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Death Riders of Krieg - How Strong in Game? Unit Review from Codex Astra Militarum

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@hallowedknight7288
@hallowedknight7288 7 күн бұрын
The kreig not having the melta lance is weird ad in the lore they use them alot, to a point they sometimes go tank hunting and are called on to disrupt enemys breakthroughs using armour.
@benlewis2130
@benlewis2130 7 күн бұрын
Issue is with Drier the melta lance plus dev wounds would be insane, but still annoying
@uwesca6263
@uwesca6263 7 күн бұрын
​@@benlewis2130 also i feel this would make the rough riders obsolete. If a deathrider can do more and gets character support. I only hope that krier can lead rough riders in the future. So i can use either datasheet with the models.
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 7 күн бұрын
@@uwesca6263 deathriders shouldn't be in the same teir as roughriders. deathriders ride mounts that are to regular horses what space marines are to regular humans, and the riders themselves are essentially stormtroopers. deathriders should be alot better and able to do more per model, but then cost way more per model, and rough riders should be able to have more models (larger units maybe?)
@dudebromanguy
@dudebromanguy 7 күн бұрын
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Give them back their old profile of lance 3 attacks S4 AP-1 D1 and FnP5+. They would have a little punch against medium infantry and be more survivable than rough riders, but rough riders could still be faster, more maneuverable, and hunt the bigger targets. They would both have their purposes
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 7 күн бұрын
*a lot. 2 words
@wengeance8962
@wengeance8962 7 күн бұрын
Death riders are better because they look better than rough riders. Simple as that
@Whoknows21356
@Whoknows21356 7 күн бұрын
I really appreciate what you’re saying. It’s nice to see someone compliment the model instead of the rules. 99.9% of 40K people can’t seem to comprehend that models are forever while rules are temporary
@1rbdt
@1rbdt 7 күн бұрын
Good to know some people have their priorities straight at least.
@TimRobson30
@TimRobson30 7 күн бұрын
Nah death riders now look like cartoon characters with nothing grim or dark about them look like they where designed to appeal to 9 year olds
@lusurpateur2381
@lusurpateur2381 7 күн бұрын
The rough riders are better visually for me, the best xould be a kitbash in order to put some gas mask on the rough riders and there it is : the perfect cavalry model
@Trazynn
@Trazynn 7 күн бұрын
I prefer rough riders. Real horses have hooves.
@virado255
@virado255 7 күн бұрын
This whole krieg release feels like one giant money's paw wish. And the only finger left uncurled is the middle one
@jamesk7075
@jamesk7075 7 күн бұрын
I'm not sure if that typo was intentional but it certainly could have been.
@SuperBeautifulNoise
@SuperBeautifulNoise 7 күн бұрын
Monkey's Paw but close enough lol.
@dozencatfish1667
@dozencatfish1667 7 күн бұрын
There are things in the codex that I dislike, like the infantry squad stuff, but it feels like GW can't win with these Krieg models. When everyone thought the engineers were OP people were saying GW were just trying to sell the range with OP rules, now it's a "middle finger" because rough riders are better than the death riders. It's starting to feel a bit whiney...
@Idolatry-pn6mn
@Idolatry-pn6mn 7 күн бұрын
Competitive probably, but im enjoying the sculpts
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 7 күн бұрын
@@dozencatfish1667 you know the community isn't a monolith right? some people complaining about one thing and other people complaining about a different thing is not whiney.
@flameski_
@flameski_ 7 күн бұрын
It's unfortunate that these horses are the centerpiece of the new box, but cavalry has close to no support ingame - no detachment has a central role for them, most strategems don't benefit them...
@ZaylidinOfficial
@ZaylidinOfficial 7 күн бұрын
I would argue Recon benefits cavalry a moderate amount, but otherwise I agree. The death korps box is a strange combination of models. Should have had a better mix of units, it's nearly all cavalry... Same as the new Combat Patrol. GW really wants to sell us horses!
