New wave of exciting EVs you'll want to buy | | Deep Drive Podcast Ep.37 | Autocar India

While electric vehicle sales remain on the uptrend, 2024 witnessed both a slowdown in interest as well as a bounce back in the last few months. Hormazd Sorabjee - Editor, Autocar India - and Sergius Barretto - Managing Editor, Autocar India - discuss what's up and talk of the hot new electric models that could make 2025 the year of the EV.
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[@kte3847]

I am not sure if Tata Motors is taking quality issues seriously. Things have to change fundamentally, end to end.

[@rajoosolanky780]

Thanks for listening to your fans. The Gray coloured background in use for present podcast really looks better than earlier Pink, Violet Background.

[@ahsreekrishnanayalur2797]

Got a chance to speak to the owner of MG Windsor. He says 285 - 290 kilometers on a single charge with 100% AC in Bangalore traffic. ❤❤❤

[@mohanphadnis]

Ac is weak, that is the inly probpem with windsor, a 50kWh windsor with better AC, even 17l would make lot more sense.

[@harshupandit91198]

Mahindra is offering life time battery warranty with their born electric vehicles

[@Reddylion]

Yes. Good.

[@kte3847]

M&M's pricing at launch is just their tried and tested marketing ploy. The models worth buying will be costing much higher than prices announced at launch.

[@tushtushar]

100% agree with the statement. Once you drive electric, it's hard to go back to ICE. I enjoyed driving diesel for 14 years. But it's such a convenience to drive electric. The power and torque are very addictive

[@ahsreekrishnanayalur2797]

Today in Bangalore, I was happy to see 4 MG Windsor within a span of 4 hours. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@PranavVikram]

Waiting for more EV adoption in India. It can contribute to clean city air. A 600 km range is equivalent to an ICE car. The petrol lobby media funded by OPEC is trying hard to prevent EVs. It’s sad India government has cut down on incentives almost entirely

[@uaeindi]

400km range. Very very few need 600km range

[@MrDebranjandutta]

Being a Punch EV Adventure LR owner, would like to say I haven't faced any software issues, because I have a basic fluorescent vacuum MID and 7 inch infotainment screen. So lower gizmos and complexity. Only thing which is off is the range estimation

[@PranavVikram]

Owner of an Empowered Plus LR here. No issues after upgrading to version 15 software.. HV critical errors they mentioned are with the electrical system, Not software. HV critical errors affect all their vehicles on all variants. Reasons range from motor issues, traction motor issues, HV wiring issues, PTC heater module issues etc. Software bugs can be solved by a restart. HV critical errors are electrical issues and need towing

[@malikveeresh6751]

Agreed. We have 3 Tata Nexon EVs in our compound, and SOP is not to add anything electrical to them, as well as physically lock the USB Port. We have not had ANY problems with any of those EVs - except for one episode where some sort of a fault at a public charger brought our Nexon EV to restricted/safe mode. Sorted out by next morning by efficient RSA and Tata Motors Urs workshop in Mysuru.

[@beastislive7174]

BE06 might be the car that acted like Model 3 did for the US EV market.....I am bullish about Mahindra's BE

[@ravishekhar6852]

BYD is the best in EV. Their software are very reliable and they have 1.2 lakh people in the R&D. I have a SEAL mid variant ( Premium) since June 24 and no issues with HMI.

[@SrijanJha-f7w]

What is your profession?

[@viper672]

Lick Chinese a*s😂😂

[@shivakumarbv6100]

Success of software is not depending on Number of employees. It depends how perfect job they get.

[@pranay220]

Unfortunately all new EV launches are in the 20-25 lakh range and in the 5-20 lakh range only MG has got the product to compete with Tata. So MG is going to win volumes. I hope Tata invests in QC, so that service network takes a breather. Curvv EV will get a price cut around Feb or Mar by 2.0 lakh, to bring it close to 15.5 lakhs. I dont think Mahindra will launch the XEV 7e below 20 lakhs inspite of the GST advantage of EV over ICE. It will be same price as a Xuv700 Petrol Automatic on-road Mumbai

[@sohandesai818]

I think there's an electric version of the 3XO currently under testing. That should be coming next year as well.

[@Hello-kh6bk]

Just like, Mahindra BE and XEV brand. TATA should also come up with their own EV brands

[@deeptanshukumarbehera]

AVINYA

[@utkarshrawat8951]

EVs are not meant to save the planet, but to save the automobile industry

[@rho992]

thats bs... no ICE car company wants to make EV.. they would instead want to milk the same car structure they have created.

