Worst Quality Warhammer 40K Model Kits that Games Workshop Still Sells ?

[@l.christoffersen7502]

Dire Avengers don't have mold lines, they have mold ridges.

[@Frostea]

All the molds of that generation of plastic had mold ridges. It adds to the character of the kit 😛

[@kristianjensen5877]

Those are not mold ridges, those are "free extra details" on your premium price model kit.

[@semajnollissor661]

Mold line everywhere, except at the seam between the two haves of the shoulder pads. If the two halves come together at all. Why aren't those just separate, single parts, like with space marines?

[@Gshadewolf14]

Seriously tho. I bought two kits, built one and said “that’s enough of that”

[@LordGrantius]

Mold lines? Mold ranks! Lines like those need a sergeant to keep them in line

[@JackDespero]

I love my sisters... But most of them are monopose and yet so hard to put together without leaving obvious gaps, etc. The whole point of being monopose is that you have a cool pose while being easy to assemble!

[@slammgames7425]

Holy shit no kidding, not to mention how much small shit snaps off

[@scoticvsgossage9378]

They need a redesign, badly. They're... boring. Which isn't something I should ever have to say about Sisters of Battle minis. And who was in charge of the pauldron design? a seam straight down the middle? Really?

[@MrSnakeCake]

not to mention that body parts are split so badly that it goes through half of each shoulder pad right past the symbols on there, so if you not careful with either glueing or mold line removal you destroy the symbols.

[@scoticvsgossage9378]

@@MrSnakeCake yup. Exactly. Its really unfriendly to newcomers, and painters alike. I’ve never liked having to work around a mini to paint it, and these gals have that aplenty. Bolters pretty much attached to the chest, or just far enough away that if you don’t get the details right people will notice.

[@Zeldaytal]

Guns being like 5 parts is something insane. Like body +elbow +gun + hand + elbow 2. Same with legs. Why are shins apart from legs?

[@stripeybag6977]

Drukhari player-"Wait, they still sell models?"

[@scottboyer8450]

Skari will be glad to know they're still making kits.

[@manda60]

Oh it hurts. It hurts because it's true. Hold on while I mount my Wyches to slotta bases...

[@ImrahilToChaos]

The Drukhari kits hold up incredibly well, please cease.

[@veiddimaddur8354]

​@@ImrahilToChaos The ones that they actually sell. A lot are finecast

[@scottboyer8450]

@@veiddimaddur8354 AFAIK Since Mandrakes are now available in plastic, the only fine cast remaining are Grotesques, Court of the Archon and Beastmaster? I suppose that's about the same as the Eldar with their Warp Spiders, Fire Dragons and Swooping Hawks whos sculps have not changed since 2nd edition. 35 years old. The big difference though is how easily you can Proxy in those models with stuff from AoS, like Daughter's of Khaine and Crypt Horrors.

[@Rottenflieger.]

The outriders having gaps is due to the push fit design of the models. the parts comprising the 2 halves of the bike have cylindrical pegs that goes inside cylindrical sockets. If you put a lot of glue on either the peg or the socket, it gets trapped inside the socket and compressed by the cylinder. Eventually there's a limit to how much the glue can be compressed so when you set the model down to go build something else, the two halves separate. The easiest fix for this is to trim down or clip off the pegs entirely, leaving no gaps.

[@kiltedsith6776]

Thank you so much for explaining this! I'm fairly new to the hobby, had this issue with some of my push fits and couldn't figure what was causing it.

[@Rottenflieger.]

@@kiltedsith6776 No problem, some models like outriders seem more prone to these issues than others but it's a potential problem with every model with the starter set "push fit" design unfortunately.

[@jorgemontero6384]

The pegs can be designed pretty well to minimize the issue, along with putting the gaps in the right places (see the modern termagant), but it's a design skill that many old kits suffer from

[@DefconLives]

Push-fit is GW's piss poor attempt at making the hobby easier to get into, as if assembly was the hard part between the price and the painting. The Slaves to Darkness redesign also included pegs in the SC kit with the knights and Karkadrak lord, cut them off immediately

[@peternubaum4514]

​@@kiltedsith6776get tamiya extra thin mate, best plastic glue around

[@joeyb7751]

You baiting us with the new Terminator kit is Criminal. luv me emprah, luv me crux terminatus, luv me first company, simple as.

[@mk-ultraviolence1760]

Shame First Company have awful rules.

[@ronaldorodriguez4039]

Lats go terminators, score some facking kills

[@laserbeastman7447]

I will never not hate tomb blades. Every time I assemble a tomb blade, I shave off an entire year of my lifespan.

[@obsidanix]

Yep one of those kits where everything has to be perfectly aligned, once it is you then you need to stick on small fiddly bits that break after that. Terrible model.

[@arn1345]

Did you dare tip one of these fuckers over? There goes a random fin piece yearning for the sweet release of true death. A bunch of dumb bits for wargear that no one remembers. Do I look like I know what a shadowloom is? I fucking hate that kit holy fuck.

[@robeasthope6494]

I agree they are the worst

[@coldwintersknight9793]

I think i must be the only necron player in history that has not had a negative experience building tomb blades.

[@morsalty]

I feel you brother..

[@dnugxpdtjb]

The Slaaneshi Daemon chariot is an absolute nightmare to build

[@Fluxram]

I'm about to build 4 and I haven't touched the kit before, please tell me you are exaggerating. I already suffered through new flayed ones twice

[@OGXenos]

@@Fluxram You have brought upon yourself the HEIGHT of assembling misery.

[@spookykitty72]

​@@Fluxramit is as slaanesh wishes brother, more than than is worth. I just bought some seekers and some daemonettes, and intend to get a shit ton of chariots. Godspeed.

