133 жыл бұрын
The internet needs more pseudo-history debunkings. Hancock and his friends are one of the most well received pseudo-scientists out there.
@onthewattle3 жыл бұрын
In no small part to Low Bogan
@spiritualanarchist81623 жыл бұрын
But people don't want debunking ! . I'm a historian, and i tried tohave discussions with these people by pointing out how ancient monuments were build, i gave them explanations, links to other videos, etc,etc. They either start calling me ignorant, part of a conspiracy or they just stop responding. I think they use these alternative realities to make their lives less boring . They don't want to hear that there is enough proof and detailed historical facts to explain 90% of all archaeological sites. They just don't care.
@ahmedamine243 жыл бұрын
@@spiritualanarchist8162 That bemuses me. Real History is *extremely* interesting, and matters a *lot* to the modern day! One discovery or new interpretation can throw fundamental beliefs on their head!
@spiritualanarchist81623 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedamine24 Well to be honest, I used to love this kind of áncient alien 'stuff when i was a kid. People love mystery over history. But you are right, History is intresting ,if it's taught well.
@ahmedamine243 жыл бұрын
@@spiritualanarchist8162 And fiction can be dreadfully dull, if told badly. See "The Last Airbender" by M Night Shamayalan. Or "The Hobbit."
@Alanthewhite3 жыл бұрын
“Plato, is Atlantis real?” “It’s real in my head.”
@Nunyo-Bizznez3 жыл бұрын
"Its real in my heart."
@russellmillar71323 жыл бұрын
" It's as real as it needs to be for this story ".
@weebishusername92883 жыл бұрын
"Liar, you have just been brainwashed by the government and mainstream "historians"" -The people who watch the "History Channel"
@russellmillar71323 жыл бұрын
@@weebishusername9288 Oh good, at least it's nothing serious--The guy who's wondering what's the downside of being brainwashed by the government and mainstream " historians.
@brianbarr27163 жыл бұрын
it was real to his contemporaries, granted he threw in a collage of other old rumors to spice it up
@texlad043 жыл бұрын
I've watched all of Stargate Atlantis. It's an excellent documentary.
@thomasbicknell1752 жыл бұрын
God I miss Stargate…
@MKotnis Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much access the Air Force gave those film crews. Dang patriot act got passed before they got renewed
@caseyd94713 жыл бұрын
"The truth is Atlantis is in Minnesota" Does that mean Lake Superior will rise and drown us all? Sounds like a metaphor... Fantastic video as always!!
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
Idk what he’s talking about, Atlantis is in the Bahamas. I’ve seen it.
@tompatterson15482 жыл бұрын
Clearly it’s under the North Sea!
@FalconKPD3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie though, Disney's Atlantis was ballin.
@AD-dg3zz3 жыл бұрын
It's one of my favorite Disney movies! But it becomes a hell of a lot darker when you consider that if it took place in the real world, Milo truly was wasting his life on a complete myth and fell for it hook line and sinker.
@FalconKPD3 жыл бұрын
@@AD-dg3zz good thing it doesn't!
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
Damn. Right. One of the most underrated animated movies ever
@Demiglitch3 жыл бұрын
I doubt they like that version because the advanced atlanteans were brown and the bad guys were white colonisers.
@alnu83553 жыл бұрын
Best Disney Villian ever. Rouke did'nt give a shit. My man was trying to get paid.
@jclarke8849 Жыл бұрын
Best quote; 'if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out'; I here by swear to use this quote remorselessly, always duly crediting unless significant personal advantage is at stake.
@Benji-mx1no3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all you do. I used to believe all of the lost cause BS. You opened my eyes and really reignited my love and passion for history. It’s amazing living in a country with such rich history. I love the content. I would love to see a video on the history out west. I live in Cheyenne Wyoming and the history here is so interesting yet it’s never talked about.
@krono5el3 жыл бұрын
look up Cahokia, the Mississippians , the Maya, the Inca. its all pretty incredible stuff.
@Benji-mx1no3 жыл бұрын
Will do! I just finished the outlaw Josey Wales and god is it a good movie.
