£1000 CHEAP ELECTRIC CAR VS 500,000 MILE TESLA!

[@AutoalexCars]

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[@grantpaterson1016]

Outside Edinburgh???

[@_James_Lee_Show]

I get hybrids, but full electric are and forever be shit

[@sir-chat-a-lot]

@@grantpaterson1016 ... about 40+ miles! 😁

[@behicduztepe7372]

I’ve got a 3k 13 plate light crash 5 series if you’re wanting a good project sometime soon?

[@olliehughes745]

AutoAlex cause you think electric cars are shit I’ll swap you a BMW for the Tesla 😉😂 I’d love to experience EV and also need a family car with a little one on the way haha!!

[@PhineasPhlob]

Love Taylor saying 'you can't charge it to 100% or it damages the battery' - it's done 460k, I don't think battery care is the highest priority right now...

[@danielburgin28]

It's not even accurate. You shouldn't LEAVE the battery at 100% for long periods of time. There's absolutely nothing wrong with charging it to 100% - other than how much longer it takes in comparison.

[@FLIXXE]

@@danielburgin28 Thanks for pointing this out. The charge just needs to be used quickly. Which could have been the case with the Taxi Model S.

[@fordwebster8113]

If they'd just actually charged it up to 100% overnight they could have done the journey with one stop

[@POLESTAR757]

@@fordwebster8113 but that doesn't get the anti-EV brigade viewers to watch and comment etc

[@schofieldmoss4357]

@@danielburgin28 Tesla actually recommend charging their cars with the LFP battery to 100%

[@TakumoZ]

Alex asked a 70+ year-old man how to charge an electric car - and actually got helpful advice - crazy world!

[@UnluckyDomino]

Theres a lot of tech literate elderly people out there. I work as an estate agent and was speaking to a 70 something year old man who wants to sell his house. He did a shit load of work on the house to make it self sufficient for energy. Solar panels, battery backups, generators, EV charger. He pays next to nothing on bills. And because it's only him and his wife, they don't use much energy so they sometimes sell back energy. It's cool to see

[@SnazzBot]

I remember an elderly man telling me all about how to charge his car and the fact he'd been using Aldi for free for about two years despite never shopping there what a lad.

[@mrchambers31]

News from Renault, they got a new car i have a picture its called the *Influenza* James May 2012

[@VXGaming]

It really does sound like a disease.

[@Intrepid_A]

It isn't called the Influenza Jeremy Clarkson 2012

[@AnthonyCastelluci]

There was a Mitsubishi similar to what May drove on that EV journey at a dealership near my house in Pensacola. It was for sale for over a year. I don't think anyone bought it. The same dealership sells about 70 trucks a month. BTW, the only thing EVs are good for is city commutes. And make sure that city doesn't get cold or flood. Or ICE motors work fine.

[@007knick]

I just went looking for that clip! It was the car they were talking about just going around unplugging cars in the street 😂😂

[@007knick]

I just went looking for that clip! It was the car they were talking about just going around unplugging cars in the street 😂😂

[@pacmania1982]

I'm not an EV fan boy but I'd like to make a few comments: running a battery down low on occasion doesn't kill the battery. Also charging it above 80% for a road trip is also fine. Depending on the type of battery chemistry, some are better to be daily charged to 80% if you're doing lots of miles, other newer chemistries are fine to be charged to 100%. Also DC fast charging doesn't kill the battery sooner. There's a lot of misinformation around about EVs and unfortunately you guys have fallen into the trap.

[@pneuroot]

You're missing the point here. This video is meant to cause discussion in order to earn money via advertising.

[@MrKOenigma]

That car for 1000£ is still a steal of you live in a ULEZ commuting only a few miles

[@Lizard280Gaming]

Also EVs are far cheaper when charged at home at night - We pay 11p/kWh at night. It costs £1-2 per night to charge after doing ~100 miles during the day

[@King_Ears]

If you can't charge at home then you're fucked so they're totally useless. Basically EVs are only suitable for a certain demographic of the UK and that's basically wealthy people who have a house and driveway. EV ownership is a scam. Environmental damage from mining lithium and shipping it all over the world to be processed into batteries is far more detrimental to the planet than using an old combustion engine car

[@RandallJakub]

to be more specific, EVs that use NMC and basic li-ion chemistries, like Nissan Leaf, probably this Renault too, old Teslas and the new ones with configuration "Long range" use these chemistries, which is good if you keep them most of the time between 10-85% of the charge, however it is crucial to at least once a month do a full cycle meaning close to 0% all the way to 100%, the slower charging the better for the cells having time to balance (especially on last 20%), this improves range and health of the batteries. New cars using LFP (LifePo4) chemistry, like the base model Teslas, is advised to go full cycles - close to 0% all the way up tp 100%, this manages the balancing all the time and this chemistry doesnt harm to use full cycles, its the other way round in needs/likes it. The only thing that harms batteries nowadays is only too cold/too hot conditions, supercharging not anymore. however even this is resolved by automatic pre-heating and huge cooling systems :D

[@mitchelldiaz5324]

I really don’t see the hate on electric cars. They are quick, ride nice and if you are honest with yourself , the 20 mins to fast charge and around $15 to pay for full charge from 20%-90% isn’t inconvenient. Plug it in every night at your house and you’ll never once have to worry about it.

[@harryshelton]

did we not watch the same video?

[@mitchelldiaz5324]

@@harryshelton …. The Tesla stated 600 miles further … lol I’ve rented a Tesla 4 times in the last few years. 2 times in cali and 2 times in Florida… Florida is the WORST state for electric car infrastructure and had ZERO issues , iv waited longer at Sam’s club to get gas than what you wait if chargers are full. You choose your charging stops to be next to food or something to do and in 20 mins your back on the road for $10 compared to a car which currently cost me $50 to fill up and only giving me about 100 miles more per tank than a standard model y .

[@albertstadt9853]

@@harryshelton The problem was driving cars that have been thrashed. Driving a sensible electric car is no problem.

[@King_Ears]

In the UK the vast majority of people wouldn't be able to charge at home because they live in a flat. So they're basically useless unless you're wealthy

[@mikeedwards4609]

You need a driveway for cheap EV ownership. I charge my car once a week at home overnight for 7p per kWh. Costs me £2.60 a week.

[@zilspeed]

Fan of the channel here, but that wouldn't suit the narrative. (I also enjoy the 7p rate.)

[@jayAsparks]

Include the price of the car include the cost of having the charger fitted if your not doing it yourself doesnt work out that cheap. Its like everyone with solar panels my bills are so cheap blah blah add the price of all the installation and that not including the repair bills if they pack up. Ever heard the saying dont change something that not broken combustion engines.

[@BuzzinsPetRock78]

You are right. I am one of the lucky ones to have a driveway in this country, but most people don't and have to rely on street chargers. Having driven a temporary electric car, I didn't have a charge point installed at my house, so I too had to rely on the puplic charger in my street. About 10 electric cars in my street....2 chargepoints. And not everyone removed their car at night once it was done charging. So yeah....I had to use fast chargers regularly to not run out of juice. That is the reality for most people here (Netherlands), either they are very lucky to have the option of charging in their driveway/work garage, or they are confined to the sub par street chargers. I was very happy to switch back to a petrol car. Not because I hated the electric car, but I did hate the hassle of charging it and the range anxiety.

[@mikeedwards4609]

@@jayAsparks car lease is £166 a month. I was spending £200 on petrol in my old car, that was smaller, slower and also cost £305 a year in road tax. Charger was £980 but should last years so is cheaper than the road tax of the old ICE car.

[@garybibby2698]

@@mikeedwards4609 I charge at work for cheap. Don’t have a drive way. Charge it when you park it is my mantra!

[@danb3888]

Given that Renault only sold 79 of the Fluence ZE model in the UK, it's probably worth hanging onto it. It's rarer than unicorn shit.

[@Bananektdu]

Worth hanging on for what exactly? It will never be repaired, as the other 78 are probably as shit, or shittier. Battery replacement for this hunk of junk is more than the car itself, and not a single soul will be sad for them to be gone.

[@EVMan298]

@@BananektduThe Fluence was actually designed to have battery swaps instead of charging but the impracticality of swaps meant it never happened.

[@garybibby2698]

@@Bananektdu it doesn’t need a new battery. It has a firmware issue. With an update it will be a decent little runner for someone. Ok not a motorway muncher but faaaar from scrap. Learn more.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Only 44 left on the road too. For perspective, there are 82 Murcielagos!

[@GooseWaffe]

I’d love to havr it as a collectors car

[@teentechnology9855]

Older low mileage electric cars can be some of the worst for degradation, because they likely spent their whole life plugged in on 100% charge, which with their unsophisticated batteries would absolutely kill them.

