Scaling Retro Video: Everything you need to know - Framemeister vs OSSC vs Retrotink2x

[@EposVox]

BTW! Add "00:00 Intro" to the start of your timecode list and you get chapter markers in the player :)

[@AvalancheReviews]

Is that what I've been doing wrong this whole time??! HA! I'm an idiot!

[@AvalancheReviews]

It worked! You're a life saver!

[@EposVox]

@@AvalancheReviews Heck yeah. Keep up the good videos :)

[@AvalancheReviews]

Thanks man

[@grawman67]

Dude, this is EXACTLY what I needed to see. I was eyeing these three recently and seriously doing research and then this popped up. You've really done the best video I've seen on these devices for beginners. Awesome job, man!

[@AvalancheReviews]

Hell yeah! That's exactly what I wanted for this video. I had to get all of my info from several often hard to find resources, so I'm stoked I gave some of you a single place where you could get it all.

[@grawman67]

@@AvalancheReviews You did an awesome job, man! I feel way more informed now. Your channel somehow continues to get better and better. Keep up the great work!

[@megamancards]

For Framemeister (if you choose that) - you can just get the FirebrandX profile files, load those on a micro sd card, pop that in the back of the FM and load it with the remote when you change consoles. There's no need to worry about settings because that guy is a perfectionist and has done all the work for you. Also, you're going to want to update the FM's firmware as soon as you get one.

[@AvalancheReviews]

This is definitely true. You may need to do some further tweaking with stuff like gama and maybe sharpness for snes over scart, but it is much easier that way.

[@Rockaxldude]

This video definitely filled that little niche I was looking for. Thank YOU for showing proper captures.

[@ScOULaris]

This is absolutely one of the best KZbin videos on this topic that I've come across, and I've seen a TON. Well done.

[@GameplayandTalk]

Excellent work here, man. Great to see someone talk realistically about the Framemeister's input lag. While I have an OSSC, the hardware compatibility issue keeps me using the Framemeister as my primary work horse. Its input lag has never bothered me, and I play a ton of timing-sensitive shoot 'em ups without issue. If you're speed running then that's one thing, but for everyone else, it's fine.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Yes!!! Glad to get a little confirmation that it's not just me. I'd love to believe I'm just so talented that not even lag can effect me, but I think we both know that's not the case. HA!

[@DylanYouSonOfABidgeNelson]

I was just thinking about how I needed more Jared in my life.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Everyone needs their bi-weekly dose.

[@Sebastian_Athea]

@General Jiggler More "pro" Jared?/s LOL

[@johnr4836]

have you run him thru a frame meister

[@joeypeawood4656]

This was EXACTLY the kind of video I was looking for. I love the look of your videos and was like “I wonder what his setup is” and sure enough you’re the guy I find breaking down the upscalers and generally just informing me of an area that I know literally nothing about. My PS1 videos are passable but my PS2 recordings look like ass with all the diagonal lines and noise so this was a big help moving forward. Thanks man.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Hell yes! Very glad to hear this was a help for you. I knew it wouldn't be a very popular video for the channel, but this is all the info I wish I would have know before getting into this stuff. I figured I should at least put it all in one single place. I'm hoping to do another one featuring the new Tink 5x!

[@HybridAngelZero]

"There may be more qualified people out there..." Perhaps, but their videos likely don't have Breath of Fire III music, a cameo from Grandia's Justin or Onimusha and Samurai Legend Musashi footage, making this video objectively superior. Seriously though, this is REALLY helpful, I've been considering upscaling for a while

[@AvalancheReviews]

Glad to help out a bit!

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Buddy you almost got buried in my sub feed. Glad I saw the thumbnail. Learning about HD upscaling while I'm on my lunch break today is a breath of fresh air.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Hell yeah! Learning about upscaling video, on the company dime? It's a win/win.

[@OfficialBioDevil]

Would you do an update video on this subject when the OSSC Pro is available for purchase/you getting your hands on one?

[@AvalancheReviews]

Bet your ass I will!

[@OfficialBioDevil]

@@AvalancheReviews I look forward to it!

[@MegamanNova]

I normally watch at 1.5x or 2x to save up time and get to watch more videos. But when 15:28 background came on, I am sure I am hearing my childhood. Quite unsure, I let it play while filtering out your voice (I'm sorry). Then it hit me! Brave Fencer 'effin Musashi. Man! Instant subscribe!

