Avengers Kang Dynasty Would've Been Awful

[@MarsM13]

I hate the idea of "anchor" people. So one mortal person dies and a whole universe implodes? Then every universe has short lifespan, even if no supervillain interferes.

[@unigaming9921]

Especially since they are already dead. It's a timeline. They are already not born, still alive, and dead for billions of years.

[@alexanderparker2219]

Except it's supposed to take thousands if not millions of years for a universe to die once an anchor being bites the dust. It's not like the universe immediately gets destroyed

[@unigaming9921]

@alexanderparker2219 but even that makes no sense. It's not the universe it's the entire timeline. But timelines span from the beginning to end kf that universe. From the instance of that tineline, the anchor being's death already occured. And he's also still alive at the same time. At what point is he "dead" enough for the universe to decay, when he's still very much alive at a different point?

[@umjammerlammy9993]

I mean it works in the joke meta sense Deadpool was going for, when the popular actor dies everyone stops watching the movie series and it dies a heat death.

[@umjammerlammy9993]

Like guys seriously are you taking the lore from Deadpool as gospel? Deadpool? The movie series taking a p!ss all over the entire genre?

[@chudchadanstud]

Ghost Rider wouldn't break a sweat. The issue with the MCU was never Kang. It was the writing. We got our first proper look at Kang in action with Quantumania and they down played him.

[@budgiecat9039]

Yeah Ghost Rider once rode in out of nowhere and gave Galactus the Penance Stare in 1994 Fantastic Four cartoon

[@BraelynWise-t8i]

True

[@toyanthaog5109]

That was the weakest Kang. You think Ant-Man was fighting the strongest Kang?

[@chudchadanstud]

@@toyanthaog5109 ...The one who caused the Kangs to band together to take him down in the weakest one?

[@toyanthaog5109]

@@chudchadanstud you missed the part where hes in the Quantum Realm nullifying his space and time powers

[@MageBeLike]

From “MyTimetoshine’ oh so it’s fake. Dudes been wrong way more than he’s ever been right, he’s not a leaker just someone who reads comics and can make an educated guess

[@solivagen435]

Thank you. I'm happy more people can understand that this "leaker" is trying to get the fans talking about nothing. Only because of the recent news of Avengers: Doomsday, he knew people would wonder what would happen in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and try to cash in on the buzz.

[@sirsnek3933]

Educated wish

[@solivagen435]

@@sirsnek3933 Educated Logic

[@alexdurain3753]

@@solivagen435that joke just flew right over your head.

[@solivagen435]

@@alexdurain3753 In my defense, I've always had to be defensive or people will just run all over you.

[@aymaanrashid2033]

It’s a shame the mcu squandered such a great character like Kang

[@jaylenjayden9305]

Agreed

[@repulser93]

“It’s a shame that Jonathan Majors turned out to be a real life shitbag.” FTFY.

[@cfromgrapeseed1924]

@@repulser93nah this is all marvel cause they could’ve clearly recasted if that’s the case

[@bonesproductions1353]

@@cfromgrapeseed1924tbf I don’t think many actors would want to play the same character Jonathan Majors played regarding what he has done. It’s pretty controversial

[@blumouse8539]

​​@@bonesproductions1353Majors is 100% innocent. There's video recordings of his Wife actually attacking him. It's disgusting what she did.

[@jonarbuckle778]

Dude, a comic book accurate Ghost Rider would solo the Council of Gangs. The 3 Spider-Men would serve as the geniuses behind the operation and Wolverine would be having a good time being the best at what he does. It would be a Kang massacre

[@Cybertron1256]

Kang is way more powerful than you think

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

@@Cybertron1256 he was beat by an army of ants…they could easily js bring out a bigger army of ants 😂😂

[@solivagen435]

How was my comment hate speech? 😕

[@Cybertron1256]

@@00pium_kingvampstan ants that evolved over thousands of years remember

[@solivagen435]

@@Cybertron1256 Socialist Ants.

[@myk_3D]

The entire idea of anchor beings never should have happened in the first place

[@Lewisfilms2]

I liked it in Deadpool 3 but not in the Avengers

[@myk_3D]

@@Lewisfilms2 Ain't gonna lie bro, it was even a bad idea then

[@juanandresrueda4957]

​@@myk_3Dthe whole plot of the move is that a guy who can travel in time was inpatient and decides to warn the only person who can stop him about what he is going to do, the writting was a mess honestly

[@Snt1_]

​@@Lewisfilms2The idea wasnt even THAT good in Deadpool. Of course, Deadpool makes up for it tenfold by being really entertaining

[@LordTylerBluGunderson]

@@juanandresrueda4957Ofc y’all just wanna hate on a big movie a few weeks after a it releases. Just like The Mario Movie, smh. I don’t really mind anchor beings that much because timelines literally take thousands of years to erode? So what’s the big whoop about a significant important character like Tony Stark or Wolverine dying in a specific timeline?

