Why Fusion VS Potara is NOT Close.

Why Potara VS Fusion is NOT Close. Potara Earrings vs the Fusion Dance, which technique/form is better?
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[@fabiotiburzi]

errors on this video: 1 potara does not unfuse. this rule was putted in by that shitty manga called db super because they do not know how to use intelligence to make a sequel manga/anime 2 6:54 fusion last 30 minutes regardless of the power level. gogeta ss4 didn't last because vegeta was fresh like a rose but goku was wrecked making the fusion unstable. the second and third attempt showed this 3 potara doesn't have an impact on the body bc is a perfect union between bodies and souls. fusion has an impact instead

[@queenie_1755]

​@@fabiotiburziUnfortunately for you, Super is plenty canon.

[@fabiotiburzi]

@@queenie_1755 unfortunately for everybody it suck except for the tournament of power

[@queenie_1755]

@@fabiotiburzi Doesn't change a thing. And plenty of people liked the Future Trunks arc.

[@DragoEpyon]

@@fabiotiburzi When people talk shit about the Goku Black arc. I remember that those same people somehow think the Tournament of Power was good. Which means their opinions are meaningless.

[@dmoon21225]

The angel born in hell is a tough ass line

[@sincere0727]

What’s also cool is Goku comes from Heaven and Vegeta from Hell and they fuse to destroy Buu

[@Jax_NahIdwin]

“The Devil to terrorise evil itself” is also not bad

[@aymenlahfa234]

"the perfect fighter" is also cool (title given to vegito by whis)

[@Moethsvwq]

​@@aymenlahfa234When be said that.😅

[@doom9128]

@@Moethsvwq Anime I think.

[@Squorzel]

Let’s be honest, most times Gogeta VS Vegito isn’t about strength, it’s about who looks cooler.

[@dontayewhittaker5687]

Gogeta looks cooler

[@Squorzel]

@@dontayewhittaker5687 well in my opinion, I agree

[@rafahl200]

Vegito is so fucking cool

[@Squorzel]

@@rafahl200They are honestly both super cool, I just like Gogeta slightly more design wise, but they are both peak. ome people take it a bit too far though.

[@GokuBlackRose978]

I honestly like vegito’s drip more tbh, bro looks godly.

[@MrLim-wq2gn]

The truth is that Vegito in the original continuity was stronger. but over time the two fusions got retconned in the newer material to be equal.

[@djb9267]

Why do you think that it got retconned?

[@jschannel6319]

Because of a single promotional statement for the DBS Broly movie

[@TomasBregman]

@@djb9267To nerf Vegito for the sake of plot 🥱

[@thedevilsleutice]

@@jschannel6319which means nothing. Every time Gogeta Appeared it would have been after Said Vegito appeared Example? Even though it makes no sense for Fusion Reborn it would have been after the Buu saga, and there for stronger. GT Gogeta once again after Buu. Broly after Zamasu. So even if the multiplier got change that means Potara would still be stronger cause nothing retconned the statements of it being stronger than the dance.

[@giannivttr]

Truth is Gogeta was supposed to be the first and strongest fusion

[@vishthefish2246]

A reason why gogeta didnt defuse with blue could be that blue was incredibly taxing when it was first introduced, but the more goku and vegeta used it, the more they mastered it and the less ki they needed to maintain blue, this being shown in the dbs manga

[@aidanlyons25]

I think so too. Remember Goku in the anime vs Hit said that ssb is a form about ki control so I think by the time they fought Broly they must've mastered ssb and fixed that flaw.

[@fruitspunchsamuraik]

Or that the fight between gogeta and broly didn’t last very long?

[@alexlestat]

In the manga, yes. They have a mastered SSB form that is different from the initial SSB. In the anime, no, the reason Goku mentions that in the universe 6 arc is to explain why he can use kaioken. The reason we don't see him defuse is.... because we don't see him defuse, for all we know he could've defused 30 seconds after the movie ended. Gogeta was also not in SSB the entire time of the fight and was barely using any effort against Broly once in blue.

[@alexlestat]

@@theultimatetrashman887 We don't know how long it lasted, but it wasn't the full hour. SSB drains time limit techniques we've seen in DB such as potara, metamoran fusion, and being brought back to earth via Baba.