@michaelsilver2533 жыл бұрын
As a stereotypical east coaster I generally picture Wyoming as a perfectly rectangular, massive hole in the middle of the country, and so am really interested in replacing this perception. What part of your local history draws you in? Tribal history? Indian Wars? How settlements grew into communities?
@pdc49303 жыл бұрын
I always thought Atlantis was a slight retelling of the Minoan Civilization collapse. It makes sense as it's close to Greece and from what I have seen in research is that it was very different and quite advance for its time and advanced compared to Platos time.
@bullrun27723 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@paulastiles55072 жыл бұрын
Some of it, at least, seems to be a mashup of folkloric memory of the results from the Thera eruption and the Bronze Age Collapse centuries later. Plato was certainly familiar with the Iliad and the Odyssey, and probably some other myths (now lost) that originated in the second millennium BCE.
@donnyreznicek2113 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only history person who was lead down a trail of lies due to "Indiana Jones". That series gave me the wrong idea about studying the past and how often I'd get to punch Nazis.
@AlbertaGeek2 жыл бұрын
You have plenty of such opportunities, if you live in the U.S. Just look for the MAGA hats.
@SorowFame2 жыл бұрын
@@AlbertaGeek it isn’t as fun without the accents and uniforms
@blebcat2 жыл бұрын
@@AlbertaGeek Political violence? Doesn't sound very democratic to me.
@theangryholmesian45562 жыл бұрын
@@blebcat The Nazis aren't exactly known for being democratic mate. Never again means never again.
@blebcat2 жыл бұрын
@@theangryholmesian4556 Oh right, the classic tactic of calling everyone who disagrees with you politically a Nazi. And you still think you're the good guys just because you demonize your enemies first. Your life has more value than to be such an ignorant person, so I hope you grow up.
@chrisball37783 жыл бұрын
There's been a reasonably convincing case made that the Atlantis myth (whether Plato believed it or not) is a garbled retelling of the eruption of the Thera volcano in about 1600 BC. This caused numerous settlements in the area to be destroyed and even caused some to vanish completely. The Minoan city of Akrotiri was entirely lost under volcanic ash until it was excavated in the 20th century, and bears some similarities to aspects of Plato's description of Atlantis.
@thebrutusmars3 жыл бұрын
This is addressed in World of Antiquity’s companion video.
@commonsense-og1gz3 жыл бұрын
if he was speaking of thera, then he would not have downgraded the Mediterranean sea to a harbor in the critias. another thing is that critias explicitly states that this story is Egyptian.
@InquisitorThomas3 жыл бұрын
@@commonsense-og1gz Yes and Tolkien said the Lord of the Rings was written by Hobbits, sometimes being lie or use a framing device to give their fictional story more authenticity.
@commonsense-og1gz3 жыл бұрын
@@InquisitorThomas if a story is to be retold, then it needs to be told right, or the people retelling it are guilty of the same fiction they accuse the original story of.
@milesedgeworth1323 жыл бұрын
@@commonsense-og1gz Sure, dig Platos up and get him to take responsibility.
@TheJohnnyCalifornia3 жыл бұрын
Robert E. Howard's pretty strong belief in Atlantis, heavily influenced by Lewis Spence, was quite interesting in that his Atlanteans were barbarians rather than advanced and civilized people. The most interesting historic comparison to Atlantis was the Bronze Age collapse with all the various catastrophes and strife that brought down the civilizations of the times such as the Hittites and the Mycaneans leaving just a very diminished Egypt surviving.
@xtremeranger303 жыл бұрын
The Hyborian Age from Howard I guess you can say is a sequel to Kull of Atlantis's era as well.
@tonywords67133 жыл бұрын
Bronze Age Collapse that was triggered by the unknown "sea peoples"?
@crackersphdinwumbology28313 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes, the Sea Peoples. History's greatest mystery.
@petrsalavec65413 жыл бұрын
@@Oldsmobile69 Do you have any source for your claims?
@infamedepatates25023 жыл бұрын
Robert E Howard's essay the Hyborian Age shares many ideas to Connelly's work, but also has the racial and nietzschean conflict of civilization and barbarity behind it. It's a real treat
@canislupus4655 Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad the explanation of science included how the scientific method does not result in “finding the truth.” I think the biggest misconception a lot of people have about science is that it’s meant to find The Truth, when the nature of science means the opposite. There are no Truths in science, only conclusion supported by evidence. Part of accepting the scientific method is coming to terms with the idea that not everything can be known, and I think that’s not something people are taught.