[@gazzaman28]

@@teentechnology9855 not all EVs are born equal, the Leaf & Renaults had awful battery management, but the awesome BMW i3 is a huge step up, it uses AC to cool/heat the batteries and there are no issues charging to 100% every night. I do and I've lost less than 10% of capacity in 10yrs/122k miles of driving. It's a hoot to drive too.

[@michaelwarner1538]

@@gazzaman28your tyre width is also like 165's i3's are minging

[@gazzaman28]

@@michaelwarner1538 definitely marmite cars, but they have a passionate fanclub

[@kingdomofashes]

​@@gazzaman28Thats awesome

[@Miag_vip]

​@@gazzaman28yeah, liberals and smug people.

[@RussRyan7713]

Had electric for 7 years. In the beginnings it was tough. Now with a Model 3 its so easy. If you dont have a drive - dont buy electric. I charge my car 95% at home for 7.5p per kwh, i get 250 miles range. I have done 45k miles and a least 35k is all charged at home. That has cost me £656 for 35k, I only need to supercharge if my round trip is over 250. Which is rare for me. Also if you need to charge a lot when out and do loads of miles and want electric, ONLY buy a Tesla if you want hassle free charging and no waiting, Electric will never replace ICE until the costs are equal in purchase and running and every petrol station has at least 10 rapid chargers. Until then Electric is great when you charge at home and rarely need to further than your range. Edit. Updated the costs for charging. 👍

[@southy7523]

I would agree on the "If you dont have a drive - dont buy electric", but my Polestar has the same information as the Tesla Model 3 in terms of telling you where to charge, how long to stop etc on a long journey. The narrative that you should get a Tesla if you do lots of miles is outdated now, Gridserve are an absolute game changer, and lots of Tesla superchargers are open to all cars now.

[@tcpnetworks]

Yep... Have a mod3 and I haven't needed to recharge on the run. I charge from the house supply which is off-grid and very rarely need a supercharger. Still have a V8 - but the Tesla gets thrashed daily.

[@danielduke5059]

Are you talking just service petrol stations like on motorways as literally no petrol station near me has charging stations?

[@RussRyan7713]

@@danielduke5059 I am saying before you can have an EV without charging at home. Ideally every petrol station we have today had 4 to 8 chargers. Then you can say about EVs working for everyone. Now it's if you have a drive or charge once a week and only do 200 local miles.

[@Zicru]

I’ll buy an electric car when it gets a nice exhaust note. So never.

[@rantingyoof6960]

Big fan of the channel, love shitboxes, V8s, old BMWs etc, also a very happy EV owner. I'm not a rabid EVangelist, they aren't for everyone, and there are still things that need to get a lot better, and public charging needs to be cheaper. EVs need to be cheaper, and simpler, and move back towards button-controlled HVAC systems etc. I would never expect Alex or any of the Autoalex crew to be fans of EVs, and that's not my gripe, as echo chambers aren't healthy. Having said that, it's a little disappointing to see a video that goes after the lowest hanging fruit, feeding into a (rather irrational) anti EV narrative. It definitely makes for entertaining TV choosing not to learn how your very old EV charges, so that you can wander around looking clueless when it's charging time. And also making it look agreeably perilous choosing when and how to stop to charge, rather than using one of the many apps that takes a couple of minutes to programme to give you a safe route that takes into account your car's range and charging times. EV related content nowadays is really only sufficiently entertaining when the most extreme vehicles are being put through the most extreme tests. Watching the average person use their three year old, £13-14,000 EV on a 20 mile commute for a week before charging it overnight for £3, which is more representative of the norm, is acutely dull. Personally, I'd like to see the Tesla M57 swapped and the Tesla running gear (motors and battery) put in the Fluence to create a sleeper that could be raffled or given away at a Mattwood event or similar. EV content notwithstanding, keep it up guys, love the podcast, it makes my commute fly past!

[@veldhuisracing]

Yes, totally agree. I love the channel, but videos like this are really disappointing and are only really playing into the easy and clickbaity narritive. This video only shows their lack of knowledge on EVs and the downsides of these (obviously) first generation electric cars. There are a lot of epic stuff you can do with EVs, and I hope someday they will see and acknowledge that.

[@rantingyoof6960]

@@veldhuisracing I don't see any of them really ever embracing EVs, but that's okay. I'd rather they simply did no content on EVs at all if they are not interested in learning anything about them or interested in trying to be informative in some way. The 'har har old/all EVs are terrible' narrative is exceptionally profitable clickbait, look at Geoff Buys Cars, and Autoalex is a money-driven business with sponsors, so I can understand the lure of doing such content. I was just hoping, maybe naively, that it would be done a little differently.

[@jacmar44]

This is a little bit disingenous. The fact of the matter is that queing for charge points does happen, the rates at public chargers are excessive and range anxiety especially on older models is a massive issue. A 1k ICE car would very easily complete the journey. Sure, it's not the full picture, but neither is pretending EVs are without their problems.

[@rantingyoof6960]

@@jacmar44 In my comment I actually acknowledge that public charging costs are too high. And yes, queuing does happen because, while infrastructure is getting better, it still needs to improve. I'm certainly not pretending EVs are problem free, and at no point have I made this point. So I do not think I'm being disingenuous. The fact is, in reality, away from the world of needing KZbin clicks, nobody buys a ten year old EV with the intention of using it as a main commuting car, in such a way where reliance on public charging is unavoidable. The overwhelming majority of people do a bit of research first and would only pull the trigger if they could charge at home and were intending to do 10-20 miles per day. The average journey in the UK has been hovering around 8 miles for a couple of years, so even a heavily degraded Fluence with 30 miles of range could be perfectly suitable to someone who can charge at home (for 8p per kwh, a full 'tank' is going to cost £2.50-£3.00). Alex and his crew do thousands of miles a month and regularly need to tow, so it's clear EVs are categorically unsuitable for them. I wouldn't expect them to like them, but as I said it's cheap TV to choose something totally unsuitable for a job to paint a bad picture. It would be like me judging every single BMW based on one experience of an E46 316i automatic in base silver!

[@jacmar44]

@@rantingyoof6960 That's all fine and well, what I find disingenuous about the comment is accusing the channel of "going after the lowest hanging fruit, feeding into a (rather irrational) anti EV narrative" . The boys always do extreme challenges in extreme cars, taking old BMW shitboxes heavily behind on maintenance across Europe, buying 1k cars specifically known for being unreliable etc etc. This video is inkeeping with that, and yet because it's on the topic of EVs there's a shed load of defensive comments. The example of the e46 you gave, somehow if the channel posted a video of an old e46 316i blowing a head gasket on a road trip, I don't think the comment section would be full of people complaining "I actually have a 19 plate F30 330i with 50k miles on it, commute 30 miles a day to work and I've not blown a head gasket". Conversely I think the video raises some very good points, public charging can be a pain, especially outside the tesla network, and it is expensive, pre 2015/2016 EVs are basically a no go and compared to even a very high mileage more modern option fare very badly, but at the very bottom of the market (sub 10k) there's no sense in buying an EV because of their limitations. I for one am very curious about how a car such as the fluence performs after so many years. I also feel like a lot of the common discourse on EVs misses the point. It's all fine and well that the average journey is 8 miles, or that someone commutes 20 miles etc, but even if you only need to go outside of that once a fortnight, once a month or even a couple of time a year it effectively makes that car of limited suitability, the family car should cover the full envelope of use cases, not 80-90% of them. I'm not opposed to EVs as a concept or for particular use cases.

[@DashCamSheffield]

Not even watched it yet, but I assume Alex bought a lemon Edit: the Renault is not a lemon, it did a beautiful job of wounding up Alex 😂

[@scoobysean555]

Yes 😂

[@AutoalexCars]

You bet 😂

[@zainahmed5372]

its just too predictable innit?

[@michaelterry9257]

😂 a Renault not a lemon, that's a good one.

[@JM-mn4ph]

Twice actually as he bought that Tesla as well

[@1984ed101]

The Renault Flatulence was designed with battery swapping in mind, they just never got the operation up and going outside of a small trial in Israel before the company doing the trial went bust. Maybe have a go at a battery swap to see how easy it could be?

[@kingdomofashes]

They have spent crazy money on shit cars before, it would be cool to see if they can salvage this car into something useful

[@dgurevich1]

BetterPlace tried to make them work in Israel. This is, and I am not exaggerating, the worst electric car ever made. I honestly thought the battery degradation happened because of Israeli heat, but it seems I was wrong. They don't even have regen braking. Whatever cars are left here are used as glorified shopping trolleys by people keeping them. At some point the annual road tax will outweigh the car's worth and they will all be scrapped.

[@bunkaaa8726]

@@kingdomofashes Like putting an engine in it.

