Automotive Journalists vs Social Media: Pick a side!

[@GorZhe]

If Robert was a college professor I would never skip any of his classes 😊

[@tooclaws]

Good one. :)

[@Mike.W.Dasher]

His class would probably have an open bar. I'd pay tuition for that. ^^

[@tooclaws]

@@Mike.W.Dasher Lol Living the dream. :)

[@RobertMitchell]

@@Mike.W.Dasher 100% would have an open bar

[@tutelarius]

@@RobertMitchell With cocktail lessons.

[@mgcharoudin]

Tier MK4 represent.

[@RobertMitchell]

🏆

[@DavelyDriven]

Oh now it’s individual car factions battling it out lol

[@tooclaws]

lol

[@superdrummer3578]

How is your comment from 2 hours ago when the video was published 50 minutes ago? 😂

[@tooclaws]

@@superdrummer3578 Tricks of the game bro, We all need that person we trust. To say yes that's ok, nothing more. :) I think as not 100%

[@edcunhaph]

You couldn't have said it better! But the biggest fight and problem is from the traditional media that didn't addapt well in this new era of information available anywhere. Look at Chris Harris... Harry's Garage, Matt Watson... Tradicional journalists that are mandatory content on KZbin today for Car Enthusiasts, all because they bring they excellent judment and point of view (on this that normal peaple/normal youtubers can't see) to the KZbin public. We have space for everyone here, but not everyone wants to work for it or adapt.

[@happybeerlove]

I couldn't agree more, but with one caveat. I completely went off carwow for the same reasons I went off top gear. The vast majority of the banter and "impromptu" happenings on carwow are clearly written into the script. Plus, mat has no idea how to drive in any direction other than straight. He did a 765 review 5 months ago and all of the out of car shots are of someone that actually can drive a track. It's so obvious it's embarrassing, and in one cut a person magically appears in the passenger seat 🤣🤣🤦‍♂️

[@adamgreen7291]

Matt Watson the Launch King 👎

[@machtschnell7452]

Yeah but no technical analysis nor information. Chris Harris basically drifts around a track. Jimmy Clark never did.

[@richuroythomas470]

Hagerty seems to be on the right track. Real car people, those guys.

[@allensaunders449]

Old line car journalist? Feel the pressure of the new wave. You are right they didn't adapt. They feel threatened to bad on them so they lash out

[@d2ygn]

When i plan to buy a car, I value the feedback and opinion of an owner, 100 times more than a journalist. Always have been this way. With KZbin, this owner feedback gained so much more relevance, and brands need to understand this: if you sell a good product, it will not be a McLaren ad that will make you choose it over a Porsche or a Ferrari. It's the personal feedbacks. Journalists won't talk about car reliability, and costumer care experience with the brand. Auto manufacturers need to understand this.

[@RobertMitchell]

Yep, that’s why we need a good mix of both

[@duileyah]

Couldn’t agree more! An owner’s opinion is the only relevant opinion for someone who is actually planning to buy. I learned that the hard way with the 570S. The Chris Harris test drive vid made me finally pull the trigger on that car. So only after becoming an owner myself did I realize that McLaren are fantastic cars when you don’t own them.

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

@@coryebeling535 so real world reliability doesn't matter to you. People testing in harsh conditions on video is why I chose my Tacoma over other options.

[@coryebeling535]

@@HAHA.GoodMeme I'll do background reading from the manufacturer on the product yes. Then go in and test drive the product myself and make my own opinion of it. Please note that this is exactly what KZbinrs or Automotive Journalists do before a review.

[@doug3011]

@@RobertMitchell I agree with this, if I was buying a car, a car journo's opinion help me identify what car I would like, but then I would search for an owners opinion to actually see what its like to live with.

[@TheCronan]

Best of both worlds: Harry Metcalfe. Tons of experience and insight, but indepent youtuber.

[@TheCronan]

Love Harris, Catchpole and Camisa aswell btw.

[@RobertMitchell]

Spot on

[@adamgreen7291]

Harry's Garage is the best youtube channel

[@thebuddhasector9493]

@@adamgreen7291 hands down along with carfection

[@stewlee2019]

He literally owned a hugely influential motoring magazine lol, he just happens to have a youtube channel.

[@Wooooosaaaaaa]

I think everyone has a place. Some guys wanna know what it’s like to just drive around central London. And some guys want to know what Chris Harris thinks of the car on the edge. Different audiences and sometimes they overlap.

[@machtschnell7452]

But some commentator's place remains firmly in their mom's basement.

[@Atombender]

That's mostly the difference between trust fund kids and self made millionaires.

[@sqlevolicious]

@@Atombender "self made millionaires", you mean early crypto investors that lucked out with daddy's financial backing.

[@08_swetsubhrasarkar86]

There are two faces to this coin. One of them is pure automotive content. As an example if we want to truly feel what a new car feels on the road, on the track, learn it's chassis dynamics etc etc we always turn up to channels like carfection, topgear's Chris Harris drives. Because we know for sure that this is the place to be. On the flip side there are entertainment channels where we gain no knowledge about the car but there the connection is more with the creator. So we start to feel for them. We get excited about what new car that particular channel is bringing. What new collabs they are doing. It's pure entertainment. So I say, we need both.

[@RobertMitchell]

You’re absolutely right, and that was my point on this video as well

[@josephmckenzie7235]

Very well put!! I ain’t looking for technical info or what a 720 is like on a racetrack from DDE. The same as I’m not looking for Chris Harris to “build” a 720 gtr.

[@motojojo_]

Experience matters. Integrity matters. In both traditional press and on KZbin it's not easy to find those who have both.