[@Cain532.]

this has been such an amazing video with the amount of detail that you went into with every aspect of everything that you've gone over is incredible to say the least how you haven't reached a million subs by now is beyond me keep up the amazing work thank you very much for all the information you brought forward

[@DacioNerdTV]

Dude your video is too professional, has amazing games shown for presentation and the background music is godly. Why the fuck is this underrated, deserves 100,000 plus views dude, I can't tell you how many times I've re-watched this video. Keep up the good work man and I hope your channel grows as well ;)

[@cheapergamer]

My OSSC arrived yesterday and now I'm officially a better person. Thanks for the informative video :)

[@mbzl3934]

True story: the OSSC's bob de-interlacing almost borked my monitor when I first tried with a PS2. It left a whole load of pixels stuck on green from a hud in Castlevania: Curse of Darkness. Took about 12 hours of pixel conditioning to get them unstuck.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Wow! That's insane. Do you have an OLED by chance? I've heard they can have issues with image retention. My plasma has a similar issue.

[@mbzl3934]

@@AvalancheReviews Nope, it was an older Dell U2311H - pretty standard IPS panel with a CFL backlight. I've not used the OSSC for any 480i content since then, in fear of permanent damage to any of my displays. I leave that task to the Framemeister and deal with the shortcomings that come with it (mainly the color noise and, to a lesser extent, the additional input lag).

[@voltz15]

@@mbzl3934 shmups and videogameperfection have both written columns on fast pixel reproduction via this method and bob interlace isn't exactly safe on some panel types if you have a lot of static images. If your display is compatible, either passthru or 3x mode is suggested.

[@NightimeDemon]

Thank you so much for this video. Things may have changed a little bit since this first came out with the options available, but this video of yours is still a great starting point for understanding the basics of what these devices do.

[@jasonalec6573]

Love my Retrotink 2X. Had the Framemeister but the resolution switch delay was nuts. The Retrotink on my TCL TV is about instant. Got the Pro recently.

[@AvalancheReviews]

I didn't expect to like the pro as much as I do. It really does look great. The jump from 1080p, to 480p, is not as drastic as I thought it would be.

[@fanglord13]

Recently got a Neo Geo AES and decided to give the OSSC a run first as it was the best bang for buck and reviewed well overall for my usage. The Retrotink 5x would be the next logical step if the OSSC doesn't work. Also worth noting that the OSSC has seen a number of firmware revisions which have addressed some of your issues presented here. Maybe time for another review/roundup with some updated thoughts?

[@pizza70123]

This is the best video I've seen to untangle the mess that all of this is to us who just want to play and don't really know much about the technicalities.

[@juancarlosaponte6897]

After watching like a hundred videos on this topic I finally found one that clearly explains everything . I just ordered a Retrotink on Ebay 😛 Great job for real 😛

[@christianprincedebates6740]

Dude, your video had me at the background music. All great choices 👍

[@AvalancheReviews]

Hell yeah!

[@bonnome2]

10:20, you have to remember that a modern TV also adds a couple frames latency. Now you are playing a game with 5 frames of extra latency compared to a old CRT for what the game was actually made. Reducing that latency by 1 frame really matters in that case.

[@DaveGaming]

Cheers man! Short question: You mentioned at 12:00 that an adapter is needed to connect component to the Framemeister. Can you tell me which specific adapter is needed? A 5 to 1 adapter? Thank you for the review!

[@Caspicum]

Damn bro I've been sitting on an OSSC purchase for a few months now. I think your Breath of Fire 3 music and Ogre Battle footage might've sold me.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Ahhh, the most convincing arguments in my arsenal. Never fails

[@Lunabry]

I love this!! You and My Life in Gaming are lifesavers 😊

[@AvalancheReviews]

I had my framemeister for years, and had no idea how to really use it, until MLIG came around. They really changed everything for a lot of people. There are a lot of youtubers just making entertaining content (myself included) but the work MLIG is doing, is important.

[@seraph4581]

Really big fan of the Retrotink... It does its job wonderfully, it's affordable, and it'll output a clean 480p60 that all TVs will love to take in. Looks damn near perfect on my QLED TV. Wanted an OSSC at first but was afraid it wouldn't work with my TV at all or that SNES/NES signals would judder like hell.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Yeah, the ossc is still such a big toss up as far as compatibility is concerned. I can only get mine working on my pc's monitors.

