The Ford 351 Cleveland Engine

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I really enjoyed this Jeff. 🏁. Sorry about the video. I need to ck this out and rerun. I appreciate the collaboration. Now I saw the filled 4V heads, adjustable valve train. Easy 500 hp. Thanks Jeff, And all the guys that watched it. Appreciate you 🇺🇸👍👍

[@rossgirdeen3247]

Gonna run the q code with the open cylinder heads? Would like to see what power It can make

[@thomaskelley1718]

Tim is awesome, I have been subscribed to him for a long time

[@DragPakMerc]

Great to see you collaborating with Tim. Super knowledgeable guy, and I LOVE his Cougar!

[@richardkimrey]

What a show ! I will watch this one again and take notes next time. Thanks to both of you.

[@williamrose8944]

Build it right the first time, I watch Drag Boss Garage knowledge is King

[@SpiritedWrenchers]

Thanks for the video. I've enjoyed watching your vids for a while but as soon as I see anything 351C, I'm all over it. We have a 351C 2V in our 70 Mustang that we're building. The 351C is built and hits 475hp. Very cool to hear that Tim runs incredible power on a 2V. I was first bummed that our Mustang didn't have a 4V but after learning more, I'm happy to have the one we have as it's still very desirable. We can't wait to get it back in the car early next year and be one step closer to having it back on the road. Cheers!

[@AnnoyedCoastalBeach-nl4tm]

An aluminum 4 barrel intake with a 600 cfm carb would work on a stock 2 barrel engine.

[@robertbray5735]

Tim is the man

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Rocking and rolling Robert

[@ronbelldvm]

Great info. The 351 Cleveland is a great platform for a street rod. With cylinder heads and the right cam, it's hard to make less than 500 hp. It makes my 73 Mach 1 a lot of fun to drive.

[@danielsmith96]

As a London subscriber of both channels, this was an awesome episode for me. I'm really getting close to having to make a decision on my Cleveland stroker for my 71 Mach restomod. I'm glad you guys touched on strokers. I went with Trickflow heads only because I had 2 different year open chamber 4v heads. This engine was a mess. Nothing was matched at all. Looks like a 383 in my future or 385. Everyone should go watch his video on oil passage modifications, lots of great info.

[@pedroequis9396]

Jeff, thanks for doing the heavy lifting on this. Enjoyed the video !

[@johnbehneman1546]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! AMUST WATCH AND TAKE NOTES!!! I LOVE YOU AND I THANK YOU.

[@rodneybarronbarron6355]

Awesome information. I plan on building my 1971 351 Cleveland forbolt Maine. For my 1971 Mustang. It has been. On a stand for twenty seven years now

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Time to get it off the stand man, 👍👍🏁

[@danonoveh8114]

Sounds like myself indeed

[@timmiller260]

I watch tim all time and have fresh Cleveland 2v heads and 4br intake and rv cam

[@hotrodhendrix1]

We daily drove our 70 Torino I spent 8 years restoring. Made it 8 months before a lady ran a red light. She's back in process. It was a nut and bolt restoration focused on reliability for that reason. Build em and use em.

[@randyisaak455]

Man this video was fantastic, pretty much exactly the type of info I wanted. Jeff/Tim, thanks so much for putting this together, I'm hoping you'll be able to give me some further direction so I can achieve my Cleveland goals. I currently have a 393 Cleveland with closed 4V heads in my 72 Mach1, but when my machine shop built it many years ago, he talked me into using dished pistons to drop the CR to around 9.5:1 resulting in around 420hp. I'm at the point where I want to make some changes and get to the 500-550 range with a very streetable engine, might hit the dragstrip just for fun once or twice a year. I'd like to keep as much of what I already have in order to save cash of course, but add about 100hp. Unfortunately, my crank is cast and not forged and I'm hoping I don't have to change it. Basically, with swapping cam, timing set, pistons and machine work to the heads and valve train, I'm hoping to reach my hp goals.

[@aguyinnc2865]

YES! Awesome video! Whenever I find info that starts with Mustang and/or 351C my ears perk up! I've been a subscriber to Tim's channel for some time now, and I have much respect for him and his desire to share knowledge with us. As you may remember, Jeff, (yea I'm the guy in nc with the '73 Mach 1 351C 2V) I've been tinkering with it, and have gained some seat of the pants performance with the stock engine recurving the distributor and re jetting the carb. It has a 2.75 rear gear with open diff. It's used exclusively for going to cruise ins and some car shows. I've been going back and forth in my mind as to what I want to do with it, as far as performance. Would love to have around 400hp and keep double digit fuel mileage. I have read that a performance cam will not make a ton of difference with the stock 8:1 compression ratio. 4V closed chamber heads are hard to fine these days. Aluminum heads are really pricey. I would like to have the engine rebuilt, but having that done can really get into the $$$. The odometer on the car reads around 104K, and based on what I've seen on the motor I believe it is the original one and has never been into. I know it does need a timing chain, but is not noisy and uses very little oil. So.... I'm still debating on what to go with.

