Audiophile Power Regenerator Repair (PS Audio Power Plant 300)

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Mend It Mark

Mend It Mark

Күн бұрын

Mark repairs a Power Plant 300 from PS Audio. This AC Regenerator has a blown output, and some dodgy behavior. Still not sure if you can actually hear any difference (I'll leave that debate for the audiophiles to fight over), but the grid electricty waveform is not getting any better.

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@AintBigAintClever
@AintBigAintClever Жыл бұрын
Hope you fitted an audiophile-grade relay with ion-infused twisted pair armature leads. That fuse needs to have cost at least fifteen quid, too :)
@ThePaulv12
@ThePaulv12 2 ай бұрын
Low oxygen copper in the windings - you can hear the difference.
@davidpowell1215
@davidpowell1215 6 күн бұрын
And make sure your fuse is fitted the right way round (it matters, apparently!).​@@ThePaulv12
@Gersberms
@Gersberms 4 күн бұрын
Of course. Cryo-treated, rhodium plated.
@electronicengineer
@electronicengineer 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Mark! I just stumbled upon your channel and I instinctively clicked on the subscribe button. Your troubleshooting and subsequent repair of this "smoke and mirrors/snake oil" AC power regenerator (seriously... how silly) was Top Notch. Color me impressed. BTW, Kapton tape used as an insulator is mildly acceptable, depending on the heat transfer coefficient requirement not needing to be moderately fast, however I take issue with this tape having the ability to be in the same league of thermally transmissive mica, Sil-pads, etc. Kapton tape is coated with adhesive on the sticky side (obviously) and the formulation of this glue does not address having any thermally transmissive properties at all. Just because the Kapton tape is a good insulator does not make it a good thermal conductor. In my opinion, using plain old school mica wafers or the newer Sil-pads will provide much faster heat transfer away from the BJTs and the speed at which the heat can be soaked away can be quite critical, when a lot of current passes through the active devices. Just my $0.02 worth of unsolicited concern. Thank you for the video and you did a beautiful job of repairing this "thing". Fred
@hoobsgroove
@hoobsgroove 2 жыл бұрын
was that relay powerful enough? it didn't look meaty enough.
@vicweast
@vicweast Жыл бұрын
I personally have experience with these "things", and know what positive improvements I can demonstrate in terms of noise-reduction and clarity. Have you used one are are you just convinced they are not worth it? If so why, pray tell...
@mattparker8747
@mattparker8747 Жыл бұрын
@@vicweast Let's just put it this way, I've never come across an audiophile who has any knowledge of electronics or physics...
@DevideNull
@DevideNull Жыл бұрын
@@vicweast If you want to fight, you can check out the Audio Science Review. Basically, it doesn't make any sense unless your device's circuitry doesn't use DC, but directly AC. Any normal circuit's DC side should not be affected by AC in any way unless there are major power surge or blackout.
@TheStuffMade
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
@@mattparker8747A good example is the late Siegfried Linkwitz (of Linkwitz-Riley filter fame) was a dedicated audiophile and an electronics engineer who designed instruments (Spectrum Analyzers etc) at Hewlett Packard for many years.
@andylewis3461
@andylewis3461 Жыл бұрын
To my experienced eyes, this whole thing smacks of having been (badly) repaired before hence the Kapton tape for SIL pad bodge. Kapton tape as SIL Pads, sorry not on my planet! Good video as usual chap, keep it up! A
@tomeasterbrook9486
@tomeasterbrook9486 Жыл бұрын
That solder sucker makes such a satisfying “nom nom nom” sound
@thomasmleahy6218
@thomasmleahy6218 Жыл бұрын
Num num num num...nummy.
@gminker
@gminker Жыл бұрын
You are quite talented. Grind a notch in the tube of your solder sucker for the iron tip to fit in and it will work better
@998cooper
@998cooper 2 жыл бұрын
Very Nice I'm sure Paul McGowan would be impressed.
@RickMahoney2013
@RickMahoney2013 8 ай бұрын
I don’t think so I believe he likes to work on his own equipment he’d want any of his secrets getting out into the world.
@TheChipburner
@TheChipburner Жыл бұрын
I think there is a much easier fix: just wire the output directly to the input, and the thing will do exactly the same job as before ;)
@jdlech
@jdlech Жыл бұрын
You put far too much faith in my local power company
@JasonLeaman
@JasonLeaman Жыл бұрын
NAILED IT !
@carlosfigueiredo8476
@carlosfigueiredo8476 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 No, you are wrong. The "thing" will do a better job than before.....
@bijukumarkn4626
@bijukumarkn4626 Жыл бұрын
😀😃😄
@sonyoledmasterrace6394
@sonyoledmasterrace6394 Жыл бұрын
true hater in his natural habitat! Says the arm chair audiophile that does nothing but look at what he can’t afford or have.😮
@sidjoyce5426
@sidjoyce5426 2 жыл бұрын
Another belter Mark..makes my day...more vintage please.
@johncorrigan2942
@johncorrigan2942 Жыл бұрын
Another masterclass in debugging and repair, thanks.
@johnmarchington3146
@johnmarchington3146 Жыл бұрын
Paul will be contacting you to do all the PS Audio servicing in the UK. (Just kidding). Another excellent video.
@mikeh6876
@mikeh6876 Жыл бұрын
Going way, way back to the first days of the PC, we would frequently have to give boards with an edge connector the "pink pearl" treatment. That is, using a Pink Prearl Eraser to clean the contacts. Worked wonders 90% of the time.