[@RobertMitchell]

Yes, this can be a challenge

[@md8703-t5d]

Ive experienced a GT2RS MR because of an owner with a KZbin channel. Thanks Robert👍

[@CarCoachReports]

You are correct. As a KZbinr, racer, engineer and auto journalist you call in out accurately. Drive the car the way the owner would use it. Thank you! This is the new way to educate, inform and entertain. Keep up the good work! Lauren Fix- Ford GT owner and car junkie

[@RobertMitchell]

Hey thanks for the kind comments :-) that's the aim!

[@gerasimoskardaras1319]

KZbin is the future maybe the journalists should start a channel in order to present the cars the way they like.

[@RobertMitchell]

Exactly what I think

[@MichaelSmith-kr9qw]

@@RobertMitchell Well we saw what MotorBlahBlah Trend tried it few years ago and they decided to go pay per view.. I remember as a kid reading the articles on cars in their publications because they were informative and great reading but that was 30 years ago

to count cup holders?

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

We need the car enthusiast KZbin community to up their game. I think Tim has done an amazing job at pioneering this segment. He has evolved with the help of the Apex team to learn to drive at the limit so his shared experience counts for something above the average. Most however are falling into a formula. Spec it, take delivery, wrap it, put on an obnoxious exhaust pipe and then sell it.

[@RobertMitchell]

You hit the nail on the head!

[@thonoe1]

For me it’s the more traditional journo’s that now do KZbin like Catchpole, Harris and Sutcliffe that really do it for me. Their experience and capabilities makes me appreciate their opinion more. When they say something is good to drive I trust that it is. I suspect that it is also that they have driven so many cars up to their limit when the press people weren’t looking and got away with it because they feel more independent. Hard to know if they are but they manage bring across the context and skill which is love

[@RobertMitchell]

I don’t have many examples where I’ve gotten in cars that they praised and found them to be terrible. The same goes in the other direction

[@thonoe1]

@@RobertMitchell in terms of skill and context the same goes for you I feel. So I understand that happening especially when it comes to handling and driving dynamic

[@Mr.Reality3000]

Old motor journalists are dead, but most of them doesn't know it... very good video Robert, thank you. Dougdemuro talked about this specific topic months ago with the same idea you have. Here in Spain we have PowerArt with Guillermo García Alfonsin, a technical journalist that surely know what is the drivers feeling you mention, and the possible upgrades a car will need for more performance.

[@KarlBrauerCars]

Great perspective. As a 27-year automotive journalist, that's also owned two Ford GTs (2005 and 2019), plus a 911 Carrera S and a Dodge Demon (and about 30 older performance cars), I've experienced both sides of this equation,. Your description of the benefits, and liabilities, coming from both sides is dead on.

[@Tarv1]

There's plenty room for both, for journalists you can learn more nuances of car as far as performance, but for the youtubers you get to learn what is live with certain cars day to day over a time , the care and maintenance of owning these various vehicles whether interested or not in future purchases

[@briandeaton3550]

Last year when buying a new car, I used reviews on KZbin almost exclusively. I can't remember the last time that I used an online or print publication. I'm also old.

[@RobertMitchell]

Wonderful feedback

[@paulmartin3372]

KZbin sold me my GR4

[@michaelluttmer2486]

KZbin sold me on getting a Supra along with owners. Love the car but what's interesting was that it didn't go as in depth into things that I now care about with the car, like storage space (there is very little and what is there is useless).

[@gunnarmikalpettersen4575]

This Channel with Robert is pure class. As someone else said, if Robert was a Teacher at school, i would love school :)

[@RobertMitchell]

Thanks for the kind words Gunnar, and I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying the channel :-)

[@picrureperfect8476]

I think more owners can relate to a review stating how a mclaren feels when driving it around town than how it feels when pushed to its limits. The fact is that most super cars are either never driven or occasionally driven around town or on a backroad on a Sunday, it’s the smallest percentage of owners who actually push those cars, so a KZbinr reviewing the car on those details speaks to a far larger customer base than a “professional” talking about how “the chassis reacts” or whatever that gibberish means.

[@thomasxbl]

I agree, the Nurburgring bubble on this channel is a good place to be, but it's also mighty irrelevant to most buyers. Since that is rather sad, there is always the chance that someone who appreciates cars will start to appreciate proper driving because of channels like this one.

[@josephmckenzie7235]

Great point. But having both available for a potential buyer to see gives that buyer a more complete picture of the car overall. So I think their both important and relevant.

[@andyjones5192]

There’s a lot of KZbinrs doing „reviews“ of cars . The reviews of the old „EVO Magazine Crew“ are the ones you’re waiting for...😎

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

My friend works in influencer marketing, you are like the ideal type of influencer lol. Not sold out so when we have you review a product, we know the feedback is genuine and so do your fans, so your positive feedback sticks with your fans. The McLaren marketing division seems to not fully grasp influencer marketing which is really surprising given how many cars they produce - they want to be the everyman supercar but they have not nailed the everyman marketing.

[@MadhavMaru]

Honestly Robert, your videos make my day, espcially in these times being stuck at home (WFH life). Eagerly wait for your almost daily uploads. Best wishes to you

[@RobertMitchell]

Thank you for the kind words, glad to hear you’re getting something out of the videos, it’s a strange time right now.

[@MadhavMaru]

Thank you for the reply@@RobertMitchell, I've dropped you a line on Instagram DM

[@superdrummer3578]

100% agree with you on all points, we need both and nobody should be hiding the faults of a product out of fear of the manufacturer's reaction.