@mr.bluesky85543 жыл бұрын
"Atlantis, is in Minnesota." Me, a Minnesotan: Well boys, let's get digging!
@theTopCat-13 жыл бұрын
please do, perhaps you will accidentally validate the book the Book of Mormon...
@huebuckle81982 жыл бұрын
Finally something in Minnesota lol
@PM_____2 жыл бұрын
only viking history is in minnesota
@jliller Жыл бұрын
Atlantis is a city Palm Beach County, Florida. Most of it is a country club.
@evanceier85773 жыл бұрын
atun shei talking about crackpot archaeology again? this'll be good.
@todzulu63 жыл бұрын
Thanks Atun-Shei. it’s easy for so many people to fall into these rabbit holes of pseudoscience and conspiracy theories of our times, you make clear and convincing points that can give one a solid reality check without being demeaning or faulting one for ‘drinking the koolaid’
@angelozachos87772 жыл бұрын
Did you drink the JIBBY JABBY 💉 KOOL-AID too ? Safe & Effective 😂
@patrickmcpartland1398 Жыл бұрын
Makes me be more mindful of my "trash tv I have on when stoned and laying around doing laundry on Sundays"
@TexasRed6493 жыл бұрын
Atlantis is real. However it was moved to the Pegasus dwarf galaxy four million years ago.
@Rhynome3 жыл бұрын
I hear Atlantis was left on a cliffhanger, too. Very devious.
@thatcanuck56703 жыл бұрын
Nerd.
@theshenpartei3 жыл бұрын
@@Rhynome I don’t get it
@Rhynome3 жыл бұрын
@@theshenpartei OP was referencing the series Stargate: Atlantis.
@drrohanjacob3 жыл бұрын
@@Rhynome I think the comics and novels continue the story
@CT222223 жыл бұрын
“Where are the Gods?” ....weren’t they literally what created Atlantis in the first place in the story? Lol, even that point of theirs can’t hold up to literally the tiniest piece of scrutiny.
@kenster16823 жыл бұрын
Yeah but the gods created all civilizations. So that alone doesn't debunk anything.
@anthonyoer47783 жыл бұрын
Even today's countries have creation myths... Mexico for example.
@weldonwin3 жыл бұрын
The kings of Atlantis were supposed to be demi-gods, descended from Poseidon and given the island to rule over. A major theme of the story was how as generations passed, this divine dynasty, became less and less divine and more vulnerable to the vices and failings of their mortal nature and thus leading to the decline of Atlantis' moral character and their drive towards imperialism
@holdthedoor81303 жыл бұрын
How was rome founded? Totally accurate story
@alchemist98833 жыл бұрын
@@weldonwin pretty sure king atlas was a titan not a demi-god
@Hannah-jb5xj3 жыл бұрын
when you come for a fun video on Atlantis and end up watching an essay on the necessity of scientific study and the fallings of the wider academic community (past and present). Great video
@SoSoKayla3 жыл бұрын
I've been living in Minnesota for the majority of my life, can confirm. A friend of mine dated Aquaman in college.
@historybuff18123 жыл бұрын
Maybe the real Atlantis was the friends we made along the way
@lobstered_blue-lobster3 жыл бұрын
Bruh...how! Atalntis is a city not a frie.......uhhh nevermind!
@AMVETSWA3 жыл бұрын
Great report! For years, I thought I was the only person who knew how to read Plato correctly, from word one to word last. Atlantis was the result of a homework assignment Socrates handed out to three of his students. The overall discussion was around what the best form of government should look like. Socrates started off with his definition in "The Republic." His students replied with their concept of "The lost continent of Atlantis."
@ceterfo3 жыл бұрын
"And we wonder why no one can agree on objective reality it must be Twitter." That has to be one of the most succinct sarcastic statements I've ever heard.
@haldorasgirson94633 жыл бұрын
My favorites are the "Somesayers". You know, the people who "some say". Like that has any kind of meaning.
