Austin Archey - Lorna Shore (Natty OR NOT)

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[@daveruckidrums]

Austin Archey. HIGH quality drummer. Highest quality human being.

[@nicknelson6583]

Damn I read it as HGH quality drummer.. so not natty..

[@Virvum_Juggernaut]

@@nicknelson6583 Now you’ll have me searching for gaps in his teeth lol.

[@theolympiyn8670]

@@nicknelson6583oh no… who fucking cares

[@nicknelson6583]

@@theolympiyn8670 nobody does. Jokes.

[@jasper_thefriendly_ghost]

First off, Austin is an absolute beast. No need for anyone to try and argue otherwise. Secondly, in Austin's drum play through for 'Darkest Spawn' he does include Foot Blaster Bass Triggers as one of his sponsors at the beginning of the video, and that for me, is him being upfront, honest, and fully transparent about how his kicks are tracked/recorded. By no means does that mean he can't play at the speed of the recording (Craig confirms this with his commentary on the live video) it just means the bass kicks are tracked using triggers. At least that is my understanding as someone who is not a musician/drummer, but who is doing their best to learn about the recording aspects of music and sound engineering. Please, by all means, correct me if I'm wrong! Can't wait to see you and the rest of the dudes from SFTP with Spiritbox and Underoath in two weeks! I am FUCKING PUMPEDDDD!

[@titustheboxer2364]

Nailed it dude people don’t really know what their taking about with triggers for the most part when they shit on them. Their gods gift to drummers all around (says the atheist😂)

[@herrzim9656]

Drumtrigger basically use some form of sensor (like laser, or sometimes mechanical stuff) to register hits on the drum, not the sound. These „hit“ signals then trigger samples in the recording software. For doublebass above 160-180bpm most drummers use triggers, because the faster you play, the quieter it gets. Especially for live scenarios bassdrum triggers are important. No one complains about bassdrum triggers, because even though, you get away with less power, you need to be very precise for it to sound good. (Except you quantise the hits after the recording. That means, you align them digitally to the metronome) Triggers on other drums (snare and tom) are often looked down upon, because it doesn’t matter how weak or on which point you hit the drum, the sound is the same. !!!most of the time!!! Some people like 66samus use triggers on all their drums, that record the dynamics too.

[@Virvum_Juggernaut]

You’re not wrong man and it’s refreshing to find a non-drummer has bothered to research the use of triggers before ignorantly commenting. As an extreme metal drummer myself, they are indispensable. The faster your foot speed kick wise, the less intelligible the individual strokes become on standard acoustic bass drums with mics only. It shits me when ignoramuses call it “cheating”, because triggers don’t enable one to play faster and when utilising them, there is nowhere to hide your double bass mistakes. Edit : Using triggers, it’s possible in concert with other tech, of course, to manipulate the high bpm input from the bass drums to align them more metronomically, but that is cheating imo.

[@YeahImAnthony]

@@herrzim9656 I've always wanted an aux snare triggered just for that giant snare sound with tons of reverb. Never had the chance to mess around with them.

[@BigDaddyBeefPatty]

NO ONE plays this fast without triggers. The triggers just help register the sound for him and make each hit sound uniformed. He still has to play each note.

[@drummusician]

If they can play it without quantizing and have it sound sick AF, why quantize it? And yes this is def quantized and sample replaced. To me personally, nothing beats a raw drummer that isn't afraid to show how they really sound. It is sad to see some of the most human elements like dynamics, feel and intricacies absolutely obliterated by processing. These are some of the things that really create identities with drummers and more and more, they are being sidelined for production value. Playing consistent enough but still having some character in your playing is one of the hardest things to do, and if it is not longer valued we may eventually lose it. That being said there will always be some purist nut job out there like me that will go through whatever hell it takes just to see if he can.

[@RhysK94]

Pffft what would you know ? ;)

[@cluelesscapitalgroup]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Matt Garstka.

[@TigerMountain]

I’m old. Lombardo sounded incredible to me in 88 and 90 seeing them; don’t think it was triggered! There’s a video of the actual Justice tour I was at on KZbin (it was the final date of the tour and I in 7th grade). Point: definitely not quantized on Lars that night! Meh: if I understand what’s being done on some of these vids w Space Pedals and singles/doubles/triples correctly…man. It’s a drag. Not this video, per se. You just had a great comment.

[@Joose]

Because this sounds cool as fuck too, good sir.

