Audiovisual demonstration of crossplane 4 cylinder engine firing order Yamaha R1 2009+

[@ldmcnutt]

Wow. It's amazing how close this sounds to the real engine across the entire rpm range. Inline 4 cars need to use this firing order. It sounds amazing.

[@user-vs7sb9wg2r]

Larz This prototype of engine is un balanced unlike the normal inline 4.

[@zahrulexe]

Larz yeah this would make inline 4 engines sounds powerful

[@aerowenn]

Prototype engine? You mean a crossplane 4? Yamaha has been building and selling a bulletproof one for years now for its R1.

[@650hpreventon]

The reason yamaha using this because racing, so a normal grocery getter don't need it.

[@BuffMyRadius]

@@650hpreventon I don't want a normal grocery getter though. I want a grocery getter that goes fast and sounds like this.

[@1delsol]

If all I4s had crossplane cranks, everybody would love them so much more.

[@GoGoggansGo]

Nick Darlington unfortunately it won’t happen, Yamaha gained nothing and i mean nothing by going to a cross plane crank and even then it’s till not a true cross plane per say, they did it in moto gp for traction reasons and it sounds cool lol. It’s a big marketing scheme the same way Ford went on and on about the flat plane crank in the gt350 even though it did very little for the engine itself

[@motorpolitan8884]

@@GoGoggansGo Nothing? Many people bought R1s over others just because it's a crossplane.

[@WilliamMoser]

@Steven Goggans what do you mean it isn't a true cross plane crank? The voodoo crank is a bit weird but I don't know know if a conventional flat crank would make more power, surely someone has done a back to back of flat vs cross plane crank with all else being equal.

[@bakedandsteaked]

@@GoGoggansGoincorrect

[@Olppa]

Flatplane sounds much better

[@sinx2917]

0:15 hear in 0.25x speed (nice beat)

[@ellwindaniel9441]

Loll😂😂

[@ArunKumar-rd1bw]

Yup 😂

[@aldriey]

😂😂🔥🔥

[@MaexSmith]

🤣👌🏻

[@firstimeshooter6590]

Put put put put your hands up. And jump jump jump jump!!! 😂

[@feriobaggio]

real close to what a i4 crossplane was, im a big fan of uneven firing interval engine, distinctive sounds, good job!

[@MM1E]

I need like just a 10-hour loop video of that purring idle.

[@pAirA_]

You got it!

[@Mattsretiring]

That LEGIT sounds like my 2010 R1 with TBR race cans on it. All the way through the rev range. Spot on. Thanks for taking the time to do it

[@WilliamMoser]

This is one of the more proper sounding ones, thanks for taking the time to watch it!

[@budja1501]

crazy how it really hits that V8 note. I know it's basically half a V8 anyways, but still cool

[@ZuperPhresh]

Yo like even the idle is on point

[@launch4]

This legitimately made me smile when it reached about 3k revs. Like the kind of smile that really stretches your face muscles and makes your hair stand on end, like someone's scratching an itch you didn't know you had.

[@alexanderl7491]

1:07 when you're chilling at a stoplight

[@albertomotors6901]

I was waiting for VTEC to kick in

[@akuryostyleup]

everybody gangsta till the I4 starts makin V8 noises

[@MoarButtsecks]

This even sounds like an R1 too! Well done.

[@Hunter.1999]

Because R1 is based on crossplane i4

[@MJT-DA]

@@Hunter.1999 I’m pretty sure he was commenting how realistic it sounded it literally says r1 in the title captain obvious

[@ogyedanjuma7413]

Amazing how close it sounds like the real thing

[@markmessmer5756]

thats why i subscribed you because this is the best example for engine firing order sound ever, 2 days ago i was wishing for this to come and it happened, keep coming for the ducati or inline 3 and more, thank you so much what an educatonal channel

[@WilliamMoser]

The crossplane R1 had me scratching my head for a while, from the yamaha promo video it looked like the two centre big end journals were on the same axis at first, much simpler to visualise when I worked out it is just a fairly normal crossplane crank. Ducati V-twin needs to be done, inline 3 will happen at some stage but I need to work out a better way to do the sound for inlines, if there is anything specific you want to see let me know. Thanks for the sub!