[@The_Blackshield]

Isn't the suffering all part of Chaos's plan? :P

[@GaryP336]

Agree

[@Capt.DanInJapan]

I remember the Finecast launch. The quality checking was hideous. It didn't help that the key-timer at my local store was constantly trying to gaslight everyone about the quality of the kits.

[@jamblpaints8453]

Remember how shortly after finecast they released liquid greenstuff so you could fix the holes yourself

[@DeathInTheSnow]

The clear plastic flight stands get a bad reputation, but I will 100% take them over the "Oh shit I caught my toe on a rock again." style they have. I feel so bad for anybody who bought that new CSM jump lord. He looks so goofy!

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

Tac rocks are neat

[@CMTechnica]

The new jump assault marines are horrible. Those poses are atrocious

[@KnightsofTitan]

New jump marines look like they are skipping into battle

[@joshs3091]

totally, i want my minis to have two feet on the ground

[@paul80085]

​@CMTechnica the OG assault marines from 2nd had both feet on the ground with jump packs and melee gear and look great.

[@Kenddamus]

My latest assembly was the Redemptor Dreadnought. That bugger took me 4-5h of assembly! Why are there so many parts that require to be assembled, only to be hidden under a plate of armor? Also, the piston that attaches the leg to the hip, my god. You have to glue the ring around the hip, without gluging the ring to the hip. Finally, there are some pieces that are supposed to fit perfectly so that you don't have to glue them and thus keep an articulated body. Yeah well the bottom latch over the coffin is stuck, in my case. And I had to trim the armpits's joints for a solid half hour to make them rotate, otherwise my Dread would have been stuck in a T pose

[@tajj7]

Yes! The Redemptor chassis seems unnecessarily over engineered to be super flexible and posable but then you kind of feel it could just be glued into the pose you want with far less bits. And yeh put glue on this tiny tiny bit, that then goes into this tiny hole, but don't get any glue on any of the rest of this bit!

[@_AJH_]

It was the door mechanism at the front for me. Never got it to work.

[@Mr_Waffle.]

Yes the armpits are terrible, I had to trim and sand mine down a lot to get the arms to rotate at all too.

[@robeasthope6494]

I’ve built 5 of them, I didn’t really have much of a problem with any of them

[@duerf5826]

The Redemptor is literally one of the best models GW has ever made but they do require some experience to build. At the time they also made an ETB/snap fit Redemptor which was excellent for people who don't like building and I wish that they would keep making those.

[@Beriorn]

The ones you need to grab with tongs if you don't want to perforate your hands. Aka good percentages of the Chaos, Dark Eldar and Tyranid models.

[@TheAtomicSpoon]

My Kytan model drew blood multiple times with the spikes on the back of the legs. Khorne cares not from where the blood flows.

[@tomekk.1889]

I didn't realize how big of a problem this was until I had to convert a chaos lord into a Tsons sorcerer in terminator armour and stabbed myself. It's like stepping in a lego but worse

[@IlanMuskat]

Hear hear. I built a rendmaster on Blood Throne a couple weeks ago. It drew blood readily.

[@RavagerZero]

Old school metal lictors (4th ed). You made an offering to Khorne when attempting assembly. Or transport. Or moving them around.

[@thedyingmeme6]

My Abominant is _very_ pokey

[@Warsmith_The]

I despise the Bloodletters kit. The moldlines are obscene, there's a mandatory gap-filling required on every forehead, and the swords are often noticeably bent and warped.

[@taitwando]

THANK YOU! I got back into the hobby recently after about 6 years of not playing (I had sold everything so I was back to square one). I bought the combat patrol for the chaos daemons but was very disappointed with the bloodletters. Honestly my next purchase will probably be a 3d printer so I can print my 2000 points army that way instead of having to spend the 500+ euros on the GW kits

[@HShaud]

They have that much flash between the fingers they look amphibian😂

[@chaosof99]

So the Ork Kommandos were the first 40k Model Kit I ever built and they were horrible to put together due to their parts being spread across three different sprues. I had built other plastic models (Gundam) before and this initially put me off 40k a bit. Thankfully other models were not as bad in that regard. However, just recently I had a similar experience with the Night Lords kill team. I understand that the base of them is a regular CSM Legionaries kit, but they also have parts all over the place for individual miniatures, but at least similar parts are grouped together (e.g. all the backpacks are together). I guess though this could be helped if GW had a sensible numbering scheme on their sprues, where parts were numbered according to location on the sprue, rather than according to when they show up in the instructions.

[@boredmagala5701]

The spree placement for kommandos is soooo horrible

[@LangHvitSkyKriger]

Looters/Burners. Your kit may suck, mine is straight up missing arms

[@boredmagala5701]

I have 10 unbuilt and a new fear unlocked

[@captainweekend5276]

@@boredmagala5701 It's only one arm, it doesn't explain it in the instruction booklet, but if you want to build the spanna with a rokkit launcha or big shoota you need to use a spare arm from the ork boyz kit. It's perhaps one of the other reasons GW kept the old ork boyz kit around, since it would doubly suck for lootas and burnas to have a weapon option restricted to an OOP kit. However the upside to the loota/burna kit is that the unit options don't share any parts, so if you get some spare ork bodies, you can make up a whole unit of burnas if you built lootas from the kit or vice versa.

[@MrShukaku1991]

As a note, getting 2 boxes of lootas/burnas and one box of old boys lets you make 10 of each lootas and burnas, since they all use the same torsos.