[@commando6683]

The plot sounds like Spiderman No Way Home meets Deadpool and Wolverine

[@diegomedina9637]

That's exactly what it is. Whoever rando who wrote this basically picked up the 2 most popular Post Endgame movies in order to gain credibility.

[@johnbrando5336]

In theory I think marvel had good intentions of wrapping the original two big marvel franchises, aka Sam Raimi’s spider man trilogy and the original x men trilogy Remember they planned to have Hugh cameo in spider man 2002 and this saga was meant to celebrate Feige’s run from 2000 x men to 2025 secret wars The issue is that they chose Rick and Morty writers, the people who made Dr strange 2, ant man 3 and she hulk to wrap up this run so yeah

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

@@johnbrando5336This saga was just made because Feige wanted to capitalize on the success of the Infinity Saga and wanted to do the same thing without understanding why the Infinity Saga was loved in the first place! It just feels like… despite the few good movies in it… the saga was just doomed from the start.

[@LordTylerBluGunderson]

@@johnbrando5336The Rick and Morty writers to write Multiverse of Madness/Quantumania was the biggest mistake hands down. Made both those movies incredibly disappointing, fs.

[@LordTylerBluGunderson]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudiosThe multiverse idea sounded really cool. They just made it immensely boring and filled with identity politics. That’s what ruined the entire phase 4/5 for me.

[@DaleTheBoulder]

Taking a leaker that happens to not be very reliable with a grain of salt is pretty generous. Maybe if you were an amoeba, a grain of salt would be quite reasonable.

[@Potatosoupisgood]

Mytimetoshinehello isn’t even a real leaker anymore. He just guesses as much random stuff as he can because after a while of making random guesses you’re gonna get something right.

[@DaleTheBoulder]

@@Potatosoupisgood Yeah, I guess you're right. I heard there's a Nerf movie being made, and my latest guess is that a blowup sex doll is devouring the galaxy, so NASA needs to shoot a needle through a dildo-shaped Nerf gun at the doll and pop it. Hire me Hollywood.

[@CBright7831]

People make videos now, just for views. They don’t care what they’re spewing is correct or not.

[@matthewpatrick7263]

I'd say you take it with an 80 lb. bag of salt.

[@latayesha]

​@@CBright7831Facts, sadly

[@adrianomoraes5992]

I find weird it doesn't have any of the major MCU players in an Avengers film. No Hulk, Thor, Dr Strange, Sam Wilson Cap, Shuri Black Panther, War Machine or new people like Shang Chi, She Hulk, Moon Knight. Peter Quill or the new Guardians of the Galaxy? Nope. It feels more like Fan Service the film. Wtf do I want to see Nic Cage Ghost Rider? We already saw the 3 Spider-Man together. I wouldn't mind them being in the film but not centered around them.

[@sqeekeezthehamster1116]

its fake

[@veksone77]

Because this is made up bullshit. This wasn't going to be the plot.

[@latayesha]

​@@MoreSmartterYeah, that's definitely not gonna happen. Thanks to Kevin Feige!

[@nerdock4747]

"pLot leEkeD!" "btw its all rumor" *eyeroll*

[@robmclean4352]

2:50 Sounds like a setup for a joke: "Three Spidermen, a Wolverine and a Ghost Rider walk into a Kang bar, and..."

[@whit3dant3]

They mop the floor with the kangs

[@TheGreatPM1]

Another thing that's confusing is that with the characters that are mentioned, that isn't even close to the Avengers. They could've at least added characters like Hulk or Hawkeye but only Spider Man? They really like Spider Man so heavily

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

I think they Changed the plot entirely after no way home came out or after MOM came out because Spider-Man was the only character that seemed to grab fans in a similar way to Ironman. There’s probably a Version of this written down somewhere that involves more of Doctor strange

[@sqeekeezthehamster1116]

because its fake

[@lucius42]

Like 1 Sipder-man is awesome but 3?? Give some other characters a spot this is not Spiderman 4

[@rey_ispog]

Honestly, they only like spidey because he makes millions.

[@Raudent]

I mean tbf, we got far from home right after endgame, and it gave us a tease about the multiverse (even though it's just a fake excuse from mysterio) I already knew Spiderman would be the Ironman for The Multiverse saga

[@Comics_Central]

It could’ve been good. It’s not uncommon for something to not make sense on paper but still be entertaining. I am happy with the Dr. Doom direction tho

[@solivagen435]

RDJ as Dr. Doom, can work even if I have my gripes. But the "leaked" plot that Lewis broke down is fake.