[@Drm-Rose]

​@@theultimatetrashman887 dude... how would the fusion dance... that last 30 minutes... last over & hour when going into forms that would lessen time. We only know that Broly vs Frieza was an hour since the fusion dance failed twice (meaning to wait 30 minutes). Gogeta could have easily only been there for less than even 5 minutes, since the only thing that can really gauge the time (the sky) was made artificially since the dragon balls were summoned. So we genuinely don't know how long Gogeta fought for. Especially since the time we watch/read in dragon ball can be faster or slower than the actually in-universe time (ex Vegito fighting for 3 episodes in dbz which should last only an hour vs Vegito being in only a couple pages already being 5 minutes even though they were mainly talking)

[@nicebro8563]

No, the anime is different than the manga in one aspect, the Super manga already confirmed that if even just one individual is immortal while the other one is not, when they become fused, the fused body will become immortal. It's only in the anime that when an individual is immortal while the other one isn't, their fused body won't become immortal

[@kingdragongamer2648]

i think thats cause they were both zamasu so when they got cut in half they went to fuse back together and which in both became immortal, or maybe not idk

[@nicebro8563]

@@kingdragongamer2648 When they merged and created Fusion Zamasu, Fusion Zamasu did become immortal. But when the fusion time limit was up, Zamasu and Black couldn't defuse properly because Zamasu's immortality merged 2 bodies on a cellular level. But after Trunks sliced them up, the 2 retained the fusion immortality. Idk why the guy who made this video used manga panels to explain something that was only in the anime

[@fagalon9152]

I thought the Full Power Kamehameha killed the Goku Black side of Fused Zamasu, which is why only after the appearance of zamasus messed up regeneration did Goku decide to actually use Blue Kaioken. Goku black was super good at adapting to strength so using SSJB-KK would've put goku at a huge disadvantage even pre-fuse, but obviously the Goku Black side was now dead, he could safely use SSJB-KK.

[@nicebro8563]

@fagalon9152 That's anime, anime Fused Zamasu isn't immortal.

[@FaultehBoi]

Anime makes more sense.

[@Monkes23]

As much as I like Gogeta, a good bit over Vegito in fact, ones made from a GODLY technique, while another is just some random alien bum’s technique, the fact that the metomorians techniques can even be in the same class as the potara.

[@zzzzzzzzz7551]

That is exactly what makes it charming. It makes sense for the fusion dance to be a more refined and effective fusion tecnique because that is the whole reason of his existence. The earrings weren't meant for fusion at all, that's why we don't see it among the realm of gods.

[@zzzzzzzzz7551]

On top of that, fusion is a TECNIQUE, that requires not only mastery at performing the moves but also a FULL compenetration between both fusees. Even if the Potara fusion's hypothetical ceiling is higher (if the fusees' full power isn't equal), the resulting metamoran fusion is WAY more stable and reliable (since it can be performed without the use of ITEMS). That's why in godly battles the earrings will not be able to sustain the fusion's incredible power and it will defuse. Whereas with the dance, the fusion can enjoy the entire 30 minutes at full power

[@hueyfreeman9094]

That's what i'm saying, db fans just won't listen

[@somsakknownguy1174]

@@zzzzzzzzz7551 no any statement has ever back that up that last part bro you're just making it up on that one

[@alicepbg2042]

why would it not be allowed to be in the same class? just because one is from the gods it doesn't mean it is (or should be) inherently better

[@Rivr_Shen]

Avent: this isn’t a vegito vs gogeta video comments: cool vegito vs gogeta video!

[@JNDeaux]

The thumbnail: Vegito vs. Gogeta

[@lordtabaro302]

Gogeta, in Super Broly, specifically said, "Our two power levels aren't just added together, they are significantly multiplied."

[@ijustloveerza1694]

which if u understand english correctly means as said in the video (A + B) x 10. So personally I give the edge to Gogeta but I'm not looking to start a war. Just stating my preference

[@jaquan3106]

@@ijustloveerza1694but the supreme Kai said that the potara fusion was better in the original db

[@ManSpider92]

​@@jaquan3106 He also said it was permanent, which it was not for Goku and Vegeta. It was said that Buu's insides caused the fusion to become undone once they lifted their barrier. Then it was retconned to have a time limit, even shorter once God ki was used.

[@ijustloveerza1694]

@@jaquan3106 That was retconned. Also, while I resspect ur statement please keep in mind I said I'm not looking to start a war

[@nicebro8563]

I thought Toriyama already confirmed Gogeta and Vegito are evenly matched??