[@peternubaum4514]

​@@MrShukaku1991basicly pay 3 get 4 boxes... Noted

[@riohand9064]

Working on my Ork battle force box, and idk how but some of my loota sprues got squished. Now I'm having to kitbash support frames for about 4 of the deff guns.

[@phoenixdblack]

There is a reason I kitbashed my Stompa from a Stompa-kit and an old monolith. I already have to fix half the model and the instructions are unreadable, so why not do it properly?

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

I’ll add the Eldar Wave serpent specifically because of its flight stand. It doesn’t use a modern flight stand, it uses an ultra thin one attached by a little thiner stud on the end. These flight stand are attached to the second heaviest model in Eldar behind the wraithknight and resin stuff and just break all the time. I have bought two and both have broken in the first game I used them in so I don’t really have stands for them anymore.

[@HeartlessNinny1]

If it makes you feel any better I used to play Battlefleet Gothic, and some of those metal ships snapped off those bullshit stands instantly

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

I used magne baron chunky stands. They're pretty solid for my 2 wave serpents and Fire prisms.

[@pbagosy]

I've built at least 10 Falcon/Wave Serpent chassis, and my secret with the flight stand is to cut that little plastic nub out and then drill out the hole it's supposed to go into. Let the flight stand sink a centimeter into the hull and it becomes very stable. Twist it a bit and it will stay in place until you want it to come out.

[@acidbased2654]

Bloodletters don't so much have mold lines as they are mold lines with models attached

[@NornQueenKya]

Instruction wise stompa definitely takes the cake. And the body is rough to fit if you get a bad kit. I remember the basilisk being pretty annoying too. The instructions were flat out wrong on the body

[@Totema1]

If it's any consolation, if your Stompa looks a bit ramshackle in the end, you can say it's just the Ork engineering at work.

[@Rottenflieger.]

The basilisk is a weird one because it's got the gun platform sprues which are from the 90s, that go on the chimera hull sprues from the 2000s, but for the longest time GW didn't seem to bother updating the instructions. On top of leading to build mistakes it ends up causing confusion with people searching the sprues for a heavy bolter which despite being in the instructions isn't actually in the kit anymore.

[@R-YR29]

Omfg childhood me thanks you for this info I had 3 and I messed up 2 and always thought I was dumb lol

[@QisforQadim]

Did a stompa recently and you are not kidding.

[@robinadams634]

100% on the Basilisk, I made one recently and it's awful. The smallest fiddliest bit is shown on the 'instructions' on the far side of the vehicle and so the assembly is completely obscured, just some dotted lines pointing somewhere on the right side, and pieces are shown in completely the wrong order and back to front! My gun barrel came warped on the kit too, fortunately soaking it in boiling water allowed me to bend it back roughly true, plus there's a half-inch void between the base of the Chimera chassis and the firing deck, just a completely open hole with no blanking plate or anything. Just a miserable build.

[@AlainPilon]

On the positive side, the Carnifex box is still an amazing product: you get all weapons you can dream off, extra heads and torsos and everything is easy to assemble and magnetize.

[@OptimusMonk01]

shame the quality control on the body sections is so bad you can't get them to go together straight

[@Raygun9000]

What about models with extreme overhang? Like the Tyranid toxicrene. So hard to move around the board without accidentally shoving those tentacles into everything. 🙃

[@hinderwl]

Models that just fall over due to poor balance, like the pink horror holding the battle standard.

[@bitemytail]

@@hinderwl Glue a coin under the base.

[@Raygun9000]

@@hinderwl glue a 2p (or washer) to the inside of the base.

[@masterch33fII7]

I remember my buddy showing up with a roll of pennies one day just to glue on the bottom of his hormagants and my raptors. Ah good times

[@hinderwl]

@@Raygun9000 I actually glued a nickel.

[@smatting2627]

The original plastic rhino. In addition to being really small, the antenna, exhaust pipes, and back hatch handles would always break off.

[@capsaicinJT]

eldar grav tanks. the falcon is the same kit that originally came out in 1997, it literally doesn't even have all the weapon options the falcon can take in the rules. for both the main body and upper turret, there's a pilot inside a cockpit, and the pilot glues into place and holds the hinge for the clear plastic cockpit glass. the way all these pieces fit together, you basically have to fully paint and varnish everything before you can finish assembling the model fully, because you won't be able to get a brush in there afterward. and then once you do that, the parts will not quite perfectly fit together (because the kit is so old) so you'll end up having to fill some gaps with green stuff or plastic putty, and then you'll need to re paint those areas where you dod that. combine all of that with the fact that it has a million weapon options that you will probably want to magnetize because of the insane rules churn in this game, and the fiddly flight stand it sits on... gorgeous models, but so much work to finish.

[@Rahab84]

Sad Warp Spider Sounds

[@samhunter1205]

I honestly don't get the issue with Eldar grav tanks. Plenty of models need painting before assembly for optimal results, but I have never had any issues with mine. Fits together perfectly, lovely designs.

[@FREEkdaman]

@@samhunter1205 Same, I think a lot of people just dont like the modeling aspect of the hobby and rush threw it

[@streetmark98]

another big issue for modern gw kits is how the models are split up for the sprue. Kit bashing and adjusting models are significantly harder due to where the seams are for a lot of kits. It’s bad enough that space marines, the most kit bashable army, can be a serious effort to do arm or weapon swaps or change posing on these monopose kits.

[@WindlordRyu]

Bonus points for all kits that're missing bits to build proper 10th Edition squads, Intercessors missing melee weapons, Crisis Suits not having 6 Fusion etc.

[@TheCrmerry]

I just started collecting sisters of battle coming from Necrons. I had no idea that some kits do not come with enough weapons, or sometimes don't have the weapons at all, to build all the loadout possibilities.