[@kingdomofashes]

@@bunkaaa8726 In the same way I feel electrifying old ice cars is not the way to go I also think taking an EV and shoving an ICE engine in would not be the way to go. Much better to swap the battery and put a tesla motor in it and make it hilariously / dangerously quick. I feel like this would be even funnier than putting a V8 in it.

[@bunkaaa8726]

@@kingdomofashes No I disagree. Delete all electric cars unless they're kei cars or milk floats. Utter yawnmobiles.

[@MAdams853]

Horses for courses. You don't by an electric car if you only do 450 mile plus journeys. Likewise if you are a plumber you don't by a 2 seater sport car as a work vehicle. I average 40 miles a day. Electric suits fine.

[@classicshit2]

Fabulous but wouldn't it be wonderful if we invented cars that can do both...😂

[@3_character_minimum]

Ibthink common sense escape the British nowadays.

[@firecatinfernus3534]

Then what's the point of such a useless car. It's not exactly cheap.

[@Hazystarsz]

You didn't mention the fact that a positive is you're driving a car that's done 500 thousand miles and is a testament to how well ev's can keep going.

[@Clan501-Scotland]

Nope, testament to how well a tesla can keep going

[@Clan501-Scotland]

And rules don't make exceptions!

[@janhenkins]

@@Clan501-Scotland Just to say Teslas aren't the only EVs that just keeps on going, dig around a bit and you'll find plenty electric high-mileage heroes. Cleevely EV's James have recently posted an update on the state of his MG5 van after 240k miles.

[@likemetoo2]

The renault has only 37k and is done.

[@CaiSpidox]

Thats because its a very early EV, like the first leaf. They were air cooled only with bad battery management, renaults were also meant to have a swap battery service so they lose life quick depending, however modern Ev from first ioniq onwards are completley different and are all on point with tesla degradation especially now.​@likemetoo2

[@Tomazack]

Starting to worry about Alex. He bought a car which he knew didn't support fast charging, yet he now hates electric cars because this one in particular which he knew was shit, turned out to be shit.

[@Josh_Wright]

The lads came to the same conclusion about the Tesla though which does have supported infrastructure

[@FeelsDonkMan]

@@Josh_Wright which is strange considering it won the challenge and it's a 400k old Tesla that's had a hard life, still doing the business. Instead they turned it into a bad thing.

[@sir-chat-a-lot]

@@FeelsDonkMan Sponsored by Fossil Fuel supporters? A quick fact check reveals their Range Rover returns about 18mpg average vs the alleged 25 mpg for the Tesla. Or over 30% more

[@Dwhizzle]

@@Josh_Wright even in the Tesla, they were complaining about other electric cars having to wait to charge… then complaining that the car stopped charging because Alex was pausing it and messing with them… seem like they didn’t want to go over any of the positives, no matter what the outcome was 🤷

[@grahamleiper1538]

@@Tomazack and he kept trying to plug it into rapid chargers when he knew it didn't rapid charge.

[@topmandog1]

the problem with 1st gen electric cars is like old phones, no standard connector has been made yet, like we have usb C now and back in 2008 we had like 10+ phone chargers

[@BuzzinsPetRock78]

It has a standard European type 2 connector that is still fitted to cars today.... Alex just didn't know that fast chargers are ccs 2 (type 2 with a DC bit) and that they won't fit. (or at least, I don't think he knew) And public "slow" charging point should have been usable. I do believe most cars now at least have a type 2 socket that will fit a ccs2 plug if needed, but I can't be sure....my sample size is too small. See the correction below from @TheBoredEditor, he is right, it is a type 1 connector. Although you would likely still be able to use public "slow" chargers, assuming you have the correct cable.

[@TheBoredEditor]

@@BuzzinsPetRock78 small correction: the Fluence has a SAE J1772 (Type 1) connector, for which public chargers are very few and far between. The Type 2 connector has a flat top and is much more ubiquitous in the UK

[@BuzzinsPetRock78]

@@TheBoredEditor The manual for the Fluence ZE in the UK 2013 shows a type 2 connector. But on further inspection, that's the end that goes into a charging station. But it would be a rather simple simple conversion cable. I don't know about the UK, but here almost all street chargers don't have cables connected, just a socket, so the socket on the charger is universal, but your car can have any connection as long as you have the correct cable. (yes, that does mean you have to always carry a cable with you) Only the fast chargers have cables connected.

[@TheBoredEditor]

@@BuzzinsPetRock78 In the UK most public AC chargers are the same, just a socket for you to plug your existing Type 2 AC charging cable into. In practice I rarely find myself public charging on AC since I have a 7kW charger at home.

[@Filipe_2004]

And in 10 years they are saying the same thing about electric car now 🤣🤣🤣

[@HEKVT]

A few minutes in and won't lie, already enjoying it more than the hot hatch finale.

[@vladmihai306]

the hot hatch finale hasn't been very well thought out, but in theory it could have been something very nice

[@BuzzinsPetRock78]

according to wikipedia, you have a really rare Renault on your hands there.....they sold a grand total of 79 in the UK.

[@Carboy-z5y]

Rare but still a pile of wank

[@oliverstemp9132]

And bought most of them back

[@bartoszadamczak6778]

Regarding to old Tesla In May me and my girlfriend bought 2014 Tesla S, because we have supercharger around 5 minutes away from our house and she drives it mainly around Warsaw BUT! In the summer we have made trip to the south of Italy, 2700km one way and is was doable! We knew that it requires more planning and patience than in a regular petrol car but on the long drive like this stopping every 2 hours was healthy for us and our dog. And it costed us nothing because it still has the free supercharging 😅 so in the right conditions and with the right mindset you can live with something like Tesla. Obviously I won’t try to convince anybody to it because it won’t suit everybody. For us it works, gives quite a lot fun. Even I as a diehard cars enthusiast say that I really like driving this buzzing thing 😂😂😂 P.S. love watching your channel, you are doing a great job, keep pushing! Cheers! ;)

[@gheorghiualex]

the problem with UK is that their DC charging infrastructure is awful. Europe is way way superior, with Poland building decently in past few years. The most crowded Tesla charger I saw was in Italy and I had to wait 10 mins to charge but it was very far from the chaos they showed here.

[@KeyBrosUK]

Finally someone with an ev who knows they aren’t for everyone. What is it with the mindset of some of the people that buy one, they make it their whole personality start changing their usernames to things like “evman”😂😂

[@bartusiek123]

It might be the point. On the way to Italy we have waited 2 x10 minutes and it was all. Germany and Austria is also great for driving EV, we are regularly going to Germany. In Poland with have many DC charging stations on petrol stations, almost everyone on the highways has it and most of the time they are empty because EVs are still growing in Poland. Having free supercharging we are focus on Tesla units but those in Poland are…. They have to work on that. For example in Warsaw, capital city, there is one very old supercharger with two slots located on the level -6 of some hotel in the city center and there is Tesla service station pretty much out of warsaw with new 14 slots but on the weekends this happens to be full… using superchargers in countries to the west of Poland is much convenient.

[@gheorghiualex]

@@KeyBrosUK they cost a lot and some make an effort to buy it and then try to convince themselves they're good? Or they are so much into it that they want to show it to the world and are proud of it? I am sure there are other options too. Based on the current infrastructure on continental europe (west and central, cause eastern is a disaster) and the dropping EV prices, it makes sense to try if one can afford and is not a huge financial or lifestyle burdain.

[@toastydave1]

All cars cost a lot unless you are a pleb, and if that’s the case go back to your shitbox as you where never in the running to buy a new car

[@tajj7]

The EV ignorance between the comments and video is expected but still sad to see, people talking complete bollocks about stuff they have no real clue about.

[@QBDLettuce]

Electric cars are shit. Cope.

[@nixer65]

@@QBDLettuceElectric cars are great as a second car and you charge at home (at 8p/kWh). In that case they are cheap and reliable and brilliant for running around or commuting. They are shit if you want to use them for long journeys. That’s not because they are intrinsically bad, but because the charging infrastructure is shit. I have an XC90 and a BMW i3 - and this works really well…if we only had one car it wouldn’t be electric.

[@_carfreak_2812]

My Mercedes E 400d gets 1000 km of Range with one tank or 600-700 Miles, if you are Not from Germany. And how far can you Drive with your Little electric car ? I bet not even half as far.

[@nixer65]

@@_carfreak_2812The average car journey in the UK is 8.1 miles. For the 99% of the journeys I do the electric car is great. For the 1% I take my xc90. Great as a second car but you cant’t go without a regular ice car if you do a lot of long journeys.

[@_carfreak_2812]

@@nixer65 for short trips I use my Little BMW 2 Series Coupé…..or for fun on the Weekend. But yes if you only drive around in town…..You can get an Electric car i guess. I admit finding a parking spot can be a pain in the A**. With the big E class.

[@RAPIDNISMO]

Much MUCH better video than last week lads! Bskc to the quintessential autoalex video, enjoyable, informative, and vedy easy watching , great work lads!