[@mike_s_media]

Since no one actually answered your question, quantizing the drums to clean them up a bit vs quantizing/sampling them because you cant play the beat at all are two entirely different things. In this genre the music is as heavy and tight as it is because of the quantization and the noise gates, and editing, and eq'ing. Without all of those components the music will start to sound spongy which isn't really a "bad" thing but it's not desired in this style of music. It's ultimately a preference and a similar technique to what guitarists, bassists, and vocalists do (rather the producer etc) to clean up their tones. It's modern metal/music and it helps keep the sounds tight. Also, when you play in such low tunings you have to keep it tight or it will very quickly get muddy and sound like shit even despite each musician being able to play the songs without aid. A lot of environmental factors affect that outcome! Hope that answered your question.

[@chrisburckhard9122]

Waiting for a Natty or Not on Kevin Paradis. I know he's natty, but the sheer speed of that man is mind-boggling!

[@miked.8863]

Agreed. Kevin is a monster.

[@drewkerr7266]

I've been waiting for a Kevin Paradis video for months. Actually, I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone mention him in the comments which is shocking to me.

[@chrisburckhard9122]

@@drewkerr7266 I've been wanting to say something since I first watched his Ken Bedene video. But, I figured it might come up eventually. It never did, so I thought now was a good time to mention it. Lol

[@metalmattalogue6761]

His cover of Mayhems Watchers is unreal.

[@joshuachan56]

@@metalmattalogue6761 That and Behemoth's Prometherion are fucking sick. I've watched those 2 vids over 15 times each and they never fail to impress me.

[@FigNeutered]

I remember originally not being sold on Austin back in the old Godmaker days but I feel like the band as a whole has matured a lot and Austin in particular is an absolute beast that can truly play his parts clean as hell. Not to mention the fact that they're writing really cool stuff these days. Thanks for the reporting Craig! 👊

[@drew_on_drums]

Austin was in a band called godmaker?

[@FigNeutered]

@@drew_on_drums I'm still referring to Lorna Shore but in a weird way. I mean back in 2015-2016 when they were playing Godmaker from their EP Maleficium. It was the first song I heard by em lol

[@Virvum_Juggernaut]

@@FigNeutered Trippy. It was the first track I heard from them also when a mate back in the day put it on and asked : “Do you know these dudes?” and I replied : “Why would I want to?” Obviously my opinion has changed. They’re a polished unit of late and I’m digging their current direction.

[@aydindagdeviren101]

hows it goin man, just wanna say huge fan of your videos, really does make my day keep doing what youre doing, peace and love from wales

[@Virvum_Juggernaut]

Austin can definitely play it. His heal-toe double strokes live are super tight. Edit : Killer drummer and cool human.

[@guttembergsilva9392]

Kkk

[@tonymartinez5798]

His double-triggers on the kick drums make me go . Hmph Sick performance tho But kick drums don’t seem natty in all parts Shows us the real footage AA

[@severeddeity8090]

Seeing him live, I can truly say that hes accurate as shit

[@encoreuncon]

crying 😂

[@tonyxpogo]

You do realize things can be done live to clean up any errors, also a backing track. I’d want to hear a clean track - no bells or whistles.

[@Prophecy6]

Please continue to pause it every .25 seconds. Love it.

[@Djpaulyt]

It’s true it’s quantized I’m the drum stick

[@Crcmvnt]

I was rehearsal room roommates with Lorna Shore wayyyy back. Austin is legit, kid shreds

[@meags2712]

Hey Craig might_meags here lol, for real didn't know you were recording this when I subbed. I just jumped into stream and hit it right away so I missed the set up lol but going to be honest being called a prick by the great Reynlord himself made my day! I'll try to behave next month

[@deadsoulxiii]

immortalised forever on youtube

[@RTSRAZORBACK]

Welcome to the club... kinda 😆 he did a video after I subbed just to ask him to check out Dan Presland and the video is titled "+10 Blastbeat Mana in SKYRIM" 😎

[@coryhofing-drummer7441]

Yeah that play through is fucking sick regardless and Austin is a legend. Saw Lorna Shore back when they were touring with Fit for an autopsy and I knew they were gonna do big things. wish I chatted with him more that night but I got fucked up with Josean and it was pretty good times. end of story. love the vid homie!

[@chrismartinguitar]

I would definitely like to see you do a reaction to Eric Morotti from Suffocation. He is one of the tightest live metal drummers I’ve ever seen.

[@vanilla.gorilla.]

Just discovered you bro, mad props to you for saying the shit that a lot people are afraid to say. subbed

[@kevinmcquade1688]

I don’t think people are afraid to say it, I think they just don’t care because it’s not a big deal.

[@vanilla.gorilla.]