[@thinkabouthelogic]

I believe this is because most all kits are prior to 10th edition, and weapons load-outs keep changing, so what they originally put in the kit was probably right when they put it in, and probably not right now. If you think they are going to go back and.... yup, not even finishing that statement lol.

[@TheCrmerry]

​@thinkabouthelogic good point. I just started as 10th was being rolled out so I'm still learning how it all works in GW land.

[@alexkaplan6581]

@@thinkabouthelogic As much as I hate nickle and diming, doing it like 30k and selling separate weapon boxes would be great. Then I could actually differentiate the shedload of combat roles that kinda just got deleted since the launch of 8th. Bonus points once the grey market gets their hands on the sprues, then I won't need to pay for the correction to their piss poor design decisions.

[@OptimusMonk01]

@@thinkabouthelogic let's see ... changing the plastic or changing the words in the army list... which is easier?

[@albinonoodle5229]

After building a fellblade a few weeks back that involved saws, a tube and a half of superglue, polyfilla, green stuff and a few bits of an old plastic ruler I'll never complain about the odd mould line or wonky fit on plastic kits again.

[@darkladylumiya1828]

My eternal hatred for a GW kit will always go towards that which isn't even a single kit, but three - noise marines. You buy the base Chaos Space Marine kit for $65. Then you buy two of the Noise Marine Upgrade Kits, which are resin, for $16.50, because you can't get enough to outfit a full squad without that. Then, if you want a few head options to make your noise marines look at all like noise marines or if you want the backpack that you're meant to be able to have on the sergeant, then you need to buy a third kit for another $16.50. So you could spend $114.50 to get one squad of 10. Or you could buy 10 of the specialty noise marines they made for display for $420. Or finally, you could buy two of the Forge World Kakophoni kits for $162, which are of course all in resin, and since they're some of the first minis made for the Horus Heresy the pieces have a decent bit of warping now. Probably the nicest thing I can say about the noise marine upgrade kits is that they're such solid pieces of resin that it's hard for there to be significant warping on those parts. But no, every potential option you have from GW kinda sucks.

[@wolfehoffmann2697]

And this is why such a market for piracy exists. I own an independent game store, and I will absolutely encourage piracy of Forgeworld models and GW resin (Even though I can get it from them direct as a retailer.) They are out of their damn minds with some of the nonsense they pull.

[@Boris945471]

I recently put some Gunpla/Gundam kits together. They really are very well laid out sprues, easy to understand instructions and lovely molds with no real clean up needed Plus coloured plastic is great

[@bopaintsminis]

And the price compared to GW is awazing. GW is absolutely criminal by comparison.

[@TheAtomicSpoon]

How I feel when I buy something like a 1/35 Tank model from Tamiya, Trumpeteer, AFV, etc.

[@therealmolkohr]

Necron immortals/deathmarks have been a pain for me recently. Having to glue together 3 parts simultaneously (gun, torso and arm), especially the immortal with the bonus 4th connection point of the gun's/torso's cables, has been a struggle to get them to align how I'd like!

[@obsidanix]

Yep I've done 5 Tesla immortals this week totally forgot how bad the cable, arm body trio is!

[@_AJH_]

I ended up using my clippers as fine tweezers

[@MrBlackgobbo]

the deathmarks arm does not fit well with the guns, it is horrible to build it; but much better than most of the new kits XD (flayed ones, necron warriors, etc)

[@robeasthope6494]

I propped their guns on paint pots so they didn’t go wandering

[@Warsmith_The]

I don't tolerate gluing guns with cables like that anymore. Nowadays, I clip them clean off, glue the gun normally, and then recreate the wires with greenstuff. I recently did that with a Skaven Warp-Grinder, which has a very similar annoying 3-point glue requirement.

[@Djdjdjeb]

Another FW purge happened, Sky Talon and Vulture Gunships are now gone as well 😢

[@odavenport7smal]

That's a crying shame, they were both gorgeous models

[@darko-man8549]

Hopefully 🏴‍☠️ still have them

[@Mr_Waffle.]

@@darko-man8549 I just checked with my friend Zack in China and he has both thankfully!

[@Niftynesgames]

Some of the old metal kits were pretty bad, but by FAR the worst metal kit I ever tried was a zoanthrope. Trying to glue those giant heavy heads onto a stilt-like tentacle attached to the base was a pain, and had many set over night just to break instantly upon touch.

[@Mr_Waffle.]

My recent experience- the online-only Land Raider was NOT square, took a lot of trimming and gap filling to get it together, definitely showing its age. Also dishonourable mention for Custodes shoulder pads, they do NOT sit flush on the arms, so not enough contact area to glue them properly, needed to use putty or super glue for a bunch of them.

[@simonleach6632]

The new Ork Boyz are a pretty bad kit since you can't actually build a proper unit from it, also still don't understand why they're push fit, I get if for the marines and necrons in the indomitus box/starter sets, but why did the Orks get push fit models?

[@davidpearson6916]

My theory is that they were originally going to do Marines vs. Orks for 9th but did necrons instead and were left with a bunch of monopose kits for orks.

[@captainweekend5276]

@@davidpearson6916 Yeah the new ork boyz definitely feel like they're a proof of concept more than designed to be a proper kit.

[@chetmanley1885]

You can build a legal unit, just not one you want to run or one bigger than 10 models. Nice sculpts though, if you don't want more than 1.

[@1rbdt]

Ork players and kitbashing seem to go hand in hand generally (al least I do) so the extra work to get a unit doesn't really bother me, it's having to get another old boyz kit if you run out of parts. But the push fit pegs, ffs, they barely fit together dry so forget about putting any glue on them. Or just cut them off and assemble the kit like a normal miniature, it works better. Everyone can say what they will about the old boyz kit but nothing about their assembly made stop and think "Wow, this is shit!"