@KnightsofTitan
@KnightsofTitan 7 күн бұрын
The recon detachment have a couple strats just for cavalry. Supports there gw is just shit at marketing that
@Pers0n97
@Pers0n97 6 күн бұрын
Its as if... as if detachment and stratagems were garbage designs to begin with that greatly stifle diversity in the game.
@hurrsia
@hurrsia 7 күн бұрын
Imperial Guard just got slapped to hell with the Datasheet release today. GW just has no idea what the fuck they're doing with their game.
@nicholassmith7984
@nicholassmith7984 6 күн бұрын
I've worked in mobile gaming for a few years, but even that gives me some idea what the decision making processes may be like in the game teams.
@lemurlock4689
@lemurlock4689 Күн бұрын
You use full tank or mecanized infantery that very strong wtf are you talking about
@cyanideinmycereal1077
@cyanideinmycereal1077 6 күн бұрын
I love that Krieg, who almost didn’t exist 2 years ago because all our shit got legends’d, got a whole box focussing on them, and they still managed to be shit.
@andersfrostbertelsen1159
@andersfrostbertelsen1159 7 күн бұрын
I think a generic officer option would really help them. Dreir is a little bit of an all-or-nothing option, and a cheaper model (or a command squad) giving them one order, a minor buff and the opportunity for an enhancement from their detachment rules would make a big difference.
@ColonelHoganStalag13
@ColonelHoganStalag13 7 күн бұрын
They had a squadron commander option before. Looks like GW has just decided to ignore that idea. Such an officer would be useful for orders and maybe adding a little combat punch.
@Scarloc17
@Scarloc17 7 күн бұрын
I agree, thankfully the DKOK Marshall is still Legend so I'll keep running 3 in my games. My friends are all OK with that and I'm not playing in GW official tournaments so...
@vatiti9573
@vatiti9573 6 күн бұрын
@@ColonelHoganStalag13 And it gave the Infiltrators ability to the squad to attach them to said Death Rider Squadron Commander.
@christerprestberg3973
@christerprestberg3973 7 күн бұрын
It really feels like they are supposed to have scouts >.>
@dudebromanguy
@dudebromanguy 7 күн бұрын
or infiltrate? the forge world death rider officer gave them infiltrate pre-codex
@ZeCommissar
@ZeCommissar 7 күн бұрын
I miss the Death Korps from the classic rules, the new models are great, I guess. It feels like they took away the soul of "augmented mounts that can shrug off damage". Then again, I'm still bitter about Thudd guns losing specialty ammo and our acid gas bombs, plus the rest of our resin range that was unique. I loved having players come over just to ask me "Wow, what model is THAT?" We didn't even care if they eventually got worse with newer rules because they had that "cool factor". Maybe I'm just getting old, but man am I tired of the Next Best Thing missing the fun flavor of the old army.
@izwe794
@izwe794 7 күн бұрын
They really lost a lot by losing the death rider officer which gave infiltrate.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 7 күн бұрын
It's almost like they should have gotten both a named and unnamed cavalry character.
@Green_Phos
@Green_Phos 7 күн бұрын
I get what you mean but at least he's still usable in legends datasheets for casual games. The keywords still match also. For most games I still plan on continuing to take a marshal and other legends units. I've yet to play a game where someone was dead against using legends datasheets.
@anthonyhalloway428
@anthonyhalloway428 7 күн бұрын
​@@Green_PhosSame if I'm being honest. Half of my Space Marines got dumpstered into Legends right at the start of edition, so I've been using them this whole time and nobody has had an issue with it. Legends rules are still rules.
@andrewking8811
@andrewking8811 7 күн бұрын
I canceled my preorder after I saw they nerfed literally everything in the box before day 1
@DocWhat
@DocWhat 7 күн бұрын
Auspex can you do a video on how viable a full cav army for guard would be ?
@stripeybag6977
@stripeybag6977 7 күн бұрын
Trying to reenact the Emperor vs Void Dragon be like.