[@markmessmer5756]

thank you so much, I'm so addicted to engine sounds and always finding an answer for the reason why engine sounds different, and it's like my dream that I found this video

[@bagusadikin7416]

mark messmer I like the R1 too it amaze me with its at low rev like a muscle car and i figure out that it is just a pause between the first and the 2nd firing i try it with beat maker app with 6 beats (the 2 aditional beats represent the two gap from the 1st and 2nd firing) just with single cylinder and simply take the 1st and 2nd firing has a 720° gap and also 720° gap to the 3rd, the 3rd and 4th are normal every 720° firing so it looks like this 1 - gap - 2 - gap - 3 - 4

[@bagusadikin7416]

William Moser mark messmer here is my video of uneven firing Single Cylinder kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXqlfIx9e7eYg5Y

[@ogyedanjuma7413]

@@bagusadikin7416 the gap btw the firing of cylinders 1 and 3 is three times that of 3 and 2 and also, twice that of 2 and 4. Mind bending but easy to figure out

[@krayzieegg7294]

If you want to impress people knowing the type of engine just by sound alone this is where you learn

[@szaboroland51]

Didn't know that there are crossplane 4 cyls existing. Holy smokes... sounds like a V8 for real.

[@Mu4dD1b15]

Search 2009+ Yamaha R1 with literally any exhaust, they all sound amazing.

[@user-vj4zw5ot2f]

Unmistakable unmatchable sound of the 1-3-2-4 sequence is music to my ears every morning I crank on it.

[@_baller]

Does sound like v8, they should use this firing order in all 4 cylinders and theyd make more sales...

[@user-vs7sb9wg2r]

tommy d u b b s cross plane I4s are unbalanced so manufacturers don't use them.

[@_baller]

lego technic but imagine the sales if they found a way

[@user-vs7sb9wg2r]

tommy d u b b s ppl wont buy a car just because it sounds very nice.

[@_baller]

Ppl already dont buy cars cuz they dont like the sound of a 4cyl... mustang turbo

[@user-vs7sb9wg2r]

Sportscars dont use small I4s and normal cars don't need good sound so a good sounding I4 isn't needed.

[@turyanle9450]

Didn’t expect a 4 cylinder engine to sound like a v8

[@shadowv6794]

So you don't have to pay that much money for a *V8* car, but just buy an *MT10* or an *R1* XD

[@nicksilvestri3645]

Would’ve thought this was an R1 if I closed my eyes

[@HorrorUberAlles]

Now I want a cross-plane crank on a K24 Honda engine. It'd be one hell of a sleeper.

[@octanedemon5548]

I love the 4k-6k rpm range of sound

[@Skitad]

The cross plane is definitely the best sound a 4 pistons engine can make.

[@alexoriginals]

Perfect!! It explains this sound.

[@rishikeshraj1138]

Ultimate man! Although it's a digital representation but still incredible explanation. Absolutely perfect and accurate ❤️

[@DoubleRRHonda]

How could anyone dislike this? Great work!!!

[@whatupcuh6722]

because it sounds different on video speakers to irl, they like flatplane because they never hear crossplane irl

[@krampp24]

The crazy thing is how close it sounds to the real thing

[@teej5619]

... it's even crazier that the real thing still has 5, 000-8,000 RPM left to run

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

actually, there is another crossplane 4 cylinder engine. the pontiac 195 cu in i4. it was half a 389 v8. it shook REAL BAD though.

[@tubeyouianzz]

That's ace, i have the CP4 engine in my yamaha mt-10 and it's spot on on, even that resonance at 7000 rpm which is very addictive, and goes like stink, i've ridden everything (almost) and this is the best engine ever put in a motorcycle for the road! and explains why it feels like a twin and lumpy, great though

[@maxharris4208]

And 5 years later, CP4 is still the best roadbike engine out there! And the best sounding inline 4, period. 😊

[@mrchaos1276]

Awesome! Truly sounds like an R1. Any chance of a video for the Aprilia’s 65 degree V4

[@ohn9ne]

I have a 2019 MT10. This made me start giggling like a child it sounds so real. I love my crossplane.

[@WilliamMoser]

Haha awesome

[@YZFMANIAC08]

I love this video so much you cant even fathom

[@WilliamMoser]

cheers!

[@10fantic]

Sounds like an r1!

[@acasualweeb.2394]

yes, because R1 IS using the crossplane crankshaft

[@guigao28]

I was looking for this comment, 2009+ R1 got the crossplane, and the YZR M1 (motogp model) also got the crossplane since before but I don't know which year exactly it started

[@DG-EditsYT]

My dog was particularly interested in this the first time because i listened to so many he fell asleep 😂

[@Shubhamdandekar]

Sir, your videos are very informative as well as entertaining. Plus, the resemblance of sound that your setup generates to the actual engine is just next to perfect. I have a request. Can you please make a video on your setup showing how it is, how you built it, the parts, the rpm controllers and stuff please. I really am very curious to know. Thanks alot.