[@KnightsofTitan]

My personal theory is that ork are the big bad in the release box for 11th. That's why orks havnt gotten a proper update like other xenon factions, despite being so popular

[@raggedkarma]

Putting together the psychomancer made me question myself and my life choices. For some reason every join point is the smallest it can be, and you often have to support multiple pieces at the same time.

[@lazerbeamhawkins]

I feel your pain on this, I was cussing up a storm building this one

[@chrisbeau76]

@@lazerbeamhawkins I literally bought one awhile back and when I read the instructions I sad "Nope". Then searched Ebay for 3 months straight for players who had assembled them already and had to seel them.. Now I have 3 all from ebay and all are assembled pretty well. I plan to one day use all 3 in a single list probably using Awakened Dynasty after they received a 2nd Battle Shock ability forces them to make a BS test that kicks in during your opponents Command phase with a -1 to roll them. I cant imagine failing a test that early during my turn making your unit useless except for shooting and fighting.. It really can make the different if you can get 2-3 of thier unots down to OC0 which prevents them from

[@Chris-jl6vp]

Pretty much all of the modern monopose million parts kits are awful. We used to have a simple system for posing and parts, and that was arms, head, body, legs, and extras. Now it's left lower leg, back of torso, head (attached to right arm), right half of jaw, left lower arm, upper hand attached to gun, left hand attached to gun, right leg attached to waist, etc. Why? Why continue to design minis like this?

[@onlywanjobbie]

Another complex build would be the psychomancer. Trying to get those tendrills to stay put was a pain.

[@kris220b]

GW charges tamiya + prices for amazon grade products

[@tajj7]

Yeh Inceptors are a pain, that connection point is awful and once it goes once you might as well start cutting down the model to magnetise it because it probably isn't gluing back. I fully magnetised my inceptors so with the flight stand issues they have been a lot of work, probably took me like 8 hours to put them all together, get all the magnets working and the flight stands.

[@jensablefur155]

I'm surprised there aren't more mentions of that finecast resin Wolf Lord on thunderwolf/Harald model. It's a trial by fire for a lot of Wolves players and it really is absolutely horrendous. Even when done the fur looks half-melted and getting all of his facial features is a crapshoot. It's so bad that I know people who have literally given up on the model half way through, sold it on the cheap half-done and then just bashed him together from another box of TWC.

[@DominatorLegend]

The Kroot Farstalkers are even worse than the Kommandos. It's basically like them but with thin, microscopic arms- The sniper dude in particular is hell.

[@Psykmoe]

I strongly disliked putting together Sicarians (annoying legs). Also, mutant ogryn is too spiky for a PUSH-fit model. Plaguemarines is a bad model kit because it only builds 7 when you either field 5 or pay for 10.

[@smalwex]

BRO exact same beef with that ogryn mutant. I genuinely drew blood from trying to handle the fucker and paint it

[@DnoFM]

Sure, it is weird, but you can most definitely play with 2 squads of 7 plaguemarines. Also, it is the best model kit because it is so heavily modular. I have made and kitbashed multiple different squad just from the basic kit. Legionaries with mark of Nurgle for KT? Sure!

[@Psykmoe]

​@@DnoFM I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out.

[@OptimusMonk01]

@@DnoFM remember when all space marine kits were modular?

[@michaelscaplis]

I got the resin Trazyn and Orikan and they weren’t that hard to assemble though Trazyn really deserves a new model. Also had the issue with the Outriders. Skorpek destroyers fitment could also be improved, same with warriors.

[@I2dios8]

Literally every daemon kit that isn't a greater daemon. All old, all finicky to put together.

[@bendre1997]

I can’t believe these weren’t mentioned. I have a unit of Plague Drones, I built one and have been putting off the others. They’re so annoying they haven’t even made it to the pile of shame.

[@CMTechnica]

I love land raiders, but I’ll never buy another non-heresy land raider. The basic/redeemer/Crusader kit is the worst 40k kit I’ve built. Spent a weekend with it tied in elastic bands to keep it together so it didn’t move around while drying, and it’s still got the wobbles. The actual 40k basilisk instructions aren’t even correct, same with the Baneblade kit’s track assemblies. The gap on outriders can be fixed by cutting out the push fit pins. The gap starts because there was too much glue used on the pin. I’ll take flying stands over whatever they did with the new jump marines and chaos lord.

[@TheMagicalPinata]

Dire Avengers went from $45 for 10 to $40 for 5 overnight. That still gives me a bad taste

[@gniewborsuczy]

Thank you for including the flayed ones. They are truly nightmarish creatures but mainly for this reason. Psychomancer is also a menace in this regard.

[@Mr_Secondaries]

Most annoying kit to assemble so far, for me, is the corsair voidscar. Very fiddly kit. Took forever to find all the pieces needed for each model due to them scattered throughout 3x sprues. Would've been nicer if they fit all pieces on the same sprue required to make one model. Instead of body on one, head on another, weapons on another, accessories on another... 😠

[@dominikfittschen2955]

Funfact: The Dire Avengers had a second plastic Kit before based on the Guardian sprues with 8 Modells and some Updates Sprues für the Dire Avengers.

[@KaeEbonrai]

That one was actually a metal-plastic hybrid kit (similar to the storm guardians prior to the new kit!)

[@jcmsaucey6555]

Illuminor Szeras is an absolutely gorgeous mini, but not only does it require force and being held for an extended period of time while building, but it's not even clear where all the bits fit. I didn't have too many complaints about the doomsday ark, aside from the flight stand and it being monotonous. Flayed ones deserve all the hate though.

