Autopsy doctor describes victims' injuries | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial

[@hawksnest7527]

These poor girls. Rest in peace Abby and Libby ❤

[@MLG88726]

Oh my goodness. These girls… my heart is just broken.

[@timothyfreeseha4056]

I cannot imagine the kind strenth of character it would take to view those photos and hear those descriptions. Those poor families and friends who have had to endure this process.

[@nemonucliosis]

There are NPCs who are angry they cant view the photos.

[@suzannebrady6201]

Absolutely horrifying!!

[@MrBetc]

My heart breaks for all those that had to see those pics of those poor innocent girls. Justice for Abby and Libby💔❤️💔

[@sissy9393]

Me too. I bet they’re going to have some ptsd after this. Some if not all.

[@inmydarkesthour2278]

So they weren't shot? I can't believe they did this and 5 to 10 minutes that is a long time...truly horrible

[@Erica-et2bn]

So sad these innocent girls suffered and were murdered for no reasons now they are gone forever

[@carolineburton5934]

For some reason, this case has resonated with me for so long. My heart breaks for their families.

[@hannahmadrid3599]

Same here. I have thought about it many, many, many times over the years

[@carolineburton5934]

@@hannahmadrid3599 isn’t that wild? And the other case that has always resonated with me is Shanann Watts and her precious babies 😔😔

[@Laura-tp8wz]

RIP Abby and Libby 🌺💐

[@birgitraya4909]

These poor girls.😢 praying for the family

[@heathernikki5734]

Just out for a walk and this THING decided to do all this to them!! Put him UNDER the prison!

[@goose33]

Did you ever hear of innocent until proven guilty or no?

[@Digitalgems9000]

@@goose33 don't defend RA

[@temporarilyimmortal795]

​@@goose33The presumption of innocence, as a constitutional right, only limits the government's course of action. There's no protection from the court of public opinion.

[@JL-zn7me]

I find it hard to believe Libby and Abby didn’t fight. They were obviously in a state of pure terror… but if one saw the other “harmed” (understatement out of respect)”… I believe the other fought or tried to run. These were brave girls. In my opinion, there were 2 or more waiting down the hill. I will never forget these young girls…😰

[@noodles5004]

Fight or flight. The utter shock that would have kicked in when the attack started and these two girls were best friends I don't see either of them leaving each other especially if one was being actively harmed. They were very brave girls and smart. Hearing it could have taken up to 10 minutes to pass from the wounds made my heart drop. The horror these girls experienced. 😩

[@purawesomeness78]

I totally agree def more than one person and they know this. Remember when they announced charges and what they said. I believe they controlled one by having control and the threat of harm to the other.

[@heathernikki5734]

They were little girls, what could they have done? There’s been several men kidnap two teen girls at one time, for decades now.

[@JL-zn7me]

noodles5004- i know, 5-10 minutes… those words made me feel so sick inside. They didn’t deserve any of this. 😰

[@RetiredRN68]

He was using a gun.....one man.....yes it scared them from running.​@@purawesomeness78

[@taviajohnson9328]

This man on the bridge is shortish and stubby.... Nothing tall about him. The video made him seem taller but if u have good vision you can see what his height is

[@rigorousrangel6394]

RA is a short man, could that witness not tell if the man she saw was a short man or a tall man? That should be an obvious distinction, even if she drove pass him at 35mph she did it at 3 feet distance.

[@44LillPuffin]

I don't think I would be able to determine a person's height when I'm sitting down driving and there aren't any other people round the person to judge. I also think that the vast majority of people are only going to remember someone if they have had to take a second look because something stood out.

[@1ulove2hate]

Everything points at them having the wrong men.

[@lyndseyb4852]

@@44LillPuffinreally, imo, I think being a lot shorter than average is something that stands out in a man, the same as seeing a much taller woman, it's notable, just like red hair, it's not common. Also saying it would be hard to tell this being sat down in a car I don't think it matters, it's about proportions, emphasized by the standard fit.of clothing, unless.custome made i guess.