[@kensuni]

last weeks video was amazing what

[@theworkshopwhisperer.5902]

I already forgot what these guys did last week.

[@kamilianos]

sarcasm

[@exige320s5]

Yep a lot better and back to normal. Last weeks was horrendous

[@RAPIDNISMO]

@@kamilianos not sarcasm. I said what I said and stand by it

[@ashleyhazell662]

Sorry chaps, got to point out that the numbers favour an EV if you can charge at home. As the previous owner of that Range Rover, it would have cost me a minimum of £37.38 in fuel for my 150 mile commute. In my EV, charging at home at a preferential rate, that same journey costs me £4. I do that journey 3x a week, therefore saving £400 a month in fuel costs. Plus I have no maintenance costs for 3 years (apart from tyres), no VED (yet) etc... My Polestar 2 was the right decision > my old RR.

[@87MattyH]

Same, im paying £400ish a year for 18,000 miles for my M3P, and I dont need to service it. I was paying more than that each month for my C63 along with £1-2k a year for servicing and consumables - just to sit on the motorway in traffic. Having an electric car will keep me in a fun petrol powered second car.

[@stephenhollingsworth2530]

If you're willing and able to pay a monthly payment to own the car....

[@ashleyhazell662]

@@stephenhollingsworth2530 My monthly payment + running cost for my EV is less than running cost of my old Range Rover.

[@llusnewo]

Ive dailied an id3 for 2.5 years. Dont use motorway services, use instavolt chargers instead (usually near McDonald's or Costa) expensive but reliable

[@peterrrj]

I miss Tom Lenthall, need him on another video soon !!

[@interceptor-ss8kb]

Yeah they need to buy a JLR product soon be there. 😂

[@thatguyjd372]

The only thing wrong with both of these cars were the numpties driving them, I mean the high mileage Tesla did everything they asked of it and Taylor and Rory still said it failed them

[@Wetthewhistle]

See the Amazon locker in the background at the shell garage. There’s an outdoor plug socket above the locker 😂

[@darekmistrz4364]

Cmon, be serious. Alex would have never reached it, even if his life would depend on it

[@kevinlawes591]

@@darekmistrz4364 😆😆

[@Filipe_2004]

@@darekmistrz4364🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gillie-monger3394]

The garage 'owner' would just tell you to f**k of most likely!

[@AaRoN25790]

Here for the comments about Abington services being just outside of Edinburgh 😅

[@nickrintoul1849]

Yeah beat me to it...

[@AaRoN25790]

I should add, no hate here, just an observation. Perfect conclusion to the video as well 👌🏻

[@UK300Prodrive]

Was looking for this comment 😂😂😂

[@Andrew.Prentice]

That's why I'm here.

[@BrianL84]

I'm in Ayrshire just outside Aberdeen

[@joeynessily]

I'm sure you love the engagement from these videos. My EV has cost me £23 for the last 850 miles... time spent charging 0 minutes. Plug in at home, plug in at work. I did have to use a petrol car a few months ago, it fairly inconvient to 'go somewhere' and fill it with expensive liquid. After 7 years of zero trouble EV ownership.. these videos are like watching these cluless people driving into floods and having no idea what hydrolock is and how their car works.

[@SandViper94Gaming]

100% agree. People still bashing the tech is getting boring especially when they are trying to use it wrong on purpose. I'm sure everyone felt similar when we switched from horsecarriages to petrol cars haha

[@Decipher13]

This video is like buying a model T and saying judging internal combustion engines as shit since you have to crank start them, they’re loud, and they’re super uncomfortable. OF COURSE a first gen compliance car is going to be shit. Do the same challenge in a modern EV and they’d have no video because it would be entirely uneventful and they wouldn’t need to charge once. This is straight up propaganda at this point. Very disappointing.

[@QBDLettuce]

Put down the copium, you've had too much.

[@Decipher13]

@@QBDLettuce copium? What am I coping with? I’m just calling out bullshit.

[@JopeSane]

​@@QBDLettuce bit of a childish comment, don't you think?

[@Adrian-fy7rd]

Guys, despite your best efforts, all you did was convince me the Model S is a belting motor and can got to Scotland and back trouble free and cheaply. I love that car!!

[@gerrickhan]

How on earth do you derive that from this video you plum

[@lakeshow178]

As someone who loves the ICE. I don't think I'd ever go back. Maybe a weekend car, but not my primary. I never got a charger fitted at home, just the standard 3 pin which I've put in a weather proof enclosure and it stays outside all year round. Been over 2 years now and I fully charged my Kona over a couple of night charges every 2-3 weeks. It will drive to London and back on a charge from Bristol. Can get to Devon/Dorset and back, from Bristol on a single charge. If I need to charge then I stop at a service station for 20 mins and 120 miles back in the battery. It also costs me just under a £5 to fully charge my 64kw battery, which costs about £0.069p a KW to charge and drive 300ish miles a charge. These 80p a KW chargers would kill the savings and if I had a flat/no driveway I would maybe not have been so positive, but in my position at the moment, it's been an amazing upgrade.

[@jonyb4]

yes but how old is it? 6 years old maximum since theyve been on sale, this video has been showing high mileage or older EV's and how they utterly fall apart, the Renault alex drove isnt even 15 years old, and it is useless, utterly useless, all 4 of my cars are older than that and all of them being petrol will do around 400 miles per tanks, and refuel in less than 5 minutes and do it all again, this is the point... EVs are NOT the future, nor are they saving the planet, they are throw away white goods with 8-10 years of life, where people can run around in a car made in the 60s and it still be perfectly usable , and despite having higher tail pipe emissions still be massively more environment friendly!

[@Filipe_2004]

Not the point 🤣🤣🤣🤣… you have a place to charge at home…. You dont make 500 miles journeys… they joking eere explaining that agahahah

[@catz3144]

When I was watching the video I was genuinely surprised to see the prices in the uk. I live in Washington state and you can relatively easily find superchargers with less than $0.3 per kw and some with less than $0.2.

[@jonyb4]

@@catz3144 it's said the UK has the highest prices electricity in Europe atm

[@KeyBrosUK]

There’s always one😂😂

[@GerthebearBrady.]

As an ev driver I'll agree with almost all of that. They are not as convenient on long journeys. The cost of charging at fast charger is too expensive. That said that takes up less than 5% of my actual driving. I charge at home for 2p/kwh and my driving is short motorway and city and for that type of driving its unbeatable.

[@tajj7]

We drove to the south of France in our Tesla, stopped once, had to charge for 25 minutes. It was like a 4 hour journey stopping for less than that anyway would have been dangerous to be honest. Plus a charge back to like 85% was like 10 Euros. I don't get the argument they are not convenient on long journeys, because long journeys you should be having a decent stop every 2-3 hours and most modern EVs will do like 250-300 miles on one charge which is longer than the vast majority of even long journeys people do. I think the main issue is charging points, the more people switch the more busy you will get and you will have more issues specially with people who live in flats or don't have garages/drives to charge at home.

[@KeyBrosUK]

@@tajj7should be stopping every 2 hours?😂even hgv drivers drive longer than that. In a diesel I can swap drivers and continue whilst you’re stuck at the services paying for overpriced coffee and donuts

[@sambarker7930]

That conclusion felt quite Top Gear I have to say: “if you want an electric car, buy a twin turbo V8 diesel Range Rover”

[@maxtorque2277]

Also b*ll*cks as well, there is no world where a v8 rangie (derv or not) is cheaper to run than a Tesla.

[@sambarker7930]

@@maxtorque2277 I don’t really care if they are or not, I’m just watching these videos for entertainment

[@luki8806]

That's why I drive a plugin, an Opel ampera, best of both worlds. I can charge at home with solar from a normal plug, 50km electric range on winter and 75-80km in the summer. If the battery dies, the ICE kicks in and now it's working as a normal hybrid consuming avg 6l /100km. It's awesome, pleasure to drive, only two things: It's a 4 seater, and it's really low, so you really have to be careful driving on speed bumps and entering steep public garages. Otherwise, best car of my life and I will drive it until it can move.

[@imbethondion4572]

I have an Ampera, and I'm very curious to know how you get 80km of electric range. Do you drive everywhere at 30km/h? I've never managed more than 60, even in the summer.

[@SandViper94Gaming]

I did a round trip of over 4000km here in Australia along the east coast in our Ioniq6. 0 issues and at 250kw charging i barely had time to go to the bathroom before we could head off again. The newer evs are seriously impressive and just shows what a leap in tech there is over the old ones. Like comparing early petrol cars to newer ones, except in a mich shorter lifespan. So many people are sceptical for some weird reasons not even they can really explain, i won't ever go back to petrol personally, has been a great experience so far.