[@lazerbeamhawkins]

Illuminor was the first GW model I built with glue (Indomitus Necrons were all snap to fit), and I was really angry trying to get through it. Got him "mostly" right, but the orb and viscera lining up is a bit off. Flayed Ones was a pain too, but not as bad as Illuminor for me.

[@jcmsaucey6555]

@@lazerbeamhawkins at least Szeras is a mini you only have to build once. I only have 5 flayed ones, but I know someone who built a full 30. Definitely don't envy him.

[@danmiller4242]

My worst would be blood letters, the ones I made had such bad mould lines that they had webbed hands and the torsos did not fit the legs well at all

[@wolfehoffmann2697]

Even when the Bloodletters were brand new, their torsos and legs never fit particularly well. The trick is to pair up the legs first, let them all dry, then start fitting torsos and adjusting as needed. Would also recommend building their heads and letting those dry while fitting the torsos to ease things along. A lot of the heads and arms kind of interfere with eachother too, I think as a consequence of them being primarily designed for Warhammer Fantasy Battles and having to fit snug on a 25mm square base, so their posability suffered.

[@RoyKhn]

Paragon Warsuits and Seraphim / Zephyrim are the bane of my existence to build.

[@Lessons_from_the_front]

'... even with superglue'. Yes, if you used the adhesive least well suited to the task and deliberately avoided using appropriate glues things might not stick, clearly a massive design flaw.

[@darko-man8549]

Crazy, I did not realise plastic dire avengers were already that old

[@KnightsofTitan]

Whats even more wild is they use to be sold in boxes of ten (10) for 35 usd

[@darko-man8549]

@@KnightsofTitan oh I yeah, I remember them being moved to five “but that’s not a price increase”

[@Mistheart101]

My personal gripe: The various models that have capes that are multiple separate pieces, i.e. the Praetors in the Age of Darkness box, the Victrix Guard, and the Eliminators. Speaking as someone who's still not great at minute gap-filling like that, it's an absolute pain in the ass trying to make the capes look like one singular piece of cloth. Though I can also heartily agree about the Flayed Ones, I think every single one I have has at least one mildly broken claw. Fiddly little bastards.

[@EthanThomson]

tbf, being "difficult to paint" is just a case of paint it as you buiild it, not after its all built

[@Rahab84]

Sad Warp Spider sounds. We also need more different, Imperial guard armies. Not just bloody Cadians. Catachan, Mordian Iron guard, Valhallian Ice warriors, etc. Maybe even proper Gaunts Ghosts Guards.

[@max16]

not going to mention the ork stompa that has numbers on the spru BUT NONE IN THE GUIDE!!!! that thing is the stupidest thing on the planet.

[@DeathInTheSnow]

Oh I have another mention! I got some scenery with the Imperium magazine collection. And it had the worse mould slip I've ever seen! You know the barrels on the twin bolters that sit atop the containers? They were so badly slipped that it looked like twin _storm bolters_ from certain angles. They were basically half a barrel stacked on top of another half a barrel. And the eagle motifs had beaks so wonky that even the RSPB would put them down...

[@MrBlackgobbo]

I built a flayed ones unit yesterday; it is a nightmare and a scam. I thought the new ones were bigger than before, They are really tiny (smaller than the new necron warriors) to justify that price for just one sprue. As you said, it a horrible kit: monopose miniatures + components that doesn't fit well or clearly in the pose needed + bad building instructions; when you try to glue the legs, the position where the legs fit it is not the position in pictures where the miniature can stand properly, so you fail, touch too much, suddenly a claw brokes because of it... Just watching the kit i dont understand why it is not a 10 miniatures box. Just greed and abuse. I built yesterday an old deathmark unit too, the multipose were soooo easy to build and the new monopose easy to build are so hard XD

[@R-YR29]

My girlfriend picked Orks as her faction. after saying lootas/boyz were easy and she didn't understand my complaints, I had her build a trukk with the old instructions 🤣

[@drmwatson15]

as someone who has just gotten back into the hobby i can say pinning the odd model together was nowhere near as frustrating as trying to put together a squad of pathfinders., the sheer amount of pre assembly painting i've had to do on one squad outweighs the effort it took just to paint say bolters or shuriken catapults.

[@holdenchambers3986]

Shoutout to the drukhari raider chasis being featured twice in combat patrol and requiring pre assembly painting, along with the infuriating flight stand. Also whoever made aos high gladiatrix kit require glueing a buttcheek+ribbon into place instead of just glueing on a ribbon to the belt.

[@kennymartin5976]

That ball joint flight stand is a nightmare, all my dawn eagle jetbikes sit askew, glued onto them at weird angles because NONE of them sit on with friction fit. if any of them snap they're just going on hardware bolts. other then that, anything thats two-handed is a pain in the ass to line up.

[@philurbaniak1811]

👍👍 I think I've said this already but I'd love to see a modern plastic kit for building "Tankbustas OR Nobz", with a decent amount of options on the sprue!

[@thinkabouthelogic]

The current Tankbustas kit may be unpopular, but it for sure was one of the easiest, if not THE easiest, Orks kit to put together. It almost was FUN. Clearly, it may have demonstrated how fun kits USED to be, before GW started making you glue on 2-5mm freaking pieces.

[@Azakamak2401]

I just got done building my first Trukk the other day. It is equal parts fun and frustrating to put together due to how much of the model doesn't quite fit together like it probably should. Half the model is also barely held together with small amounts of glue so that I can take the thing apart at a future point to paint it. I also was about ready to punch the designer of the Kommandos sprue in the face for the absolutely atrocious layout of all the pieces back when I was building them. It would have cost GW nothing to renumber everything more sensibly before sending the plans off to get the mold made.