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
I prefer the “Is it possible that _____???” line they pull out 10x per episode
@einstein9513 жыл бұрын
@@stefanfilipovits21 Ah yes, JAQing off
@coaxill40593 жыл бұрын
In my mind, "Some say" has a place in conversation, and it's for speculation. If you've legitimately heard people say something, you can't assume it's true, but you can entertain the thought. If someone is using "some say this" as an excuse to justify action, that's a huge red flag. It strongly suggests they have ulterior motives they can't admit to.
@YOSSARIAN313 Жыл бұрын
I had a professor in college who was a teacher of mesoamerican history but he was also one of the leading voices against ancient aliens theory. Interesting guy
@lyokianhitchhiker Жыл бұрын
I mean, most people I know think that the idea of metaphysical phenomena being ancient humanity's interpretation of alien encounters is the only part of it that comes close to having any likelihood of holding water
@williamlydon25543 жыл бұрын
I remember in High School the guy behind me in class literal asked “How do you know they didn’t just make all that up”? He was asking if historians were just making shit up...I tried to point out the process historians use, citing sources, backing claims with evidence and connecting it all. I doubt I convinced him however.
@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget3 жыл бұрын
Really good book called proving history you would probably like
@Imperium833 жыл бұрын
Okay so how you know people back then weren't just making it all up? Or were people of antiquity just too stupid and only wrote in metaphors? Seems you have more in common with Ancient Alien theorists than you think.
@williamlydon25543 жыл бұрын
@@Imperium83 You use evidence to back up a hypothesis. Records like old news papers, legal documents and witness accounts, to create a picture of an event.
@noecarrier50353 жыл бұрын
The idea that an impactor of anything other than utterly catastrophic moon-size could change the axial tilt at all by some combination of entry angle and velocity is amazingly bad and demonstrates a complete lack of even the most basic understanding of physics.
@Gegs12 Жыл бұрын
A big problem is that (even if people want to read a scientific paper) a lot of scientific papers are stuck behind paywalls or in archives you need an account to view. The truth is expensive, the lies are free.
@SerryJeinfeld32 Жыл бұрын
Great point
@janbarsk307710 ай бұрын
I also think it is a great point. The Atun-Shei guy makes a good point about university people just sticking to there own way of writing. I have seen that ivory tower culture myself. Also, since History Channel publish documentaries that take ancient aliens seriously, what can be expected?
@robertalpy Жыл бұрын
Plato was notorious for leaning on allegory. He and diogenes famously disliked eachother exactly for this reason. Now if diogenes ever talked of Atlantis I'd believe it. Buy Plato was a known rascal when it came to facts.
@geoffreysorkin577425 күн бұрын
If I recall, the only nonfiction book that Plato ever wrote was his version of Socrates' Apology. And he still added a few lines that other accounts don't have Socrates saying (including one where Socrates said that Plato and his friends offered to pay any fine that was levied).
@GleeChan3 жыл бұрын
Chris White's "Ancient Aliens Debunked" has been one of my favorite KZbin made documentaries for years.
@tj79353 жыл бұрын
I love the point you made about academics around the 15 min mark! I'm an ex-young earth creationist, got my BS in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, and Im now working on my PhD in microbiology. On more than one occasion I've had academics tell me that its a waist of time to address young earth creationism. "Its a waist of time to engage in creation/evolution discussions. The science is already done!" they say. Thats why I am making it my business to start a youtube channel addressing scientific misunderstandings and going to local high schools to talk to the youth about the importance scientific understanding and thinking critically.
@An0xymoron127 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for literally saving society.
@browngreen933 Жыл бұрын
What is your channel?
@ValerianMacMillan3 жыл бұрын
"Those goose-stepping morons we love to hate..." Atun-Shei, you are a treasure!
@spamrice99143 жыл бұрын
When I was a small child I thought Atlantis was a place in New Jersey.
@zacharyh.95653 жыл бұрын
Actually it’s the capital of Georgia
@guanyu85393 жыл бұрын
I think it's near Paterson. I'm pretty sure Mugsy was from Atlantis, NJ.
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
Uhhhhh no? Atlantis is real and they made it into a really fun resort
@MirrorRealityHD3 жыл бұрын
Atlantic City?