@@kevinmcquade1688 I'm sure that's true for some, but I do think it's important to keep drummers honest in this respect because there's a lot of kids who look up to these guys. Just like there's kids that look up to certain bodybuilders who claim they're all natural but actually use steroids and these kids wonder why they can't obtain the same results, therefore fucking with their confidence. The same can be said about the kids that look up to these big name drummers and the perceived standard they're setting. Not the biggest deal in the world but not something that should be ignored either.

[@MatthewSparks]

The FAART Machine slights never get old

[@Jordy666sic]

Loool that was subtle

[@Sh1bble]

"Everyone knows playthroughs are replaced by album audio" - Ben Harclerode, ex Whitechapel drummer would like a word 😂 His section 8 playthrough was AMAZING

[@t3hgir]

If I took anabolic steroids I would probably play drums better too

[@christopherrice6023]

Can we get a video on Wyatt Stav. He either has the best sounding drum kit on youtube, or all of his shit is programmed. ESPECIALLY when he does the "How to play" videos when he slows down the BPM.

[@FrankTheSmithTV]

Most his stuff is mixed by Chris Ghazel so I wouldn't be surprised if it's 90% live with some low samples layered in, but I downloaded the audio to his Avril Lavigne video and put the audio in a session at 170 bpm and it's 100% perfectly locked into the grid so it's time aligned for sure. I don't think he claims natty tho

[@hannesdrumss]

I just finished transcribing the drum part for Guillotine, I can't wait to try it out. That's some seriously creative drumming in there!

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

it goes it goes it goes it goes it goes

[@adfrazie37]

Cafe 611 in frederick md, pa wasn’t working and its a small venue, lorna opted to play without using the house speakers, no samples, just the guitar amps. I sat on the stage behind him, he could play it. The beaters during doubles look strange in this playthrough vid. They look like single strokes

[@tedb_1723]

99% sure the snare is the GGD high tuned bell brass from modern and massive? Sounds identical

[@scottfleck2223]

You should check out Austin Archey playing live with Lorna Shore at the house of Independents or the cobra lounge.

[@devinxharper]

Yeah, I will straight up leave as much of the drummer's hands - specifically the cymbal work - as unedited as I can in my productions. As well as 'clever use of samples' as you mentioned here to maintain some semblance of natural feel in their performances. Though most of these drummers I'm working with aren't nearly as good as this dude haha

[@markbond08]

Do you HONESTLY believe that snare was making that sound from that stick height? Dudes not a hard hitter and that snare sounded more choked than Rudi’s blasts

[@brianfleming5882]

When I was in high-school we were broke so I played through our song about 20 times and we just moved a Mike around to each drum and cymbal. Sounded awful

[@svvitchkick4187]

CANT WAIT SEE YOU GUYS IN TORONTO!

[@redlightclinicdrummer]

even then bro how do you know hes not got the triggers programmed to go off live?

[@phalanxiatheroan863]

I kinda like the idea that they clean up the human frailty side in favor for perfection on video, the guy can play it live. It's a specific sound they are going for and it sounds good.

[@dannybrown5205]

Music forensics is wild man

[@drummerbum1398]

I'd like to see you watch one of Charlie Thorpes playthroughs of Malevolence. No triggers or anything. All natural. Really good drummer.

[@user-gu3ie]

I really hope you will do the Kevin Paradis video of his cover of Watchers from Mayhem... it's still pretty much the most amazing video I've seen...the speed is almost unbelievable

[@LarryLooseman]

Let's get a natty or not on those phenomenal eyebrows

[@supremexruler]

5:26 has me fucking dying

[@UroboricNate]

I hate this, cant wait to cleanse my pallet when i see Lille Gruber with Defeated Sanity next month.

[@Wherespaulbearer]

Wicked analysis Creg. Well done! I'd wanna watch the last season of Game of Thrones in this 11:49 Do Ray Luzier from Korn next!

[@DaemonDrummer33]

Not to take anything away from him, but there are kicks happening at about 6:55 that he definitely doesn't play in the take shown lol. I'm just saying it's not a one take, unedited performance. He's a great drummer though.

[@woehrle17]

Austin Archey has his own KZbin channel now where posts videos from their love shows with only camera audio. The dude can play it all live.

[@l0ne851]

I like how his toes don't leave the pedals at all

[@LouZeffer1]

Brilliant this. Thanks mate.

[@colinbrannon2051]

Just found you in my reccomended, you have a very nice voice lmao

[@darkallyrecordings4931]

Without triggers/Samples....I doubt you'd hear very much other than the snare. Austin is a great dummer just disappears without samples/triggers. Very light player. Altogether I can agree with your assessment.