[@thinkabouthelogic]

It actually fits together pretty perfectly... that said, I would be really careful when you are trying to detach and reattach. Those trukks do not appreciate being handled. Period. Signed, Orks player with 4 of them. P.S. I would take photos at every angle of it assembled before you start taking it apart so that you know exactly how it looked in the "Before" & where existing gaps were so that you don't get too frustrated trying to put it back together again. P.P.S. the ladders are a PITA to re-glue. Good luck!

[@Grubenkobold]

What about Tyranid warriors? Kit is from the early 2000's and most of the range just got updates. One of the key units got left out but gaunts, genestealers etc got a remake..

[@siph_horridus]

I once did multiple Drop Pods at the same time in sub assemblies, 20x doors, x20 harnesses, 20x fins… it was a longtime until I ever wanted to paint another! But they open and are at the same standard the rest of my force is :)

[@matthewlohnes8897]

Its not 40k, but possibly the worst model kits ever are the spirit hosts for nighthaunt, and the corpse cart for Soulblight in AoS. Both those kits are incredibly frustrating to assemble.

[@SoaD89er]

Some nice flashbacks to my old hobby days with this. Used to LOVE putting together the 20 Catachans you got in the box. Everything being a separate piece did often lead to some odd poses you might have to redo once you see it all together. Would love to see them redone and scaled down slightly similar to what the Cadian range looks like now. My pet peeves were certainly flying bases. Every landspeeder I had got broken at some point and ended up sitting on the ground. The old ones were crappy and I've never tested the new. Feels like they need to be a tripod design or something to have more contact points and thus more strength? Magnets certainly a good way to go. Some of my old pet peeves were things like the old metal models not having bases? Things like dreadnoughts etc. where they were just a huge chunk of metal that easily got knocked over... Anything small and pointy was liable to get broken at some point. While metal wasn't fun to work with, characters were certainly nice.

[@nonamenoname1133]

Kommandos really get you in the painting stage. For me, they were the Hobby Fun check that revealed I was not going to be an Ork player.

[@Xenomrph]

40K-adjacent, but the AoS Nighthaunt Spirit Hosts kit is fucking awful to build. The instructions are completely useless, but GW could have provided me with fully rotatable CAD renders and I still wouldn’t have been able to figure it out. Kit looks great, incredibly awful build experience.

[@channelsofash]

I got into Orks in the ancient times because you could have crazy things like a boy that has a wheel instead of legs. The mono pose kit ripped all that fun out of it by almost no options and all the extra work to make the squad anything other than what comes in the kit. Even head swaps require excessive work compared to a good kit.

[@Ajko89]

For me, the most atrocious kit was Killteam Aeldari Corsairs. Parts for every model scattered across all three sprues. And on the sprues neither parts grouping or numbers didn't have any sense. You could have numbers 1, 69, and 420 together. But these were different parts for different models - i.e. Head from model A, leg from model C, and some random dangly bit you could optionally glue to model D or G. I swear, I've got few gray hairs from gluing these.

[@drogo3411]

Not to mention the effing ranger rifle, or how easily the blades of the knife specialist break

[@Ajko89]

@@drogo3411 I had succesfully supressed those memories. Thanks for rekindling my PTSD... ;)

[@MechMK1]

What really drives me up the walls is the apparent lack of quality control with the instructions. The Ork Meganobz, for example, have just straight up errors in the instructions, listing wrong part numbers.

[@SuicidalTurnip]

I noticed this when putting together a Knight Castellan the other day. I noticed a couple of parts were straight up mislabelled for important instructions. Had to have a quick look online to make sure I wasn't going mad.

[@thinkabouthelogic]

Those aren't errors. Those were put there by GW to make sure you are reading the instructions when you are building AND are paying attention. Actually no, kidding, GW just plays mind games. If you aren't careful, the Meganobz instructions actually start to make you think you have made about 15 errors before you finish the 2nd one, and you almost want to pull everything apart, only to have to put it all back together again... then you realize... this is GW... these are their instructions... and you simply find the right piece, ignore the instructions after making a note about what number you --did-- use so that when that number comes up, you can use the number that you should have used earlier. PS. Don't build a Trukk.

[@MechMK1]

@@thinkabouthelogic How is "Now glue part 99 to part 99" done on purpose?

[@Bloodfont89]

Heavy Intercessors, got this for christmas, I really wanted to like it but the amount of mould lines is an absolute joke, i spent more time filing them down than building them.

[@seraph9969]

The Ork boys are the big reason I don’t do orks, the 7-3 monopose is so wildly incompetent that I’m surprised they allowed its release

[@jamieharmoosh]

Ork Deffkopters, why did these not use flyer bases? A helicopter attached to scenery just seems wrong, not to mention easy to bend or break.

[@bengara385]

Complex ≠ bad . Having the best sculpt quality possible is worth the extra time spent putting it together, and given the price of the kits, you want the best end result possible. Sucks to see the Kommandos listed here when they are clearly one of the best ork kits currently available.

[@gringotom242]

The good thing about the catachans are how posable and customisable they are. I've made all sorts of biker squads, vehicle crews and custom characters out of them.

[@arkslippyjunior7773]

Havocs, couldn't get the cables on the guns right at all

[@DouglasParkinson]

Definitely agree with the drop pod. I actually got one early back in the day. It was clear that they were very new to the concept of digital design; some some components were designed with compensation for the slight angle (necessary for mold release) of mating parts, but others were a flat and awkward butt joint. Plus, joint tolerances were too tight in some places, making assembly harder. Guiding lugs at the base of the wings especially would have aided construction, if they had made just one change.