@pyromaniaman
@pyromaniaman 2 күн бұрын
Agree! That ISA style connector on the PCB side was heavily corroded and as it created the AC waveform, I'd be surprised if it wasn't that which caused the issue in the first place.
@gbmillergb
@gbmillergb Жыл бұрын
Hi, did the transistors actually use Kapton tape to transfer heat from the transistors to the heatsink? Because if it was used it might be the cause of the origional failure, Kapton tape does not have very good thermal conductivity. Btw I think the screws need to have a fine coat of snake oil to maintain the sonic properties of the power supply.
@hvdtoorn
@hvdtoorn Жыл бұрын
exactly what I thought!
@RetroTuna
@RetroTuna Жыл бұрын
i was type typing the same thing when i seen your post super odd.
@ebaystars
@ebaystars Жыл бұрын
@@RetroTuna nah you HAVE to replace all the capacitors with space-qualified, anti beta radiation ones, and they have a gold foil / kapton dielectric layer between their vaiorus hiss and click sonic-proofing layers, thanks for the tip I just realised I can use Kapton tape for picture framing as it wont melt in Thailand :-) (PS we got plenty of snakes here)
@Tokaisho1
@Tokaisho1 Жыл бұрын
I think someone was in this before
@normanbott
@normanbott 10 ай бұрын
The snake oil only comes with NEW gear, it's factory installed. Once opened the magic is gone.
@graemeguthrie2054
@graemeguthrie2054 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was interesting to see that waveform clipped before you worked your magic on the PS Audio unit. I have never seen capton tape used before in that way and I worked in electronic manufacturing a long time. As you say there must have been a reason for it. Love your videos.
@gordonwelcher9598
@gordonwelcher9598 Жыл бұрын
Mica insulators will give a grainy, mineral sound. The audio characteristic of silicone is too soft and rubbery. Kapton will produce a clear tight sound with solid bass and treble. Unfortunately beryllium oxide will cause severe attenuation of high frequencies and make your high end setup sound like a cheap telephone. Of course diamond is the superior heat transfer material of choice and produces no noticeable coloration, it is the best if you can afford it. Vacuum tube amplifiers do not require heat transfer pads. That is one of the reasons they have a superior sound
@peterallen8413
@peterallen8413 Жыл бұрын
@@gordonwelcher9598 Spoken like a true audiophile.....Cough!
@smcic
@smcic Жыл бұрын
🤣
@gordonwelcher9598
@gordonwelcher9598 Жыл бұрын
@@peterallen8413 At low frequencies the heat is produced in waves. Inappropriate transient properties of the heat transfer material will cause the bass to be severely distorted due to thermal effects on the output transistor junctions. Nonlinear dielectric loss in the stray capacitance will affect the high frequencies. Tighter clamping will make a noticeable improvement in sound.
@chimpana
@chimpana Жыл бұрын
@@gordonwelcher9598 I'd love to see a double blind test for that woo woo!
@ferraridinoman
@ferraridinoman Жыл бұрын
Can't beat a bit of a smile with Young Marko!! Great Stuff!
@williamjones4483
@williamjones4483 Жыл бұрын
Way back in the day I dabbled quite a bit in electronics and I would run across a piece of equipment that had heatsinked power transistors. The manufacturers always used mica and heat sink paste.
@PebblesChan
@PebblesChan Жыл бұрын
I highly recommend that you upgrade & use a PACE SX-100 desoldering tool. It’s second to none & so good that you won’t know yourself. It uses extremely convenient disposable dross cartridges making its maintenance a breeze!
@ianhaylock7409
@ianhaylock7409 Жыл бұрын
Second to none, after the Metcal desoldering tool. Of course not many people can afford Metcal prices, and it requires a seperate compressor.
@drdyna
@drdyna Жыл бұрын
I've always loved that copper-chrome color of the kapton tape roll.
@loganhansen7665
@loganhansen7665 5 күн бұрын
DUDE!! just found your channel the other day and I am really enjoying your videos!! Thanks for taking the time to make these :)
@gtretroworld
@gtretroworld Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that this morning..unsure how audible of a improvement it would be but interesting all the same.👍
@thomasmleahy6218
@thomasmleahy6218 Жыл бұрын
Seems illogical to take the energy from the outlet, reduce that energy by powering an additional device designed to somehow to improve the performance even though total energy is reduced and possibly restricted, passing through myriad components. I would favor the "less is more" philosophy. Fewer components, less complex circuits, fewer possible points of failure, fewer components to fail. The KISS principle.
@tharkthax3960
@tharkthax3960 3 ай бұрын
I wish you were my neighbour. Great work!
@kanguruster
@kanguruster Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I found this channel. Delightful circuit repair ASMR with such calm and authoritative commentary; it's so relaxing and I just might learn enough to be able to repair my Arcam Alpha 9 integrated amp. Win-win!
@bobgrob4
@bobgrob4 5 ай бұрын
that thumbprint will make this ps a collectors item when Mark hits the bigtime.
@jamesplotkin4674
@jamesplotkin4674 6 сағат бұрын
I was hoping he would have wiped it clean.
@GeoffDavis1974
@GeoffDavis1974 Жыл бұрын
Notes: don't trust capaitors to discharge themselves. Cut legs from dead components to aid removal. Awesome video bud... 👌😎👍
@ebaystars
@ebaystars Жыл бұрын
after being off for 20 years ?