[@saiyannegi]

if you can cut out the drama and hyperbole EV cars actually make sense for many and overall they run more efficiently than ICE

[@commieTerminator]

Did u compare lifecycle emissions of similarly sized and powered EV and ICE? Lot of credible papers are available and "unfortunately" EVs are greener if not completely green... The emissions of EVs are only going to come down with research and upscaling of battery materials and recycling

[@srikard1564]

With ev circular economy can be created and right steps are going towards it, which can't be said to an ice vehicle.

[@deeptanshukumarbehera]

na

[@sreenivasv3042]

Firstly its difficult to get a 11kw charger installed for flats and apartments due to govt restrictions and next is fast charging infrastructure across cities and highways

[@DeepakVarshney86]

TML has found a solution for HV Alert. Normally HV Critical alert would come whenever there is a sudden drop in voltage in HV battery. The causes for the same are most likely some bad cells. So there is another option which Tata Motors took, they actually accepted the lower voltage and reduced the vehicles DTE to match the current available battery voltage. These happened through BMS software update and now instead of HV Crtitical Alert, we get SOC and DTE drops :(

[@mayurc]

The best way to for TATA to win customers is to make New only Service Centres in all major cities across INDIA with dedication towards customer satisfaction! Be it at outskirts of the cities. Then maybe it can win more customers.

[@atharvavelhankar]

Cqn you guys discuss what's up with TVS lately in next podcast? Such great performance at rally yet only manufacturer without an ADV.... launching 300cc in era where competitors are in 450-500cc segments..

[@rjatzzz]

Oil import is 200 billion$ by india. Govt will do anything to push ev. . Ice time is over. Taxes on gasoline vehicles and fuel will rise every year.

[@arpanmalhi8342]

Waiting for mg comet 2025 and cyberstar

[@antonysujith3669]

EVs can and will save the environment, unless EV owners and charging stations have solar energy to charge up the cars.

[@melwynphilips856]

I waited till 11:30 and then thought because of the prep for the Car of the Year awards, there would be no podcast today. But here we are.

[@blackbirds1440]

There is no point for TATA to bring out conversion EVs when so many grounds up EVs are already available in market. Conversion EV's lose out the single most important advantage of born evs, the electrical and electronic architecture. Born EVs are way ahead in this matter compared to ICE/ conversion EVs.

[@krishnachandramenon8]

More choice will cause confusion/less satisfied customers. It's like more choice like no choice, that's why Tesla uses GMs proper range pricing for its models and fewer models.

[@bonmec101]

14:58 I have to disagree here as an automotive software engineer. Software in EVs is not exponentially unreliable. The problem is most OEMs are moving to new EE centralized architectures with their new EV platforms because that’s the future. These architectures are new and prone to issues just like any new technology. These are exponentially more sophisticated to develop than traditional architecture. Automotive still uses traditional processes to develop these. The industry is going through a paradigm shift. The EV software like battery or motor control in itself are not any more complicated than ICE control software.

[@gautam.k.shetty165]

I just dont see the average guy buying an EV as their first choice vehicle. It triggered a debate at work where a lot of folks said they would definitely look at EV as their second car which they would use for city commute. However the limited EV infrastructure, higher charging time for batteries might make most folks opt out for cross city travel. I do hope theough that EV does gain a strong foothold forcing private and public entities to look at widening its adoptibility in the next 15 years

[@chandermotwani3493]

Brilliant Content and Awesome analysis on Auto Industry. Good to see manufacturers like Mahindra taking high quality LFP battery technology and unified battery cells from Volkswagen. Even battery technology is evolving sodium ion batteries are coming up Aluminum air battery technology coming up. And yes Software glitches are big challeng. Hybrids are best bet now 🤘🏻🚗💯

[@hk4848]

in india if you want a reasonably good ev then go for byd in India but in the lower end its good to get a car with peace of mind, the higher end kia, hyundai are all good

[@deepubd]

Thanks Hormaz For touching briefly on BYD

[@ramnaidu2812]

Intellectual insightful podcast

[@sandeepwali3504]

Tata nano with EV make more sense for city ride just like comet.