[@AwkwardYet]

You talked about the GT3 suspension. But most of that requires driving the car in an unsafe manner, which is not going to happen on the road. Most owners arent tracking these cars so it makes sense to not be able to talk about the geometry of how the chassis handles

[@scottt.4596]

Another great, incredibly informative and entertaining video, Robert. Dear automobile manufacturer, Robert is right on the money in his feedback. I’ve been both a car superfreak and magazine superfreak over the past 40+ years. I’ve owned a dozen or so new cars, typically hot hatches. Up until a decade ago I purchased five to ten car magazines a month, both European and U.S. magazines. Times have changed dramatically. I haven’t purchased a car magazines in years. I get all of my automotive content on KZbin. KZbinrs sold me my current car, a Civic Type R, and will most definitely sell me my next car, quite possibly the new Golf 8 R. I can only wish that the Robert/Misha/Team Apex would start to do reviews of less expensive enthusiasts cars in addition to the exotics because I value and trust their opinions. Please keep the videos coming Team Apex! Thanks!

[@aussieausdeutschland4245]

When Mischa took your MaClaren to Italy a couple of years ago and his opinion on it with how he felt about it with his back ect was probably one of the best Non Journalist reviews I've watched.

[@schmatfpv8964]

Hit that Like button after 2 Seconds in the Video 👌🚀 why ?? Because........ ❤️

[@RobertMitchell]

Cause u Rock

[@guywheeler4225]

I think this was your best video to date. You sit in a rare space of being so passionate for the driving experience, capable of attaining this halo vehicles, knowing how to drive them to their limit, and then understanding all the major stakeholders involved in this massive industry. I'm grateful that a voice like this exists in this space. I really can't see how anybody on either side of the argument could invalidate what you've just said.

[@assassinspokemon]

The best way to have a productive discussion that challenges the status quo is not to divide in 2 separate siloes (youtubers vs journalists), but to present all the grey area, nuances and caveats. That's the best way to make people re-evaluate their viewpoint and find common ground. And despite the title of the video, Robert did exactly that, and that's why the community that he build on this channel holds him in high regard. ps: Matt Farah is one of those independent journalists that I like. Even though he doesn't do much track driving (mostly canyons) he seems to convey in a funny and informative way, the nuances of the cars he drives. Would love to see you appear on his TST podcast one day!

[@matthiasstuder3916]

Nailed it. True and complete verdict on a car: Harris, Catchpole or Hohmeyer. Emotions: Davide Cironi. Nordschleife, a car on it’s edge, you, and Misha. But I guess there is space for everyone, depending if you’re into factual journalism or simple amusement. Keep it up Robert, humble content as always!

[@1998rok]

I was making my way as a journalist in past 3 years (I'm 22 at the moment) because all my childhood I wanted to do that exact thing, getting the reality of the new vehicles to audience. But as it is in the world right now I lost that job ... I miss true journalism now it's all too much in to inflencer who don't know much about cars that they are driving. You are the alternative, you've got money and place to test it and can tell how it is! I hope I'll get opportunity to go back to write for a magazine ...

[@RobertMitchell]

I really do wish you luck in getting back to what you love. Thank you for the comment and for being on the channel

[@1998rok]

@@RobertMitchell thanks and keep up the amazing work! 🙌🏼

[@RobertMitchell]

@@1998rok will do rok!!!

[@zoransudar2821]

My english is bad but i will try, make a comparison of your three mclaren, choose two or three or more turns in the ring and show us in your own way how different they are, braking point, speed of entering the turn, how the car behaves at that moment, exit speed etc. it’s amazing that you only mentioned two car journalists that I both watch and trust. You are practically the third and so continue with what you are doing and be even more so. Thank you❤

[@swypit]

Robert, I have a 2020 720s Spider. It has 8k on it, and I have had it for 13 months. Since I live in Dallas, I have driven it at COTA and it was amazing! I previously had a 2017 570GT. It had 12k on it when I traded it for the 720 Spider. Both cars had a few issues the first 500 or so miles. Both cars were fixed in a somewhat timely fashion. These are hand-built cars. Yes, there may be a few items to fix! Both times they gave me a loaner. Both cars were on tracks as a novice driver just out to have fun. I can afford to do that. I also go to a lot of car shows with other Mclaren owners. In my opinion this 720 Spider is the most amazing vehicle I have ever driven. People that can afford these cars have many cars. I do. But I can honestly say, both cars I couldn't wait to get back after being serviced. Both cars blew away my 911 and Amg. If someone is worried about losing money on a car. Don't buy a car. Most cars are going to depreciate. And that is true with most things anyone purchases. As a consumer when researching cars, I go to youtube to see many different points of view to make decisions. More people search youtube than Road & Track, Motortrend, or any other car magazine. I stopped my subscription to those lame publications probably 10 years ago. While the magazine people call themselves journalists, they are the last people I would go to for unbiased information about a car. Most everything they do is for the masses. If you drive or own an exotic car, then you are not wanting a point of view from someone that reports for the masses. I am sure they have thier opinion, but I need the opinion of many. Especially when it comes to 400k and up cars. Anyone in the marketing department at Mclaren should understand that people make decisions from emotion and data. You get that with video on youtube. In both your videos it seems like you are apologizing. Or trying to appease both sides. You do not have to apologize or appease anyone. When I did my radio show I never apologized or did anything to appease anyone. It was unbiased and real. As a 3-time bestselling author and someone that has been seen on ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX. Heed this advice below. Robert, you cannot fix stupid.

[@drifter1234100]

Spot on about depreciation. All of them depreciate, but McLaren is singled out unfairly. Ask Phi Harris what the Pista, he purchased for 377 thousand pounds, is listed for currently.

[@CarToneHK]

There are dumb youtubers and dumb journalists, difficult part is to find the good ones, obviously an owner such as yourself would know the car more just due to being exposed to the car longer, something magazine couldn’t replicate unless it’s a long termer sort of reviews. The people I tend to watch will always be those who don’t shy away from criticising and shows a keen enthusiasm into getting the truth out

[@RobertMitchell]

Very good points !!