[@Comics_Central]

@@solivagen435 yea, I tend to assume that leaked plots aren’t real. Interesting to think about tho

[@solivagen435]

@@Comics_Central It would've been, yeah. I'm all about trying not to judge until the final product.

[@JMaster9877]

NGL Avengers Doomsday sounds like a better name and sounds more like a followup to Endgame. Also I still feel like Tom Holland Spiderman will still be the Anchor Being for the main Earth.

[@RyzenX12]

Personally I think it's either iron man or dr strange

[@srstriker6420]

2:28 also makes No way home pointless and a waste of time

[@gameingboy9541]

How

[@legogoka-boomstudio1838]

I think more than half of the cast being made up by 3 literally nearly identical characters is really stupid No Way Home had to separate each character and kinda made each of the alternate one represent a good and a bad future for our main one, with it coming in a positive light once MJ got saved. They were selective and careful.

[@Lewisfilms2]

Yeah I get that

[@avairal5936]

spider verse did it lol

[@legogoka-boomstudio1838]

@@avairal5936 in spiderverse each spider person was individual in their necessity to the plot and in their personality They were very strongly different people with a similar cause

[@CoolMan1_SonicAndOtherStuff]

You're making it sound like it would've been the worst thing ever. It doesn't sound out of the ordinary for the 3 spidermen, wolverine, and ghostrider to defeat kang, since ant man and wasp defeated kang all on their own in quantumania.

[@fudouakio4759]

They defeated 1 Kang with the help of an ant army This will be those 4 against the entire Kang Dynasty

[@bread1573]

yeah but quantomania was also a terrible movie

[@bashamd96]

​@fudouakio4759 If a bunch of ants can kill one, Wolverine alone could genocide the whole multiverse

[@CoolMan1_SonicAndOtherStuff]

@@bread1573 The only thing terrible about it was how they completely wasted modok. But apart from that, it was good imo.

[@fudouakio4759]

@@bashamd96 Bunch of huge, technologically advanced Ants that have dwelled in the Quantum Realm longer than humans had been alive via the time dilation* Y’all don’t know who Kang is fr

[@Hurtle885hu8bu]

They’re probably just going to take this script, replace “Kang” with “Dr Doom” and film it. Though I’m not sure what’s so unbelievable about Spider-Man being the lead. Who else would it be, Captain Marvel? Dr Strange? Black Panther’s sister? I don’t really believe this leak, mainly because it’s only characters that people actually want to see.

[@TheSuperNuggetDude]

Nah it’s the russo brothers they ain’t changing Jack

[@wolfzeru5745]

Definitely Strange, alongside Captain America

[@ieatchuall]

Yeah that's actually a good point. Steve Rogers Captain America and Iron Man were arguably the main lead characters in all Avengers films, and now that they're both gone there's a void that would be awkward for even Thor to fill despite being the next most important Avenger. I can see Sam Wilson Captain America possibly being the main character for Avengers Doomsday but it definitely makes more sense for it to center around Spidey.

[@mightguy3118]

If this came out fanboys With zero standards would still eat it up and call anyone who called it out for being bad a "HATER 🤓"

[@Jon-Rimmer]

Literally NWH and DP&WOLVIE fans:

[@solivagen435]

IT"'S FAKE, You... Snarky Fuzzball>

[@00pium_kingvampstan]

@@Jon-Rimmer D&W was good, ntm, NWH wasn’t good tho.

[@solivagen435]

@@Jon-Rimmer I see what kind of fan you are. Saying it's "FAN SERVICE" without giving us any good or constructive criticism. For your info, we'll gobble it up if we ENJOY it; you have no right or authority to say what we can or can't enjoy. If you got something say... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

[@Jon-Rimmer]

@@00pium_kingvampstan Would everybody rave about it if it didn’t have cameos? Honestly, when Doctor Strange had cameos of non-nostalgic characters, like Captain Carter and such, everybody called them cheap and a cash grab. But when NWH had all the great villains from the past, they ate it all up! And the movie also disrespected they’re character arcs, like it makes Doc Ocks journey in SM2 less compelling, since he was cured in NWH and his change of heart wasn’t natural. And why is Sandman evil? He wouldn’t fight any of the Peters, he only became a criminal because he had to get money for his daughters treatment. And there’s a million plot holes I can mention

[@_stealth_313]

But theres no way Doomsday is any better right? A last minute entire plot change and having the movie only have a year to be made is insane. I don’t think I’m feeling excited

[@Roty24-f6s]

It's actually two years

[@DanialDEcool]

That was from an untrusted leaker, it’s also a really early version of the plot

[@dzigayu4944]

Good movies have been made in that short of the time. The problem is that the writers are shit, the company is shit, and they bloat the movie with CGI that gets rushed and underfunded, so for Marvel yeh it's not looking bright.