[@chadwolf3840]

such a great video! i'm a big fan of my life in gaming, but this breakdown was so much clearer.

[@marcusbolt1989]

Excellent video. I been rebuilding my PS2 collection and looking at getting better picture on my TCL TV. The RetroTink looks to be the best option for me. Thanks for the info. Gladly subscribed and look forward to your other videos.

[@TobyRieper48]

I just sold my OSSC and just got another CRT. Native lightgun support.. beautiful RGB, real scan lines and that lovely warm flicker. Also no lag and seamless transition from 240p to 480. The amount of money I've spent on this upscaling hobby I could have just bought a beautiful PVM and have done with it . I love your videos tho dude. Keep em coming

[@AvalancheReviews]

I want a pvm so damn badddd! I definitely have an eye for both the upscaled stuff, and the untouched signal on a crt. Content creation makes sure I'll never ditch my scalers though. Gotta get the best looking capture I can.

[@TobyRieper48]

@@AvalancheReviews Upscalers are great for streaming and content. I sure hope the OSSC pro has seamless resolution transitions. That was my main gripe with it even though it's a fantastic product :)

[@Dimensiom]

I am looking for something to convert the Dreamcast's VGA output to component video, but strangely finding anything suitable at a decent cost (under $200) is proving difficult.

[@kennethd4958]

I know HD Retrovision was supposed to come out with component cables for the Dreamcast but I haven't heard much about it in a while.

[@brunosa200]

Amazing work Jared, thank you SO much!!!

[@AvalancheReviews]

It's my pleasure!

[@DrewJarrod]

Could you recommend the best converter/upscaler/deinterlacer to digitize great picture and sound from an old s-video VCR (home movies) to 1080p HDMI/mp4? Thanks!

[@AvalancheReviews]

I think the tink 2x is probably the most cost effective option for vcr capture. It outputs 480p which isn’t the highest resolution, but it’s very simple and plug and play. The tink 5x is the next best option and allows for up to 1440p output. I recently used my tink 5x to digitize a bunch of old home movies and it was super easy.

[@ziggyzoogy]

PSA: Retrotink came out with a new model called the 2X-Multiformat that passes through 480p content without the line doubling. It still line doubles 240p/288p/480i/576i. So if you like the sixth generation consoles too and want easy plug and play with zero lag, get the 2X-Multiformat

[@ehsanghazavi470]

Sadly its been discontinued now. Is the 2x pro just as good for ps2?

[@epicstacker413]

Also, at 24:04, while it's true majority of ps2 games are 480i, gamecubes library is actually a majority of 480p games.

[@theblacksheep1000]

ONE OF THE BEST KZbinRS OUT THERE!

[@AvalancheReviews]

Aww thanks man! You're the best

[@Kezzic]

This video didn’t just fill some niche. It informed my purchase, thank you.

[@WhiteJarrah]

8:11 I tend to disagree. If you're trying to primarily record interlaced video content, you don't need to go all out and spend obscene amounts of money on a Framemeister. You can get away with using cheaper consumer grade SCART or component scalers, since the interlaced output coming off the console is little different to a VCR or DVD recorder. Same deal with 480p. Again, most component scalers are built to expect such resolutions. The Framemeister and OSSC do have handling of 240p content beat though.

[@SuperDerek]

Dude, you also like the look of dithering? Finally someone else! I've felt like I've been on crazy pills for a while now. Phew!

[@AvalancheReviews]

Oh hell yeah!!! Great (and attractive) minds definitely think alike! I don't know, I think it was the fact that I could see dithering in the pictures they would take for gaming magazines back in the 90's. Now when I see it, it feels like I'm actually seeing what I was supposed to this whole time.

[@voltz15]

@@AvalancheReviews Proper dithering is all about the shadow transparencies and blended colors. I've been arguing this withinn the retro community for a decade and it seems everyone is hellbent on getting their pixels as sharp as possible without exceptions.

[@VintageDefectors69]

@@AvalancheReviews I enjoy it some times and not other times. Even in the same game I'll just think it looks great or strange in different areas.