@GeoffDavis1974
@GeoffDavis1974 Жыл бұрын
@@ebaystars Glad you can put a time and date to the last charge cycle but when working as a psu repair engineer i saw lots of open circuit bleed resistors across the mains capacitors... 😁 If you do the math a perfect capacitor will never discharge so i guess its all down to leakage... 🤔
@ebaystars
@ebaystars Жыл бұрын
@@GeoffDavis1974 Im old enough to remember CRTS in TVs with HUGE voltages stored on the tubes flyback pin!! Did that thing actually have high voltages over it was it switched mode unit I didnt see a circuit ? looked linear in the main?
@GeoffDavis1974
@GeoffDavis1974 Жыл бұрын
@@ebaystarsme too, i used to repair those also. the charge is in the tube and the tube has capacitance. Same deal...
@josepeixoto3384
@josepeixoto3384 Жыл бұрын
just for general info, i just checked it º.º kapton tape, heat pass thru,used in the old days 0.1 W/mK better than notinng... silicone pads, used today 1.6 W/mK so, this is 16 times BETTER
@northernlightandsound
@northernlightandsound 6 ай бұрын
You have to account for the thickness though. If the silicone pads are more than 16 times thicker than the Kapton tape, higher thermal conductivity won’t help.
@darylhudson777
@darylhudson777 4 ай бұрын
Back in the 1990's I was at a Best Buy and they had two large plasma screen televisions that back then cost $10,000 to $12,000 US each. There was a power supply with large VU meters between them and it filtered the line voltage for 1 of the tv's. It cost $400+ US. I could definitely tell the difference in the two televisions the one that was going through the filter was much clearer a picture.
@lethal_larry
@lethal_larry 4 ай бұрын
sure lol
@soudley8
@soudley8 9 ай бұрын
I wonder how many times his mum has to call him, to come in for his tea. Great content, can't stop watching , what a perfectionist , thank you Mark
@Langendimi555
@Langendimi555 Жыл бұрын
Why did I only now find this channel? Love it, subscribed!
@digitalradiohacker
@digitalradiohacker Жыл бұрын
I'd have put a couple of internal Wago connectors in it to jumper the input to the output, nicked the magnetics for my windowsill collection, and stuck a housebrick in it to make up for the wieght loss. What kind of mutant would take a rotational machine generated sine and then use an approximated copy of it "for audiophile purposes"? Really - If your amp can't deal with the odd powerline glitch, bin the sodding thing. (Deep breath) - Nice repair.
@normanbott
@normanbott 10 ай бұрын
That's generally the opinion of Amir from Audio Science Review. And mine too. PS Audio stuff is vastly over priced .
@stephenyoud6125
@stephenyoud6125 Жыл бұрын
Another Excellent repair ( and my second viewing of yr videos) I've been avoiding buying ones of these for my Linn systems but maybe I should get one. Also - Re: the Kapton tape, Linn use Mica wafers on the Klout Power amps between the Sanken Trannies and the heat sink block and this is supposed to have improved the sound quality when introduced as a factory enhancement. I'm starting to binge watch you.. instead of getting on with my own projects. Look what you made me do !
@Wizardofgosz
@Wizardofgosz Жыл бұрын
They're great if you want to waste a lot of money and help Paul buy another Tesla.
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Жыл бұрын
It'll warm up your room and increase revenue for the power company. If you believe that Linn know how to design audio circuits then you can safely assume they also know how to design a PSU that'll work just fine over the limits of what the power grid delivers.
@stephenyoud6125
@stephenyoud6125 Жыл бұрын
@@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy would hope so, but my old dealer in Switzerland still used external Power conditioners, I think from Isotek. I was considering a TORUS TOT MAX for my main Music system and something else for my Home Cinema room once its up and running. But would be good to get a spectrum analyser on the mains first to see how clean or dirty it is. I know a guy who might be able to look at that for me.
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Жыл бұрын
@@stephenyoud6125 Any properly designed equipment will work fine on the standard mains. Hifi dealers like to sell more stuff, whether or not it does anything useful. Edited to fix spelling mistake.
@zimbab5748
@zimbab5748 2 жыл бұрын
Fabulous work Mark. Thanks for the vid.
@jblesser
@jblesser 2 жыл бұрын
Impeccable work!
@Lenny-kt2th
@Lenny-kt2th Жыл бұрын
1:00 That sinewave shape was like that thirty years ago, so IMHO has little to do with "modern" electronics. Conventional power supplies are just as guilty in taking power at the peak of the sinewave as switched mode power supplies are. I'm not too worried about the slightly distorted mains sinewave, my audio (and other) devices turn it into a regulated DC supply first anyway.
@erikbertram6019
@erikbertram6019 Жыл бұрын
Its not actually the switched mode bit of the power supply that does that, its the rectifier, which has been used forever. SMPS can inject distortion into the net, just not harmonic distortion. Nowadays, there is more regulation on the distortion a supply is allowed to make, so I would imagine it would only get better, as long as we don't collectively buy unregulated imported electronics, which tend to omit most of the improvements, like power factor correction and EMI filters.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
Yes, I get a nice waveform out of a ferroresonant converter, which also has a nice advantage that rectifier diodes run cooler due to the flat topped waveform, and it makes for a really good mains filter as well, surviving a few cycles of drop out with no hassle..