[@B__L]

The thing is that "dumb" journalists generally don't make it to the top in the automotive world. Where as automotive KZbin is full of brats that care too much about image and not enough about the actual machine they're driving. Unfortunately in a place where a large amount of the audience is

[@hayashishark7378]

Very well said. You have to cherry pick what you follow

[@CarToneHK]

@@B__L Well said, couldn't have put it better myself

[@nicio666]

@@B__L "The thing is that "dumb" journalists generally don't make it to the top in the automotive world." Tbh I feel that the level of magazine articles is going downhill rapidly and in quite big steps for some (even praised/known magazines).

[@rjnation5042]

4am in Australia, okay Robert I'm going to start with you've got big brass one's for the last two videos, I am a car junkie 3rd generation pure bred, I watch U tube for the entertainment value of some of the things going on, I also watch guys like you & Micha for the technical information that you & others give, thanks, Rj in Oz

[@aussieausdeutschland4245]

I watched this vid after I got home from work

[@badroo]

I’m a journalist and I love this channel. Great well-reasoned take.

[@RobertMitchell]

thank you Andy

[@savmanousos5411]

Thanks for more mature dialogue. In a world becoming more polarized of for or against on every topic with nuisance and a place for a seen as a fudge it is refreshing that you bring the discussion. Agree or disagree doesn’t matter as much as the dialogue does : being curious and open to seeing different perspectives. You deserve way more subscribers given the quality of your sharing.

[@jayenn2481]

Many youtubers, including you, ARE in fact automotive journalists; you create content about automobiles - that's literally the epitome of what an automotive journalist is. The work you and all the other folks like tim misha etc do is appreciated by a vast group of people.👍

[@CarCoachReports]

Exactly! Well said!

[@RobertMitchell]

Hey Jay, I'm glad that you appreciate all the work that goes into this :-) much more to come I can promise you that! Have a great day.

[@The_Drive_Inside]

This is why you multiple opinions of various backgrounds... people aren’t dumb they can get a feel of the ones depth of knowledge. Relatable information is king to get through to people. Imo

[@sergiuilie6580]

The cars magazines went bankrupt!! And again,this is one of the most underrated car channel on KZbin

[@RobertMitchell]

Hey man thanks for the kind comments glad that you're enjoying the channel :-)

[@karlwilliams8208]

Robert, there’s an old saying: People hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest. Keep up the excellent videos 👍🏻

[@RobertMitchell]

Hey Karl thanks for watching exclamation isn't that correct haha :-)

[@raulouros7545]

I remember some Shmee early video where he went through all the buttons and functions of the cars and really liked that, at the time I didn't knew how to drive know that I do I appreciate a lot more when people talk about how the car drives performs and everything and love your tech talk videos too, we definitely need more content like this

[@Goxilla]

As a viewer and petrol head the best combination is a race driver who creates content. Chris Harris and Nico Rosberg coming to my mind. Being able to drive any machine to it´s limit and knowing what he or she is doing while describing it at the same time is the ultimate car review in my opinion. But I´m also good with someone who knows what he´s talking about and gets deep into details

[@BobbyChariot]

Valid point about some KZbin people for sure, but in recent years there's been a number of "car journos" who don't know how to pedal either, but are appointed due to celebrity status or recruitment for x demographic... Loving the work - keep on keeping it honest! PS nice spray tan package you got the other day there.! ;) Keep up the Tier One work!

[@Dan_AYP]

100% agree with the 3:50 on wards, and if your accepting a test drive with a manufactorer. You need to be able to articulate the experiance, the emotion and the feeling the car gives and portray it accuratly. Thats what makes a good, detailed and engaging review. The experiance of driving should be one thats center to all sports car reviews. being able to compare its feedback, grip and all the forces it gives you, is a key skill for any journalist. That comes with experiance both in articulating the experiance and being able to take full advantage of the experiance as a driver.

[@oomstu]

Hey Robert great vid thank you. Since there is almost no more Cars and Coffee going on would you consider putting a pot of coffee on the desk so we could have a socialy distant experience :P Cheers.

[@RobertMitchell]

Lol there’s one idea

[@EnFonde_6]

I fully agree with you. We need to have those journalist (Chris Harris, Henry Catchpole, Jason Camisa...) to have an analysis of the car, they have much more detailled analysis as most of the Youtbers that own hypercars that only use 20% of the car. But I also like content from owners that are sharing their experience as customer, owner, sharing experience with car and the cost of ownership, the reliability... The only problem I have is from KZbinrs that try to be journalist on supercars/hypercars without any particular skills, that is often ridiculous.

[@Pyotr_Velikiy]

No need to pick a side. Just cherry pick. Some journalists are bland, some KZbinrs are very knowledgeable, some journalists are great and some KZbinrs only care about their ego. That's life. I just keep returning to Misha and Robert for fun, truth and excitement. Tier1!

[@bartekb5074]

Thank for expanding your thoughts about 720S premiere. I believe there is a place for both KZbinrs and professionals. Not everybody will understand what double wishbone independent front suspensions is doing in their cars 😉

[@davidsmall7676]

Hmmmm. Stickier situation than anticipated. Thanks the clarification and concise round up. The part I enjoy with your talks are the understandable application of driving feel, technique, and experience to the enthusiast. I won’t speak for others but that is appreciated greatly by me.

[@benzinapaul7416]

Well said. Journalists are great at describing a car and giving an objective view, especially Harris, Catchpole, Meaden, Kacher, Bovingdon etc. What they don't cover is the ownership experience but then that isn't their remit.