[@theopendoorev]

i mean it could definitely be better in my opinion. maybe they realized that people are getting bored of all the multiverse cameo shit and decided to write something with the goal of being a compelling story. that’s the best case scenario imo. but ofc, even then the final product could still come out rushed and kind of disjointed because of the short deadline and probably massive scope. but you know we can still hope. just me trying to be optimistic

[@sstudio36]

The directors of the movie are the only good part about the movie right now.

[@crimefightingspider]

What the hell is going on with that sandman fight?😂

[@B2-1]

So these leaks conveniently happen after deadpool and wolverine releases. And just so happen to include Anchor beings even though noone had talked about the concept beforehand in other leaks. Hmmm suspicious.

[@BlackEnigma908]

The concept of Anchor beings is just about the stupidest thing I've heard in a marvel movie

[@DanialDEcool]

It’s not an MCU original thing. The recent secret wars stuff had it.

[@Wifgargfhaurh]

Yeah it's just not reasonable at all.

[@lucius42]

For Deadpool it made sense as a meta commentary but otherwise it feels weird. Like this is obviously made for a Cinematic universe. There is almost no in world explanation why character X is somehow more important other than "He made the most money to Marvel" but you can hardly use that for lore purposes. Maybe it will be explained but right now I think it should stay in Deadpool.

[@cillianwatters5619]

I agree. Eventually the anchor in every timeline is going to die, that's just common sense, so that would mean that every timeline has a deadline. For example in the main timeline wouldn't it be fair to assume that iron man or captain America were the anchor? One is dead and the other is close to it, so the main timeline is basically doomed now.

[@sqeekeezthehamster1116]

No WAY yall believing this 😭😭😭

[@qwertyMrJINX]

Fake. "Anchor beings" was obviously a plot point thought up by the Deadpool team to make fun of how corporate had no interest in continuing the Fox X-men Universe without Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. They're not going to introduce a key plot element of the next Avengers movie in an R-Rated Deadpool movie barely related to the MCU. That's stupid.

[@rapaiz7449]

Well, they have made a lot of stupid decisions.

[@robertban871]

the Deadpool movie did make a lot of money tho and these companies tend to learn the wrong lessons from success and failure in general

[@AlejandroCamilo-k9g]

Jonathan Majors told TMZ that he is "heartbroken" by the news that Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom will be the new villain of the next two "Avengers" movies, effectively replacing Majors' Kang the Conquerer. Marvel fired Majors in December, the same day he was found guilty of two misdemeanor counts of harassment and assault. His villain, Kang, was created as the new Thanos of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and would feature prominently in "Avengers: The Kang Dynasty," which has now been scrapped and replaced by "Avengers: Doomsday," starring Downey. “Yes, heartbroken. Of course,” Majors responded when TMZ asked if he was hurt by the new direction Marvel was taking. “I love Kang. However, Doctor Doom is evil.” TMZ later noted that Downey was being given the opportunity to lead more Marvel films despite his own history of legal troubles. Downey was arrested in 1996 for possession of heroin, cocaine and an unloaded gun and received three years of probation. He faced many other legal problems in the years that followed, causing some Marvel executives to worry about casting him as Tony Stark in 2008's "Iron Man." "I think it's only fair that Mr. Downey has been met with patience, curiosity and love... and that he will be allowed to work [his] art and be creative at that level," Majors said of how Downey was given a return despite the legal problems. "I didn't really understand that." Would Majors want to return to the MCU as Kang? "Hell yes! Hell yes! I love it. I love Kang," he said. "If that's what the fans want and that's what Marvel wants, then let's move on. Hell yes."

[@DrEternity42]

I think the difference here is that RDJ made a concentrated effort to change his behavior and habits, to make up for the things he did, which was why he was able to be in a place where he could make movies again like when he got cast for Iron Man and later Tropic Thunder. Essentially the things he did and his recovery from addiction (which was in the early 2000’s) happened before he was cast in Iron man as a comeback. I also feel the need to mention that he never physically assaulted a woman, even if he hurt his then wife at the time emotionally from his behavior. Whereas with Johnathan Major if you look at what people who have known him throughout various points in his life have been saying a pattern of aggressive manipulation and abuse emerges. Additionally he hasn’t really expressed regret or made any concentrated efforts toward changing his behaviors, especially when you consider his relationship with Meagan Goode and his self comparison to MLK.