@chimpana
@chimpana Жыл бұрын
Almost as if audiophile kit is expensive snake oil!
@theDanMicWebshow
@theDanMicWebshow 2 жыл бұрын
"I'm not electroboom" is the best part of this video🤣
@gordonwelcher9598
@gordonwelcher9598 Жыл бұрын
He is just as funny when he gets zapped. He even swears sometimes.
@gordthor5351
@gordthor5351 Жыл бұрын
I like your method of adding solder and heat from the back to avoid pulling pads off on the backside.
@nlaurilind2205
@nlaurilind2205 5 ай бұрын
i agree!
@BigEightiesNewWave
@BigEightiesNewWave Жыл бұрын
Imagine him and Mr. Carlson having a conversation.
@AstrosElectronicsLab
@AstrosElectronicsLab Жыл бұрын
I can't believe I watched a man stick Kapton tape on transistors for five minutes... lol. Cool video. New subscriber.
@thomasmleahy6218
@thomasmleahy6218 Жыл бұрын
He has many other interesting and satisfying performances, stay tuned. Loved the audiophool bits, interesting and entertaining. I have seen and read of such things and find humor in it, although many are quite vexed.
@fluffyblue4006
@fluffyblue4006 Жыл бұрын
Audiophile Power Regenerator Repair. Great vid, thanks. Subscribed. The kapton tape will run the transistors slightly hotter, for an accurate warm sound reproduction with a vintage touch. It will make silicon sound like electron valve vacuum tubes. Further optimizations for a vintage HiFi experience include the omission of the gold-plating, most notably at the connection of the sine board. This feature will ensure that this unit's process of becoming of age will closely resemble to how the rest of your vintage equipment will develop with time.
@chimpana
@chimpana Жыл бұрын
🤣
@chimpana
@chimpana Жыл бұрын
and all that before the conversion to DC! Remarkable.
@ebaystars
@ebaystars Жыл бұрын
I always use 2.5 mm cooker cable to run to my speakers to ensure a pure warm sound all the way to the little Tannoy coils
@Rondo2ooo
@Rondo2ooo 11 ай бұрын
You have a hidden talent for writing articles in audiophile magazines. ;-)
@marcusharmon8389
@marcusharmon8389 6 ай бұрын
This is why people like Sennheiser provide separate psu for their 50 grand plus headphones etc nice clean power plus the old tubes look awesome!!!
@LJJKD1947
@LJJKD1947 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely love the channel for your wayyy in depth repairs,BUT ,cant agree on kapton tape for heat sink insulators, need thermal conductivity along with electrical isolation.
@absurdengineering
@absurdengineering Жыл бұрын
Perhaps the point of Kapton tape is no need for thermal grease. It will creep into the surface roughness to do the job pretty well. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it used by others. Myself I got this idea some 15 years ago and it has saved many a paper towel from cleaning the grease :) It outperforms mica thermally, that much I know. Maybe not as robust very long-term? So far it’s not failed me once on my projects. Some are under power day-round.
@BenState
@BenState Жыл бұрын
no
@Yreq
@Yreq Жыл бұрын
I used to work in notebook service and kapton tape has been used always to cover nearby elements from heat while soldering and/or electrical insulation, but never this way. Like William J. wrote. "mica plates" is the way to keep stuff cool and isolated.
@prillewitz
@prillewitz Жыл бұрын
I like it! For the initials alone already!
@maxtrue9744
@maxtrue9744 Жыл бұрын
I use a CVT (Constant Voltage Transformer) to do this job. It works very well and is a passive device. CVTs are expensive as well.
@ChipGuy
@ChipGuy 2 жыл бұрын
You know who could use that for it's ability to output 60 Hz? TECHMOAN! he could plug the step down transformer into the output and then generate some real 115V/60 Hz.
@MattTester
@MattTester 2 жыл бұрын
Good thinking, this would be ideal for Mat. Didn't occur to me when I was watching the repair.
@ShainAndrews
@ShainAndrews Жыл бұрын
Who?
@ChipGuy
@ChipGuy Жыл бұрын
@@ShainAndrews Enter "techmoan" into the youtube search field. Usually the first entry gets you to the channel.
@DarronBirgenheier
@DarronBirgenheier Жыл бұрын
@@ShainAndrews www.youtube.com/@Techmoan/videos
@allandenman9387
@allandenman9387 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. I must say that watching your videos makes me envy the way you tackle such a wide variety of devices. You are a true professional. It's great to see you are able to put your hands on all the parts required and your test equipment is so comprehensive. Keep up the good work. Personally I would like to see you tackle one of those horrible little Denon mini reciver/cd players and their ilk.(model numbers escape me at this moment) Kind regards Allan 😃
@gordthor5351
@gordthor5351 Жыл бұрын
The only thing that makes your audio sound better than the loud (unnecessary) fan on the magical AC generator, is when all that pretty AC current enters your amp and almost instantly gets chopped up into DC via a bridge rectifier. Oh well, it was pretty well it lasted until the bridge rectifier destroyed your beautiful artwork AC snake oil. If audiophiles spent a little time learning the basics of electronics, they wouldn't spend a dime on useless snake oil products. If you can't reliably tell the difference in a blind A/B test, than any perceived gains only exist in your head (the placebo effect). Better sound quality comes from spending your money on the few things that actually make a difference. Better amp, preamp, DAC, speakers, room treatment.....