@sto12383 жыл бұрын
No that’s Atlantic City. Atlantis is in Georgia duh
@kateriggall3 жыл бұрын
I'm not a historian but as an academic - some of us are also women or minorities and the internet is not always a friendly place. However, you are doing amazing work, please keep it up.
@jacobbretzin85633 жыл бұрын
you sir, deserve to have at least a million subscribers
@milescorporosus4058 Жыл бұрын
"Why are they saying that Plato made this up? Plato repeatedly states that it is a true story." Plato says _a lot_ of things.
@antonnurwald5700 Жыл бұрын
As a trained social scientist (who dropped the academic career) the part at 14:40 hits very close to home. I experienced this situation where a group of young scholars decried the terrible injustices of the academic system and their response was "hey, let's write a paper about it".
@thewizard73963 жыл бұрын
Francis Bacon ruined Plato's work when he wrote "new atlantis" and disregarded the whole point and message of the original piece, which is where alot of the misconceptions also come from.
@ktheterkuceder68253 жыл бұрын
Like when Bram stoker wrote Dracula and destroyed the image of a resistant fighter into that of a vampire?
@buriedalive31923 жыл бұрын
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Dracula most probably wasn't based on Vlad III if that is what you mean. That was a myth created in the 50s and 70s before the author's notes were found. As it turns out, he just did what any fiction writer does, and looked for cool names near the setting he wanted for his book, Transylvania. That is how he got to Wallachian voivodes, amongst whom he found a few with the name Dracula. The name signifying courage, and strength and meaning something like Devil made him choose it most probably. Of course we don't know what exactly inspired him to choose the name, but it was most probably the following hundred years that cemented the connection between the two in popular culture.
@levongevorgyan67893 жыл бұрын
Plus if you listen to the guy talk, it’s clear that unless he is utterly bullshitting, he cannot be Vlad Dracula. He calls himself a drescendant if Atilla the Hun and a Szekely. It’s far more likely that this guy is a fictional descendant of the Dracula, named for his famous ancestor.
@autobotstarscream7653 жыл бұрын
@@ktheterkuceder6825 If the historical Dracula were a vampire overlord, he'd be like Blade but fighting terrorism. 😎
@ktheterkuceder68253 жыл бұрын
@@autobotstarscream765 I would watch the shit out of that.
@censored46803 жыл бұрын
"Where are the gods in the atlantis myth?" MAKING ATLANTIS AND INSTALLING THE KINGS AND SINKING IT
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
Right?! Like, Poseidon building and forming Atlantis and having sons with Cleito before eventually sinking Atlantis is like...ya know...the entire story of Atlantis
@covenawhite48553 жыл бұрын
The Athenian defeated the Atlantians with swords. In the second part of the text. It was because Plato wanted Athens to be like Sparta.
@forickgrimaldus83013 жыл бұрын
Gods: lets Bang and Boom Atlantis.
@autobotstarscream7653 жыл бұрын
@@covenawhite4855 So Plato was Zach Snyder?
@InquisitorThomas3 жыл бұрын
@@covenawhite4855 Also Athens was one of the younger Greek City States, and wouldn’t have even existed during the timeframe the story takes place.
@ParanormalEncyclopedia3 жыл бұрын
My radical fringe theory about Atlantis (well two actually): Either: 1. It was a fictional literary device invented by Plato that never existed 2. It was loosely inspired by a volcanic island in the Mediterranian with no special super tech or super magic
@Ashfielder3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, maybe the South will rise again, but you know what would really impress me? Atlantis rising again. That would take a real feat of buoyancy I’ll tell you that much.
@AccidentalNinja3 жыл бұрын
I admit I haven't actually read Plato, but I'd heard that the Atlanteans were descendants of Poseidon & he ultimately destroyed the island & the civilization, reducing it to an impassable mud shoal in the Atlantic just outside the Straits of Gibraltar. I mention this as Mr. Hancock said that the story doesn't mention the supernatural. Also, there is no such mud shoal.
@BaronVonQuiply Жыл бұрын
00:54 Ah,what a coincidence. I happen to be an actor. "At which restaurant?"