[@AlejandroCamilo-k9g]

@@DrEternity42 Remember What Happened When accepting the award on stage at the Beverly Hilton Hotel in Los Angeles, Majors, 34, said: "I think people want to know about last year. As a black man in the criminal justice system , I felt anger, sadness, pain and shock. When they took me out of my apartment in handcuffs, I didn't feel like that.' He continued: "I didn't feel like Jonathan Majors, Mr. Creed, Mr. Kang; I felt like a kid who was a little scared and weak, despite the support and evidence that was in my favor, I knew shit was wrong." ". ". ". ". 'And it was bad because of who I was and what I am. This is what happens to black people too often.” Major later gave credit to his faith, stating, "The God I serve has put me in a position where I have had to embody that word more than I ever wanted or wanted." 'We live in a world where men, black men in particular, are considered superheroes or supervillains, but I have personally realized that I am neither of those. I am imperfect. I have flaws, I admit them. I love my job.' Towards the end, he told Meagan: 'I love you, I love you beyond all limits, with all my strength, with all my heart I love you,' while also greeting his nine-year-old daughter, Ella. And in early March of this year, Good opened up about her romance with Majors, telling People, "I'm in love, I'm transitioning, I'm healing, I'm growing [and] I'm getting excited. 'What's next.' 'Yes, just many things at once. But what I can say is that I am happier than I have been in a long time.” The "Lovecraft Country" star also thanked his mother, recalling that she stood behind him when his guilty verdict was read and told him, "It's okay, son." Just before the awards ceremony, Variety and Deadline reported that Majors had booked his first film role since his assault conviction in "Merciless," a revenge thriller that will be directed by Denis Villeneuve's brother, Martin Villeneuve.

[@apeblastsupreme]

​@user-ik7lz3pl8q do you just copy and paste articles instead of forming your own opinions?

[@AlejandroCamilo-k9g]

@@apeblastsupreme And so you can see the information that Jonathan Majors said in the form of tears at the Perseverancia awards

[@apeblastsupreme]

@@AlejandroCamilo-k9g dawg idgaf what he said, he beat his girl and downy did some drugs, huge difference, crocodile tears dont mean shit

[@SonOfSassy]

The leaks are fake. It’s smoke and mirrors to protect Jrs Doom

[@goldenlotus3046]

Kang was the best thing about quantumania

[@wolfzeru5745]

*only good thing

[@Termina2018]

And MODOK 💀

[@goldenlotus3046]

@@Termina2018 lmao you literally said that with a straight face xD

[@Termina2018]

@@goldenlotus3046 He was so horrendously baffling that he ended up being the highlight 😂💀

[@goldenlotus3046]

@@Termina2018 lmao xD imo how they handled modok is the core reason the movie failed =P he should have been the main villain. With Kang being a secret villain at the end.

[@michaelsarmiento3057]

How is it that Eric Bana's Hulk will not make any appearance in Avengers: Kang Dynasty? I want to see an interaction between Eric Bana's Hulk and Mark Ruffalo's Hulk.

[@newtfigton8795]

I remember reading a long time ago that Eric Bana doesn’t want to reprise that role, ever. Maybe that’s changed though.

[@patricktehe]

i hope they have kang in secret wars or bring him back for the next saga because he’s such a good villain that was wasted

[@patricktehe]

it’s like ultron, but at least ultron got an avengers movie and apparently returning in Vision Quest, so i hope they bring Kang back

[@azurewhitemusic9565]

I'm just gonna view Kang as the "Zant" of this saga, with Doom being the "Ganondorf" of the saga, similar to how Ganondorf ended up being the actual main villain of Twilight Princess instead of Zant towards the end.

[@oni123]

Mytimetoshinehello is the biggest capper ever. Whenever he does a “leak” it’s always wrong

[@dragoonsmash1395]

It would have worked better if it was just a trio of either Toby or Andrew, wolverine, and ghost rider

[@CrazyPuppyHand]

The thing that Gott me laughing was that it would be 3 Spider-Man like they could take 2 of them and take like a Thor and a Deadpool

[@TiverMeShimbers]

Your not taking this into consideration, they casted RBJ as Doom. This would be a great motivator for Spider Man since his dead mentor is now the main villain. So his chances of being the main protagonist is even higher now.

[@schkoopdawhoop7885]

Avengers We Wuz Kangz

[@Themechanicalorganism]

This feels like a story a kid playing with Marvel LEGOs would come up with.