@digitalradiohacker
@digitalradiohacker Жыл бұрын
There is a guy here who SWEARS that the kapton tape makes the transistor run hotter, giving the audio a "warm sound" with more "width" and "depth". ROFL My speakers at home are connected to my amp with old leftover ethernet cable, and I don't care.
@robertromero8692
@robertromero8692 Жыл бұрын
Yes, a double blind test is the true measure of whether it makes a difference.
@dh-_1011
@dh-_1011 Жыл бұрын
But what about my depth of field getting bigger? And my warmer punchy round bass? And silky yet transparent mids? And the smooth yet accurate treble? And my stereo field widening? And the fact that my tubes last longer? My $1000/ft speakers cables are at 90• bends for perfect sine wave conductivity. And yes I did make sure my power cables cost at least $5000 and they are most definitely directional. This magic box is a MUST in any serious system. Get with it, bruh!! /s
@gordthor5351
@gordthor5351 Жыл бұрын
@@dh-_1011 Haha! I tried one of those directional power cables and it sounded amazing, but it wasn't worth the trouble of having to switch the cable ends around 60 times per/sec, so AC current could flow both ways.
@dh-_1011
@dh-_1011 Жыл бұрын
@@gordthor5351 It’s a labour of love, it’s all about tOaN!!!!!!!!
@SlinkyStoney
@SlinkyStoney Жыл бұрын
I don't know but after all, it will be converted to DC anyways. But if your TT is using an AC motor, then that would work great 👍
@antcollins6594
@antcollins6594 2 жыл бұрын
Hi - easier to remove the transistor if you snip the pins first. You can then remove the pins one at a time without needing to overheat (and possibly lift) the pads. I'd also be worrying about clearances to the case around the capton tape. Presumably those power devices are at mains voltage - pretty sure there isn't 5mm of clearance there. In fact the position of the screws make that impossible - as far as I can see.
@hashtag-shaneiacs
@hashtag-shaneiacs 2 жыл бұрын
Never thought of this, thanks! Of course do this only if I’m sure the semiconductor is faulty or else I’ll snip off a good one n can’t test whether it’s ok or not
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
Do not think the amplifier runs at mains, likely around 70V rails, with one power transformer doing the input and the other 2 the output sockets, each separate.
@ivolol
@ivolol Жыл бұрын
Don't trust audio engineers to get normal electrical safety standards correct 🤣
@thomasmleahy6218
@thomasmleahy6218 Жыл бұрын
​​@@ivolol How dare you!! I'm shocked, shocked!! (Apologies to Claude Rains). ⚡⚡😂
@cmonkey63
@cmonkey63 2 жыл бұрын
Flooding the connections with solder does work, but I've lifted thinner PCB traces doing that. Boo! on me. This looks like a robust power circuit board, so safer to do. Just have to be careful. Nice to find the core problem so quickly, though. (I swear I can smell the flux in every one of these videos, ha ha.)
@isthkar123
@isthkar123 11 ай бұрын
lovely video mark again
@johnbravo7542
@johnbravo7542 4 ай бұрын
I bought one of those PS Audio Power regenerator used,and I use it as a boat anchor.
@vicweast
@vicweast Жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful video Mark! I'm 67 and have occasionally done a bit of hands-on electronics and wiring, your videos are interesting in terms of professional technique/tips-to-be-gleaned! BTW, I love the PS Audio regenerators, they make an actual qualitative difference in the sound from my systems.
@AndyG-k7g
@AndyG-k7g Жыл бұрын
Nope - Please review kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJbMo4xvqaiShLc HTH
@brandonburr4900
@brandonburr4900 Жыл бұрын
Good to see o e of Paul's pieces put back into service after years of use. I thought the unit was from the mid 90s when Paul was trying to put back the company on the map after he bought it back (after having sold it). This was one of the first products to really get ps audio going in the direction they are today. They made bigger versions of the the 600 and and 1200 I think for powering various audio pieces. Seen a number of these needing work and it's interesting why these transistors fail and that scorched relay. Only seen a couple of your videos but their fun, inspiring and educational. Just curious if you do any videos on things for beginners like soldering tips, general advice on measuring and tech tips? Thanks from the USA!
@kazuviking
@kazuviking Жыл бұрын
PS Audio made money buy scamming uneducated old "idiots".
@brucenicoll4373
@brucenicoll4373 Жыл бұрын
It is nice to see I am a fan of ps from New Zealand
@cda32
@cda32 Жыл бұрын
Only audiophiles would pay twice as much for an online UPS without the batteries.
@GeekLabsMusic
@GeekLabsMusic Жыл бұрын
I was about to ask, despite the obvious irrelevance of the mains line condition once it's rectified... Wouldn't an UPS do the same thing... Maybe not be able to switch the frequency though.
@sonyoledmasterrace6394
@sonyoledmasterrace6394 Жыл бұрын
I think he got a deal since it’s used Einstein.😂
@iantyler4045
@iantyler4045 Жыл бұрын
I was shouting at the screen "Check the emitter resistors" Maybe you did off camera but with shorted output transistors something would have to give and it wasn't the fuse.
@Bednar121
@Bednar121 4 ай бұрын
Well, disregarding all the snakeoil comments, cuz there's already enough said about that... Beautiful video! I really do enjoy watching You repair all those things
@Bednar121
@Bednar121 4 ай бұрын
Oh, nevermind, they're held on by a clamp, not individual screws. Disregard that tip then, it only makes sense when the transistors are held by individual screws
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Жыл бұрын
In the real world this device only has value if you live between a steel mill and a welding shop, but it's nicely made nonetheless.