@goodluckgorsky34133 жыл бұрын
Imagine you write a fanfic and thousands of years ago people think it’s a real place “You see, VaushVidya, an ancient historian, wrote of the ‘coconut island’. A history of a civilization filled with exploit and carnal pleasure”
@owensmith29583 жыл бұрын
Thats one of the things that drew me here. The research and time put into these videos are not only entertaining, but very refreshing. Keep up the awesome work and "fighting the good fight" as Three Dog would say.
@Parmandur Жыл бұрын
My Plato professor said we would understand Plato better if we knew when he was laughing while writing.
@louthegiantcookie3 жыл бұрын
Atlantis is real, I saw Elvis there
@ballistictip93013 жыл бұрын
Sheet man are you John? I saw you somewhere there
@welfarecrusader68553 жыл бұрын
I hear Tupac visits occasionally as well.
@w.t.fpipedreamwithhopefull55383 жыл бұрын
I think one of the best counter claims to Atlantis is the transition of cave paintings to the stone work calendars of the agricultural societies. Thank you, I've never heard the Plato argument of Atlantis as an analogy.
@robertpatterson99432 жыл бұрын
I think white people were in the Americas first and they are covering up the bog mummies and won’t let us examine them I also KNOW that the Aniu people of Japan the original Caucasian inhabitants of the islands are real
@leighfoulkes72973 жыл бұрын
I've always bought into the idea that Atlantis was simply the Minoan civilization and pacifically the island Thera. Possibly reason why the history channel has taken on these crackpot stories and reality shows is because they can be categorized as entertainment. There was some ruling or law (I could be wrong) that allowed documentaries (educational) to be free on the internet and hence, if it is entertainment rather than educational, than you bypass those rules.
@jpheitman13 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that Atlantis was *inspired* by the Minoans on Thera, rather than being exactly the same thing. Like, if Thera was massive, in the Atlantic, super-duper old and ruled by demigods. Interesting about the entertainment/history rule; never heard of it before. Thanks for sharing that insight!
@3asianassassin2 жыл бұрын
That entertainment thing explains... a lot.
@18Hongo2 жыл бұрын
It has been suggested, although it seems even that isn't a likely explanation. Plato lived at a time when earthquakes and tsunamis had occurred in the recent history of the eastern Mediterranean, so the idea wouldn't have been too outlandish to him. He also lived at a time when these things were attributed to the actions of gods rather than geology, so coming up with a fictional place that was drowned by the sea probably wasn't the hardest bit of world-building he had to do.
@DarkLordoftheMeme2 жыл бұрын
The Minoan civilisation wasn't well document in Plato's time, and would have been largely mythologised, so Plato was probably putting his own spin on some well-established folklore.
@benschultz17842 жыл бұрын
I still believe the most likely candidate is Santorini. Remember scholars and historians believed Homer made up Troy until German archeologists discovered the remains of a city wall in Eastern Turkey in the 1890s, bringing the Minoan and Achaemenid civilizations of ancient Greece out of myth and into reality.
@chimp3po13 жыл бұрын
Of course Atlantis is real, I saw it in the documentary Stargate: Atlantis.
@kmrose3 жыл бұрын
I saw it another documentary too. It was called Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
I’ve BEEN to Atlantis. It’s in the Bahamas. I rode Atlantean water slides and ate Atlantean bisque. I even lost 80$ at the Atlantean casino.
@connorhernandez65703 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can’t believe the Atlantians love to water slide into sharks as a sacrificial ritual known as the leap of faith
@saadkhan11283 жыл бұрын
These independent youtubers, with punitive budgets teach better and more wholesome history then history channel with budgets of hundreds of thousands of dollars. More power to you Auten Shie
@vallytine9 ай бұрын
That use of the Manifest Destiny motif from Ravenous during the part about Donnely's downward descent is amazing
@rmk31553 жыл бұрын
*A philosopher makes a story to create a philosophical point., Hancock: This can not be so. Everyone else: Are you sure about that?
@CivilWarMan3 жыл бұрын
"I've been to ancient Roman palaces that were less opulent than the Robber Baron mansions of Newport, Rhode Island." You mean, the "summer cottages" (many of which were designed to basically be miniature versions of royal palaces of Europe)? That said, I don't know if it's fair to conclude that the likes of the Vanderbilts likely took opulence far beyond the likes of Bezos or Musk, since the homes of the latter are generally not open to the public, so it's hard to compare the relative extravagance of the two. Bezos's yacht with its own smaller support yacht (which itself has a helipad) just feels like a different brand of extravagant, but one of similar magnitude, as the Versailles-inspired dining room of Marble House.