[@WilliamMoser]

Cheers! The setup is a bit tricky to explain, it's just Arduino, a transistor array, lights and speakers. The tacho is a normal one driven by a pulse from the Arduino.

[@szymon6207]

17k rpm ?

[@Rugerman205]

Sounds like a Corvette that shrank in the wash! I love it!!

[@PBasschannel]

I saw few comments here at this video: there are people who want to make sound their 4 cyl cars like this. Actually there is a theoretical and possible solution for that: unequal length headers. First, please correct me if I am wrong at something. Let's start with the subaru rumble sound: any 4 cyl flatplane and boxer engines are firing in 180-180-180 degree intervals, on the subaru 4 cyl boxers the runner-pairs lengths difference causes that the engine sounds like it is firing like 180-120-180-240 degree intervals. For this there exists a solution for few Honda inline 4 engines: 1320 UEL header. For crossplane inline 4 sound: it fires in 180-90-180-270 degree intervals, so now, if this length difference on subaru boxer 4 header simulates 60 degree delay at firing, then the double of this length difference will simulate +50 percent = 90 degree delay in firing, and this "double-subaru-header-runner-length difference" simulates on an engine which fires 180-180-180-180 exactly a 180-90-180-270 firing order = crossplane inline 4 sound. So, the theoretical solution using the 1320 UEL header: cut out the loop - which is the runner for the cyls nr. 3 and 4 -, then make a double loop with the same radius like the original loop, and of course using a pipe which have the same thickness like the pipe which was used for the original loop. If I am right, the reason why nobody made a header like this to date because it not worth it: except the sound it is wrong in every other aspects: it can be expensive, it can be hardly buildable even for a car which have big amount of space under the hood, can damage the engine (or at least shortens the engine's lifetime) because of the big exhaust backpressures at cylinders on the short runners, makes a non-negligible power and efficiency loss, etc...

[@WilliamMoser]

Messing with primary lengths might get you close at some RPMs, but they are more a time delay than an angle shift, I would put up with the Subaru rumble if I owned one but I wouldn't bother trying to replicate it on an I4.

[@PBasschannel]

@@WilliamMoser , OK

[@luuk341]

Hey there, I have a few questions, do youuse a pitch shift or is this done ONLY by increasing the frequency of the sounds? I am trying to recreate what you have done in Unity3D. Also: very well done it is the best r1 simulated sound i have ever heard!

[@WilliamMoser]

No pitch shift used, just sending a pulse to the speaker each time one of the lights goes on.

[@luuk341]

Thanks for the response mate!

[@LeStraTele]

At lower rpm it sounds like a John Bohnam drum solo pattern. That's a great thing.

[@komodotanjidor7272]

I watch many motorcycle vlogger saying the same things "Crossplane 4 Yamaha sounds like Ducati V engine". Now i get it!

[@Unfunny_Username_389]

The interval between one and three just seems wrong. It might make sense in the context of eight cylinders in a V configuration but in an in-line four it feels like the unevenness might lead to problems. Apparently, some people believe the higher performance versions of this engine are prone to creating a form of resonance that might lead to catastrophic weaknesses in the crank. Regardless, when you hear e.g. the MT10 with a decent can on it the sound is excellent. I kind of want one just for the noise alone.

[@WilliamMoser]

It took a fair amount of work to get the cranks to not break IIRC, I think Suzuki's crossplane I4s have more problems than Yamaha's. I want one for the noise too, I don't even have a bike license.

[@robertanthonybermudez5545]

Just wow! Upvoted. Please also make a V4 if possible.

[@peter.baerentzen]

An I4 crossplane has the same "sound signature" as a 90 deg. V4 (180 deg. crank) like e.g. the VFR 750F.

[@Daniel-xc3ws]

Valwntino Rossi loved his Yamaha with a crossplane crankshaft

[@unkownKalliii]

Love your idea and the way you present it - can‘t wait to see the new Ducati V4

[@Zina_editz]

This sounds like the real R1 is how good you did it dayum.

[@WilliamMoser]

cheers, it's one of the better illustrations of the real thing

[@nestormartinezmedina6573]

Great video! I love this particular engine the CP4. I love it's sound. Now I know a little bit more about it, and the reason of that particular beautiful sound. Thanks.

[@miweneia]

i can sleep to this beautiful sound

[@SirCavemaninthewest]

What if this firing order is the same when a horse is galloping and every hoof that claps on the ground counts as a firing (power) stroke. know whAt I'm saying, Willis!