[@PassoutWeezing]

@@AvalancheReviews thanks for all the great content man, I used your link and bought the hd cable for my ps2 so I can finally play silent hill 3. I know it ain’t much but I hope you get some $ from it!

[@MichaelM28]

You definitely are on crazy pills, both of you.

[@SweDownhill]

Great video! For the OSSC, you can now extend compatibility by connecting a "Koryuu"-transcoder inbetween the OSSC and the console of choice.. The Koryuu-transcoder have both composite (yellow) and S-Video inputs. By doing so you'll be able to play NES etc. 👍 A component cable is used between the Koryuu and the OSSC by the way.

[@TheOnlyLunaKage]

Oh wow, I was LITERALLY going to comment on one of your videos asking about what you think about the retrotink, since I know how obsessed you are about that kind of thing, and I was thinking of getting one. Then I find out you made this video.

[@AvalancheReviews]

I got so many questions on this stuff. I figured there were quite a few people out there like you, who needed some info. Hopefully this vid answered your questions.

[@WhiteJarrah]

9:50 - 10:28 THANK YOU!!! I've been kicked off Facebook groups; banned from KZbin channels; and even falsely called a "Flat Earther" for reporting better mileage with scalers certain retro gamers deem "laggy". Hell, if they are concerned about a scaler giving them 5+ frames of lag, I've no idea how they get through modern games.

[@jamesmcdonough4901]

Thanks for the help man. I really appreciate this video.

[@alexthesteele]

It feels truly insane to watch Syphon Filter footage with Chrono Cross music over it lol

[@BasilBoy_]

Anyone know the game at 15:09

[@ChrisEvans66]

Great video man. I have the OSSC and the Framemeister. After testing them on all my consoles I hooked everything up through the Framemeister. Puts out great video for all my retro consoles on my channel. I love it. And the lag is not noticeable at all

[@AvalancheReviews]

Hell yeah! It's awesome seeing so many people agree about the lag.

[@ChrisEvans66]

@@AvalancheReviews I never understood the complaining either dude. Although I constantly see people saying the OSSC has no lag. On my consoles it still had the same lag as my HDTV. But with the framemiester I didnt feel any lag whatsoever

[@MichaelM28]

The game at 24:00 is Clock Tower 3

[@Hesher]

23:34 It's a 2021 year now and ExtremeCap U3 is now having audio issues while trying to capture the footage of any console (neither current or past gen does not work). Do you have a solution to that? I wanted to try getting audio out of my gamepad separately since U3 is capable of capturing audio throughout the component cable (then my connection would look like this: image for HDMI 1080p60fps and audio for component through gamepad plus some tweaks in ReCentral 1 of course). I know this grabber is outdated but It costed some money back in a day and It would be shame just to throw it out to a trash bin :P

[@goukigod]

Really well put together and helpful! One question: I'm using an older Elgato HD capture card. The one which has the analogue input. It's pretty fussy and won't accept anything but 2X out of the OSSC and won't even accept a signal from a Tink2x S-video signal in some scenarios, such as from a Pal N64. Do you know of a capture card/device that works well with the OSSC above 2X line doubling?

[@AvalancheReviews]

I've had great luck with the elgato 4k60 pro. Not much luck with my avermedia extremecap u3, except 2x mode. As a last ditch effort, have you tried using obs instead of elgato's software? I find way more compatibility that way. Here's a super helpful thread. videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/capture-card-compatibility-report-thread/

[@goukigod]

I haven't been able to use my Elgato with OBS because I use macOS and it won't see my capture card as a source. I'll look into the 4k60, Many thanks!

[@freejrs]

Cool intro animation!

[@AvalancheReviews]

Thanks!

[@retrozen]

So the Avermedia Live Gamer will work with 240p games? My Elgato capture card refuses to see the signal, regardless of the line doubling I'm feeding it, with both OSSC or the RetroTink2x. I'm thinking of buying an Avermedia capture card if it means I'll be able to stream 240p consoles.

[@gustavovj]

Hey man, great content! Looking to connect my N64 with a Retrotink 2x pro, I ordered it with the s video cable from their website, would you suggest upgrading to the Insurrection Industries cable instead?