[@KevinoftheCosmos]

That gap in the Outriders is very real. I had to patch them with sprue goo and sand them forever. It took far longer than building and drilling every barrel and muffler.

[@kojindan]

The reason I liked the first wave of trying to change (at least the troops) to plastics (1996-2000ish) was that you could fairly easily do minor conversions and reposition bits so that no two miniatures looked alike. My gripe with today's kits is that they're difficult to modify without a lot of work or require more kitbashing to get everyone looking different.

[@Mason55123]

I think they also kept the old boys kit because the heavy gunner “spanner” in the lootas kit requires a part from the boys kit.

[@seppyseppi6889]

any model with 2 handed melee weapons I find to be nightmarish to put together. Especially with Necrons, the have such skinny arms that you need to glue to a staff/blade, pull them apart enough to go on the body, and then push together and hope the pose you've created isn't too weird. Even with Deathmarks/Immortals I struggled so maybe a skill issue but still...

[@rickkcir2151]

Getting into sisters recently. Can someone explain why the SoB kit is like 10 pieces a model? Specifically, why are the upper arms and forearms are separated? I swear, half the time building them is spent trying to figure out how that triangle aligns with the forearm, gun, and torso.

[@wolfehoffmann2697]

Because of their design, SoBs were always going to be technical challenge to do in plastic. That's a big reason it took them 20+ years. The technology just wasn't there yet. Honestly, there's companies out there that are doing better, smarter design than GW now, and I still doubt many or any of them could have done much better with the SoB design while keeping it faithful to established design and art. The one big thing I think anyone else could have done better, is not making all the bare heads look like men.

[@masterofthelag8414]

Tip for flight stands that works well for me at least-cut down the flight stand and have the flying model with both feet on the ground and the flight stand at the back-this gives you a sort of tripod mount and makes them a lot sturdier at the expense of having to have them be mid-landing. That said I'm not sad that they're starting to be replaced.

[@axelcheese1]

World Eater Jackhals are a nightmare to build and instructions are poor

[@rippertrain]

I just paid 165.00 CAD for a skarbrand. The box says AoS on it but the instructions only show the 40k build. When I pay that kind of money for a model I want full build instructions!

[@reckoner1913]

Bit of a deep cut memory here, but nothing will ever beat a Warhammer Fantasy game, and seeing a proud Slann Mage-Priest being taken into battle on top of two cigarette boxes, his Saurus bearers flanking their new nicotine-chariot. My friend had tried ungodly amounts of superglue, but the internet was only just becoming a thing, and we had barely heard of pinning. It was actually a decent model though for the times. It was around then of course that we also got the original Abandon the No-Handed.

[@Onkel_Ranger]

You forgot Lootas! No left arm for the bazooka ork. It just doesn't exist.

[@hansgruber3064]

I have no idea how they could release a kit like that. I thought I was being stupid when I built up my first box of them. You would think they would test build the box to make sure they didn’t miss out a vital part like say an arm!

[@Strix-DF97]

i remember the first ork boy kit i built. every heavy weapon option was in it, the choice of all shoota or slugga/choppa and tons of boss options.

[@rustyshackelford7084]

The worst mold line I’ve seen since getting back into the hobby 4 years ago were on the Tau pathfinder kill team. After building modern kits going back to an older kit was rough. GW really has improved their quality over the years.

[@jacobwharton4946]

Death Jester. His back piece required a lot of pressure to get it to click into place. I swore it was going to break… everyone online seemed to have the same issue, some even having snapped the part.

[@hallowie3873]

Khorne Bloodletters absolutely suck as well. You need to glue both legs and the torso together seperately which can cause massive gaps in such small models

[@Knights_Oath]

The Skorpek Destroyers and the Skorpek Lord deserve a mention, they were a pain to get them to fit together. The other Necron kits not mentioned I had issues with are Wraiths and sword and board Lychguard. The Wraiths have parts that break off all the time despite my best efforts to transport them carefully and the Lychguard have problem staying together, I have had add terrain to support most of the shields to stop the arms from coming off and the upside down sword I had to epoxy to get it to say on.

[@Ironic_daemonic]

I have a real soft spot for metal models but I'm a bit of an old head starting back in 2000. The current flayed ones kit was an absolute nightmare to assemble. I built 2 of the kit and if i end up wanting more than 10 I'm getting metal ones and pinning the hands in place.

[@djtrunksta]

Land raiders. Ive built over 40 of them by now and Id say only 2 were without problems. Mostly due to panels being warped and needing a lot of work to put together properly. Same with the "axel" pieces that sometimes are too long and you have to really work that down too; unless you accidently glue it and realize they werent the right fit and now its impossible, even with freezing, to pull it back off. Hate the kits. Hate hate HATE them.

[@KyrasTheMoontamer]

I still find it really sad in a weird way, that they seem to be going with less and less wargear options for minis. Like the Cadian Shock Troops are pretty nice on paper, but if they had changed the builds a bit more and allow backpacks to be separate and throw in another sprue of weapons and maybe alternate legs, you could easily get a Cadian Troops Set so you can make shock troops or infantry based on what you want to do.

[@badrabbit9703]

That was a good video. I very much enjoyed it. I hope they have a resculpt of all of the Death Korps resin models. Having some updated Death Riders and Heavy Weapon Teams would be neat.

[@ShawnJensen-r7z]

40k OG plastic Dark Eldar Kabal warriors , Raider . I left bits of my fingers on each one. So spiky and sharp. Nightmare to put together was the Talos. It was heavier than the plastic base and tipped easily.