@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs
@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs 7 күн бұрын
Seeing as there is 2 Cav units and 2 Cav characters (only 1 can go with Cav), not very well in more than a 1000pt game
@izwe794
@izwe794 7 күн бұрын
You can bring 62 cav models for about 700 points.
@_Xerota_
@_Xerota_ 7 күн бұрын
​@@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gsLeontus can lead Attilans
@onthecouch6982
@onthecouch6982 2 күн бұрын
@DocWhat not sure about "full" - but you can definitely have alot of fun with it. I will be throwing down 20 roughs and 20 Deaths with my guard.
@markstewardson4006
@markstewardson4006 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review, when I saw their datasheet and dreir I was surprised at how badly they seemed to stack up against rough riders. Hopefully this doesn't lead to nerfs for rough riders to push the new models
@zorak2101
@zorak2101 7 күн бұрын
Giant footprint and insane cost if you run 10+dreir... no survivability.... barely a pip of ap... I think I will just run them as rough riders until the rules improve
@uwesca6263
@uwesca6263 7 күн бұрын
Wish that dreir could lead roughriders
@onthecouch6982
@onthecouch6982 2 күн бұрын
@@zorak2101 30 attacks at Ap2 is "barely a pip of ap"?
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
@@onthecouch6982only 1 can carry AP2 the test have their pointless AP0 melee
@onthecouch6982
@onthecouch6982 2 күн бұрын
@Chasemcloud5745 that is categorically wrong. I am staring at the datasheet. "All death riders come equipped with a power Saber, a frag Lance, and a Las carbine" Every member of the squad has a power Saber AND a frag Lance - you optionally pick each time they swing. A 10 man unit can option for the sabers on every model.
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
@@onthecouch6982 incorrect
@fenristhor9204
@fenristhor9204 7 күн бұрын
Reactive move to preasure objectives and deny charges is insanely effective.
@dudebromanguy
@dudebromanguy 7 күн бұрын
they had that pre-codex but everything else about them got worse and they're just as expensive.
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
(In)effective
@Silverdragon83X
@Silverdragon83X 7 күн бұрын
Short answer: Glascanons and only do damage with Marshal Dreir in charge. Their ability is nice, but not game changing, strongly depends on the final points
@pikciwok6360
@pikciwok6360 7 күн бұрын
So... not cannons, just glass?
@KeyvanArian
@KeyvanArian 7 күн бұрын
what damage? :/
@matthewschmitz1765
@matthewschmitz1765 7 күн бұрын
I've been playing Warhammer for 26 years and never seen a unit of rough riders or whatever they're called now survive to get to the enemy
@ColonelHoganStalag13
@ColonelHoganStalag13 7 күн бұрын
I have 20 of the Forge World ones I've picked up over the years. I primarily got them because of how they look. When they had the built in feel no pain, they were still weak but sometimes managed to cling to life just long enough. Losing that really hurts. The power sabre is good but isn't comparable to the melta lance option. 70/140pts is just too much for what can they do. I found the only practical use for them was using their speed to jump and tie up some unit for a couple of turns or so. They might do enough to get some other unit into place to hit some enemy unit in the flank. Sometimes an opponent leaves a piece of artillery unattended and they can slip through the terrain and rush it and deny it the ability to keep firing. The reactive movement is really a niche tactic that might come up now and again. They can be a screen and that works with a small unit. Large units of Death Riders just don't seem to produce much results.
@StephenHenryIV
@StephenHenryIV 7 күн бұрын
It’s weird to see these guys be more expensive for a less versatile melee unit than Rough Riders.
@optimoespacio
@optimoespacio 7 күн бұрын
The deathriders mean I can take all the rough riders AND the deathriders. Cavalry army ftw!
@SilentButDudley
@SilentButDudley 7 күн бұрын
No Melta Lance is really weird imo.