[@svenomick5857]

Hello Jeff from Australia I watch Tim all the time great knowledge and if He does not know He will find out love all the Cleveland stuff lot’s of Head and intake Stuff cheers Mick NSW

[@blakeneysanders4264]

Interesting conversation, enjoyed it. Thanks for another awesome video.

[@abcullens2328]

Good video, thanks for posting it. Note - starting in 1972 all Ford 351 Cleveland engines were built with the camshaft retarded, regardless of lift and duration, 2V & 4V alike. the trick back in the day was to swap in a timing chain and gear set for a 1970-1971 351C engine. Doing this would wake up even the 2V engines. (back in the 70s & 80s) Of course nowadays it's best to use a high performance double roller timing chain set.

[@leethomas9198]

Loved the video. This is a great one for the books. I appreciate the depth of knowledge and honesty about what works. I was lucky to have owned a Cleveland that had a aluminum holley street dominator intake and the Q-jet w/ mechanical secondaries. I really don't think my dad knew how that engine had been setup before planting in my '68 f100. 3 on the tree and always a blast to drive even with the 2v heads. I've wanted that level of performance for years and haven't found it-although the 2016 mustang gt350r might do it.

[@sombra6153]

This was a really informative discussion!!!

[@davidwood351]

Great information. I’m refurbishing my 72 Ranchero GT.

[@Jason-kn3tw]

My clevo is block filled to lower water pump holes , actually runs cooler well more consistent , but I do have a external oil cooler Drive all day in hot traffic

[@psychoholicslag4801]

Been running a 400 with short filled block in a work truck for 26 years, in west Texas. It rarely goes over 200 degrees on water temp.

[@MrJak427]

Personally I’d just do it it for any solid street car build!!! because of the unknown core shift/thin walls stabilise those cylinders If anyone’s worried just run a oil cooler

[@tomberan1282]

Very enjoyable video and, I believe, good to work with other alike KZbinrs. I see this as a growing trend and, for all the right reasons, giving everyone far more exposure. I watch ( or listen) to many shows as I am driving, wrenching or simply attending to chores, at time going back to a video when the subject matter strikes me as something I want or need to see; this video was one of them! I see this trend of collaborating throughout the spectrum of of videos, from Autorestomod to Dave Rubin and everything in between. Clearly this, going forward, is the way in which you and I will get our information; TV, as we know it, is all but dead

[@gregmoore2386]

Love Clevo’s , got a couple of 4V’s tucked away in the shed, one’s closed chamber, the others an open chamber . Also a pair of Aussie 2V closed chamber heads. Down here in NZ they were what we got to play with back in the 80’s

[@bigl6322]

Very cool Greg…. Mebbe you might have an opinion. I have a Cleveland block that I want to stroke to a 408 and stick it in my 66 fastback with either a 5 or a 6 speed behind it. Planning on tracking it and road rally’s… what do you suggest for the heads? Mine came with the 2v but I’m preferring to go aluminum but what do you think 8 should be looking for in flow on a 408? It came out of my 70 cougar, and I’ve got a 302 I’m sticking in the cougar.

[@gregmoore2386]

@ big engine for a 66? Be tight between the shock towers and will need some relief on the firewall and tunnel I would imagine. I know the Aussie Falcons had a different Firewall from XW to XY when they moved from the Windsor to the Cleveland block.

[@adriennederrer4838]

Thank you!! Best video ever!!

[@hotrodray6802]

71 351C 2bbl, FMX. 4 tube headers Plain Thumper cam Edelbrock intake and 4 bbl. HEI distributor. 2.75 gear, 15.5 mpg. Itza torque beast.

[@njseashorechas2698]

Great Information. Thanks!

[@NGG1983]

love the ported intake part, "You could fit a family of four in there!...and the dog!". This was an awesome video, with great info. I would love to build a Cleveland for something one day, it's my favorite motor. Though maybe the best of both worlds with a Clevor(Windsor bottom end, Cleveland top end). I'm a big fan of the 71-73 Mustang no one likes, so maybe in one of those.

[@JohnnyDanger36963]

the 71-73s have a huge fan base now. one 429 scj sold for 180 k

[@HeathKopp]

@@JohnnyDanger36963 I passed one up in 1984 for $800. Had been hit in the door but had perfect interior, complete with engine oil cooler, 4 speed, etc. Ugh..