[@44LillPuffin]

@@lyndseyb4852 I said I don't think I would be able to. I didn't say I dint think anyone would be able to. Sitting down, driving, no other people around for comparisons to be made if someone is shorter or taller than other people. The only distinguishing marks being that he was dirty since he didn't have red hair, or one leg and probably too far away amd moving too quick to make out any facial features out. Not only that, but you might never have even seen him in your memory at all if it had been you. Watch a video on what people remember passing by others. None of these people knew two little girls had just been murdered. So it would have been like walking by any person. Can you remember a single person you've walked by today? In all honestly?

[@erikaleonard2848]

🥺💔💔💔🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@CriminalNetwork]

The 61 confessions don’t even make sense, especially because none of them are consistent or reflect what really happened. At first glance, it may seem like someone who confesses 61 times must be guilty. But if Richard Allen didn’t confess during his initial interrogation by Lt. Holeman, why would he confess 61 times later, while in prison? It’s clear that, by both law enforcement and inmates, he’s considered public enemy #1. Richard Allen had been diagnosed with depression and anxiety and was prescribed medication for many years. However, unless specifically requested, Haldol should never have been prescribed to him, as it’s a powerful antipsychotic, not an antidepressant. The confessions can be easily explained: Richard Allen likely experienced a drug-induced psychotic episode. The combination of bright lights 24/7, possible drugging with meth in his food, sleep deprivation, weight loss, and being given Haldol could explain the mental breakdown. Such episodes are similar to blackouts caused by extreme intoxication, lasting days or even months. Richard Allen wasn’t eating feces when he worked at CVS-his treatment in prison broke him. He had no prior criminal history, was married for 30 years, and had been a hard-working man. Thrown into prison while awaiting trial, he became a completely different person. If that doesn’t raise questions, things get even stranger. During the search of Allen's home, Homicide Detective and Sheriff-elect Tony Liggett did not wear a bodycam, despite this being standard practice in 2022. Liggett secured the probable cause affidavit (PCA) for the search warrant by deliberately lying and omitting key information, which was signed off by Judge Diener. Interestingly, Judge Diener later recused himself from the case and resigned. The search is critical because it’s when Liggett found the gun that has now become a pivotal piece of evidence in the investigation. Liggett made the initial arrest and was also responsible for transporting Richard Allen. It was Liggett who decided Allen should be housed at Westville Prison instead of the county jail "for his safety"-despite Allen nearly being killed there. Liggett had previously worked as a correctional officer at Westville, where many high-ranking guards wore patches associated with "Hailing Odin" until they were asked to remove them. Liggett, who had been trailing in the race for Carroll County Sheriff, won the election just 20 days after arresting Richard Allen. Liggett even threw fellow officer Dan Dulin under the bus. Dulin wanted to speak up, but Liggett altered the tip narrative to make it seem like Dulin had mishandled it. It wasn’t Dulin who received the tip from Richard Allen in 2017-it was a conservation officer. Richard Allen had called his friend and conservation officer, Thomas Skinner, who tragically passed away in 2021. Liggett used this to his advantage, placing blame on Dulin. Dulin claimed he always recorded interviews, yet on this crucial day, there was no recording? The tip had been missing for over five years and conveniently reappeared. Dulin, who stood on stage at the very first Delphi press conference, couldn’t remember something this significant? Either he’s not very bright, or Liggett is lying-again. Rest in peace, Thomas Skinner, and thank you for your service. According to those who were in the courtroom, the 12 jurors are sharp, paying close attention, and even asking