[@H.K_R]

Some information on the “Influenza” - James May The Fluence was Renault’s first electric car before the launch of the Zoe, their ground up electric hatchback. Whereas the Fluence was essentially a Megane saloon hastily converted with the basic motors from the Nissan Leaf. Which had more range, more practicality and was cheaper than the Renault. These early Fluences were only launched in the UK so that the Renault Nissan Alliance had two EVs to offer first. The value of these collapsed as soon as far better cars launched, and most Renault dealers have never seen one in their workshop. As far as EVs are concerned as a whole, I had a Polestar 2 from Hertz for 2 weeks and after a day of getting used to its little quirks I’d happily buy one as soon as they reach £25,000 for the 400 mile version, which will be in about a year or two. Plus, the carbon emissions created during the production of the 2 was balanced out after just 22,000 miles of zero emissions driving. So therefore they’re not the devils work, and they’re not shit. You just need to find one that isn’t a Renault Fluence…

[@franzjosefpuxbaum9321]

Maybe the right steering was only sold in the UK. The Fluence was also sold as left steering version in France, Spain, Denmark, Germany, Austria and Israel as far as I know. In Denmark and Israel they even had battery swap station for it, where a robot changed batteries in about 5 minutes. Unfortunately they went bankrupt. My Fluence has a pretty worn out battery with a SoH of 48%.

[@about_blank.]

You didn't mention the Fluance being sold as an ICE car aroumd he world. Just like to add that.

[@H.K_R]

@@about_blank. Yes. It was the replacement for the Megane Saloon. It wasn’t available in the UK, and therefore irrelevant.

[@about_blank.]

@@H.K_R I wonder why they never sold the ICE versions in the UK or Europe tho. I mean, the ICE Fluence sold like hotcakes in every other market.

[@H.K_R]

@ Small saloons never caught on after the 90s. Ford and Renault struggled to sell the Focus and Megane Saloons to private buyers, as most were offloaded to fleet buyers or rental firms. Problem was that they costed the same as the hatchback, and was less practical whilst also being worse looking.

[@joemacleod-iredale2888]

12:22 the Spydero fits Alex perfectly.

[@MigV40]

I was about to comment that😂😂

[@uchihasilver8362]

😂

[@FFVoyager]

5:30. Taylor, you are not quite right - you certainly can deplete the battery. You would be wise not to try to simply because you might not get where you want to without it going flat, but it's not going to hurt it. (Don't leave it discharged - or fully charged - for a long time not being used as that could hurt it in time)

[@m4ini]

His exact statement is that you can't fully deplete the battery because you'd ruin it. And that's 100% accurate. You actually can't deplete the battery, it always has AT LEAST 10% charge left even if it indicates empty. That's because, like Taylor states, if you'd actually be able to fully deplete the battery, it would be ruined. Immediately and irreparably. Manufacturers/the car stops you from being able to. That's why, if you buy a car with a 77kwh battery, you only have 72kwh usable. The rest is reserved to keep voltage at a level capable of accepting charge - lithium batteries discharged below a certain voltage level will simply not charge anymore.

[@darekmistrz4364]

@@m4ini You are contradicting yourself

[@FFVoyager]

@@m4ini you are pathetically grasping at straws if you think that is what drivers can do when using the cars. 🤪

[@RWoody1995]

@@m4inihe was talking about taking it conducted 0 and 100 though which absolutely will not damage the battery whatsoever so long as you dont leave it at that low state of charge for an extended period.

[@LostYogi]

What a treat Alex being on his own brings back memories of the early days

[@chilliconn071]

Petrol forever! EV never!

[@ahphoto2000]

Also at 13:39 a bird flies into Taylors head and does not come out? WTF????

[@mozzy207]

Haha, definitely a jump cut there

[@__caramel_latte76__83]

They timed that perfectly

[@mediocreman2]

They edited the footage. You can even see how the camera viewpoint changes.

[@danielmead615]

I paid $5000 for a used EV 2 years ago. Similar range to Alex's Renault but as an everyday that's all I need. Charges overnight when I'm on a cheaper electricity. I wouldn't want one as my only car but for going to work and back it's perfect

[@zilspeed]

Abington, just outside of Edinburgh ?!?! I wouldn't want to walk that on a wet night...

[@jackytwix]

Yep. Its at least 40 miles!!!!

[@bertchalmers]

It's just a tiny toddler down the Lang Whang. It'll be 😶

[@BDRMrTBag]

The charging situation regarding non-Tesla electric vehicles is insane. The infrastructure is absolutely shocking.

[@MegaUndertaker3]

You have to meet some many conditions in order to enjoy and save money on an EV: 1) Have the ability and equipment to charge at home 2) Drive shorter journeys 3) Afford a decent modern-ish EV So in a nutshell, you have to be at least middle class or above, own your own house, with a private drive way (eg. not a flat) and ideally own a second ICE car to do your long journeys with ease. I.e. being a relatively poor fellah that is renting a flat, working 2 jobs to feed his family and needs a car to get from A to B (but also for pleasure, take family to roadtrips etc) , you are screwed and you can only look into cheaper petrol/diesel cars.

[@SandViper94Gaming]

I plug into my 240v wall socket and slow charge at 2kw. Just did 4000km round trip along the east coast of Australia with 0 issues. Charging at 250kw had me stop 15 min to charge every 400km in our ioniq6. Bought the car for 60k aud which by no means is expensive. Most people can afford it relatively easily...

[@aarrondean-oe8tk]

How dose it feel knowing car throttle posted a video 7 days ago with 41k views and you guys (auto Alex) posted 5 hours ago and have 120k views. Amazing work guys love you content

[@Craider79]

My Ford Focus 1.5 TDCI runs at an average including driving in rush hour traffic of about 18KM/L - or 42MPG - and it's an estate - and it's not a slow car when driving around. I though - because people are talking about 0-100 times of Teslas and stuff - that it would be fairly slow with its 120 BHP and 0-100 of like 10 seconds - but in daily use that's actually more than plenty and I have never felt it was slow... so doing about 850KM pr. tank of diesel - and a full tank being about 550DKK (about 60-65£) mean it's about 0.65 DKK pr. kilometer - or about 1.04 DKK pr. mile - and that is = 7p pr. KM - or 12p pr. mile... Prices for diesel is ALMOST exactly the same in Denmark as it is in the UK - within a few p pr. liter... so the whole "cost savings" making up for the high EV prices - is pure freaking BS! Also - anyone complaining about fuel prices these days are insane! 12p pr. mile is SO damn cheap! Compare that to ANYTHING else - like literally - what is cheaper? If the only things you can mention is "well walking" or "breathing" or some BS like that - then - think about it one more time! You literally need to make an effort to get something cheaper! LOL

[@mrufekmk]

Ford Focus 1.5 TDCI ...it's not a slow car - good one mate. That's slower than my wife's Zoe ;) And the Zoe costs next to nothing to run (free charging on solar for 6 moths in a year)

[@L5GUK]

@@mrufekmk I fully support the idea of EV, and renewables, solar etc. However there is a cost and barrier of entry to it before it becomes worthwhile. And that is a hurdle that is being overcome, but for now remains.

[@Zzyyxx22]

15:37 my 2l diesel mondeo gets closer to 60mpg on the motorway.

[@decxcv]

I had an electric car for 3 years and this video perfectly sums up how difficult it was to do any long(ish) driving. It took me 11 hours driving to Devon from Yorkshire in my e-208, stopping 3 times. It took me just over 5.5 hours, with one 15 minute stop in my diesel.

[@elemer2089]

In the uk you can get ev tariffs for your ev. British gas, octopus, eon are some of the cheapest ones, theyll give you 7-9p/kwh. Thats from 12-5am. For the remaining 19 hours you'll have a high unit rate, 28-30p/kwh. Now that makes a cheap charging, it can cost you 3£/ week. However all these ev owners think its cheap while their household bills go up...if you have a single rate electric tariff and youre payin 22-24p/kwh and you charge your ev once/twice a week. Youre better off not having an ev tariff. I sell energy for a living.

[@Dreador.]

You’re missing that you would also move all your heavy electric use to the same cheap time period. But if you didn’t, and to break it down using the higher and lower of your figures to national averages so to make your point stronger. Avg 8000 miles a year is around 2500 kWh * 7p ( 3.2 mile per kWh) and an average house uses 2900 kWh * 30p = £1045 / 5400 kWh =19p per kWh, still cheaper than your 22p. If you also mixed in that 2 kWh move to night use for washing machine, etc., that would be 16p. In addition, you’re also assuming only one EV in the household; if there are two, then that figure gets even lower if they both did 8000 miles, then it’s closer to 13p per kWh Main point is using your figures, it is better to have the EV tariff - I guess selling energy you'd make more with your argument

[@elemer2089]

@Dreador. i speak from experience, most people i speak to charge their cars once a week or once every 2 weeks. Also they dont do washing etc midnight till 7am. Of course not everyone is the same but im speaking from experience. One car for 1 charge a week, not worth having the ev tariff

[@Dreador.]