[@ryanstellmaker]

Heel toe is super easy with triggers I don’t think this is quantized

[@jerm2332]

I’m curious about your opinion on BLASTBEATOLOGY. I’m confident it’s natural, it’s just that his push pull is fucking nutty.

[@maxpruett4920]

Craig don't down play yourself your great at drums.

[@louie1517]

It's also worth noting that he has/had a herniated disc so his playing could differ a bit.

[@mattyac7740]

Austin is 100% legit. 66Samus did a drum play through of To the Hellfire and nailed it…drumming like this is not impossible at all. There’s so many drummers that can do this with heel toe and amazing hand technique 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@AndrewDRoyappa]

it's amazing what triggers can do yes

[@Sparklzmotion]

@@AndrewDRoyappa Triggers are great man!

[@ethansharp8815]

@@AndrewDRoyappa Right....except you have to actually have the speed and technique to trigger said trigger correctly all the way through the song. Which is of course more skill and talent than 99% the trigger triggered complainers will ever amount to....LOL

[@KevinCorkran]

AUSTINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[@FLmetalhead]

Beneath the Massacre is probably the most absurdly fast.

[@sethhoffman8213]

5:25 had me rolling 🤣

[@Kain_R_Heinlein]

This sample, replacement, quantizing and programming (*cough!* Aaron Kitcher) seems to be way more common in deathcore than other genres of metal. So it doesn't surprise me that they are often times not natty sounding lol

[@jeshuggah7325]

Look at me commenting on a year old video but I feel that the snare was sample replaced MOST of the time through the song. Some cleanup was also made on everything most of the time. Still one of the more natural sounding drum playthroughs from the core scene in a while... :l

[@ronanator789]

He messed up ever ever ever so slightly at 7:50 ( timings off from the original track). Idk if its edited or not but its human at least haha.

[@ThisIsGers]

Lol Natty or Not when it comes to musicians is funny af 😂

[@BaerndXP]

I prefer your untidied drumming videos. Feeling in drumming is always worth more than perfection, and feeling always suffers, if you clean up too much.

[@brianbaugusmusic]

10:45 one thing I’ve always haarped on

[@furcoat9458]

Of course the kicks are triggered. Anyone using heel-toe and 90% of speedy double bass is triggered. One thing I’ll say, is live, I was HIGHLY disappointed in his ability. He was my favorite drummer for several years, and it kind of killed it when I saw him live because his play throughs were so clean. He couldn’t hold any blast beat for more than 4 measures, and had to throw in cheap fills to compensate. Not to mention, hardly ever blasted on the ride and snare. He always replaced it with 16th notes in the hats and 32nd on snare

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

the double strokes on the toms/fills and some of the dynamics even taking the speed into account just dont sound or look good imo but anyone could have a bad day on tour

[@ThaBeatConductor]

That was probably during the time he had a ruptured/herniated disk in his back. Go see what he does now.

[@TrealFOET]

​@@ThaBeatConductor yea his back was fucked for a while i saw him last year and he was on point

[@DanielUFObel]

Super easy fix.. Just do it raw.. but you know he never will. Can you guess why?

[@bryanharrison3889]

I'm not saying the video ISN'T edited, but what I will say is that the video wouldn't NEED to be edited.... Austin's pretty damned precise.

[@StillBornSweatShop]

Doesnt austin ever get tired of blast beats, like sun eater is literally filled to the brim with them😂

[@cindyalibaster5409]

was thinking the same thing lol

[@jordanemede]

The fills too it's just 64th snare tom low tom cymbal. I would like the songs much better if he would sit in a pocket and groove more

[@ThaBeatConductor]

@@jordanemede Wouldn't be very lorna shore or deathcore if he did that. Besides, the drums don't specifically fill the groove/rhythm section in a lot of places in lorna shore. That's done by the vocals.

[@jordanemede]

@@ThaBeatConductor yea, personal preference. Like I said, I would like it better if... Props to him on his heal/toe but it just doesn't do it for me. I'll take mid 2000's Chelsea Grin over Lorna all day.

[@JMPTHEGUN]

interestingly enough, i have recorded drums one drum at a time. it was hell and sounded like crap.

[@deadsoulxiii]

may as well just MIDI it at that point!

[@25stealthshooter]

Thank you for watching the LIVE footage. Mad people shitting on drummers for being fake but you can’t fake it live so. Sucks to suck

[@25stealthshooter]

Already anticipating reply’s: I get it you can fake live too smd

[@Virvum_Juggernaut]

@@25stealthshooter I know what you mean dude. No serious professional metal drummer worth his salt would dare fake it live cause they would lose all credibility. There are so many insanely gifted extreme metal drummers around today that band members don’t need to put up with sub-par drummers ... they only need sack him and make a phone call to replace him.