questions. Judge Gull and Prosecutor Nick McLeland, who are the second judge and prosecutor on the case, appear to be pushing hard for a conviction. However, these jurors won’t be bullied by the court. Despite the judge ruling that third-party suspects, Odinism, Asatru, or any cult-like elements cannot be mentioned, key facts remain: the so-called “magic bullet,” the problematic chain of custody, and the confessions mean little once you hear that the fingerprints and DNA collected at the crime scene do not match Richard Allen. The state doesn’t know who the foreign DNA belongs to. In 2024, jurors expect definitive evidence to convict someone of double murder, and nothing is more powerful in court than DNA. So how much longer will this kangaroo court continue? In recent history, there hasn’t been such a public push for the innocence of a suspected child killer-or anyone, for that matter. It’s blatantly obvious that Richard Allen is harmless. At 5'4" and shackled from his feet to his waist and wrists in a lockbox, he looks more like a small, broken man than a dangerous criminal-far from Hannibal Lecter. He has no prior criminal history, was married for decades, and worked hard. They picked him as an easy target, a patsy. Law enforcement got rid of many leads pointing to third-party suspects, but they didn’t erase everything. Had Liggett not arrested Allen, this case might have continued drifting unsolved. People often ask what it would take to cover up something this big, and the answer is simple: exactly what’s happening right now. The "good ol' boys" network has been operating this way for so long that they never expected the whole world to be watching now. Law enforcement shined a huge spotlight on Delphi when they asked for public help, as even 25 state and federal agencies couldn’t solve the case. But what really happened? I won’t go into detail just yet, but the case was solved on February 14, 2017-solved but never revealed to the public. It’s been set to fade away with time. Here’s why: Law enforcement diversion 101. The murders and crime scene were under the bridge, down the creek, where the brutal murders and crime scene staging took place. Law enforcement wants us focused on the bridge and the trail. How were the girls murdered? "We can’t answer that-but look at the suspect's photo." What weapon was used? "We can’t say, but notice the sketch." Were the victims sexually assaulted? "We can’t say, but examine how the suspect walks." In the courtroom, many-including Lawyer Lee-said they never heard the infamous "down the hill" phrase. There was no additional video. If "down the hill" wasn’t there, where did it come from? If it was added later, it means nothing. This raises more doubts about how much the media and public were misled by law enforcement, using the names of two innocent girls for some other purpose-financial gain or political advantage. It’s also unsettling to learn that Libby’s phone was returned to her family after her death, and a picture of her casket was taken before the phone was handed back to law enforcement. The family’s behavior has been questionable since the murders. They’ve held fundraisers, traveled from Dr. Phil to Megyn Kelly, and even built a $1M memorial baseball diamond in their honor. But it’s not Libby or Abby’s parents leading this-it’s the grandparents, Becky and Mike Patty, who have become the public face of the victims. They even started a petition to block the release of Richard Allen’s PCA, gathering 45,000 signatures. But why? Why wouldn’t the family of the girls want the PCA released if it contained key evidence? This whole situation becomes even more confusing when considering that Abigail’s mother, Anna Williams, and Liberty’s parents, Carrie Timmons and Derrick German, are barely ever mentioned. Carrie told me personally that she was shunned by the family after Libby’s death, not because of unfit parenting but due to personal conflicts and Carrie being unfaithful while Derrick ran the streets, using and selling Meth. Carrie is Libby’s true mother, and the public focus should be on the actual parents of the victims, not others who seem to be profiting from the tragedy. written by: alexander zabel jr. justiceforjonbenetramsey.blogspot.com/2023/09/delphi-murders-libby-abby.html