[@I.Am.Terrible.At.Usernames]

Can we stop acting like this is a credible leak? It really isnt, and doesnt sound remotely real. The title is just clickbait though, and you probably seem a bit too confident in it Great video anyway, keep up the content regardless

[@samuelmackenzie5267]

It was not michael Waldron who was originally meant to write kang dynasty, it was Jeff loveness, Michael was set to write secret wars. I Jeff also did quantummania. Michael probably had a little input on avengers 5.

[@zahin1227]

It actually kinda makes sense for Spider-Man to be the anchor being of 616 considering he was the reason Tony made the Time Machine and henceforth he was the reason we got Avengers Peakgame but then again Tony did make the Time Machine and did kill thanos

[@hcags_795]

2:27 It's as dumb as The Watcher picking Capt Carter and Black Widow to stop Ultron with Infinity Stones.

[@Quantum_Bluntz]

Oh you only like OP heroes fighting OP villains?

[@DanielBrianA.Dulejan]

Women

[@NotSylvanUnfortunately]

@@Quantum_Bluntz Great strawman. What this person was obviously saying was that it made no sense in-universe for the Watcher to pick Captain Carter and Black Widow to fight against an incredibly powerful villain, when there are far better characters the Watcher could have picked.

[@belot217]

A real shame how Loki S2 came out too late into burnout to be rewarded for how it avoided most recent MCU issues. Felt like a brief glimpse of a much better-managed phase. They really needed more self-contained entries with the script and VFX plans finished well before shooting.

[@kail4997]

2:35 the only explanation I can think of is they were trying to gather the new fantastic four, you just short of a hulk

[@yellowflash214]

Ayyyye!! Thats sounds about right!!

[@wolfzeru5745]

I like the idea of Kang not being a big menace, just someone who found his variants and took advantage of this, so he is more of a inconvenience since there's a lot of him going around there. At the end, he is no match for real threats such as Galactus or Doom. My pitch for the next movie: Kang joins Doom out of desperation now that TVA is hunting him down. Doom ultimately betrays him and steals his tech and traveling machine, he wants to hunt down Reed. In order to avoid more inconveniences, he decides to kill every single Kang out there. Reed learns this, and he joins the Avengers to prevent the new Doomsday

[@lulu_TheWitchBoy]

I mean the only thing scary thing about kang in the comics is his technology, and that’s there’s so many variants of him- he just keeps coming back. So him to losing to ant man wasn’t so far fetched.

[@patfuss8998]

If Peter Parker is the anchor being of 616, wouldn’t the universe had imploded when he blipped?

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

I just want to know what’s the point of introducing all these characters in phase 4 and 5 if they’re not really important to the plot of the future crossovers…. Like if this is truly the plot why not try to build phase 4 and 5 entirely around the multiverse and give the characters of past films before the mcu some type of Logan esq send off movie for them to ultimately come back in for avengers 5 and 6, instead they wasted resources of shows and movies that flopped and tainted how fans will view these characters forever. She hulk is a great character in the comics but many people now are annoyed by her. Nobody wants to see any of the Marvels again aside from Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye was decent but nobody’s truly hyped for a young avengers movie which is why they haven’t announced one yet. There was no point in introducing Riri Williams in Wakanda forever. So much of TFATWS was setting up future stories that nobodies really interested in. It’s almost like they had a plan for avengers 5 and 6 and just let people screw around while they tried to convince the legacy actors to come back.

[@petitemasque5784]

MCU Kang sucked, not only because someone who was defeated by ants doesn't deserve to even smell Thanos farts but because he looked like an evil smurf.

[@dragostudioz]

It would actually be more of a fight than you describe it to be, one name in particular being Ghost Rider would be enough to level most of the council, if you require proof and evidence then I will tell you if need be.

[@JMQA1]

Making Tom Holland's Spider Man the Anchor being of the MCU is genius. It can lead into why Tony Stark felt like he had to sacrifice himself to bring Spider man back in End Game. It goes beyond Iron Man's personal arc and and shows from the very beginning he was compelled to save the universe.

[@abhinavkishoreprasad]

And the slightest chance of any of the anchor brings dying would have put there entire universes at risk it's really was a bad idea and making the movie just this team center is also feels weird either make kang dynasty on brilliant template of infinity war following two teams fighting against one common enemy or don't make this an Avenger movie dont title it Avengers title it something else and when they fail to stop kangs or something the kangs does severely impacts the structure of multiverse leading to incursions leading to rifts between the kangs blaming each other and officially starting multiversal war and the lost heroes of previous movies teaming up with some Avengers on main earth protecting it from incursions and second team fighting kangs

[@hassanorisit]

I'd bet Tom is the lead/one of the main protagonists of the film. Not only cause his interactions with a Tony lookalike will make great scenes, but also because Marvel is clearly desperate, and we all know that rn, Spider-Man is marvel's biggest hero, so they're gonna try and shove him everywhere to get more people to watch

[@Pumpkinboy1972]

I just want to see Nick cage that would be awesome

[@leafyfeathers]

Having non-MCU heroes can be a fun treat, but making them the main focus of an MCU movie defeats the point of an Avengers film.