[@mindhunter6606]

what does quantized mean?

[@GalacticCenterOG]

lol omgoodness your Karen voice is just top notch lol 👌🏼

[@chicagojbears]

Ask John Longstreth

[@megadeth8592]

yesssssss

[@LouZeffer1]

Subscribed.

[@garybear8827]

Nah Austin's just a monster.

[@miespeuk7860]

This video is more about Craig talking then the actual drumming...

[@yabuking84]

Is this a new Behemoth album?

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

He's the drummer for Lorna shore not Behemoth

[@matriphagy1318]

I dont know if you can make a video that i can finish. Ill just stop

[@batteryreset6562]

Do a review to one of his new videos

[@CaptStraightEdge]

The triggered BPM on the double bass is so cringe 🤦‍♂️

[@Dearingermeister]

Can you talk without pausing the video?

[@reynlord666]

ny brother in christ your only video is you claiming to have the world record in the mobile game ‘tub tapper’, a game where you must tap the screen as fast as you can.

[@reynlord666]

my mistake there’s some videos of your kid i hope he gets the help he needs

[@maxpruett4920]

What pedal is that?

[@LochNess_drums]

Axis longboards

[@Kingofrock47]

Isn’t it funny can’t find one raw drum track of this anywhere .. Stop already before you say here’s a live video. That shiz fake too.

[@monsta2311]

natty or not Aaron kitchner ??

[@Kain_R_Heinlein]

lmao, super no. Programmed up the ass, he's admitted it

[@bertiebumsbirne]

So hard to understand you….

[@TheCokee47]

Waaaaaay to many camera angle changes on this drum playthrough. Couldnt even watch it.

[@tylercorbello7052]

If u could stop pauseing it for 5 secounds that would be great love the videos though

[@sethweaver6023]

DEFINITELY NATTY🤘🤘

[@KyleDanielson42]

Idk fuck all about the recording details and what not, but having seen him live, i can say he is an absolute fucking monster and was nearly flawless live.

[@davieslocker86]

Your whole statement here should make you give a f about the recording and “near perfect” back tracked performance lol😂

[@danielhuerta5894]

nice

[@Dontwerryboutit]

What about you stop pausing the video every 10 seconds and listen. I know this is a reaction video but holy shit dude.

[@reynlord666]

its a joke and you dont get it you look duuuuuuuumbbbbbbbbbbb

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

Always prefer natural. It’s misleading any other way. Unless stated. Dig the latest Stay video.

[@sparkinton]

“Don’t cum and shit on me”. Holy hell man, totally unrelated agreement there dude.

[@renatodoliveira3161]

feet on 6:54???

[@AWZYfilms]

it’s not sampled🤣

[@beachdaysguesthousechaam892]

bro why are you so hostile? chill out

[@reynlord666]

pantera

[@beachdaysguesthousechaam892]

maybe go the beach or something? try knitting?@@reynlord666

[@Carlossus91]

React to spite made to please

[@ediblenebulas1164]

9:16

[@ClihtYeastwood]

Why drummers keep putting out videos like this when they know Craig is alive and breathing is beyond me.

[@Leviplaysdrums]

Allowed not natty, cause he natty otherwise

[@henrikjohnsen4403]

holy s..t you sounds so jaloux.. xD

[@hapyharyhard0n581]

Not...

[@UnRiderCualquiera]

Pause, play, pause, play... out.

[@GDFB.U]

Honestly, this guy is not good. Good he went sober, now, if you are drumming for one of the biggest metal acts, you should play in a somewhat range of Eloy-Gartska-Rudinger-Krimh, not this dissorganized wimpy easy ass double strokes with probably a lot of misses live, if you can't actually play at these speeds (look for LS videos live) why wouldn't they just opt for something simpler in the drums? This studio take is FAKE (quantized and sampled), show me something real.

[@t3hgir]

check my raw take of a Gojira song on my channel. no triggers

[@TrealFOET]

He played just fine when i saw them open up for gorjira last year.. he had a fucked up back for a few years that held him back for a while but like i said he was on point last time i saw him

[@raidernation9790]

Just saw lorna shore this past friday night with distant 4-29-22 and austin is legit

[@KudCl0wn]

Video pause simulator.

[@caseyhostetter134]

This might be a good one to review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqqvaoKErJp-pNE

[@N0tAb0T022]

This dude pauses so often it wouldn’t surprise me if he eventually sold out and made the cash grab and put in 5 adds in the middle of his videos.