[@stewlee2019]

I think the issue with content creators on KZbin is they're unregulated - they don't have editors curating the quality of their work, because being a KZbinr is not a "profession" in the sense that being a journalist is. You don't have to work your way up as a KZbinr in the same way you do being a journalist. So invariably the content KZbinrs put out is lacking in depth, as you say many/most of them have little to no expertise, and personally I respect the opinions of a professional journalist who's had to jump through the hoops of a career over that. It's nice that things are more democratic and that these kids in their 20s can set up KZbin channels etc., but it's no substitute for the opinion of a professional journalist.

[@d4rkside_europe564]

We need more Roberts with a KZbin channel, I think this sums it up.

[@zknarc]

People with FU money who can speak their mind

[@ErwinVervaet]

I like movies, have an opinion on them and I even own a few DVDs, but that doesn't make me the next Roger Ebert! ;-) Being an automotive journalist is job in its own right. A skill-set that needs to be honed over time with training, experience, feedback and so on. Just image how many cars people like Chris Harris or Dickie Meadon have driven over the last few decades!

[@711liljay]

It’s nice to have a journalists thoughts but for me it comes down to the get up and go, rolling starts to 130+ and stopping distances. I’m cars biggest fan and for that reason I’ll watch anything car related. Keep up the awesome work and I’ll take this opportunity to say thanks for keeping me entertained

[@glnknl2232]

Racing background with good accomplishments is a must for a automotive journalist. If you don't know how to drive fast and properly your opinion about dynamics isn't worth much. Nurburgring hotlaps by pro drivers are always good. Let the cars do the talking, Kevin Estre is my favourite ;)

[@RobertMitchell]

I agree, one should have a lot of experience before reviewing a car.

[@berzerkrobot]

Robert, great video - you hit the nail on the head. This whole video can be applied to all types of journalism, not just the automotive industry now. You Tube (and even media websites now) overall do not have the same caliber of staff or content of the old print days, and ironically the bulk of R&T, Car and Driver, Jalopniks "articles" are synoptic blogs with links about you tubers videos. We need both worlds.

[@swanblake]

Fully agree. I think many influencers get long term loaners which then become them bragging about the brand because they got a free car. Many aren't honest in fear of not getting free cars, ect. Robert you are honestly the only influencer that I dont find annoying and actually buys all the cars. Your input on how McLarens vs Ferrari vs Porsche hold up to track abuse is something no journalist could ever provide. Plus you are funny

[@forzer456]

Good to hear the other side which is a valid point. In my opinion I am also weary a bit on old school media when it comes to bring up true flaws in a cars with their inherent relationship with manufacturers but that can be said about some youtube videos as well. The best way to hear about cars is from the owners that are honest and objective.

[@TrakCar]

You would not believe how many setups and sets of tires it cost me to stop my .1 GT3RS from mid corner understeer. Mostly solved in the .2 GT3RS but man, now it’s going to be perfect.

[@RobertMitchell]

It's so satisfying when you get a car fully dialled in! Hopefully it works out very well for you :-)

[@YachtReport]

OWACs! That’s definitely me (when it comes to cars). I wish I could say that about superyachts!

[@RobertMitchell]

🤣🤣🤣 some day

[@briansteele2723]

Most of us are pretty good at applying a filter when looking at videos. For example we can watch a Carfection or Savage Geese video for long form reviews of a golfr then flick ovver to a kid in the uk who had the same car but points out something different, such as the lack of exhaust note and cheap upgrade options. Your own use case does help us to find out about the limits of cars but we would also probably look at more traditional or boring consumer review style reviews too if considering a purchase.

[@Peter-li1un]

A lot of journalists and their fanboys are very threatened in the comments by one simple trait... Robert's sincere honesty. Keep speaking the truth Robert, we'll stand by you.

[@AlexanderKarkelanov]

Personally for men there has always been a great distance between automotive journalists and the car fans.The journalists shows what is inportant for them.From the way of expression to the way of perceiving cars.Sometimes they are even a little arrogant and fragrant. The youtubers are more closer to the fan, more natural and shows exactly what fans are interested in.Of course, most cannot provide detailed technical data and do not have a huge basis for comparison - this often means misjudgment.The balance between the two is the golden mean - technical data and driving experiance. And let's not forget that car journalism has not changed for 30-40 years, and in the last 4-5 years things are different. They need to adapt and find the right place.

[@ioannisioannou7518]

What an excellent topic Robert! So in tune with our petrolhead times. I would piggy back and add just because one has ability to get into an exclusive platform doesn’t necessarily convey objectivity on their part. Quite the opposite. You’d think there’s overlap, because said ability would convey a desire to sample all the goods available but not necessarily. The old guard has the fundamentals down whereas some KZbinrs do not. The trick is to drive as MANY cars as possible, so you may form objective opinions and judge by comparison. Not just for cars of our era but going as far back in time as you can to think in the sense of vehicle evolution. I’d like you to talk about this stuff more in future posts. For example, what’s it like to compare the E30 vs E46, E90, F80 chassis, etc. The dynamics of a 997 rs or fully analog ride vs the 991.2 and 992. What about 70s car with no assists whatsoever? This is where real expertise comes in and that’s not always synonymous to access. Thanks!

[@RobertMitchell]

Hey man! That is really good input and you’re absolutely right anyone is going to be giving input needs to be as versatile as possible and as well rounded as possible. With that said I would love to do some comparisons with different models of different generations and things like that and it’s actually something that we have on the radar

[@ioannisioannou7518]

@@RobertMitchell The nice thing is if one knows what they are looking for, they can be a good judge of where they source their information from. Not here randomly, as your critical thinking and approach is frankly refreshing. That's my kind of echo chamber... And very much look forward to the comparisons :)

[@MozzarellaBasket]

Felt a huge urge to buy some Garnier spraytan suddenly

[@rhabeldibabeldi6812]

Can send you some, I have somehow bought a whole truckload of them but can't quite seem to remember why...?