@fruitygarlic36013 жыл бұрын
Looked up the dining room. Goodness gracious, it's like the inside of an intestine.
@FawfulDied3 жыл бұрын
Bezos also has a space yacht
@CMDR.Gonzo.von.Richthofen3 жыл бұрын
@@fruitygarlic3601 I just looked it up myself, and yeah-that room is gross🤮
@willrogers37933 жыл бұрын
@@fruitygarlic3601 While I wouldn’t go quite so far as to compare it to the inside of an intestine, I think it certainly fits into the category of “A Bit Much”.
@sterlingfink2810 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how the opening recreates the experience of trying to watch the History Channel with my pedantic friend Phil. (This is a compliment of the highest order.)
@Verdunveteran3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very interesting! There was a very similar type of "nationalistic history writing" in Europe during the renaissance, often using or refering to Atlantis to prove some sort or superiority over ones neighbouring countries. The Swedish "historian" and scientist Olof Rudbeck the older (1630 - 1702) for example wrote an historical work called "Atlantica" were he placed ancient Atlantis at Uppsala in Uppland, Sweden, and thus proving that the Kingdom of Sweden and it's people were suprior to others, especially superior to it's traditional enemies Denmark-Norway, Poland, Russian and some of the German states. He was working on the forth volume of "Atlantica" when he died in 1702 at the hight of power and geographical dominion of the Kingdom of Sweden. It three years into the Great Nothern War that would result in the decline of Sweden as one of Europes major military powers. Off course by modern standards "Atlantica" was nothing more than a pile of horseshit! It was even heavily critisized when it came out by some contemporary scollars. But back then, it was an important propaganda tool to claim Swedish superiority over it's advesaries and neighbours.
@vaiyt5 ай бұрын
Also in the same genre: the Romans and British making Iliad fanfic to make themselves descendants of Troy, the Irish coming up with a second Noah's Ark, and all the nations who claimed to be descendants of the Lost Tribes and thus the true chosen people.
@fuzzydunlop79283 жыл бұрын
So it’s basically “Fargo” but if people were so far removed that they had no clue the “Based on a true story” card was satire - so it’s just Fargo. How great would it be if there were folks centuries from now trying desperately to convince people that Fargo was once a real place, and the UFO at the end of season 2 was legit first contact.
@lyokianhitchhiker Жыл бұрын
The difference is that the writer of that show knew he was writing fiction. Plato didn’t.
@4rtie11 ай бұрын
I bought The Antediluvian World by chance on ebay because the title sounded cool, and _goddamn_ was it a trip. It really is the basis of most Atlantean theories, and _man_ its arguments absolutely crumble under modern thought.
@BarkyLondon3 жыл бұрын
2:42 that beautifully succinct rant that everyone on my Facebook feed needs to hear
@eurodoc63433 жыл бұрын
I really hope that centuries from now, historians don't think that History Channel documentaries represented our contemporary mainstream understanding of ancient times.
@stefanfilipovits213 жыл бұрын
....that’s a horrifying thought dude
@haldon12 Жыл бұрын
I only discovered Atun-Shei recently, and I love your videos. The 20 minute intro for a 13-minute video is delightfully on brand, and honestly quite enjoyable for me as someone who loves seeing the sources for my content. I am in the process of changing careers towards teaching history, and your videos are an honest inspiration to get off my ass and work for it, instead of bemoaning the history illiteracy that I see around me. Thank you for all you do.
@albineigengrau32123 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone else has an appreciation for The Mysterious Cities Of Gold.
@dezbiggs63633 жыл бұрын
I was introduced to you through checkmate Lincolnite series. When you said you weren't doing many more of those, i didnt think i'd like your channel outside of that series. Ive been very pleased with all the other content on your channel. Thank you for teaching me topics i never wouldve even thought about.
@shakespeareanstudent3 жыл бұрын
Watching this during hurricane Ida. I know I've never met you Andy, but thinking of you and your fellow New Orleans. Stay safe and let us know you are ok!