@keetonmitchell4669
@keetonmitchell4669 7 күн бұрын
While not necessarily Krieg specific, I wonder what balance change (points or gear adjustment) could be made if the lances were made into one-shot weapons. Something used in a grand charge but then they needed to swap to sabers after (or they use sabers up front as they’re holding the lances for a bigger target). Either way, points balancing and comparison to rough riders is unfortunate. Paying that premium to get reactionary movement is not the best. Unless you really want to lean into it, it does seem better to just run their rough rider cousins instead most of the time. That said, a recon element of cavalry focus sounds kinda fun. Run a semi heavy sentinels and cavalry based army
@QuirkyQ32
@QuirkyQ32 7 күн бұрын
i would argue the rough rider ability is also significantly better as you can constantly have them move with fall back and charge, also the rough riders ability allows them to ignore all move, charge and advance modifiers
@rafaskorupa9252
@rafaskorupa9252 7 күн бұрын
Rough riders no more ignore move/charge/advance modifiers with codex
@mikoajpietrych6168
@mikoajpietrych6168 7 күн бұрын
Really disappointed that they lost their 5+ FNP.
@WeijieHe-x8s
@WeijieHe-x8s 7 күн бұрын
if death rider have melta tips as they should, they will probably be much better compared to rough riders simply because they can lead by a character
@desgildanphi8825
@desgildanphi8825 7 күн бұрын
I still miss the 3w 5+++ death Rider
@junkers10130
@junkers10130 7 күн бұрын
I would have liked to see GW play into their toughness more, like having 3 wounds with a 6+FNP. That or give the hunting lances flat 3 attacks at S5 AP-1 D1 and Lance, then have a special rule that they get +1AP and +1D on their Hunting Lances when they complete a charge move.
@jimsutter2748
@jimsutter2748 7 күн бұрын
The best use of them is that they have the option to be modeled without any of the lances (and come with the parts to do so!), which makes them less likely to have parts snap off of them. It is unfortunately how I modeled my Rough Riders (for that specific reason), which means that I will likely have to run them as the weaker infantry so that I don't confuse my opponent.
@onthecouch6982
@onthecouch6982 7 күн бұрын
Ill be fielding 10/5/5 death riders and 10/10 rough riders. Love them and they will do fine on the table.
@plasia
@plasia 7 күн бұрын
I'm interested in running 60 Cavalry Guard. But I'm not sure what they were thinking with the power level. Standard GW incompetence I guess.
@sethydeathy
@sethydeathy 7 күн бұрын
They needed their feel no pain to show those horses are monsters
@stormtroopr1977
@stormtroopr1977 7 күн бұрын
Auspex, ive heard noone talk about the loss of "death rider squadron commanders" to legends. their ability that grands [infiltrator] to death riders was some of the biggest value of that unit
@Cruxxy21
@Cruxxy21 7 күн бұрын
Feels like the Krieg box is a win with the models, and a lose with the points and rules…
@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs
@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs 7 күн бұрын
Realistically these guys should've been given a T5 profile with 3 wounds
@morzorkatvfm
@morzorkatvfm 7 күн бұрын
Well, no, a dude and a horse in carapace armor is still not tougher than a marine.
@uwesca6263
@uwesca6263 7 күн бұрын
​@@morzorkatvfm ogryns share quite a lot of their statlines with custodes... Dont overthink it.
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 7 күн бұрын
@@morzorkatvfm its not just a horse dude, its a bio-engineered super horse, its essentially a thunderwarrior horse (way way stronger and tougher than a regular horse, super agressive and mentally unstable). regular horses are already T4, super horses should be atleast T5 or atleast a FNP (they used to have a 5+ FNP)
@Cruxxy21
@Cruxxy21 7 күн бұрын
Would make it a simple comparison, rough riders are glass cannons, death riders would be more tanky
@robbiemintz1460
@robbiemintz1460 7 күн бұрын
What? No way. They’re not even close to Ogryn or terminators in toughness. Maybe a FNP 5+++ or 6+++ and a nicer lance, but definitely not t5
@nicolausg7058
@nicolausg7058 7 күн бұрын
Bring back Vostroya and give us Winged Hussars !