[@LonggoBonggo]

There is something that we should also consider with the potara fusion, at the time of vegito's appearance in super they were using imperfect blue, meaning the form itself was releasing a lot of ki that wasnt being used, this could be the real reason for the shortened time limit. Tho it's pretty circumstancial, i do think it makes more sense than just saying that goku and vegeta's power overpowered a godly technique.

[@ShockvoltXZ]

This

[@omarawilson2853]

I like to think of the Potara as an over loaded battery when using God Ki and that’s why it’s unable to keep the two together. While the dance relies solely on the twos own power to keep them together, making it more practical

[@MrLim-wq2gn]

The Metamoran Fusion is a ritual. so even though one person has to lower their power level to preform the ritual. It does not mean the Dance Fusion itself has lost any of the power the person that lowered their level had. Like it's just something that must be done for the ritual to work. not that full power locked within isn't being used in the end results.

[@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097]

It doesn't but everything stating the Potara is stronger does mean that its stronger

[@Toddles]

doesnt matter potara stomps

[@hassentrh2118]

Exactly, otherwise if they fuse in blue then Gogeta's base would be millions of times stronger than normal, it wouldn't make sense.

[@blessedxxiii8908]

@@Toddlesback in dbz then yes

[@detroitmade6]

​@@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097 it was stated as superior never stated it was stronger

[@Dw7freak]

I like to think of it as the Potara fusion is forced while the Fusion Technique is harmonized. What I mean by that is that the earings do all the work with the Potara fusion. Because it forces the fusion through using the god ki stored in the earings, it's not as stable. The Fusion Technique, on the other hand, requires both parties to work together in harmony, both's minds and bodies are in sync, thus making it more stable.

[@victorobidigbo2858]

Some like to use best of a+b x 100 and some people say that gogeta lasted more than vegito because at the time goku & vegeta didn't master ssjb yet and in the broly movie they did so it didn't waste as much time of the fusion

[@erickmontes2149]

And this is plausible

[@alekijr.777]

Gogeta used stardust fall,god stardust breaker,a Kamehameha that broke dimensions,a whole giganting nuclear explosion with full power and then the most powerful single Kamehameha ever,and he still had time to stop frieza. While vegito defused with a final Kamehameha and a small usage of his spirit sword,while having basically double of Gogeta's time. That's wierd.

[@zibblobet3425]

I don't think metamoran fusion defuses based on power output anymore tbh

[@Unkown-z7z]

that is possible

[@Unkown-z7z]

@@alekijr.777 blud does wear mostly effect from the movie?????????????/

[@zeniateo4196]

In terms of design i think Vegito takes the cake. However i like Gogeta's skillset alot more than Vegito. I feel like Vegito's skillset is actually a fusion of their individual techniques like Final Kamehameha but Fusion Dance have more original skills like Soul punisher, stardust fall and that nuke in the broly movie. Fusion dance feels like an entirely different being while potara feels like a combined being

[@user-fj7mi8fj1y]

What? bro forgot the spirit sword of vegito

[@user-fj7mi8fj1y]

And that star dust fall isn't an official name

[@zeniateo4196]

@@user-fj7mi8fj1y i know it isnt the official name but im sure uk what im talking about. The ki sword is just one move though, name me more? I can name u more of Gogeta's originally skills, confetii kamehameha, the move where he quickclone himself against shenron

[@user-fj7mi8fj1y]

@@zeniateo4196 db gt is not canon

[@zeniateo4196]

@@user-fj7mi8fj1y ok then answe my first qn

[@JoesMama-ci3yl]

The GT fusion didn’t fail because it was wrong, it was because Goku was too weakened to match Vegeta’s power, right? 5:43

[@joaoantonio4864]

Vados didnt say 10x, she says "multplied dozens of times" wich would be at least 24x times but more likely far greater

[@zyarthxr4394]

just like multiplying by 570x would be considered hundreds of times, multiplying by dozens could be anything above 12. Doesn't have to be 24x

[@Nightmare2.03]

@@zyarthxr4394 He said "at least"

[@zyarthxr4394]

@@Nightmare2.03 and?

[@Nightmare2.03]

@@zyarthxr4394 I misunderstood the intent of your comment. Sorry

[@zyarthxr4394]

@@Nightmare2.03 ok

[@kukito7774]

My head canon is that since the potara is meant for gods it doesn’t function as well with mortal, that is why vegito defused in around 30 seconds, meanwhile the fusion is meant for mortals so since goku and vegeta are mortals the fusion lasts the full 30 minutes. Also I don’t know how you forgot about the fact that if a potara fusion in unbalanced the fusion will be much weaker than normally, that is the reason why the gohan and goku fusion would have been much weaker.