[@vishnupillai300]

What Mahindra did was they entirely changing the perception of Indian customers towards EV..Maruti made EVX..Thats more focused for Europe..But Mahindra made BEVs for India.They proved not just Chinese can make futuristic electric cars ,that too at a cost much lower, affordable for many Indians..

[@prem9501]

If there is some standardization for ev software like what Android is for phones, I think software quality will improve. Also different manufacturers can save on software development cost.

[@bvipul1]

Pls make a video on road tax exemptions on EVs in various states across India

[@KumarSaurabh_official]

In that weekly report also mention sales report of ev month wise once a month as a article. You have wast experience of driving various ev so you can make a practical specs sheet and rating according to your experience for range, suspension, seat comfort, battery, built quality, wheel, charging facility. This will give a more accurate idea of feel and ride of ev as all brands try to boast their own vehicle as its the best.

[@madhurgoel3348]

Pls also do a podcast on luxury EVs. I know the percentage of viewers is less. But would be great for an insight on EX90 or Defender EV.

[@george983]

Also, EVs will hit mass market when thr will be cars ranging below 10L mark, which would be ideal budget for most of the indian buyers.

[@anishskaria]

Can we expect EVs to be cheaper in 2025-2026 ? Any good EV SUVs in the range of 25-30 lacs ..

[@sivasalmoorthir2289]

Byd

[@commieTerminator]

Yes. Competition is increasing... More choice = better price

[@deeptanshukumarbehera]

xev 9e

[@saurabh459]

Yes wait till 2026. More are coming with bigger range

[@dakshkumarsingh909]

If EVs were a stock I would buy it now

[@hk4848]

tata cars are like may you to be lucky to be happy

[@besouvik]

Great session

[@ranjitpal9937]

EV Infrastructure is the Most Important 🔥 One

[@Bastillemoteurs]

As we approach mid-2025, I believe Mahindra's new products will face stiffer competition, especially with Tata launching the Sierra EV and other offerings. Personally, I find the design of the Sierra EV more appealing compared to the BE.6. It’s disappointing that the Indian car market isn’t focusing much on small cars anymore. Automakers keep rolling out large, bulky vehicles, which aren’t always practical for a space-constrained city like New Delhi.

[@hkedia2004]

I really want an ev similarly priced to tiago ev, similar range but better looking and from a different brand. Can be used a daily driver for someone traveling 30-40 kms daily to save money as a secondary car since our policies hate diesel so very much

[@sharmavikas05]

Should we wait for more denser batteries, e.g. LiS or it would be long wait? At present LR just means bigger battery, but why carry unnecessary weight 90% of time. Smaller battery can serve if charging time is under 15 min on highways. Another option would be wait and watch for REEV

[@sumitgaur5497]

We dropped plan of ev becz no one in our society thought of installing home charger at parking

[@polaris1985]

Need Xpeng and Nio to come to India

[@MahendraSingh-ry4zd]

❤ welcome 🤗

[@siddharthasamuel7259]

Mark my words, EVs will still struggle to sell in volumes in India even by 2035 because of the very fact that there is no peace of mind in owning EVs and even thinking of going on long haul trips without doing Google search for charging stations and having range anxiety. More so, lack of well maintained functional chargers outside city area or even inside city. And considering we live in a country where govt. cannot even resolve potholes and basic road infra, expecting charging EV infrastructure everywhere is just too unrealistic to have from the govt., not to mention the electricity supply deficit across India. We have power cuts in cities and metros often, which is a revelation of the fact that our countries infrastructure isn't ready to handle the power demand of EVs if they at all sell. India currently needs basic road infra and improved power supply infra first before thinking of an ecosystem which is best fit for only first world countries like EU, US, China!

[@abhijeetmali9001]

Lucid Gravity upcoming?

[@Bastillemoteurs]

Its about to get bankrupt.

[@guruprasadrai1110]

Ev charging infrastructure should increase.

[@Star-ds4sd]

Is the Mahindra Born Ev " Platform Modular " ?

[@srs.shashank]

first time buyers will be more hesitant for EVs and then there is the issue with resale value. 6e and 9e still feels like a final stage prototype.

[@mackisbrocklesnar]

A wise person never buys a car to sell it. Resale value is irrelevant unless you are a car collector.

[@hk4848]

ideally one should buy mahindra next festive season as its still on test phase people who buy will tell what all should be corrected and then they will correct it make it a better buy next Diwali. 2025 Diwali it is. mahindra will correct it ]

[@ritvikchandila1793]

How much discount can be negotiated if the Car Manufacturing is 10 months old. Year change also coming

[@manankataria1415]

Is the Ioniq 5 facelift going to come to India?