[@poiXquared]

You need more subscribers dude... i really appreciate this kind of work

[@ishaanmalhotra3008]

Please do one of Aprilia's RSV4

[@seantheberge5456]

This firing order is music that I love to listen to.........

[@cincinnatislider]

Uhh.. mind blown. I bought the R1 because of the sound it makes. Now I know its secret to enchantment.

[@scoapproductions]

It really does sound like a baby v8. Love the demonstration

[@WilliamMoser]

Cheers!

[@joshuarenacia694]

Please make aprilia 65 degree V4

[@ThomiX0.0]

It's clearly giving us the ' V-8 ' experiance, by the second basic sound coming in at revs of 4000. Amazing demonstration! But how about the first V-max 'V-4' engine set up? The 'V-8' sound was clearly there..and I haven't heard it more strongly ever since..,not even with the next generations.. How come? :-)

[@WilliamMoser]

Some V4s have the same firing interval of this engine, maybe they changed it at some stage on the VMAX? I've heard a few, they do sound very good!

[@SirCavemaninthewest]

It's the downpipes. The front bank has a longer distance to the tail pipe, the rear bank hardly any.

[@ThomiX0.0]

@@SirCavemaninthewest it might be so, but the newer V-Max has the same exhaust-distance then the old one.., still they sound different.

[@felixlukiri2338]

I love that yamaha sound.

[@tarunsharma5254]

amazing demonstration ❤

[@rangasamy1317]

Best video on you tube clear explanation

[@YungJuicyMBM]

Dangg this one sounds amazing through and through

[@turbojoe9554]

would be a great sounding engine in a road car, however the felt vibration from the really odd firing order would be severe enough to never sell many cars.

[@cromo7743]

Very interesting, I would like to see a video with an l4 with crossplane crankshaft but different. R1 has ignition times of 180-90-180-270, I propose a video with an l4 crossplane with 90-90-90-450. This is almost a real big bang and relatively easy to implement. (english from Brazil).

[@avebave6550]

I can feel it comin in the air tonight.... Crossplane

[@spookgook4903]

Sounds like a cammed big block when fired up. chop chop

[@DaengRosanda]

Awesome!!!

[@xplane7523]

Brilliant. Yep (agree with below) that is how my Yamaha cross-plane (uneven firing Order) howl sounds.

[@Zi9makin9]

sooo freggen cool! You can actually hear the crossplane R1 :D

[@Dma63]

Can you make v4 scremer and v4 bingbang engine firing order??

[@JAVTROOPER]

Make ninja 250 sound pleaseee

[@ArunKumar-rd1bw]

R1 🔥

[@MM1E]

I'm now really curious to hear the difference between the crossplane i4 and the honda vfr v4 (my real world experience may have been tainted by gear-driven cams....)

[@ahmadfikri5525]

Pls riques aprilia rsv4 engine (65°) and the difference with ducati v4 (90°) please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@juanantoniocruz2937]

Just like the V4 but 1 fire behind

[@Mr_Frazza]

Thats so cool, you should do the MT-09 engine, crossplain 3 cylinder

[@WilliamMoser]

Already done kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqvUm6yXlL-ngKc

[@Mr_Frazza]

@@WilliamMoser Oh Cool, i couldn't find it in your videos, i didn't look hard enough, these are so cool, it amazes me how they sound just like the real engines.

[@WilliamMoser]

@@Mr_Frazza it took me long enough to find it! Yeah I'm still surprised at how close some of them are.

[@generaldistrust]

I do not understand how long we have to wait until this firing order is ever introduced to i4 cars!!

[@WilliamMoser]

It's not the cheapest option so we will probably have to wait until there is no petrol left. I'd be happy with an I5 even.

[@generaldistrust]

@@WilliamMoser i agree, but this in my country is impossible bc engine swap is FORBIDDEN over here... BUT -- crossplane is pretty much a more of a possible thesis of operation that could remain under the radar 😂😂😂

[@CrazySteTV]

Yamaha also offered a Flat Plane with the same firing order 1 - 3 - 2 - 4 with Cranks for Cylinder 1 & 3 and for Cylinders 2 & 4 on the same position. You need to make that one too ;-)

[@WilliamMoser]

Did they? The earlier R1 was a normal flarplane crank AFAIK, the Ford Voodoo is the only engine I know of with. UDUD crankshaft.

[@CrazySteTV]

@@WilliamMoser i think you're right, it may have been Suzuki or Honda that did it that way. But... You sure need the Video of it

[@WilliamMoser]

It would sound the same as the flatplane one I did.