@Wizardofgosz
@Wizardofgosz Жыл бұрын
And even then it won't do anything.
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Жыл бұрын
@@Wizardofgosz Yeah you're right, if the steel mill is chomping whole cycles out of your mains then this contraption probably won't even work and your flickering lights are likely to be a bigger concern.
@qddk9545
@qddk9545 Жыл бұрын
Try to make a voltage divider and put your mains out into a scope, and you will see how distorted it is.
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Жыл бұрын
@@qddk9545 Sure, but distortion of the mains doesn't translate into distortion of the audio.
@Wizardofgosz
@Wizardofgosz Жыл бұрын
@@qddk9545 Yes? And? Then this miraculous thing happens. The AC gets rectified and FILTERED through this thing called a POWER SUPPLY, and the power comes out as clean DC. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2O3aH18gayfnJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3qTaJV8odmYn8k
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 күн бұрын
_THANK YOU_ for *NOT* being "electroboom" !
@nudebaboon4874
@nudebaboon4874 Жыл бұрын
Great video Mark.👍
@saarike
@saarike Жыл бұрын
Excellent repair!!
@bruceinoz8002
@bruceinoz8002 Жыл бұрын
Basically a UPS (sans batteries) with an "audiophile" price?
@petesmith2234
@petesmith2234 Жыл бұрын
What a pointless piece of kit, but I suppose someone must buy them. The story of the king’s new clothes comes to mind. As many have said, it’s converted to DC anyway and that’s all the amp see’s. All it really wants is a good low impedance supply which doesn’t sag under load, such as that available from a standard 13Amp socket. All this device can do is raise the impedance. If it were able to lower it, it would be possible to pull more power (for the same voltage) than it’s drawing from the mains, which is clearly impossible. Any conventional power supply only pulls current towards the waveform peaks anyway, which is what leads to the distortion in the first place. If anything, the slightly flat topped waveform will reduce the peak currents in the rectifier and probably prolong its life. The output waveform looks great with a small constant resistive light bulb load. I’d like to see what it does in the real world powering an amp with constantly changing load and phase angle. I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t look any better than the raw mains, not only that, but it would also be constantly ‘on the move’ as well and would also inflict the same wobbly supply on any source equipment. The option of 55Hz is totally bizarre. 55Hz is not used on a properly functioning mains supply anywhere in the world. If you were that worried about the quality of your mains, why on earth would you want a non standard frequency? It seems to me, if you really need one of these, you should have bought audio equipment which was properly designed in the first place.
@DrTune
@DrTune Жыл бұрын
exactly this ^^
@chimpana
@chimpana Жыл бұрын
Audiophiles' brains and wallets don't work that way. They'd strap a tortoise to their amps if someone wrote a convincing article it would help with sound quality.
@petesmith2234
@petesmith2234 Жыл бұрын
@@chimpana I have a giraffe on mine, I read somewhere it improves the high end.
@ebaystars
@ebaystars Жыл бұрын
nah the company should have made Tempest Grade isolation devices (for that ultimate red-black transition) and filters then they would have made zillions from the military
@B3ARCAT
@B3ARCAT Жыл бұрын
@@chimpana I can think of a number of examples, but I think my favorite so far is audiophiles who use little wooden stands, like tiny 3” telephone poles every 2’ propping up their cables so that their speaker cabling and patch cables (oh, excuse me “interconnects”) do not make contact with their carpet or other flooring, because…that’s…bad. The person I first saw doing that spent 30 min trying to explain to me how much better his system sounded after this modification, and why, in pseudoscientific terms at least, it made such a huge difference to use his wood stands. It’s bizarre and hilarious. It’s woo-woo, almost like a set of supernatural beliefs. Makes me kind of sad, this sort of anti-scientific, non-evidence based approach, but I think the main thing that really drives me nuts about this is that it’s not even necessary because there’s so much great sounding, inexpensive consumer/prosumer and pro-audio gear available! I am a musician, producer/sound designer (and so is my brother), mostly video game music/soundtracks and sound effects, so I obviously enjoy good music, played on a system that is adequate. Audio engineering has long been an apprenticeship-based profession, starting with the “tea boy” role in older studios (or the “roadie” role - in touring and live concert production) so it used to be a bit more difficult to access the knowledge needed to work in our field without some sort of hands-on training…but these days, there are so many ways to learn about the concepts behind sound engineering, so the knowledge is easily available to almost anyone with internet access. I hope more “audiophiles” will realize they don’t even need all this expensive, often absolutely useless and absurd crap to hear their favorite recorded music, faithfully reproduced.
@Nephilim-81
@Nephilim-81 Жыл бұрын
What a great video. Thank you so much.
@nutsnproud6932
@nutsnproud6932 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing us along to the workshop. I guess some idiot overloaded the output and took the transistors out.
@TonyLing
@TonyLing Жыл бұрын
If I've got this correct, this audiofool device turns AC, into DC, DC into AC, so that your audio gear can then turn the AC into DC.
@pizzablender
@pizzablender Жыл бұрын
A DC ADC converted AC into DC bits AC would be converted to AC using a DC rail.