​@@elemer2089 I speak from first hand experience that my average was half the best day rate. But to show it - if you take an average family they use 10 kWh a day so 3640 kWh and doing average miles of 9000 that would equate to about 60 kWh to charge in your one week example giving 3120 kWh total power would be 6760 kWh. Using today's Octopus best day price of 22.6 that would be £1528 in a year. Using Octopus Intelligent Go rates today that would be 3640 x 25p £910 and the EV 3120 x 7p £218 total of £1128 - £400 pound cheaper a year I didn't move any of the 10 kWh into the night (even though some like freezer would be there already) to draw even the EV user would have to be just charging 700 kWh a year which would be around 2500 miles

[@vaughanh2905]

With all due respect this is a massive misrepresentation of running EV's. Although inaccurate, very entertaining and funny however. 😂

[@stephenhollingsworth2530]

How is it misrepresentation?

[@squirdo7947]

crazy how people will still say electric cars are more eco friendly yet become absolete after a few years

[@garybibby2698]

Crazy how people see a video of one car with a software fault and assume all electric cars are the same.

[@1KRFE]

The tesla on this channel did 450k....

[@squirdo7947]

@@garybibby2698 I doubt any electric car is gonna last over 10 years without requiring MAJOR service or component replacement.... it's not economical nor eco friendly.

[@garybibby2698]

@@squirdo7947 plenty of 2013 Zoe’s, Leafs out there proving you wrong tho. It’s ok not to know, but some of us have been going this for years now. Yea they’re loads better now but this video is rage bait and it’s working.

[@squirdo7947]

@@garybibby2698 100 mile range electrical shitboxes of which batteries you need to 'rent' must be so nice and good...

[@Itsneil12345]

You were literally opposite the Alveston manor hotel, which has EV chargers that you use your own cable with 😂

[@gazzaman28]

@@Itsneil12345 don't spoil the funny anti-EV tropes now will you!! ;)

[@andrewwaller5913]

Still 2 shite cars

[@PhineasPhlob]

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

[@EazyDuz18]

@@gazzaman28 cope

[@gazzaman28]

@@EazyDuz18 I'm coping just fine, it's a laugh innit!

[@kapilc_]

Easy Alex. Ive been following since early Car Throttle days and watched you grow. Massive respect. Throughout my early / mid twenties I've owned a lot of beemers, predominantly e46, e39, e60 etc with the almighty M57 engine. Anyway, about 3 years ago I bought a first generation Mercedes CLS w219 with the OM642 engine. So far it's been a sick car. I will do approximately 2000 miles a month. You can pick up the C, E, CLS class for little money at the moment. I don't see many of these on KZbin, would be sick if you did some content on these cars / engines. I wouldn't recommend it for those in London (not ULEZ compliant) but I think those in their late 20s / early 30s not living in emmision zones will appreciate these cars (easy to work on, reliable and comfortable). Bless bro. Congratulations on the newborn.

[@imbethondion4572]

Strangely some OM642-powered mid 2000s Mercs do show up as ULEZ compliant for some reason. It seems to be hit or miss though - my C Class isn't, but then I have no desire to drive in London anyway.

[@richardispeachy]

And now that Fluence is on Auto Trader for £2159 👀

[@chrisss103]

12:17 does not even look out of proportion

[@jpgoat5488]

Do a home repair of the Renault battery using cells from discarded vape pens 😂

[@garybibby2698]

Battery is fine. The car has a software fault. It will have only lost about it 2-5% of its range. Just needs an update.

[@Timico1000]

@@garybibby2698 After 12 years the battery is probably dead.

[@garybibby2698]

@@Timico1000 it’s not. Early Renaults have a software glitch that makes it calculate low range. Just needs update.

[@EazyDuz18]

@@Timico1000 Yup completely toast and the seller knew thats why he sold it so cheap to alex

[@leumel900]

You would have just needed a few adapters. If someone buys an old car, they usually at least should know what fuel it takes. It's just the same as qith the diesel nozzle that doesn't fit into petrol cars.

[@SquidgyPickle]

It’s nothing like that at all… 😂 what a stupid comparison. Diesel and Petrol are two different fuels… Regardless of the adaptor, electricity is electricity

[@darekmistrz4364]

@@SquidgyPickle DC and AC are the same? 400V DC is the same as 110V AC?

[@vanoscrap-nb1go]

@@darekmistrz4364 in an ideal world the way the charge is delivered shouldn't be the consumer's problem - the software in the car and the charger should communicate to find the right way. Also, not being able to charge at 'any' station is moronic, like imagining only being able to fill at Shell if you own a car of a certain brand or color, or engine power.

[@leumel900]

when petrol cars were new, you would have to go to the pharmacy to buy your petrol...

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@vanoscrap-nb1go They do. That's why they've standardised it. It's only ancient cars like this that don't have the proper charge ports.

[@Zer0ducksgiven]

I've owned a modern electric car now for about a year and its absolutely amazing for basically any and all local driving around my area, anywhere up to about 100 miles away I can confidently drive to knowing I can get back without needing to stop. My main issue with the car is when I have to go further, it's not often, but when I DO, It's quite frankly a fucking nightmare, my car is modern so its the CCS standard, meaning I can charge it basically at any charging point with no issues, the problem is the speed of the chargers, the QUEUES at the chargers and worst of all, the fucking COST, some of the charging stations will cost you upwards of £60 for a full charge from 5%, which is insane, especially because my fitted driveway charger costs £3.89 for a full charge. There's currently very little regulation on this stuff and the government doesn't really seem to care, these private companies can literally charge you whatever they want for a electricity. My recommendation for ANYONE, is that yes electric cars are fully daily-able, unless you have to do frequent long journeys across the country. If you do, just stay away, it's too much of a pain in the arse. But for the odd occasional long jouney, it can be fine, it just requires you to do a lot of planning ahead, which in itself usually goes wrong. You can't just rely on where you're going to just "have" a charger and have one that's working, or one that's fast. Which with any ICE car you absolutely can rely on petrol stations being everywhere and accessible.

[@ricequackers]

The real takeaway is that the UK is shit when it comes to the infrastructure. Only two chargers at a services is terrible, the rates are way overpriced vs charging at home, and a lot of the chargers are either not working or are a nightmare to actually get working. If you can charge at home on your driveway all the time they're great otherwise. The real irony of course is that the London, the place best suited to having an electric car, is the place where driveways and garages on houses are quite rare so you can't even charge at home.

[@Pignapper123]

Our second car is a bmw i3 2018. Original range was 135 miles. 6 and a half years later it still gets 135 miles. The bmw battery management system is fantastic. Oh and the car is a hoot to drive but the i3 is quite unique with its carbon fibre tub.

[@KeyBrosUK]

Not as much of a hoot as a 335d, or a 340i

[@Kyomara1337]

It is also one of the ugliest BMWs ever made, only behind that 2 series Mini Van abomination.

[@rcrestoworkshop]

@@Kyomara1337obviously not seen the current ix8 then, or come to think of it any other current bmw

[@Kyomara1337]

@@rcrestoworkshop had to look that one up but that still looks better than the two that I mentioned before

[@R03333]

​@@KeyBrosUKbut you could have an I3 and an old M3 for similar money as a newer 35d or 40i

[@stephen3164]

When showing all their cost comparisons, Tesla uses 10 cents/kwh as the rate for electricity. My home rate varies between 38-65 cents/kwh, depending on season and time of day. The argument of “practically free to drive - don’t have to pay for gas!” has turned in to the reality of “gets the same mpg as a regular car”, or really “cost of power per mile”. There are parts of the US where the electric rate is 10 cents /kwh. The other thing many people don’t fully grasp, is just how much a 90kwh battery has worth of electricity. My entire 4 bedroom house uses 20kwh/day on average. That’s all lights, appliances, etc. On a very hot day, running the AC nonstop, that jumps to 50-60kwh! Talking about 95 degree hot days. That’s a lot of power - so much so that in my state of CA, on a hot day when everyone is running their AC and using 40-60kwh, the state will issue a “flex alert” instructing (or forcing) people to set their AC to 78 degrees, and not use major appliances. Now just think if every household had TWO electric cars! If you charged each car once per week for local driving, that would be an extra 160kwh per week your household used, or 20kwh/day on average. Essentially making every day a flex alert day, and if we actually need to run the AC? Forget it! I have 20 solar panels on my roof. Essentially filling most of the usage SW facing space. On a cloudy day, I make 5kwh. On a sunny day, I can produce 30-45kwh, depending on the month. I spec’d my system to produce 15% more electricity than my house uses in a year -so net effect, I should be feeding the grid a bit. If I bought an EV, I would need another 10-15 panels to produce the energy to charge it, on average - and like I said, my roof is pretty full already. For EVs to work, we need a lot more power, reliable daily, and lower rates. Until then, gasoline powered cars are just easier for the end user. (It’s tempting to buy a short range EV to run in the event that there’s a gas shortage.)