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

We wuz Kang

[@RuneAnimations22]

The downplay on Wolverine, Spiderman, and especially Ghost rider is kinda crazy imo.

[@dannypalin9583]

There was no way that Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield were only coming back for No Way Home. Despite the sense of finality in Deadpool and Wolverine, it was never the swan song for Hugh Jackman. Despite The Kang Dynasty apparently ditching She-Hulk, Rule 63 Loki, America Chavez, Shang-Chi et al, it wouldn’t have worked. It feels like old times, and not in a good way. Remember when Marvel used to slap Spider-Man or Wolverine on the front covers of comics that had nothing to do with them? When you read the synopsis, it feels awesome at face value. Hugh Jackman meeting up with Tobey Maguire is cinematic fanservice to the nth power. Hugh Jackman meeting up with Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland feels unreal. An event 20 years in the making that seemed impossible. That alone is enough to get bums in seats. How could Disney possibly botch this premise? Easy! Spider-Man and Wolverine team up to stop Kang and lose. To a guy who's been taken down by Rule 63 Loki and a stampede of ants.

[@scottdesemberer8751]

How such good set up in Loki series for character was so awful in ant man 3 and could be further?!

[@Mecharnie_Dobbs]

1:46 After the collapse of the multiverse, who is left from whom any wars may be kept "Secret" ?

[@andrueweghorngaming9976]

4:30 Sony might say otherwise

[@Benlovescheese]

Michael waldron did mom not antman- both are badly written though

[@Prod.Asia006]

Looking at it now, Johnathan Majors could’ve been a really deep layered and great villain with multiple movies setting up a great character arc, but with the crappy writing we have nowadays, the Mcu is incapable of writing anything consistently layered throughout films anymore

[@poluticon]

If they were going to do this they should have included all the old characters from the other universes like Fantastic Four, Blade, Daredevil, The Punisher, Ang Lee's Hulk...that would have been epic

[@pouse4]

If Ironman was still alive, I would think he be anchor person the MCU. Given his movie started it all.

[@gannonkendrick9343]

People straight up getting BULLET POINTS and deciding entire movies would've failed on that basis alone. We are in the fanservice era of entertainment. Whether or not you're actually a good writer, if armchair critics decide you did their favorite characters dirty, your credentials are shredded in front of you, and you're deemed incompetent.

[@carter358]

3 Spideys, Wolverine, & Ghost Rider?? You would think at a minimum they would have Thor (or Odin), Vision, Wanda, Professor X, and Doctor Strange to take on Kang

[@TheKyle666]

Omg no, kang starting battle world? They probably will bring in those mentioned ghost rider, spidermen, Logan, There’s a good chance they will fold in those elements,

[@darrinharvey3384]

I think the idea of gathering anchor beings and protecting them maybe would make sense but having three Spider-Man does not make sense. It was great when it happened once but doing it again would be a cash grab and everyone would see through it

[@kate_6436]

I’m still so pissed off that they made the third Antman movie just all about Kang. Like it wasn’t an Antman movie in the SKIGHTEST they were just there to be vehicles

[@CookieSir.]

stop using mytimetoshinehello as a source, he's the most unreliable source on the whole internet man

[@LibertyBridgeProductions]

Kang is a good villain I don’t see why you’d just get rid of him after building him up. Just do a proper Blue version and recast him.

[@karimali9699]

Its just weird kang was hyped up in Loki s1 and then when we see him in action in the antman movie, he is nothing but a fraud

[@Hewhowantstoknow]

"This makes the TVA seem dumb" I thought Loki did plenty of that

[@adanomic949]

I don't think there's any reason to believe this is a real plot. It really sounds like something a fan threw together for a fake leak.

[@sm4carnageihope]

Jeff Loveness wrote Quantumania, not Michael Waldron. Easy mixup though, both wrote for Rick and Morty, both worked on Marvel projects featuring Kang and both were attached to write Kang Dynasty at one point.

[@pony999]

Only interested if Holland's next Spider-Man gives justice to Venom and fixes Hardy's abomination.

[@charmyzard]

Man. I would've really wanted to see Nick Cage's Ghost Rider once again in action. Those movies were SO COOL! Just not under the current writing team.

[@Sparta670]

It’s a shame they handled Kang so badly because he’s one of my favourite Marvel villains. I hope in the future, years from now once the MCU has been rebooted Kang gets a second chance.