[@dave_R_GR]

I fully agree with the statement "lack of expertise". There are many car KZbinrs, which only can read the brochure and give all the marketing BS which they've given by the manufacturer before. Can't take them seriously, that's why I do like videos from you, dragtimes etc. more.

[@juancho939]

It think this is a call to a mix out of both worlds. A KZbinr with racing experience and a way with words like a journalist to convey the feel of a car whilst still giving us the inside track on the ownership and client-brand relations.

[@richardsharman5483]

I think we have the best of all worlds here on KZbin. We obviously all take each channel over a range of it's output and then assign a level of trust in what we are seeing. I think the owner channels bring something to the table that we didn't use to get in the past. We now have drivers who have put real money down to own a particular car and the whole experience of owning a car is then potentially available for us to see depending on how much the channel decides to share.

[@mefisto7654321]

Hey man! I really like your honesty about this phenomenon. I’m recently looking for a Cupra, that I will use for road and track, because at the moment is the best cat I can afford that will do well both jobs. I used to ran my cars in timeattack and do some coaching also. I looked for some review videos on youtube and mostly they are made by guys that are not really using the car nor understand it as it should be, I think only 2 reviews I really liked and felt that the guy knows what he is talking about. One of them was when the guy stated that his heel and toe skill is not great and a DSG is preferable. (I remember the guy that crushed the GR Yaris). Anyway, I came across this video and I just wanted to say, great job! 👍

[@guypascua8848]

I've tried to write a comment 3 times but scraped it each time because the feelings you get from reading or watching are different. I can read about what the writer thinks, but I can physically watch the vloggers reaction. I'm an avid reader, but as I've watched more vlogs, in found its like holding a conversation instead of reading a monolog. Unfortunately, there are some vloggers that after a time, they are like actors who's lines are scripted and their expressions look fake. It becomes hard to determine if they're genuine. I can live vicariously through both, but sometimes seeing and hearing is better than just imagining. To much to write. I enjoy your vlogs for holding a conversation aspect while keeping the relationship honest and genuine. Thank You!

[@DanSallis]

I think this is a bit of a non-issue personally. In my opinion, most youtubers should take an approach where they shouldn't talk about things they don't know or (most importantly) aren't passionate about. Its the passion that is most important in my eyes, it allows the youtuber to create intriguing content whilst maintaining integrity on what they are talking about. I follow very few youtubers (with a few different video topics), and you can really tell the ones who are passionate about what they talk about, even if they are negatively reviewing something. EDIT: Yourself, Misha, Shmee, Harris are a few on my list I really believe are passionate, know what you are talking about and can give reviews properly.

[@AlpinaBG]

Yesterday you said it clearly well. We are in 2021 and the world is quite different than the one just 5 years ago, what about to say 10-15 years ago. Also with the youtubers it's much more clear who have some knowledge, experience, if the guy sweet talking, neglect or overstate brands and topics. The SSC Tuatara case is a great example - because of your experience, you guys managed to spot that issue, especially because we are in the video era. If it was like 15 years ago - all we gonna see will be 2-3 images in a magazine and we had to accept it as true story.

[@GeorgieSVK]

You know Rob I agree with everything you said... but one thing you cant do. Cars from the factory have to come with understeer and ,, bad alignment " for the safety reasons. Its neat when people understand the car as you. Influencers should give a true feedback and thats it. Not just hype every car to please the automakers. Its such a complicated problem. You said it right. Love your content your time and your honesty.

[@RobertMitchell]

You are 100% correct at the cars have to come with understeer however you can tell by driving a car which one As understeer and you can get rid of it versus which one has understeer and I will always be there. For example a GT two or a GT three RS has some understeer from the factory but once you set an alignment on it it’s one of the best. Most McLarens and the pista you will never get rid of it. Another thing that I suspect is when you go to an Event is supported by the factory you probably get an alignment that more suits your driving style. Or the driving style of the event

[@Tristan.R.J.M]

@@RobertMitchell did you record this using Siri? Curious

[@GeorgieSVK]

@@RobertMitchell Agreed ! But in this case you are not talking to the casuals I think. People have to realize who they want to trust. I watch you from the start and I knew you are good and honest... I know why and at the same time I dont :D I follow people that are thinking like me and make decisions I would make. Do what you do and the right people will find you. Like you said balance is everything.

[@godwindracing6056]

Since you gave them a roast, I can’t get away from BMW. They keep giving me M4 ads when I click onto your channel

[@randomtoyotadude8952]

All this info.. really sais: you know what your talking about.. in a humble way. Would love to have you, drive my car on the ring, then tell me what i should do to my car to improve the driving experience, like u said, sway bar, toe, spring rate ect... Love ur content and your humble personality

[@DougalR]

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head Robert. All people have their place on You tube and and as valid as each other. The problems start I feel is when the You tubers just start doing silly things for just for likes on Insta and using the cars as tools and not because they actually like them etc.

[@blraider9724]

With a few exceptions, I view KZbin content primarily as entertainment. The journalists give me the technical data while the influencer market generally shows how people actually use these cars while also giving some (although limited) perspective on usability, reliability and fun factor. I think its a great compliment to each other and a synergy that the auto industry should be thanking its lucky stars for, not looking down upon it. But that’s what you get when you take an antiquated business model run by the same group of industry retreads - the definition of insanity my friend. Keep up the great work!

[@lambrosstamos4494]

The A90 Supra case is spot on. You can easily be very enthusiastic about it. She is beautiful. But does it perform? No. You have to be knowledgeable to understand its flaws. That was a compliment, Robert. Personally, I respect drivers who one way or another are involved in racing. Mechanics, likewise. Rallying is my thing. That is why I love the little GR Yaris. And Jeremy Clarkson.