[@SadeyJade70]

Thanks for an amazing & enlightening review! 😍 You’ve got yourself a new subscriber. 😊

[@gregoryreed8567]

Great synopsis of the leading solutions for retro gaming on panel TVs, thanks. Can you think about developing a video about how to wire everything up when your collection includes retro consoles, modern consoles and ancient consoles (A2600, Coleco, Intelli, etc), on a 4k panel? I’m thinking a workflow video with component switching, composite switching and HDMI matrix switching that handles 4:4:4 HDR10, blah, blah? One final thought- if I have access to all three of these solutions in hand, what works best on what or does daisy-chaining resolve to result in best of all worlds? Lots to unpack but what are your thoughts?

[@SheeshFr]

Dude your vids have been great! Subbed to the channel on the first Stalker review, making sure I watch everything of yours that pops up since because you make really detailed stuff! Probs gonna resort to a cheap av to hdmi BUT one day.... your advice in this video will be acted on!

[@AvalancheReviews]

Hell yeah man! Nowadays, you do have to spend a pretty penny to get top shelf quality out of your consoles, but when you’re able to afford a high quality scaler, you wont be able to go back. Here’s hoping that day comes soon for ya!!!

[@oscarcamey8]

I want to get the retrotink 2x pro but I honestly only collect for the N64, would the eon 64 be the better option of does the retrotink 2x pro look as good?

[@AvalancheReviews]

I'd say going svideo from the n64, into the tink would make for a better picture than the eon super 64. It might be a slight improvement, but it's noticeable to me. Especially when you consider how much brighter the tink is compared to the super 64.

[@JGAbstract]

Oh wow I just got a capture card yesterday and was wondering how to get old consoles to HDMI

[@AvalancheReviews]

Precisely why I made this. Hope it helps.

[@umbrollo]

I was looking for exactly this video, I was commenting on other videos as to how mine is so crap and others are so good. Arcade quality.My youth is in tact.

[@OfficeArcade]

For those who have a framemeister, do you see any reason to update to the ossc? I mostly play the NES, SNES, Genesis (RGB/Scart).

[@Quentin-vj5zm]

No reasons xrgb is better with snes gen nes...

[@rblc86]

Why you didn't test N64 on all the 3 scalers?

[@Suzakuux]

I just recently bought a RetroTink 2X Pro a few months ago and really enjoying it. I have noticed a few visual issues that seem to only appear on my TV, like occasional flickering or some kind of lines appearing like static, but they don't show up on the captured footage and the problem goes away after a few minutes.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Interesting. That makes it sound like some kind of issue with your tv taking the signal in. Well, at least the captured footage is ok. That's the important stuff.

[@Suzakuux]

@@AvalancheReviews Yeah, might be, I have a Samsung 4k QLED that everything is connected to. Thankful it only lasts the first 10ish minutes otherwise it could get distracting while playing.

[@CastleManiaGames]

love the FF style text boxes!

[@AvalancheReviews]

Thanks! I kind of thought they were a stroke of genius myself. HA!

[@realph44]

Great video. Thanks so much for this.

[@epicstacker413]

I love s-video! I use it with my retrotink2x pro for speedrunning super mario world and it all gets captured through an elgato hd60s, and the quality looks fantastic!

[@ShamanNoodles]

S-video is the most underrated AV standard, hands down! I have a 1chip SNES console and it's super sharp and colorful on my s-video capable monitor

[@TheSwartz]

WoW, still rockin' the Panasonic Plasma??? Best space heater I ever owned... Good picture quality too.

[@Jjustiin112]

What game is that on 15:10 ?

[@7kurgand]

May someone tell me whats the name ps2 game at 5:51? Much thanks.

[@nima1655]

thx man. exactly what i was looking for

[@AvalancheReviews]

Glad to help!!

[@krookedwarden]

This is a solid video, I hope it gets the attention it deserves. My only complaint is I am impulsive and this video has be scouring the internet for framemeister prices. Thanks for that Jared......

[@AvalancheReviews]

I had the same thing happen to me years ago. I'm paying it forward. HAAA!

[@krookedwarden]

@@AvalancheReviews it is one's duty

[@unitedasiatv4203]

Would you mind letting me know what de interlacing method was implemented on the Framemeister? Would you recommend using the Framemeister for scaling regular video shot at 480i to 1080p? I'd appreciate your response. Thank you.