[@paolobastie]

2:01 no it doesnt. Im kinda annoyed that the only hype moments are just cameo fest stuff. Hype moments feel so much better when its actual earned moments and not "oh thats the guy from"

[@Kman1523]

I cannot believe that disney rather casting Robert Downey Jr to iron man, they cast him to dr. Doom.

[@fishjones4618]

I call BS. No one has ever heard of “anchor beings” until Deadpool & Wolverine came out. A movie Iger didn’t want made and Fiege tried to convince Hugh Jackman to not do.

[@Codeslammer]

Making Spider-Man the mcu anchor is a terrible idea for Disney cause Sony can try to end their deal again later and then the anchor being is gone

[@SkakkurPjakkur]

If you add The Hulk to Spidey, Ghost Rider and Wolverine then you’d have…The New Fantastic 4

[@marcneef795]

I think it was very convenient for Marvel that they had an excuse for cancelling Kang. Doomsday can only be better than that. (But probably will not be much better.)

[@nickmarvell1245]

These past few years have proven that you should never pre-order a movie from a Film Slate reveal

[@Whispurer]

Bruh if they made TOM HOLLAND SPIDERMAN the Anchor Being of 616, Sony would strongarm the shit out of the MCU.

[@gabrielmello9927]

I kind of wanted to see Kang as a big villain and going up against the Avengers, I think he had potential. But after Ant-man 3, I doubt it they would've done him justice in Kang Dynasty

[@theoneandonlybosable]

Of all the reasons to believe or not believe these rumors, Holland being the lead of Avengers 5 is not one of them. His character is the established MCU character with by far the most cache, obviously he will be the lead hero.

[@PhelesDragon]

I’m a firm believer that nearly *any* plot can be made amazing with the right writing, acting, and direction, but I was sick of multiverses/alternate timelines/clone loooon before the MCU was a thing and Marvel’s writers ain’t got the chops to pull it off in any capacity.

[@byronsenior6499]

I feel like it would make more sense if Iron-Man had been the anchor being. And his death passed it on to Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Sort of like an Avatar: The Last Airbender type of deal.

[@platypusnoise]

Just think how Dooms Day and Secret Wars will be. It's just gonna be an edit of that script, with shoe horned rdj

[@8bitfilms584]

I think if they got a whole army of anchor people, instead of a little team, It may have worked.

[@axelnilsson5124]

1:48 I knew it! I knew they were gonna substitute the beyonder for Kang

[@nicktroisi6347]

Marvel Studios really fumbled Kang after Jonathan Majors got fired. Look I am so happy Doctor Doom is coming into the MCU but I would've loved to see Kang at his full potential, its disappointing that he will only be remembered for being defeated and killed by Ant-Man and The Wasp, which is lame. Also, the whole Anchor Being dying or being pruned and then their universe dying, is quite unfair.

[@mateoy3403]

I think they should make an Avengers film where Kang and the cousil of Kangs try to take down the main Marvel timeline. Then Antman, Captain Amercia aka Falcon and Spiderman try to reassemble the Avengers in that universe. Then Sylvie and Mobius go and recruit a couple of multiversal charaters like Deadpool, Wolverine, Gambit and X23 . Then the Avengers team would be Antman, Captain America aka Falcon, Spiderman, War Machine, Hawk Guy, Thor, Scarlett Witch, Shang Chi, Doctor Strange and American Chavez. The would all team up against the Kangs. Then the end fight scene would be the Kangs fighting at Doctor Stranges lair and the TVA because they would try to kill Loki at the end noticing he is the key to taking over the multiverse. This movie would be like a set up for Doomsday. Then the end of the movie would show that all the council of Kangs were working for Doctor Doom all along.

[@grfrjiglstan]

Remember when the premise of the Avengers movies was just “this bad man wants to kill a lot of people, we’re gonna need like six guys to stop him”?

[@StonedOblivion]

What I want is dr doom becoming an anchor being in his respective universe, people from dr doom's universe will help the heroes that will inevitably try and stop dr doom without imploding their universe lol. Might be interesting to see

[@TheEh_1]

It would be cool if they actually paused the Kang’s and is doing where Dr Doom comes in and beats up the avengers and say the End of the movie or the huge build up the Kang’s would attack or something like that.

[@sharkanenoa5928]

What a waste of a good villain

[@Outrack]

MTTSH has no credibility left, she’s been outright wrong about many things recently.

[@TheInvisibleMegladons]

i think Tom Holland's Spiderman being the lead for doomsday would be realy cool cos rdj is playing Doctor doom so id love to see the reaction from spiderman when he sees his mentor's face behind that mask.