[@miloscalibra]

Worked in motoring journalism for 10 years… We need both sides. Experienced journalist can tell you (if they want or allowed to) what the car behavior and characteristic is from new. They can’t tell want will happened after some time and mileage. That is where tubers and owners come in, and they can share ownership experience.

[@sharg0]

I don't see a problem with either a traditional journalist or a sponsored KZbinr. What's important is what they declare. If it's labelled and/or performed as a neutral review it should be that. If it's a sponsored event to a fanboy showing off the latest model that's also ok as long as that's clearly communicated. If it's an in depth tech review we should be able to trust that the skills and knowledge is there to do that. (As far as I can tell these points are well fulfilled here which is why I like this channel.)

[@MarkBeezBlogs]

The great thing is that there’s a lot of interesting content from amateur to living legend. Too bad my old heroes never made it to KZbin. 1970’s German TV introduced me to Belgian F1 pilot Paul Frère. R&T introduced me to articles by US F1 World Champion Phil Hill and made me a Tifosi, Innes Ireland opened my eyes to so many facets of driving and Motorsport and Peter Egan showed me humor and funny if not sometimes frustrating side of car ownership. Henry Catchpole and Chris “drift monkey” Harris excited me with thrilling driving tales in the pages of EVO that they successfully translated to KZbin unfortunately my old heroes didn’t get that chance. MCM, late brake show, hoovies, Tavarish, Sarah n tuned, Tim Schrick, Broken Quattros, your Channel and Misha’s etc, etc there’s not enough hours! Great vid as always!

[@DavelyDriven]

We are all drivers with cameras now and we are all KZbinrs though, so things getting murky

[@RobertMitchell]

This is true

[@richardallsop5039]

Hello 'Robert' I think your spot-on, there needs to be a true mix of Auto Jounalists AND KZbinr's AND Owners plus a combination of the three, no one group gives a true REVEIW. Regards, RichardA.

[@theroadblog2858]

Hi Robert I love the way you are being honest, as well as I enjoy Journalist like the mentioned, as well as "Harry's Garage" and "tyrrell's classic workshop" Harris' feud with the Horse brand was an enjoyful trip to follow as well. Stick to quality and honesty. Thats is always worth a good conversation and look, rather than. "This car is awesome, look at me in this video"

[@jayfxdx]

I'm just a casual fan of the automotive world, I drive a pick-up truck, but I love the entertainment factor of well made content. For this I look to the Harrys, Chris, Matt and a couple other niche channels like Ratarossa and Tavarish. Car owners with a camera I find boring in general, as I find a board spectrum of automobiles interesting and not just the latest and greatest. I became of a fan of this channel because I want to learn more about car set up, suspension and the Ring itself, I'll never have a practical use for this knowledge, I just find it way more interesting than conventional TV/movies.

[@Mandurath]

Well said. I've always felt that way about when car reviewer's talk about trucks. Without testing it under load or pulling a load. Talking about off road ability, when never seeing anything beyond a gravel road. And luxury cars... If they talk about how it does on the track I stop reading/watching/listening.

[@MrSeanman30]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The only thing I would say that the youtubers who haven't driven every car on the market or even race cars, a lot of their reactions seem way more "real". When a bunch of the youtubers were reviewing the 720s, they were literally scared of how fast it was! Where a lot or the reviewers that have driven everything know what they are talking about but a lot seem fake. Because they have driven so many crazy vehicles nothing really excites them unless they get to drive Formula 1 cars. Yes many of the KZbinrs are scared to push it, don't really have much of a background and are saying things based off of bad experiences they had in the past which isn't true now.

[@MrSeanman30]

You mentioned most of what i said. But then I always come back to the question like it all about how you as a single person feel driving the car. What is a super fast Nurburgring time going to do for 99% of supercar drivers that aren't even racing the car? It's not a racecar, driving experience on the road may be shit because it's setup for the track when it's not able to be in any race series across the world. Unless it's at the manufacturers own tracks events like the Ferrari XX program, same with McLaren, Lamborghini, Porsche etc. And now we have electric cars closing the gap too fast to where most cars will all have the capacity run sub 2 second 0-60, 9s in the quarter mile etc.

[@taforth]

I agree with your perspective! This has been an ongoing struggle for some time now, with other than Chris Harris Ferrari run-in, the issue really hasn’t come up in an official manner until now. BTW, thanks for mentioning your thoughts on the new wishbone suspension on the 992 GT3 that I had asked you in your last video 👍

[@captain_context9991]

Shmee150, Seen Through Glass, Supercars of London, Seb Delaney, those boys started out right as TopGear lost its... Almost monopoly and authority on cars. Then MrJWW, and along came some crazy dude called Boosted Boris, and even you guys are now riding the wave. Filling the empty gap that used to be TopGear. The craving for insight and knowledge of things that are usually unobtainable for most... Yes, shockingly, most of your viewers arent going to buy one. The guys I trust most to get in front of a camera and tell us how things work, are indeed Chris Harris and Henry Catchpole. There are others too. But they spring to mind instantly. IMAGINE... The times when we had to wait for the next season of TopGear on TV to see any information on a Lamborghini that came out like... Last year. And BBC didnt give them enough episodes in a season to cover even half the cool cars. Its not that long ago.

[@PixelVogue]

Only problem there is Top Gear is now SHIT! Chris Harris was decent when he had is own KZbin channel, BBC got him and he turned into a Clarkson wannabee with the other 2 morons. I'd rather watch MrJWW, Harrys Garage instead at least they talk about the car in a way a proper car enthusiast wants to know about.