[@AvalancheReviews]

The framemeister used motion adaptive deintertlacing, but nopwadays the Tink 5X uses that same method AND upscales to a higher resolution with less video noise. If you're looking to upscaled 480i, I'd say the RetroTink 5X is the absolute best solution. Hell, it's the best retro video product on the market in my opinion.

[@dawgshiiiiiiiiiii8828]

What is the game at 13:53 and 15:06?

[@brianboniuk1072]

You make good points for wanting some of these things, but at the end of the day, emulation is way cheaper and better.

[@TobyRieper48]

Sure.... If you like spending ages setting up each individual game and sitting on your PC for hours 😂 Emulation can be cheaper.... Better? That's debatable. All depends what system you trying to run and the device you are running it on.

[@brianboniuk1072]

@@TobyRieper48 Look, ive played lots of playstation (1 and 2), dreamcast, gamecube and even super nintendo games on a mid tier laptop, if that doesnt speak volumes bout accessibility then I'll be damned. Besides, would u rather have a super expensive setup or a cost effective solution for the same goal?

[@TobyRieper48]

@@brianboniuk1072 look here sonny jim I like playing my games without lag and inaccuracies. Just because it's accessible does not mean it's good. You clearly haven't played the original consoles. Emulation is a great thing and accessible it's just not better than the real deal. Come back to me when you've played videogames on a real PS2 PS1 and GameCube then we can discuss. PS2s are cheap so are PS1s, GameCubes don't cost the earth either. For all the games you just get optical drive replacements. Easy

[@brianboniuk1072]

@@TobyRieper48 Lol dude I do have a ps1 and ps2 u know. If I never had a certain console that's because I didnt have money or wanted to get it in the first place. Dont tell me you're one of those that brags bout having physical hardware as the only valid argument

[@TobyRieper48]

@@brianboniuk1072 just because something's cheaper and more accessible doesn't mean it's better. How is emulation better than the real deal apart from those 2 points? With a console you plug and play. No settings no menus no bullshit. It's all about the user experience most folks can plug in a snes and have a great time with emulators they need setting up, booting into your operating system, configuring controllers etc. What would you rather have a real SNES with all the games on a flashcart and original controllers or an emulator.

[@RemoWilliams1227]

3:08 and we loved it... Back then lol.

[@voltz15]

OSSC passthru + HDTV's de-interlace vs Framemeister de-interlace I do want to see more discussion on this.

[@AvalancheReviews]

I guess it would depend on the brand. My samsung lcd does an amazing job deinterlacing, but my panasonic plasma is only ok at it.

[@oleschoolgamers]

Nice comparison bud, well done! I went with the OSSC for some consoles and also use the Rtink2x Pro and Mclassic with others. Both work great! Side question, what is your audio setup, your mic input is so clear!

[@Riful]

Hello, quick question regarding these devices in conjunction with a PS2 and streaming. What combination would you say is the best route to go for an upscaler and a capture card that would work with the PS2? Currently i ordered a Elgato Game Capture HD as it seems to be a tried and true method based on a number of posts/comments but I forgot to even consider that a majority if not even all of those people most likely would not be using an upscaler such as these. Thanks!

[@ShamanNoodles]

I didn't hear you mention any lag on the OSSC, how does the lag compare vs the frame meister? Is it more or less? Thanks!

[@Zero99iGames]

Understandibly this video is focused on the NTSC video standard with no mention of PAL video used in Europe and Australia. The one huge advantage the Framemeister has for PAL users is that you can actually strech the image to correct PAL videos squashed pixels (or borders if you like). With the right settings my PAL SNES picture looks just like the Pixel Perfect Mode on Switch or the SNES Mini. Same for the Mega Drive where I can eliminate all the coloured borders.

[@AvalancheReviews]

That's a great point! I actually never thought about it, but yeah the framemeister's picture controls totally makes that possible.

[@TheSlackassCrew]

So between the OSSC and the RetroTink 2x pro, Whats the best choice to hook up to a VGA computer monitor?

[@seamless8505]

That was a great video man. It's always nice to see these old classics well captured and well presented. Also, you need to do a review of Breath of Fire IV, and maybe also the PS2 Castlevania titles. It seems that no one is talking about these games for some reason.