[@tinadailey3934]

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@skinovtheperineum1208]

Video evidence is more powerful in court than dna. If this is indeed a setup and Mr. Allen is the patsy, why did your Odinists get so sloppy? Maybe the girls were lured there electronically and the family doesn't want it known that their daughters either could fall for some catfish scam or that they were that eager to meet boys. Perhaps that is why the family doesn't want the PCA made public. Law enforcement doesn't want us focused on anything. Law enforcement doesn't give two shits whether the courtroom and 6 o'clock news is packed or empty. All they want is justice. All these diversions - meth this and unfaithful that and baseball diamond, come ON. Let's let your wide awake jury hear what both sides have to say and make their judgment. If it comes out that Odin and his boys did this and that Richard Allen had no part in it, I will eat this computer monitor.

[@RetiredRN68]

People like you are what confuses people and ruins the process. In one of his confessions he stated something about the crime that was NEVER leaked to the public, something only the killer would know. Stop with all the conspiracies about politics and other killers. They have the right person.

[@skinovtheperineum1208]

@@RetiredRN68 - That sounds good. The problem is that you are not saying what that 'something' was. My guess is that it was a repetition of one of the searchers who found them and blabbed to their bestie who then blabbed to his bestie who then

[@Plumbing.repairs]

I just would like to say, ANY witness that gets caught lying even on the smallest detail should automatically get the same exact sentence as the delphi killer receives. No exceptions. Lies can ruin and steer a case in a wrong direction, therefore they shall be charged with tampering of evidence and accessory to murder.

[@idahardy4052]

Did the FBi get involved at all?

[@samanthab1923]

How did he control both of them while killing one? No SA? I thought they were found without clothing on?

[@tinadailey3934]

😢😢😢 Libby didn't have clothes on Abby did

[@samanthab1923]

@@tinadailey3934 Thank you

[@RetiredRN68]

He was controlling them with a gun.....they were just terrified children.

[@user-bo2xc8qc9m]

I was curious if they were raped, then their would be DNA. But they are saying no rape so why was 1 girl nude & the other dressed in some of the other girls clothing?

[@tinadailey3934]

😮😮😮😮😮I find that bizarre also, an why was the cuts on Libby more intense and she had five large gapping wounds an Abby had one two inch cut on her left side of her neck. Doesn't make sense to me, also what motivated the killer?? He just saw these kids an all of a sudden thought hey I'm killing those little girls?? Very bizarre 😢

[@nemonucliosis]

​@@tinadailey3934it doenst need to make sense to you or anyone. Maybe the killer decided to be more violent with one than the other simply just cause. Not everything has to have logic or reason.

[@Erica-et2bn]

Humans are this earths downfall not saying all but most!!!!

[@Tracy-rf7ri]

True

[@JoJo-vz5uy]

How come she didn’t noticed the guys soaking wet jeans!?? Blue jeans wet - that’s something you see right away. He did cross a deep creek…

[@RetiredRN68]

Their throats were cut.....the blood would have been spurting.....not necessarily in the direction to "cover" his clothes. Sometimes it spurts in a line.....stop thinking in terms of Hollywood movie scene.....they are very gory and unrealistic.

[@emmatinsley9364]

You guys are bias for the defense especially the analyst

[@Tracy-rf7ri]

Allen Tick Tock

[@mizteek5024]

RA is 5ft 4in yet bridge guy was 5ft 6, so how is the man in the video RA? This whole case has been a mess from the start. Its been full of secrets and lies. Im not sure the families will ever get justice. Theres a rotten underbelly to this case.

[@StuffedBearSus]

This case is about to be blown wide open …the jury is aware … the prosecution is on the ropes ..and the defense hasn’t even started yet really

[@heathernikki5734]

@@StuffedBearSus😂😂😂😂

[@heathernikki5734]

2 inches makes no difference! It’s clearly him! 5’4” looks a whole lot like 5’6”!

[@mizteek5024]

@@heathernikki5734 There's nothing clear about that pic, it could be anybody.

[@j.p5666]

I'm 5'5 and with my work boots on I'm about 5.6 5.6 1/2 so it could be that

[@jacksprat9972]

The guy doing this video needs to be careful in Dephi....he could be the next random sucker charged with murder after Richard Allen is found not guilty.

[@Tracy-rf7ri]

Lol ya right.....

[@goose33]

Imagine thinking richard allen did this lol

[@Digitalgems9000]

take your meds

[@Plumbing.repairs]

Enlighten us on who did it then since you seem to know more then the detectives know. Do i need to report you to the police?

[@white_genocide2050]

Did you not see the video? Of him on the bridge? Without that video he would have been inoccent

[@nemonucliosis]

Better yet imagine thinking this is an odinist human sacrifice ritual cover up and RA is framed

[@goose33]

@@white_genocide2050 fuck I don't even want to argue with you since your name is factually correct of what's happening That's not even him in the video "Eye of apophis " on youtube will open your eyes