[@9000eldiablo]

I am currently in the middle of a 1500 Km road trip accross Uttarakhand. The last EV I saw was in Dehradun 7 days ago and that was an Ola scooter. Point being, EV infra is ages behind for EVs to become mainstream. I cannot imagine driving and relying on an EV across this road trip nor can someone living here. Even if I get charging at a home stay here, what about breakdowns? No mechanic here is capable of fixing these soulless gadgets. I personally will avoid EVs until I can. Hybrids are a more viable and logical options to reduce dependency on fossil fuels for now.

[@georgethomasv]

As long as charging infrastructure doest not improve, the sales of ev's won't take off.

[@sunaysaraf]

In 2025, to face competition and save Market Share, Tata Motors should offer below Battery Pack Option only: Tiago: 24 kWh Punch: 35 kWh Nexon: 45 kWh Curvv: 55 kWh And they have to Re- correct pricing of it EV Models as below: Tiago: ₹ 6.99 - 8.99 Lacs Punch: ₹ 9.29 - 12.29 Lacs Nexon: ₹ 12.49 - 15.29 Lacs Curvv: ₹ 15.49 - 18.99 Lacs

[@abhinavsingh.92]

I don't see the launches from Mahindra as market-disrupting products, owing to their niche styiling and price tag. Sure they will create buzz for the manufacturer and are superior products compared to its earlier offering, but they don't stand in the same league as the Windsor or the upcoming e-Vitara in my opinion.

[@iambreddy]

The only thing against Mahindra is their radical design. Otherwise their cars are 1-2 leagues above Windsor or Vitara, based on the performance and battery packs.

[@saurabh459]

E-vitara is in no league. Terrible powertrain, poor space, meh range and the final coffin would be the price. Windsor needs 50kWh to compete

[@Jassimran_Singh]

dont you think these software driven cars can be extremely dangerous ? anyone with hacking capabilities can override the system and become the controller of the vehicle ? this can bring a lot of trouble

[@mathanthy]

Indeed. As small glitch in software could cost people’s lives

[@7567_Rex]

Do you think ICE cars dont have software? His own XUV700 ICE has more software than Nexon EV max

[@Thatinvisibleguy75]

Top 5 fastest accelerating cars(0-100) under 20 lakhs

[@Reddylion]

Mahindra BE 6e 79 , awd rwd my choice. Pack three... Bring velusamy. They must price it really well so all these e vitara, windsor, harrier, sieara awd , creta ev, byd, tesla etc etc , for someone buying in europe, someone buying in barath all these talk must vanish.

[@muttineni03]

i Will only buy EV when charging infra is ready, when EV are reliable to ride and we still dont know much about these battery reliability and how much any issues gonna cost, all that could take another 10 years.

[@viper672]

Only mahindra😍😍

[@mangalsingh-wc5ql]

Any news of carens ev

[@hashiquev4422]

Every petrol station should provide charging station.government should mandate that

[@M4NA5]

India lacks considerable infrastructure to sustain EV automobiles on the road. There’s a reason diesel is still prevalent in this part of the world and EV ranges are cut in half in practical use here. Not to mention China has a stronghold on battery tech.

[@blackbirds1440]

It is a chicken and egg argument. Once substantial amount of EVs are present, infrastructures will go up too.

[@antonysujith3669]

I drove in my EV from Kochi to Thane via Goa and back. No problem of charging stations. Yes, the one who drives an EV need to know how to plan the trip. Then the trip is like any other.

[@sachinshimpi2460]

MG & Mahindra(BE) are all set to take market share of Tata in EV space, lot to re-think for Tata.EV if they have to keep their market share to 40% & above

[@Raj-nh3fc]

Personally I would prefer an EV that looks like and feels like a car (that I am used to and can relate to) and not a playstation with four wheels and a mind of its own. But then I am from a different generation,

[@mayurc]

CARBON FOOTPRINT! Why no one is talking about it? 😮

[@yourtechbuddy7880]

Funfact according to some websites maruti has 3k+ showrooms so if every dealer sells just 1 ev they will be the best seller😂

[@sohandesai818]

EV market will definitely grow when MS gets into the mix.

[@VikasSharma-pj6ih]

Punch under 10 lac is an amazing ev. Wrongly priced.