[@BiotchProductions]

I'm having a problem that I hope maybe you can help with. I have a pretty Legendary game room where I play all my games on a high-end ViewSonic HD projector with a 130 inch screen and Bose surround sound. All my gaming looks great except when I try to play the PS2, GameCube or Wii. I've tried a few cheap and even mid-priced S-Video to HDMI converters but, for example: when I play Soul Reaver 2 on the PS2 the gameplay is extremely dark. I don't have this issue when I hook it up to a regular smart tv. I was thinking of getting the Framemeister for its ability to change the brightness among the other things in it's built-in menus. However, do you have any suggestions that might be more affordable that can brighten my games when playing on my projector? Thank you so much!

[@TomasCyr]

New intro, nice!

[@Sebastian_Athea]

I had Panasonic G30 plasma working just fine with ossc, the thing is; firmware panasonic TVs shipped with from 2008 to 2014 was kinda broken especially in game mode, updating it to the newest version fixed all the issues I was having, but it's really weird how tvs with exactly the same gamma error and compatibility issues out of the box where shipped for so long, and they knew about it because it was fixed within a few months after each model was released.

[@E_Sunbro]

Awesome info. Just starting to get back into retro gaming. Wound up getting a decent flat screen CRT from my boss, and running a PS2 via component on it looks remarkable. I did get bit by my lack of research and bought a NIB GameCube that doesn't have the digital output for component, but your illustration for S-Video vs Component/Composite makes me feel a bit better. As an aside, I never thought I'd play any game from the PS1 again in my lifetime due to the wonky controls most games have. Your Silent Hill Retrospective changed that, and I've been enjoying Silent Hill 1 in all of its dithered glory, and I've been loving every minute of it. Already have Silent Hill 2 and 3 in hand for when I finish it!

[@AvalancheReviews]

That's the best new I heard all day!!! Getting people into old ps1 games is literally my job! Very happy to hear that. Also, svideo is a great looking picture most of the time, but it looks amazing on a crt. On that kind of a tv, the difference between comp and svideo won't be so obvious that you'll notice without really looking for it.

[@E_Sunbro]

@@AvalancheReviews This makes me happy. Trying to get a DOL-001 GameCube and the insanely hard to find and overpriced component cables has not been fun. I'm gonna keep trying, but for now I'll be happy. P.S.- Tank controls FTW!

[@sordsmen3456]

Damn I had no idea the framemeister was being discontinued, should have grabbed one earlier.

[@StickyBM]

God the framemeister is incredible.

[@AvalancheReviews]

It's an amazing piece of tech for sure.

[@shockwave.9749]

Nit sur eif it was out at time of this video, but there's also retrotink 5x 👍

[@yournightmare9999]

I glad that i chose framemeister to play old systems. I purchased my in March for $250

[@BebopMansion]

Wow, I love how much detailed you were in this video! You're amazing! The framemeister image you got on Silent Hill 3 at 14:15 is so beautiful!! You're right in saying that it is much better for interlaced content. For the OSSC, it's the psp footage that impressed me the most. I might default to OSSC in the end since it's twice cheaper and bob deinterlacing imo is good enough. Got a question. Have you tried the PS2 component cables instead of composite? I'm curious to see if they makes a big difference combined with OSCC or Framemeister.

[@AvalancheReviews]

Thank you!! I exclusively use ps2 component cables and the difference is very noticeable. All of the PS2 footage in the video was was captured using them. I'd say that's the only way to go if you're getting a scaler. Remember, the higher quality video you put into a scaler, the higher quality upscaled picture you'll get out of it. So whenever possible, use either RGB Scart or Component cables.

[@BebopMansion]

@@AvalancheReviews I got my OSSC (yay!) and I got another question =/ Which capture card are you using to capture OSSC footage? When using my PSP component with 2X, the resolution is 900p I think and my Elgato HD60 doesn't support it. I'm now thinking that I'll have to deal with pretty odd resolutions throughout many device and scaling settings so I wonder which capture card can get the job done.

[@CastleManiaGames]

So on the topic of lag - its variable lag that is/ can be a ruined experience. The Framemeister only has 1 frame and its constant so this isn't an issue. The low quality cables not covered are the ones that can really change how the game is experienced. Depends on the game and all of this assumes your display is put in game mode.

[@AvalancheReviews]

This is very true. Anyone can adjust to constant lag, but when it's a saw tooth, you never know when the game will react to your inputs.