[@captain_context9991]

@@PixelVogue Yes, TopGear never recovered as the Nr1 authority on cars. Not for lack of trying. Christ, they went out with an insanely expensive cast. And total disaster Chris Evans. It looked like Matt LeBlanc was restraining himself not to punch him in his smirky face. What were they thinking. So yeah. I guess we totally agree. My point was merely that all these KZbin channels are benefiting from the fall of TopGear that left a huge, gaping hole in the market. But american KZbinrs, I feel... Are more about showing expensive things than they are about content. Its a strange, very different culture. Car criticism is a very new concept over there. Its as if everything has to be positivity. Hence why literally all the criticism of the SSC, for example, came from over on this side of the ocean.

[@PixelVogue]

​@@captain_context9991 Yeah the americas love to show off and have 27 adverts running trying to sell you something. But the brits want to do the same these days as thats what its all about, clicks, views and subs!

[@captain_context9991]

@@PixelVogue Well... They have to make money somehow. The Brits actually have road trips, factory content, Nurburgring runs, track days... They DO things. Its not just about showing expensive things to an increasingly impoverished population, the way it seems to be with american KZbinrs. I miss the olden days when Shmee, SOL, and Sam went to visit Seb in Monaco and did fun stuff. I had never seen that part of Monaco before.

[@santiagovillar7935]

This has been the most well spoken/eloquent video I’ve seen in months here on youtube. Very valid points and a really interesting perspective on the topic.

[@steve5x565]

Some really good ‘journalism’ right there. There is nothing better than someone who knows what they are talking about, telling the truth and the whole truth. Some ‘KZbin’ car guys/girls don’t tell the whole truth because they would lose access to the cars they make their content about. This makes them terrible automotive reviewers, it doesn’t necessarily mean their content isn’t valuable, it’s just entertainment rather informative. KZbin is a strange place, you can find automotive content suitable for everyone. We have channels like this, where it’s adult driving enthusiast, thoughtful style content, or channels from a young guy in Utah where it’s childish silly entertainment and lot more styles as well. There is something for everyone, but not all the right channels get access to the right cars. Probably because the manufacturers go with how many ‘subs and views’ rather than the value to them of the content. This is Tier 1 content, but unlikely to be seen as Tier 1 by the manufacturers (too honest).

[@RobertMitchell]

You are spot on about the different types and even more so about the fact that I don’t think manufacturers KZbinrs or Journalists like this line of thought LOL

[@Tracertme]

So well said the challenges and opportunities are what most people from any side of the car industry are still struggling with, be it traditional journalist, to You Tuber influencer which car manufacturers are trying to influence their output, so they get subsequent press release invites and those who are what I call real car enthusiasts who just talk cars at any level and its open and it's honest, which incidentally doesn't need to mean its right, its just a point of view based on a level of personal experience. From my point of view I gave up watching most You Tubers when the novelty wore off, now I am back to the evaluations I like to hear about and the only players who will survive are those who understand the digitised economies. It's just another business for journalists or You Tubers or You Tube themselves... where money is involved their is seldom honesty or transparency. A blend of listening and participation is what is most likely to give any individual a reasonable perspective of any given topic, that hasn't changed. Social media has just magnified the transparency for all aspects be they good or bad outcomes.

[@scottt.4596]

Seriously, you and Misha need to consider creating content around car reviews. You are both well spoken, mature, believable, trustworthy, well respected AND you have a track in your backyard!!! What other ‘journalists’ have free access to a track daily? More importantly, you have other pro drivers in your neighborhood that you could add another interesting perspective to your review/content. DO IT! ...And thank me later with a tour :)

[@crabapple1974]

Very relevant talk. The most important thing is transparency and honesty. That makes me trust what the content-provider says. Companies need to also understand that we customers don’t want to be lied to contantly That we are able to form balanced opinions and are not a mindless herd of sheep that can be ruthlessly exploited and tricked into buying stuff. I get so annoyed with that marketing mentality. A company should respect me as a customer if I am to respect them or their product. There is a dangerous trend of companies going after content providers that are trying to be open. It is ok for them to respond to criticism which they deem unfair ofc. But with an open transparent dialogue and not legal accusations and exclusion.

[@adamciampa8697]

Glad someone said it! There is a place for KZbinrs or owners with cameras, however you are exactly right. A motoring journalist will provide objective insights to how a car feels rather than yell and scream when they get close to redline. I also feel that some KZbinrs will point out a negative of a car for the sake of appearing objective without truly understand what the car is doing. Great that you’re talking about it! Love Catchpole and Harris, they’ll always have a place in the world of cars.

[@adamciampa8697]

Really, to summarise... if I want to be entertained, I’ll watch a KZbinrs channel. If I want to consider buying a car, I’ll listen to the opinion of motoring journalists whom I respect. Sums it up really.

[@PropDeskJunkie]

+1 for Henry Catchpole! And of course you and Misha. Love your transparency.

[@RobertMitchell]

Thanks man :-)

[@iceninja46]

The problem i have with KZbinrs/owner with a cam is that as soon as the new car comes out, all they want to do is change the car with spacers , lowering kits etc. They think a loud exhaust is the best thing ever....

[@ariesstage2188]

What needs to happen is a professional driver and a youtuber combined to see both perspectives on the road sharing bits for each output. Motortrend uses Randy. Collaboration is the future........ thats why your channel is expanding! Integrity is key 🔑. I appreciate this level of content.... outside the box with grace and professionalism. Great-er things ahead for you and your colleagues. Lets stop the pandering lol 😆 Great stuff!

[@turboterry1776]

thank you for being honest we need way more of this in the car community 👌🏽👌🏽💯

[@RobertMitchell]

More to come!