@Nayio2
@Nayio2 7 күн бұрын
That's the video I wanted to see! Thank you
@jimmydesouza4375
@jimmydesouza4375 7 күн бұрын
Considering the rough riders are a straight upgrade to them, and are themselves so weak that they're extremely situational and not used very often, I'd say yes they are too weak.
@Sonofthelion456
@Sonofthelion456 7 күн бұрын
I feel like they target anti-infantry well. if they were to get a buff, they could get anti-infantry five for the hunting lance or they could get the melta lance
@TwoandaHalfWargamers
@TwoandaHalfWargamers 7 күн бұрын
Anyone for a 60 strong cavalry charge?
@RevanR
@RevanR 7 күн бұрын
"Friendship ended with Attilan Rough Riders, now Death Riders of Krieg is my best friend" - Meta gamer
@mowaiken2002101
@mowaiken2002101 7 күн бұрын
y not both ? other people plays 40k in 40k, IG plays old world in 40k
@TheBoggeln
@TheBoggeln 7 күн бұрын
Deathriders are my initial screening. Prior to losing the squadron commander. Infiltrate two 5 man squads and kite the enemy's first wave so then my guardsmen can lay into them. Then they charge the survivors and then tie up the enemy's vehicles if the death riders survived.
@sailorpete1457
@sailorpete1457 6 күн бұрын
Curious to know with inflation and rising prices, if buying a resin Krieg back in then, compared to buying plastic now, as of prices
@WeOnlyEatSoup
@WeOnlyEatSoup 7 күн бұрын
Personally I love calvary in 40k
@dominikvonlavante6113
@dominikvonlavante6113 7 күн бұрын
IMHO it is the most stupid idea possible.
@blem5376
@blem5376 7 күн бұрын
@@dominikvonlavante6113exactly doesn’t make any sense
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 7 күн бұрын
@@dominikvonlavante6113 it makes as much sense as the rest of the setting, if you can accept bioengineered super soldiers that fight in melee you can accept bioengineered super horses that fight in melee.
@Jarlballin123
@Jarlballin123 7 күн бұрын
It’s a pretty cool thing, but it’s a shame 40k doesn’t actually have Calvary behave like Calvary. Cause it’s a shite game system
@konradd7567
@konradd7567 7 күн бұрын
The only use i see for them is charge blocking. They should be good for that as single 5 man units. Drier would be ok as a 3 order frontline officer, because if he gets up he can give 3 new orders (take cover) to a total of 6 a battle round. But not at 100 pts.
@Cruxxy21
@Cruxxy21 7 күн бұрын
Possibly thinking of running Drier with a unit of 5 as a mobile order dispenser / firefighting counter charge unit.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 7 күн бұрын
As someone who has been playing krieg for over a decade, these are a huge disappointment
@dragonet111
@dragonet111 7 күн бұрын
Those horses remind me of the Hrulgrin from the belgariad
@rodneygaul2227
@rodneygaul2227 7 күн бұрын
Beer & Pretzel / Narrative game ? They have the "rule of cool" Competitively ? They will never see the light of day as rules are written Rogal Dorn tank commander cost less , which would you pick ?
@dkminer9954
@dkminer9954 7 күн бұрын
Its such a shame that things with a box set all too often end up sucking over things that do not
@nicholassmith7984
@nicholassmith7984 6 күн бұрын
Guard units aren't meant to be strong; they're meant to be numerous.
@danilocolombo7248
@danilocolombo7248 6 күн бұрын
Well, i have take them because they look good, but i think i will use them to be Rough Riders for now
@JoshuaBeckmann-c6f
@JoshuaBeckmann-c6f 7 күн бұрын
According to the lore they are supposed to be an anti-infantry. So would argue that the unit should be just better at killing infantry. for example you could give the unit a rule that works on all units but against infantry they gain an additional benefit. For example, after they has made a successful charge roll. Roll a dice for every model in the unit and on 5+ the unit that got charged suffers 1 mortal wound (maximum of 6 mortal wounds). If the enemy unit has the infantry keyword add 1 to the roll. You could also add to Dires devastating charge ability to add an additional 1 to roll.