@WouterB76
@WouterB76 Жыл бұрын
I am thunderstruck.
@OhShitSeriously
@OhShitSeriously Жыл бұрын
A bit of silicone tubing cut on an angle makes a lovely slip-on flexible nozzle extension for those solder suckers. You get a nice seal over the iron tip and joint, which makes the vacuum much more effective, and the silicone isn't deformed by the heat of the iron.
@boofuls
@boofuls Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good idea 🙂
@francisinfante1335
@francisinfante1335 Жыл бұрын
i love youre channel sir phil collins
@gordonwelcher9598
@gordonwelcher9598 Жыл бұрын
I find that copper desoldering braid is very useful. It is always good to have It in your arsenal of desoldering aids. Sometimes it makes a brown mess on the board that has to be cleaned with alcohol.
@MikeDS49
@MikeDS49 Жыл бұрын
I was taught to use braid over a solder sucker by military electronics techs because there's less risk ripping off the pads. But if Mark uses one and he's had good luck with them, more power!
@gordonwelcher9598
@gordonwelcher9598 Жыл бұрын
The solder mask comes off if you are not careful.
@PebblesChan
@PebblesChan Жыл бұрын
That’s why I use a top notch PACE SX-100 desoldering tool! It’s the best desoldering tool I’ve ever used. It sucks all the solder from plated through holes as clean as a whistle & allows the desoldered component to literally fall out without causing any damage to the PCB.
@paulanderson7796
@paulanderson7796 Жыл бұрын
I have good ears (I am a musician) and I listen to good equipment indoors. The true audiophiles tell me I won't hear any difference with a device like this because my modest (by their standards) equipment isn't resolving enough detail. I am using about £1200 worth of amplification and speakers, which isn't exactly cheap. But surely, if someone is spending £10,000 on a component, you'd expect the power supply stage to be sufficiently well engineered that a power regenerator should not be necessary?
@billmilosz
@billmilosz Жыл бұрын
No matter what kind of dodgy AC line power comes in to audio gear, the power supply in the audio equipment will clean it up- nothing bad will reach the speakers. These AC power conditioners do nothing to improve sound quality- everything it might do is down to placebo effect.
@DeadKoby
@DeadKoby Жыл бұрын
I'm a hobby level tech.... and I'm proud of myself that I mentally said... Clean the card's contacts! before it malfunctioned.
@hrmny_
@hrmny_ Жыл бұрын
interesting that this uses powercon for the power input, that's generally only used in the pro audio space, not by audiophiles they also don't use speakon for no good reason in the hifi space, it's much superior to screw terminals or banana plugs
@PINKFL0YD-s2h
@PINKFL0YD-s2h Жыл бұрын
I love it when you get quality hifi stuff to peep in!!
@Andrew-rc3vh
@Andrew-rc3vh Жыл бұрын
A god trick with removing power transistors is to put enough solder on so it bridges adjacent pins and then heat the whole thing up, or 2/3 and then leaver it from side to side.
@summerforever6736
@summerforever6736 Жыл бұрын
Nice work boss!
@RickMahoney2013
@RickMahoney2013 8 ай бұрын
Paul Mc Gowan is or would have a heart attack watching someone else work on his equipment. If you know anything about him he doesn’t sell his equipment in stores and always talks about if you have and problems with his equipment send it to them to repair. 😢
@mikemattingly2859
@mikemattingly2859 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid!
@VegasVaron
@VegasVaron Жыл бұрын
Based on poor reviews of PS Audio power products (e.g. from Audio Science Review channel) not too sure this unit was worth repairing. I enjoyed the video though. Nice work!
@jamesrindley6215
@jamesrindley6215 Жыл бұрын
The product is based on flawed concepts and appeals to people who don't understand how PSUs work. It's not necessary to have a perfect sine wave supply and any well designed PSU will handle any grid supply that's within the spec limits. It might just make sense to use this if you have a turntable with a synchronous AC motor, but even then, the grid doesn't wow and flutter much because generation equipment has huge turbines with huge flywheels. Of course there are "reviewers" claiming they can hear differences, but the same loons also claim they hear the difference between two brands of banana plugs on the speaker cable, or different types of stands used to support the amplifier. There's one born every minute.
@frizzlefry1921
@frizzlefry1921 Жыл бұрын
​@@jamesrindley6215 You need old growth oak to hold you're speaker cables off the carpet or you'll introduce harmonic distortion from the carpet pad... 😂
@jamesrindley6215
@jamesrindley6215 Жыл бұрын
@@frizzlefry1921 Good point, and don't forget your cryogenically conditioned gold plated mains fuses.
@LaLaLand.Germany
@LaLaLand.Germany Жыл бұрын
Heij Buddy, I just wonder: You have the most beautiful measuring stuff and still desolder like a cave man? I do way less fiddeling than You but I didn´t want to put up with that anymore so I bought a desolder station, a zd 915. Applied the overvoltage mod in form of a step down converter in place of some load resistors switched in line with the pump and fan- works splendid. The poor fan gets 18 volts, it´s dragged down by the load of the pump to 12 volts. Now with the converter it´s at 12,5 volts all the time and the pump starts up instant. This thing really sucks now and is way quieter as before. A good machine.
@FlatBroke612
@FlatBroke612 Жыл бұрын
I bet that the clipped mains by having more DC component would have LESS ripple after going through any half decent amplifiers rectifier and filter caps... audiofools will Buy anything.