[@itneverwasme]

A Cleveland!?! LIKE!

[@michaelgiglio1571]

Guys, the best street n strip cam iv ever had is the Comp cams Xe284H hydraulic. 240/246@50. 584/588 110. Thats in AU with 95 octain 2v closed chamber 3.50 stroke. Sounds great, revs quick and can go shopping aswell.

[@brianwalker551]

Thankyou.

[@johnbehneman1546]

I LOVE ALL V8 ENGINES AS WELL. THEY ARE ALL SIMILAR.

[@perryford1014]

Great video and Tim is Awesome…question what magazine is that year and month with Tim’s car in it ?

[@biastv1234]

Rollmaster timing chain ( Aussie here)

[@MrPoppyDuck]

Very interesring video! Will need to watch that again to make notes. Want to make more power in my stock 73 Cougar 351c with 2 bbl heads, stock C6, and be able to use it as a summer dailiy driver in stop and go traffic with the AC on and have usable power brakes. From what I heard 350-400 HP is obtainable with long engine life. Thanks for the info!

[@JohnnyDanger36963]

get a 4 barrel intake for the 2 BBl heads= faster than a 4v Cleveland

[@MrPoppyDuck]

@@JohnnyDanger36963 Thanks for the tip!

[@JohnnyDanger36963]

@@MrPoppyDuck 👍

[@Elbiggggie]

I have a Cleveland in my 73 f100. Got an edelbrock performer 400 intake and a 750cmc Holley double pumper on it. Not looking to fly. But other than the exhaust. What is a mild set up that can add good power?

[@Elbiggggie]

2v heads

[@HeathKopp]

400 intake on a 351c? 400 deck height is over an inch taller, those will not work on a 351c. Going the other way is possible with spacers...but why.

[@Elbiggggie]

@HeathKopp I must have the wrong name of the manifold, that was just the model number from edelbrock. My bad 🫠. But yes any input is greatly appreciated

[@johnnyhonda7576]

And stay with 4v quench instead of open. Open tend to detonate. And measure squish gap. Don’t have it too tight

[@rodneybarronbarron6355]

Would be cool to build one on your show and have 2 going at the same time.😂

[@jimhebert9198]

I use a motorcraft 4350 and gose great love it

[@JoeRocket-sf6qs]

Will these heads fit on a 302 ?

[@AnnoyedCoastalBeach-nl4tm]

How about a stock Boss 351 aluminum intake for your Mach1.

[@greghoad755]

Roll master .

[@johnnyhonda7576]

Keep it to 10.5 :1. I’m 11.74:1 and have to run 102 octane. Buying VP110 and cutting with 94 is expensive and takes the fun out of a street Cleveland.

[@derekmelyndadeckens2982]

#OpenHeaderLife

[@kurtvara4918]

What main Girdle do you use in your Cleveland??? Ya I watch both channels too, Been messing with small block ford for about 40 years now after I switch from big block Dodges. Use to build mexican style Boss motors when Yates was the only on making intakes. Ya those were the good old days. Oh they call the Mexican Style Boss motor, Clever Motors today, and Yates used to sell build sheets to build them.

[@MrJak427]

Scott cook is on face book “SCM engine developments” He’s still going

[@hotrodray6802]

Important 35:20+ @ 40:50 NOTE, Jeff misstated 102 LSA when me means ICL.

[@stevegus2845]

No replacement for displacement! the saying goes.

[@terremolander5243]

I like that 90% rule. In our case it would be the 99% of the time 😅. We run pump gas 91 octane from Shell or Exxon.

[@KimSmith-ms6bg]

Look at the valve springs on that thing..

[@johnbehneman1546]

THIS IS WHY I LOVE HOT RODDING!!!! YOU ARE ALWAYS LEARNING SOMETHING NEW!!!! IF YOUR NOT LEARNING, YOU ARE NOT GROWING!!!!

[@timmiller260]

My Cleveland looking stock with shaker it's going in 70 mach1 4sp

[@rodneybarronbarron6355]

I'm looking for a serious engine builder for my 351 cleveland like I said it's been sitting twenty seven years

[@rodneybarronbarron6355]

Four bolt main😅

[@stephenhotzjustdriveit]

This info is nothing but trouble for me

[@frizzellracing]

how to make a Cleveland better ? Take it out and put a FE in it. LOL

[@juanpalacios72]

Cleveland sucks Windsor is better iam notva Ford guy but Windsor is better my was a Ford guy da best engine ever😊

[@regsmith7604]

That drag boss guy keeps putting me in Brazil. How tf does Brazil sound like Colombia? I stopped watching him.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Sounds like it to me, how about this Colombia borders Brazil.