@JoshuaBeckmann-c6f
@JoshuaBeckmann-c6f 7 күн бұрын
I would also try to change the Atitlan rough riders though. by giving them a general purpose lance and then give them the ability to chose either anti-infantry or anti-vehicle and monster, to make them more general purpose and then create a Catchan Calvary squad that specifically deals with monsters and vehicles.
@KnightsofTitan
@KnightsofTitan 7 күн бұрын
So didnt read the lore then. Death riders where a primarly anti tank unit with melta lances. To the point other cavalry units started using them
@JoshuaBeckmann-c6f
@JoshuaBeckmann-c6f 7 күн бұрын
@@KnightsofTitan sorry I asked an AI what their specialism was, probably should have fact checked.
@SubSonicEctomorph
@SubSonicEctomorph 7 күн бұрын
I’m buying the box in spite of knowing this is not a competitive move. Absolutely running these as rough riders that look badass
@TheJamesboink
@TheJamesboink 7 күн бұрын
Probably a matter of time until they're overbuffed.
@loltwest9423
@loltwest9423 6 күн бұрын
It seems like they forgot to print out the profile for the melta-lance. It genuinely feels like we only got HALF of the Krieg release. But hey, isn’t that just par for the course with GW. Nickel and dime us again. I’m sure that won’t come to bite you in the ass.
@jasonhickle7584
@jasonhickle7584 7 күн бұрын
Did they forget to add FnP to the unit?
@jamesramey4050
@jamesramey4050 7 күн бұрын
I’ll have a lord Marshall Dreyr and 10 death riders for sale in a few weeks 😢
@AlexanderHemedinger
@AlexanderHemedinger 7 күн бұрын
Nice to see them. :)
@itsamemalario
@itsamemalario 7 күн бұрын
I think I'll mix 9th and 10th rules together
@zach8888
@zach8888 7 күн бұрын
Really glad they arent better than the rough riders.
@tormunnvii3317
@tormunnvii3317 6 күн бұрын
Why aren’t Lucius pattern lasguns more powerful than the regular lasgun in the tabletop rules? Lore nerds and Darktide vets know what i mean 😉
@bobafettig8899
@bobafettig8899 7 күн бұрын
Their benefit in 9th and before then was that they were lower damage but 3 wounds and a 5+ fnp. When they took that away in 10th I was pretty sad, but after I saw the new models I was hoping the would get at least a little durability back, but I guess not. If not at least a better speed than rough riders considering the GMO horses, or scout, but nah, whoever designed this datasheet is a bit of a dumbass. I have a theory that GW probably never actually calculates expected damage against targets and just balances based on vibes. Because if they actually did that they would be cheaper that rough riders, or have better non combat rules, smh
@Pers0n97
@Pers0n97 6 күн бұрын
You had ONE job GW.
@nickbilske8140
@nickbilske8140 7 күн бұрын
I wish we got guard bikes over horses
@TheLostAdventurer
@TheLostAdventurer 7 күн бұрын
Frankly, the idea of making both combat patrols mostly mounted seems kind of like an ass decision. Sure the Krieg box sold amazing, but its contents are trash.
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
Mine will be getting sold as soon as I pick it up
@morganlindsay8872
@morganlindsay8872 7 күн бұрын
Zamn
@cactusproductions6531
@cactusproductions6531 7 күн бұрын
Still don’t understand why death riders didn’t get a melta lance, they seem just worse than rough riders in every way aside from aesthetics
@admiralkun8996
@admiralkun8996 7 күн бұрын
Yeah these will be proxy for rough riders till some buffs happen lol
@gideonkimbrel7181
@gideonkimbrel7181 6 күн бұрын
Why not use both death riders and Attilan rough riders. Together they shall be unstoppable
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
With AP0 S3 🤣
@MildTabascofries
@MildTabascofries 7 күн бұрын
I’m really not a fan of the idea of death riders. When I want to play krieg I want big blobs of infantry and lots of artillery.