@Kwaq84
@Kwaq84 Жыл бұрын
Kapton as a thermopad? Bad idea... While electrically insulating it not only conduct heat poorly, but also quickly degrade when exposed to high temperature - that may cause shorts to heatsink. There is way better stuff specially designed for that role, for using at mains potential, too, if that's the case.
@jimklyman9602
@jimklyman9602 Жыл бұрын
Love the part snooping and replacement, one question - how the heck do you source the replacement parts when they are so old. Heck I have problems with getting parts that are only 5 years old, let alone DIP chips and specialty relays !
@RickMahoney2013
@RickMahoney2013 8 ай бұрын
Get em from Paul Mc Gowan.
@bytemyvoid
@bytemyvoid Жыл бұрын
capton tape is thermal insulator, so uve insulated transistors from heatsink.
@oso3470
@oso3470 Жыл бұрын
I Like to see your Electtonics Lab, Now I suscribe in your channel ❤
@asicdathens
@asicdathens 11 ай бұрын
To those audiophiles that say they prefer valves because the sound is "warmer" I reply back so you prefer distorted sound? Distorted is so dirty word for the audiophools. This device reminds me why there are people that spend 12000$ on a LAN cable (Audioquest Diamond LAN cable)
@Sum_Tings_Wong
@Sum_Tings_Wong 5 ай бұрын
Paul will tell you straight up that valves colorize the sound. If that is your preference they have a product. If it is not your preference they have a product.
@JasperJanssen
@JasperJanssen Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the gaping hole used to house a fan-shaped filter?
@pauldavies6037
@pauldavies6037 Жыл бұрын
Great and lucky repair could have been a nightmare all those TR's perhaps arcing relay contacts caused the fault
@sw6188
@sw6188 Жыл бұрын
Pure snake oil, for which audiophools will empty their wallets in a heartbeat. "Shut up and take my money!" 🤣
@torugonza
@torugonza 8 ай бұрын
En Argentina se venden aparatos que hacen el mismo trabajo, los llamamos UPS
@tomthompson7400
@tomthompson7400 Жыл бұрын
You may just be the man ,,, Ive an old Technics cd player , the big bulky studio one , the cd does not spin , common wisdom is that its two capacitors an the cd motor drive board , are you the man to look at it .. thanks T
@markchisholm2657
@markchisholm2657 2 күн бұрын
I think we need a video demonstrating how a 1m 'special' power cable can noticeably improve sound quality despite the previous four miles of power cable from the local substation is arse basic copper 3ph stuff.
@jim5148
@jim5148 Жыл бұрын
I have never seen such a distorted incoming AC sinewave. I guess I'm lucky.
@freeelectron8261
@freeelectron8261 9 ай бұрын
Kapton has high thermal resistance, the opposite of what you want for a power device heat sink washer. But given power transistors have heatsink top and bottom it might not matter.
@MadScientistsLair
@MadScientistsLair Жыл бұрын
GOOD equipment won't generate audible noise until the distortion becomes quite high indeed, on the order of 25-35% or so. (ie, square wave input!). Truly proper kit will eat even that and perform within spec. The main issue with square wave and clipped sine wave power is audible harmonics being generated by the magnetics themselves (transformer hum and hiss) and potentially lower capacity of those magnetics due to partial saturation though any reasonable kit should have enough headroom to deal with
@ebaystars
@ebaystars Жыл бұрын
i really enjoyed watching this , the RS solder sucker, the whole job, great, I did spot the PCB dirty edge before you popped it in lolz, I have a 5kG roll of pre EU BS Ersin Multicore not for sale, never knew the audio freaks regenerated their mains like that phew!! Best wishes and happy desoldering from Thailand the land of the dodgy two wire mains and chinese electronic crap...
@pickle5051
@pickle5051 Жыл бұрын
This dude is awesome. Wish I had his diag skills
@leonidbreshnew401
@leonidbreshnew401 2 жыл бұрын
Come on, kapton tape insulates heat!!!!! It's used for screening areas from. hot air. Why, why, why ???????????
@weyayemanjoe3082
@weyayemanjoe3082 Жыл бұрын
❤ Your Channel mate👍
@imac3355
@imac3355 Жыл бұрын
Great repair Mark, I had one of these years ago and the monster P600. Anyone serious about audio quality this is where you start before upgrading equipment. Sadly the new units offer more power and run cooler but at the cost of purity :(
@djkamilo66
@djkamilo66 Жыл бұрын
the kapton tape is what's killing those transistors, kapton tape is a good thermal INSULATOR, not a conductor, and judging how some of the components are MELTED (and you did left them melted in there) this thing is running HOT. the kapton tape (without thermal paste in one side mind you) and the fact that theres a mod to lower the fan speed plus a missing one means this repair is just not gonna last. really wish you added propper insulators there, changed the melted ones and let the fan run how it shouldm factory doesnt really mean good.
@DrTune
@DrTune Жыл бұрын
Mark could've done the owner a huge favour by just wiring the input mains to the output mains and bypassing the whole stupid thing, then charging the owner $1k for the repair. Massive increase in efficiency, reduction in fan noise, etc, and the owner still gets a nice heavy expensive brick thing to feel good about showing off to people.
@cobbler40
@cobbler40 Жыл бұрын
I used to repair to component level in the 70s mainly using standard parts. To replace a circuit board if it was available was uneconomic and an admission of failure. Certainly kept your brain active.
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