[@CrazySteTV]

@@WilliamMoser not quite, as the firing timing would be regular, whereas the Cross Plane has an irregular firing with 2 chokes happening very closely

[@WilliamMoser]

Whoops I meant would sound the same as the flatplane one I already did. Comment fixed.

[@biscuitracing6014]

You should do a crossplane I4 with a 1-4-2-3 firing order

[@babarimen]

The way its firing shows a sign of infinity (1423)

[@Entity_BlackRed777]

I tried tapping at that beat as fast as possible, and sounds like the real thing, except I can barly do 1,000rpm.

[@amedeostefanoni7475]

Sicuramente guidare questo motore è un vero piacere sinfonico pari o uguale al suono che emette la ducati desmodromica! 😍

[@comvlog1132]

that idle tho 👌

[@Calzonii09]

This is so cool, how come there is a delay between firing of cyl 1 & 3 vs 1 & 4?

[@WilliamMoser]

Because of the configuration of the crankshaft

[@juanantoniocruz2937]

Man i love R1's

[@fedevillanueva9595]

Los ángulos el arbol de levas serían los mismos, solo cambiarían el orden de encendido?

[@2391jessie]

Now you why a IL4 crossplane has a unbalanced "rocking couple"

[@sheparddoran2366]

Have you ever considered doing the kawasaki zx-rr moto gp bike? The one they refer to as a "long bang" screamer? There's next to no footage of that bike in action. The one video that does circulate is an ancient promotional video of a flyby that in a way almost sounds as high pitched as an f1 car, but could also just be a conventional flatplane four with the echos being flattering. But on the big bang Wikipedia page it shows the firing order being like a twin pulse v4 grouped closer together. I'm honestly left scratching my head as to whether or not there's this lost exotic close spaced four cylinder firing order that's higher pitched than a conventional flatplane four, or if it all got lost in translation and it was just a run of the mill four cylinder the whole time. Or even two separate engines people have conflated all this time. I'd at least love to hear a simulated version of the firing order it's rumored to have. Love all these vids. I wish i had the ability to test out hypothetical impossible firing orders that you might be able to spoof using unequal length headers.

[@WilliamMoser]

I've down a number of 90 degree V4s, I could have done that firing order.

[@lydoel]

What kind of speakers are you using? And how do you generate that pop sound in arduino ide? tone?

[@WilliamMoser]

Leftover satellite speakers from a home theatre system, the pop just comes from the on/off pulse I send to the speaker.

[@mahmoudanwar5200]

Thanks for this

[@solo4026]

1 3 2 4??

[@devideomeneer]

This was a very interesting demonstration. Thank you.

[@WilliamMoser]

Cheers!

[@WranglerSlim]

Given that engines can be rebuilt with new cams, pistons, heads, injectors and even crankshafts, I think there might be a market for crossplane conversion kits for 4 cylinder engines. Especially for that EcoBoost abomination that Ford plans to put in the Mustang.

[@WilliamMoser]

It would be much more expensive than doing a V8 swap, and that would be more expensive than just buying a V8. Mustangs have had a turbo I4 option for at least a year now. Also there would be vibration issues and it would be tricky making the crank strong enough, it is tricky to get it right in much smaller motorcycle engines.

[@moviebg4662]

Thats cross plane i4 firing order.

[@seantheberge5456]

i kept waiting for it to shift...

[@wicaksonoanindita]

Racing exhaust = same sound, just more desibel Sexy sound ever in 4 cyl.

[@preshitkeskar]

R1 Yamaha Engineering ❤❤❤

[@JrodGtar]

How was this achieved with lights/sound? Resistors of different values for 3 of the cylinders? Does anyone know how william moser does this?

[@WilliamMoser]

@@JrodGtar this one just uses one speaker from memory, I later made two speaker boxes with 8 independently wired speakers in each. I've used resistors on some simulations, bur they generally make that speaker quieter, not really different.

[@MathewPendleton]

Can you please do the Yamaha MT-07 Tracer

[@WilliamMoser]

here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmG1gGyohLGnY6c

[@Flyingsgetti]

In de beninging it was making a beat

[@Robert-zm5gj]

The order is 1 3 4 2 because when the spark ignite the fuel the piston 3 and 2 will go down and you cand ignite piston 2 fuel because that piston is already down

[@WilliamMoser]

This is a crossplane crankshaft firing order, only one piston is at TDC at a time.

[@royalenfieldexhaust9373]

wow it's great work

[@tryonscion6823]

These videos are so awesome 👏

[@WilliamMoser]

Thanks, glad you like them!