@Pestilencemage
@Pestilencemage 7 күн бұрын
...death riders are shock troops, not skirmishers.
@adamcarey7712
@adamcarey7712 7 күн бұрын
Excited horsey gas mask noises
@AlterumVeniet
@AlterumVeniet 7 күн бұрын
Yes. The frag lance is garbage. I'm using them as rough riders with melta lance lol. Sadly this means I can't use the Lord Marshall, but S4 ap0 D1 is insanely bad.
@richardseaton6390
@richardseaton6390 6 күн бұрын
I've just ordered 20 Les Grognards cavalry from wargames atlantic...they're cheaper, look fantastic and I can use Atillan/Death Rider rules as I see fit without being tied to either. I see no need to jump on this hype train...
@daringdarius5686
@daringdarius5686 7 күн бұрын
I'm done with the non-Krieg community reacting to Krieg. Either the models are too expensive and overpowered at low points, or weak and worthless. Pick your poison, it's a horde army. It boils down to this: are you an actual Krieg player? This box (and release/launch) a massive W. Box sold out immediately and many re-salers and scalpers are not discounting the box set. If you don't feel this way, you aren't a Krieg player, plain and simple. Go somewhere else, pick up the individual Engineer box and move on with your life.
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
Or just accept you have a very bad army 😂
@jimskaven5963
@jimskaven5963 7 күн бұрын
Far too squishy to do too little damage. They'll get more use as proxies.
@Silverdragon83X
@Silverdragon83X 7 күн бұрын
They need Dreir and a charge to do damage, so one unit might be played. But still not outstanding, maybe in combined arms detachment against elite infantry
@beardedchampion4321
@beardedchampion4321 7 күн бұрын
Do GW actually know what they are doing?
@GalacticBrew
@GalacticBrew 5 күн бұрын
I plan to just proxy them as Rough Riders. Love m Krieg, but RAW and Points-wise, the deathriders are not worth it in almost any respect.
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
I wouldn’t even bother tbh mate
@alejandrotorcida9607
@alejandrotorcida9607 6 күн бұрын
yes, yes they are :v yes the new marshall in the box is useless, and yes the engineers look cool, but weapons with no ap and only flamer, so cheap use an discard unit, arty detatchment insta nerfed, no malcadors, no marshalls, no valdor, so THANKS GW :D you make your rules like your food, full with nurgle gifts
@dkminer9954
@dkminer9954 7 күн бұрын
Death rider squadron? I mean… thats kinda like having a squadron keyword right? Sounds right to me Lol would that even do anything for them?
@dakotamccaig3783
@dakotamccaig3783 7 күн бұрын
They'd auto advance 6 in hammer of the emperor and can be ordered by tank commanders
@GeneralMarbles
@GeneralMarbles 7 күн бұрын
Man they’d be S tier in AoS with that movement trick. Unfortunately screening against melee only sometimes matters in 40K. And all it takes is an army with ANY shooting to just remove them to make way for the charge you’re trying to make. Super excited for them to be 40 points at the end of 10th so we can get gaurs back in the #1 least affordable army spot!
@pixelgoat7317
@pixelgoat7317 7 күн бұрын
Kriegsman: Look at my horrrrrse, my horse is amazing-! 🎵🎶
@Damnedlegion40k
@Damnedlegion40k 7 күн бұрын
Add a comment...😢
@FireHazard007
@FireHazard007 7 күн бұрын
Day 11 of asking auspex tactics to play 40k in 40 minutes.
@40kthrawn30
@40kthrawn30 7 күн бұрын
Hear me out just proxy them
@LordNerfherder
@LordNerfherder 7 күн бұрын
They are horses. They are not joining my tank army just because gw sales department decided they should. I am not a fool. Disgusting attitude. Kinda shameful that people (even this channel) helped push sales for terrible and toxic marketing behaviours from gw.