[@rkan2]

US is not the only place in the world. There are many places in the world where EVs have plenty of power for charging. Don't buy an EV in Germany or Poland though where electricity is expensive and very carbon intensive...

[@ASEM-1123]

electric cars are only better than gas for regions where electricity is

[@kingdomofashes]

Its weird to me that your cloudy to sunny ratio is so bad. I live in Australia admittedly but with our Lg panels with enphase microinverters I get about half the power on very overcast days vs sunny so even in winter with a stormy day we still manage 12kw on our 8.5kw solar system.

[@stephen3164]

@@kingdomofashes - dang, that’s pretty good! My setup is 7.6kw, but on cloudy days, I really dont get much at all. On partially cloudy days, I make 1/2-2/3 of my usually sunny day total. 🤷‍♂️

[@miskatonic6210]

You only show us how much energy every single car uses compared to a household. Combustion cars don't use less energy. They burn mindblowing amounts of resources every single day.

[@vidfletch]

Abington Services also not outside Glasgow but closer than Edinburgh. 🤣🤣🤣

[@anywherenearzero]

We own Nissan Ariya. We drove it across Europe and back no drama what so ever. You learn to drive between charge stations on long journeys and now that tesla have opened up many of their sites to non tesla owners, waiting and having to que is a thing of the past. The car is way faster and cheaper to run than most

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

This is like 98% of my experience with the loaner 2021 Ioniq 5 i had to driver for a month and a half while my S6 was in for out of bay engine service. Absolutely hated the entire experience. The range anxiety, the ever broken or slow chargers, the queues for the working ones, the insanely slow charging speeds in the hot days, the INSANE costs compared even to a 21 year old V8. I truly believe we are finally past the peak of battery EVs and they will now slowly die off until hydrogen fuel cells become the new norm. Batteries simply don't work.

[@jasonlewis4686]

A bunch of petrolheads go on a trip in EVs. The outcome was predictable

[@MarkB-33]

Open goal though...😂😂😂

[@Bananektdu]

7 hours to charge a car for a 2 day trip mate, it's not about being a petrol head, they hated it because it's a nuisance and an inconvenience. I probably haven't spent total of 7 hours in my entire life on filling up cars. Electrics are for rich people to flash around with their new toys, or morons that think them waiting ages for a car to charge somehow saves the planet.

[@SJWPropertyManagement]

@Bananektdu car was charged on AC not DC. Modern cars have CCS which can charge 0 to 90% in around 12 minutes

[@fuzzy-daddy83]

@@SJWPropertyManagement That's if you can find a charging point, that's A-Empty and B-Working.

[@taffrhys]

@@Bananektdu 7hrs On a slow charger at 7kw, or around 20min on a fast charger.

[@VikaponeLt]

I have EV. Around 30k km a year. 95% charging is done at home using my own Solar power. So EV are usable, it's based on how you are using it. These queues in UK are crazy. Went through Poland with EV few time, had to wait 15min only once.

[@mattipeltola4394]

Fan of the channel, but Don't appreciate the EV bashing. The Tesla is old, it has done nearly half a million miles and it still works rather well. My petrol car has slightly over 200 000 km (~125 000 miles) and the engine is clogged with carbon build-up making it run like sh*t.. 🤷

[@E34Benzin]

Because you drive it like a grandma, which makes sense considering you like washer machines on wheels.

[@mattipeltola4394]

@@E34Benzin Good one 🤣 Might very well be, or possibly has also something to do with fuel direct injection or on the other hand the lack of indirect fuel injection and, thus, the intake ports experiencing no solvent spray that would keep them clean. I do admit that the daily driver doesn't necessarily offer similar excitement as for example racing my RR bike on the track...

[@E34Benzin]

@@mattipeltola4394 One redline a day keeps the mechanic away. You should push the pedal to the metal every once in a while, even if you normally drive at low revs for the daily commute. :)

[@guardrailhitter]

17:15 never thought I'd hear anyone sound so enthusiastic about being in the midlands

[@Arek_R.]

If that renault has got the battery in the trunk and in some normal square box then there should be some aftermarket replacements that would get you 150 miles of range for few thousands.

[@kennethr2525]

this is so good guys it is like old top gear challenge but i prefer this if i am to be honest you guys

[@ryanjamescorey2838]

Great video. Old Top Gear vibes. In a good way. Three mates mucking about with cars. Perfect.

[@Jellymech1]

Nothing like a good old anti ev video to get the views up , all a little bit to staged as its not that hard to charge an ev

[@relentless1322]

how is poiting out their many flaws a anti ev video?

[@Jellymech1]

@relentless1322 pointing out the flaws of old technology and pretending to not know how to charge it ? It's nothing new but whatever gets the views eh

[@jessegrant6760]

I follow all the car channels from harrys garrage to seen through glass. I enjoy them all but nothing comes closer to the joy I had watching old top gear than this channel. Keep it up lads!

[@kgd6567]

Would love to see you and Taylor do a top gear style Audi budget challenge, a trip to Scotland or Germany perhaps, would love too see who’s can lasts the longest ❤

[@devinea1983]

Buys Renault confluence - “Electric cars are shit” If he had bought a shitbox Leaf you would have been able to use the Chademo fast chargers at most of the Mer or BP chargers along the route. They’ve been on the market for 12 years and still work today for supercharging. Either Autoalex is being wilfully ignorant about charging standards, or maybe just being dramatic for the camera. The confluence, like the Mercedes B Electric and the Focus Electric are designed for commuters with chargers at their home, to which weirdly, they just work. I’m about to do a trip from Heathrow in a Polestar 2 around the UK, so in this honour… I’m going to enjoy proving how easy electric vehicle usage is in the UK, even with the iffy charging coverage they have. :-)

[@StuartRiley23]

You have to ask yourself what question had to be asked in 2012 for that Renault Fluence to be the best answer for someone.

[@blablaproducties]

What car should my sims get to lower their bills in the sims 3

[@mitchellsmith7355]

The g wizz wasn't in stock?? 😂 Honestly Renault should be punished for putting that shit box into circulation

[@garybibby2698]

Do it in the cheapest Zoe you can find…. But then you wouldn’t have a ragebaity video!

[@Windows98R]

its not "you cant charge to 100%". Its "you cant LEAVE it sitting at 100%". In a road trip, that battery is not going to stay at a 100% for long. As soon as you pull off again, it'll be well on its way to 0% again so the max charge issue doesn't matter. Its just a practicality issue of it being slow post-80%.

[@kennyef]

Love watching the challenges boys. The new top gear for KZbin. Absolutely love it. Crack on and keep it up.

[@paulleonard1296]

2011 called. They want their Top Gear jokes back.

[@johnmcgaugie7580]

For car guys not to have bought a simple type 1 to type 2 adapter seems like they deliberately made a fake video

[@toastydave1]

Lads your are embarrassing yourselves now, the fake drama, the fake mpg, the fake cost, this video will not age well when like it or not we will all have Evs and know the truth

[@Butch1086]

Home Charger is a must, also do not exchange to motorway car for an EV Tesla may do 350-400 miles but that’s in the spring, when the temp drops below 10c you see the miles drop right off.

[@MatthewWood-s8q]

I've seen someone is currently trying to sell the Renault for £2k. Very worrying a 12 year old car is in such a way it's no longer practical.

[@WattUpHaters]

Typical anti EV narrative. Buy a shit EV and expect shit things. Well done for making a really predictable video about EVs. If you claim to like fast cars, get a fast ev. Not a ropey old Tesla and an awful Renault. Fuck it, why not try to make one interesting. An EV MX-5? That would go through tyres in no time and would be an interesting build series?!

[@vanoscrap-nb1go]

you're missing the point of the video, which is you can't use a "cheap shitbox secondhand EV". Incompatibility with charging, battery degradation, poor firmware... you can't apply the buy a shitbox and go philosophy here, that's what this video is about.

[@EazyDuz18]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[@WattUpHaters]

@@vanoscrap-nb1go then why include the Tesla comparison and slate it? That thing is impressive that it’s done such high mileage. Plus the supercharging network was fine for their trip and that a trip of that length is not an ordinary trip even by fossil fuel standards. Most people don’t do 300 miles regularly. The stupid its so expensive to charge trope was a load of horse shit too. If you charge at home a majority of the time, the occasional expensive charge does not make it suddenly the most expensive vehicle to run. They should have just called the video from the start; we hate evs so will take cheap shots at them to get some views from boomers.

[@KeyBrosUK]

@@WattUpHatersviews from boomers? Most of the viewers are under 30, he’s said so before. Try to cope with the fact people like different things and don’t get brainwashed as easily as you.