[@superbn0va]

Panasonic HZ2000 is latest and one of the best oled tv that has component and composite inputs build in! It’s a 2020 model. But can external adapter compete with internal adapters? Or is this a stupid question?

[@romerolemstra8747]

Mike Chi also released a RetroTINK 2X with a RGB Scart input called the RetroTINK 2X Scart. Simple lol

[@AvalancheReviews]

Yeah he did, and his work has been high quality enough that I trust his stuff regardless or whether or not I've tested it myself.

[@rikib3652]

Is that Bof Music at 1:00 or am I mistaken??

[@AvalancheReviews]

It sure as hell is!

[@rikib3652]

@@AvalancheReviews awesome, I always knew I liked you.

[@luckmarbella]

wow what a job!!! grat video

[@MissScarletTanager]

I know you're an actual hardware sort of retro KZbinr, but is there any chance you'll talk about emulation outside of the couple instances when you *have* to use it for something (like with the RE rail shooters, when you tested how awful the Wii's motion tracking was, or when talking about the RE2 and RE3 Seemles HD). I love talking about the ins and outs of upscaling and signal converting, but it's all so prohibitively expensive. The gcomp is $240, GCHD is $150, the OSSC is ~$150 as well. And that's not even considering the costs of some of the most outrageous games on the market (I bought my copy of Rule of Rose in highschool for $20. It's now $550 for a *used copy*. Haunting Ground? $300. Kuon? $650. Lunar, ~$100 depending on condition.) The upscaled picture looks amazing, don't get me wrong, and the novelty of upscaled picture on actual hardware makes me a happy tech nerd, but the chances of me actually being able to spare the cash for it in the next ten years (and having the space) is incredibly unlikely. Yet the best possible picture I have seen for most retro games I have played comes out of PC emulation, and depending on the game, there is the possibility of working widescreen hacks allowing a 16:9 picture without model stretching (for games in full 3D) at resolutions at and above 4k, and since it's on PC it negates the issue of YT content creation and streaming. Emulators are free, and in my experience play most games perfectly fine with the right settings. I try to find videos honestly comparing the two so I could see the pros and cons of actual hardware upscaling versus pure PC emulation, but all I find is either footage of just emulation, retro elitists shitting all over emulation, or the odd video from creators like you that occasionally do show emulation comparison to actual hardware, like with the RE2 and RE3 ports. I just want an honest objective comparison of the pros and cons of the two upscaling methods, because though a lot of this upscaled footage looks amazing compared to what I can do with my shitty OG composite cables from my PS2 into my one small flat-screen TV (don't have the spare money or room atm for a CRT, or a bunch of cables, etc.), I also know my computer can produce an even better picture through emulation. Someday, if I get lucky and can devote a room to a larger television and a home theatre setup, I definitely want to get the physical real hardware upscalers, but even then I would be terrified of getting shoddy repro carts for the expensive/rare games, needing to hack real hardware to get the best picture/play repro discs, etc., compared to something like hooking a computer to a large TV and emulating a PS2 game in 4k.

[@jeroenputzeys769]

There is a retroTINK with scart now. It's really good.

[@LitchAzazel]

Dude you showed X-Men Legends footage, best review ever.

[@AvalancheReviews]

I've been going through an xmen legends phase lately.

[@LitchAzazel]

@@AvalancheReviews I play 2 on PC with skin mods so it looks like 1990s X-Men Animated series!

[@Haddsman]

I'm still a tad confused. I recently got back into playing on my old PS2 and got a basic component set up running on my fllatscreen. If I wanted an upscaler would the Retrotink still be worth it? What would happen if I tried to play a game like Gran Turismo 4?

[@WhiskyYeah]

Game at 12:20?

[@owlymowly2264]

Do you guys think that either Retrotink or OSSC work on a nanocell 4k lg tv?

[@owlymowly2264]

For PS1 and PS2 gaming mostly

[@AvalancheReviews]

Yep, the Tink 2x will work fine with it, but it'll be stretched to fill the 4k screen, which means you'll lose some sharpness. You'll be going from 480 lines of vertical resolution, to over 2000. So scaling the picture that far will take a little of the original punch out of it. I've heard the ossc is way more compatible with 4k panels.