@dominikvonlavante6113
@dominikvonlavante6113 7 күн бұрын
@@LordNerfherder 100%
@kerry848
@kerry848 7 күн бұрын
3 mins ago 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@lemurlock4689
@lemurlock4689 Күн бұрын
The new krieg In general are pretty bad everything are less good than this cadian version expect for the standart krieg soldier
@andrewlaedtke1720
@andrewlaedtke1720 7 күн бұрын
No views at 18 seconds?
@Cake92077
@Cake92077 7 күн бұрын
A view happens after someone watches for at least 30 seconds or something like that
@grapetonenatches186
@grapetonenatches186 7 күн бұрын
Sad day indeed. The end is neigh. Probably be censored off yt by morning. Maybe even sooner. Was a good channel. Sad to see it go. Maybe there is still hope. If I can stop crying ill check the views after 1 minute. Fingers crossed for the future of humanity and all that. God speed.
@anthonysauls1446
@anthonysauls1446 7 күн бұрын
GW is worthless and incompetent. How do you screw up this bad? I understood when they were forge world they were intentionally kept bad so they wouldn't compete with the main company's products, but now that they are part of the standard plastic gw line and a debut model for a new codex I expected them to have some balance and quality added to them. I've been a krieg player for years, gw keeps letting me down more and more
@Majere613
@Majere613 7 күн бұрын
I have a fair bit of sympathy for those responsible for trying to set the points for these guys. On the one hand they're neither all that tough, nor all that hard-hitting, so it seems like they should be cheap. On the other with their fairly large footprint and the reactive move they can potentially wreak havoc on an opponent's attempts to move up the board, especially melee armies, potentially blocking one unit from moving up and then reactive moving to gum up another one. They have the potential to be seriously annoying in Recon and might even see play to screen tanks in the other Detachments.
@Meow110
@Meow110 7 күн бұрын
This is a bad unit from a bad codex designed to grift guard players. Huge thumbs down.
@KeyvanArian
@KeyvanArian 7 күн бұрын
bad codex? The codex is awesome
@KeyvanArian
@KeyvanArian 7 күн бұрын
I mean the detachments are awesome also just print your own models f GW
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
@KeyvanArianawful codex
@WeebMachine
@WeebMachine 7 күн бұрын
excited gas mask noises*
@MrVlad12340
@MrVlad12340 7 күн бұрын
Sadly they arent good.
@grapetonenatches186
@grapetonenatches186 7 күн бұрын
Guys, its not about chasing the meta or having the best army or even impressing your gf with your huge bulging soldiers. Its about giving gw all your money.
@MrSillySquirel
@MrSillySquirel 7 күн бұрын
Tbh rough riders are probably undercosted
@Chasemcloud5745
@Chasemcloud5745 2 күн бұрын
Crap rules crap models
@dominikvonlavante6113
@dominikvonlavante6113 7 күн бұрын
Those death riders are the most stupid units possible in a sci-fi franchise. Give me something motorized and grim dark.
@morzorkatvfm
@morzorkatvfm 7 күн бұрын
40k is science fantasy not science fiction. We have wizards here too.
@1rbdt
@1rbdt 7 күн бұрын
You're the type to complain about super-soldiers hitting the battlefield in brightly colored armor, huh?
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 7 күн бұрын
they are bio-engineered super horses, way more sci-fi than something motorized.
@dominikvonlavante6113
@dominikvonlavante6113 7 күн бұрын
@@morzorkatvfm But stupid horses with lances ... I want something grim dark / grim derp. E.g. an open top battle bulldozer fuelled by the corpses of friend and foe alike.
@TheRealMeursault
@TheRealMeursault 7 күн бұрын
​@@dominikvonlavante6113Krieg is modelled after WWI armies, and at least in the beginning cavalry units were a thing and depending on environment, surprisingly effective. I'd say that fits in the game.
@sailorpete1457
@sailorpete1457 6 күн бұрын
Curious to know with inflation and rising prices, if buying a resin Krieg back in then, compared to buying plastic now, as of prices
@jasonhickle7584
@jasonhickle7584 7 күн бұрын
Did they forget to add FnP to the unit?
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