[@Baron-Ortega]

Electric cars are shit status symbols. If you can get round the impracticalities theres the fact most people will need to get into debt to buy one. Why would I do this when I can pick up a cheap 2L diesel for £3k or less?? 😂

[@deim]

A few weeks ago Alex got a £30K car because "old ICE cars are unreliable". We've seen the amount of ICE cars that have motor problems on this channel. We've seen them break down on the side of a busy motorway. Yet, electric cars are sh*t because they didn't get an adapter to charge the car at most stations.

[@mattparkin7224]

You can't break down on the side of the motorway if you break down before you get to the motorway

[@CaiSpidox]

I bet they had an adapter without realising. XD

[@grahamleiper1538]

@@deim it's almost like that's the intent? The Tesla knew the superchargers at Abington were out of service even if they didn't so an odd choice of starting location. They've been out of service most of the year. They know the Renault only takes AC and has shit range. I think the conclusion was decided on before anything was filmed. Alex has a KZbin channel so should surely be tech savvy enough to filter charge location by type of plug in ZapMap.

[@paullinnitt5450]

Surely they are Sh*t because fixing an ICE costs £1000 or so but fixing batteries costs £20000

[@CaiSpidox]

@@paullinnitt5450 not sure where you got that number from but in the rare event the battery literally becomes unusable or whatnot ..well guess it depends on battery size and manufacturer..engines can die too and depending on the engine I'm sure you'll look at a lot more than a grand..you'll just get a new car

[@EthanTurner61]

Bit disappointed with this. There must have been some level of misunderstanding, miscalculation or just straight up self-sabotage. I drove to the south of France and back this summer in an EV, didn’t experience any problems at all, the whole experience was super easy and it cost me like 75% less than what a decent petrol car would have cost me. You guys seem to keep shovelling biased nonsense about EV’s without giving it a fair and balanced look.

[@GeorgeAusters]

You drove 2000 miles in an EV? How many times did you have to charge up in that time

[@EthanTurner61]

@@GeorgeAusters I say south of France, it was more sort of Lyon area, but still about 1500 miles round trip. We needed to charge the car 3 times each way excluding the initial home charge to start the journey, but every time we charged it was at a point where we’d be stopping for a break or overnight stay anyway so it was never an inconvenience.

[@bdeithrick]

Yeah they make video content. They had since 2012 to learn this. As journalists. They make videos for views and comments.

[@Madcmak]

I daily a 2017 BMW 330e PHEV and I think it's brilliant after my last 5 dailys being diesel. It's quiet and hot off the mark but if you want power the 2.0ltr petrol still has a nice kick. The range is a little crap being an older PHEV but I can still get anywhere in my town and home again on only electric and a full charge only costs about £1 you don't get range anxiety because it still has an ICE engine I think it's the best all rounder. Of course I still have a shitbox Rover 220 turbo coupe for fun on the weekends!

[@RBcymru]

I had an ev for 2 years but mainly drove it locally and charged at Tesco or home. In the winter (December) with 80% charge in the 54 kwh battery the car struggled to do 110 miles on the motorway. I even had to switch off the air con to get home which I did with 8% battery. The motorway was a bit up and down so not flat. Recently while out working in my diesel van I stopped at Gloucester services South bound. It was a Monday afternoon about 2pm and there were around 200 cars in the car park. There are 8 Tesla chargers and about 8 other chargers. If a car takes on average 40 minutes to charge and 16 cars charging at one time it would take over 8 hours to charge all 200 cars. What if you were car 200, wait all day ? Every services needs 50 plus chargers and if they all draw 150 kw that is 7500 kw per hour so a fair size sub station to run the chargers.

[@mattarmstrong1908]

I don't get all the hate towards EVs. They do a job, they're just not something you guys are ever going to like. At the start of the video you say how the Tesla has done almost half a million miles but still feels nice to drive. How many times have we seen you in a normal car that's done 200k miles and you've spent £10k on it just for it to blow up again 😂 You also always forget about home charging which can be as low as 7p/kWh and not the 80p/kWh you get charged on motorways. Not much different how petrol is always more expensive at service stations

[@jondonnelly3]

200k miles is nothing to a good ice car.

[@raffiefoxmew3691]

​@@jondonnelly3well that's nonsense. Have had several ICE cars die after half that despite good maintenance.

[@thecrow3461]

@@jondonnelly3 Cars on average last around 200k and modern cars are lucky to even reach that. The tesla did more than twice that.

[@OGCrypto33]

Heres a great challenge for you all. Why not convert them over to petrol by putting engines in both cars.

[@StefanP742]

This country wants this whole electric car thing to work but have the absolute worst infrastructure in place

[@krs4976]

It was always a dead end by design

[@EVMan298]

You’re only seeing the worst but experienced EV drivers don’t have these issues.

[@EVMan298]

@@nelapsi. It is working. The anti-EV brigade just looks for problem which don’t exist. This video is proof of that.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@krs4976 I'm sure it's a total coincidence that the charging infrastructure that's built by oil companies and legacy car makers fails all the time, whilst the one built by the EV marque is very reliable.

[@krs4976]

@@drunkenhobo8020 the electric companies are about to start rationing electricity with organised shutdowns. If I were you I would look into UN agenda 2030.

[@MrSluby]

Best services in the uk teebay

[@rorymckeown6296]

I have a BMW 330e PHEV and it uses the Mennekes socket on it. Gets around 15 miles of electric range, an average of about 300 miles combined with a full 40l tank of petrol. It's nigh on impossible to find chargers that can charge my car, and if you do find one it's probably broken anyway. It's useful for me because I can charge it with a 3-pin granny charger and do the school run on a single charge. This car has taught me that the UK's EV charging infrastructure isn't good enough. You need loads of stupid apps, they rarely ever work, and they're grossly overpriced. They are only practical if you can charge at home and if the range is enough for the longest journey you need to make. It's fun to drive though with the instant torque!

[@_-000-_]

Who's gonna buy that tape when the word centre is spelt wrong 😂

[@LuigiDonatello]

Bought a 1.000 pound electric car of 12 years of age. Says all electric cars are shit 😂 basically this sums up all these car pages. Fossil fuel cars also took ages to become as good as they are.

[@Kazdy]

Underrated comment, 100%

[@midlifecarsis6420]

Don't watch it then, go watch a channel about washing machines instead.

[@napsterau6816]

@@midlifecarsis6420 Hey washing machines are electric!

[@midlifecarsis6420]

@@napsterau6816 yep, more to this guys taste 🤣

[@grahamleiper1538]

@@LuigiDonatello for balance they should buy a diesel, only fill it at the most expensive motorway services. Complain about the cost. Realise half a mile later they filled it with petrol as it comes to a juddering halt. Call AA man. Get diesel tank emptied and replace fuel pump. Complain about cost. Say in conclusion "Diesel cars are shit". That'd be roughly comparable to most of the anti EV stuff on KZbin.

[@ObiePaddles]

‘I’m not being dumb here?’ Says Alex. Yes and throughout the whole video. Good content for you viewers to reinforce stereotypes about how hard EVs can be

[@elliotgreen987]

Spends half the video driving on an empty battery, goes past charging stations with less than 10 miles of range, and doesn't check what chargers are available beforehand but yet it's somehow the fault of electric vehicles he got stuck!

[@varph_]

​@@elliotgreen987 It's the usual crap with these car KZbinrs.

[@elliotgreen987]

@@varph_ Pretty dissappointing, I lived with an EV for about a year and it was fine. A couple of frustrating situations with charging but never ran out of charge and with literally 2 minutes of planning it was never more than a mild inconveniance.. but that wouldn't get the views so instead they deliberately make an issue where one doesn't exist!

[@arcadely]

Back in 2021 I was looking to replace my car and I looked into electric then, but I watched that Hubnut video where he did the road trip in that Jaguar iPace. Lovely car and all but the amount of ballache involved in charging in, and the overall shittiness of the charging network really put me off. I ended up with a hybrid Volvo V90 instead, and am still very happy with it. This video, again, shows: we're still not ready for electric cars. I've had to do a lot of long distance driving over the past 18 months: in fact my car barely sees use during the week for day to day stuff and, if I'd gone full electric, I'd have had a complete nightmare with it. What I'm banking on is renewable hydrocarbons: using engineered bacteria to create hydrocarbons as a side effect of metabolism that we can then use for fuel, etc. If that can be scaled up we're onto a winner and, even better, it's obviously great for carbon capture as well because it means that burning/manufacturing hydrocarbons becomes a steady state activity, and so anything else we're doing for carbon capture (like planting trees) brings CO2 down. That's not to say there isn't a place for electric cars, but they're very clearly not a total solution and it's frustrating that the government (and indeed other governments) are pushing them as one.