[@sukumayu]

What nobody is talking much about is the cost of electricity in a scenario where EV adoption goes high. ESCOMS will progressively increase the price of electricity. Right now, charging at home costs about ₹1 per km and with public infra charging it costs ₹2.5. This will change dramatically if ESCOMs increase power tariffs. iCE cost per KM is at Rs.10 on an average. Question when will EV become unattractive.

[@george983]

Hi team, Don't you feel these electronically driven EV cars, thread to our privacy..! Bcos, if it is can be updated over air, it can also be modified over air..!

[@vittalshenoy]

You are probably commenting using a mobile phone which is tracked by the tower. So what's the point? Over the air updates are better than running to a service station for oil change.

[@AdityaDevSultan]

Why don’t they tie up with Apple and Google just for the software.

[@nononsense129]

In India right now, the EVs are only for urban cruising. Whatever claims you make, lack of charging stations, battery range, price of the EVs are all not favorable yet😂😂

[@defy82]

e-Vitara messed it up with 49KwH battery only. Who's gonna buy it if gives 250 - 280Km range at best for 15+ lacs.

[@sudarshanrock9551]

HI I AM LOOKING FOR A CAR HATCHBACK, SEDAN OR COMPACT SUV I AM 6.3 FEET TALL I CAN DRIVE VERY COMFORTABLE CRETA BUT FELT CRAMPED IN VITARA BREEZA DRIVEABLE BUT IS LITTLE CRAMPED AND CRETA IS USED BY MY FATHER BUT I WANT TO BUY USED CAR ANY CAR U GUYS SUGGESTION BETWEEN 2012 -TO 2020 FOR MOSTLY CITY DRIVE

[@007DevilDare]

EV is only practical in case of a Scooter, not in cars.

[@karpadayashpal]

Not more than 1-1.2 lakh units of total evs are going to be sold in the coming year Too pricey at the moment

[@maddymri]

No point buying ev currently. In 3-4 years sodium ion batteries will be commonplace as byd has already started manufacturing them. Ev prices will be half of what it is now once Na comes in and lithium will then be obsolete. Resale value of current ev 5 years from now? Not pretty hard to judge I guess.

[@Raj-nh3fc]

EVs are failing in the land of Tesla because they have not lived up to their expectation in range, specially during harsh winter, battery longevity due to early degradation, ease and price of charging, their high cost of purchase and ownership and general practicality like space and even safety which is a serious concern. While the EV market in both USA and China are collapsing, there seems to be a boom of new models coming out in India with promises of low cost, high features and lifelong battery waranty. Is there some thing that India knows that the world has completely missed? Is EV being reinvented in India?

[@7567_Rex]

ah yes EV is collapsing in china thats why more than 50% cars in china are EV at least lie in such manner which is believable

[@kargo1517]

There will never be a full EV adoption in the market. Hybrids will be leading the way into 2025 and beyond. You can tell by watching the strategy of Toyota/Honda/Hyundai, who are focusing on hybrids and not going big on full EVS.

[@explorewithshiney]

M1000r 2025 vs street fighter v4s 2025

[@nitinmodi6675]

EV in B class Sedan sub 4 meter on road below 15 lacs INR on road.MG windsor is price effective but software and agnomics too much electrnics reliance issues and AC issue due to much glass area stopping people to go all out for MG windsor EV.

[@TheAbzy01]

Pratab Bose gave fantastic Harrier design to Tata and now tata are on a mission to spoil it. All Tata cars looking same and ugly. Pratab Bose has taken Mahindra to next level with his designs.

[@Rocker_z]

EV is not the option

[@mackisbrocklesnar]

EV is an option, one more option

[@sirishkumar-m5z]

Embrace sustainability without compromise in the Toyota bZ4X. Its electrifying design, spacious interior, and instant torque bring thrill and functionality together. Innovative safety, connectivity, and premium features make every ride smooth, efficient, and enjoyable.

[@nicksonpinto2074]

Want to buy nothing unless i have to. Complete nirvana.

[@sankuM]

when it says "Producer: Nikhil Bhatia", is it the same Nikhil from Auto Car office?? 🤔@@autocarindia1

[@narendrabhardwaj7079]

Evs is the most boring cars. We should look for an alternative technology like hydrogen engine

[@vineethg6259]

And who is going to produce the Hydrogen and how?

[@PranavVikram]

Have you driven one ? The drive is and acceleration is phenomenal