[@Xaffire]

Potara Fusion will always be far superior. It was stated as such. It's a perfect fusion regardless of power difference unlike the fusion dance where its hit or miss depending on power levels and how far your toes and fingers extend.

[@proheraldsjr3000]

Potara is retconned so that statement is mute and potara never wins fights.

[@Unkown-z7z]

@@proheraldsjr3000 thats not true if you were to have to equal fusy then yeah they probably wont defuse like with kefla

[@Manus_0813]

So strong that it has never won a fight 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Unkown-z7z]

@@Manus_0813 shut up? gogeta has nerver won a fight also and janeba isnt cannon

[@jeremiahtannehill8870]

@@Unkown-z7zgogeta beat Broly and Janemba🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@basixs88]

So how does your final conclusion relate to the title if the video?

[@silverbolt1667]

My headcanon has always been Potara is stronger, but Fusion Dance offers better ki control.

[@OverlyEpux]

Daizenshuu 4 about Potara: "After Merging, the power is greater than with fusion"

[@reddroid8499]

Well it was wrong.

[@OverlyEpux]

@@reddroid8499 The Daizenshuu? The guide penned by Toriyama himself? You saying the dude was wrong about the series HE wrote? 😂😂😂 Gogeta fans got negative IQ i stg.

[@reddroid8499]

@@OverlyEpux Well throw insults all you want a retcon is a retcon if we really want to talk though we can always look at how vegito defused. Nothing more cringe then someone who uses emoji's in an attempts to make themselves look like their right.

[@OverlyEpux]

@@reddroid8499 mf i dont need to make myself look right, it’s right there in black & white. What the retcon said wad that Potata can defuse just like fusion can (See: SSJ3 Gotenks in the time chamber. DBZ Ch 489) If you wanna look at more recent material, Gogeta is shown to be weaker than beerus as a guide states that he Broly was even with him in SSJ and when Broly went berserk he lost the fight because he was out of control, despite actually being stronger (DBS Super Hero Japanese Guide in V-Jump) And vegito in the Zamasu Arc was states by shin to be “even stronger than lord beerus” 🙂 Hoes mad

[@BraydunXJesus]

@@OverlyEpuxTy for being smart, these gogeta fans be mad stupid

[@elcrakcultraporxchara3260]

Uh, what about the rivality boost? Wouldnt that technically make pothara better?

[@sussussy255]

the rival boost is when two rivals fuse the method doesn’t matter lol

[@Zeno1781]

​@@sussussy255 it isnt meantioned that the fusion dance gives a rival boost

[@beastunleashed657]

The dance not having a power limit makes no sense because Gotenks defused because of SSJ3.

[@rickydiscord7671]

"the more power you use. the less time you have." like if you are using 30% the timelimit well be 26 80% well be 6. 100% 3 or less. same logic with the earrings. but like the show, manga and this video says. the stronger the host actually is the more the timelimit rule would be cut down much shorter. like it is an hour when they 1st used it. but how powerful goku and vegeta are now. it's cut down to 40 minutes. that mains the earrings does have a limit. dance is still 30 minutes no matter how weak or strong the host is. while the earrings has a limit.

[@beastunleashed657]

@@rickydiscord7671 did you not read my comment? Gotenks was a dance fusion. If a dance fusion is supposed to be 30 mins no matter what, can you explain how he de-fused quicker when he became ssj3?

[@rickydiscord7671]

@@beastunleashed657 and I just told you a reason. it seems you didn't care about the answer. so why are you repeating yourself?

[@rickydiscord7671]

@@beastunleashed657 SSJ3 was unstable at the time. because of how fast it drains you. there for he was going 100% making his time run shorter much faster. if that's not a good enough answer. than I don't know what is.

[@beastunleashed657]

@@rickydiscord7671 would that not also apply for SSB Gogeta?

[@dekarot5990]

I'm not sure if this count but would another con for potara be the earrings themselves. Reason I say that is because of the Goku vs Kefla fight in the tournament of power his last attack broke the earrings causing Kefla to defuse. So would the fusion also have to make sure the enemy doesn't go for the earrings also during the fight to defuse the fusion?

[@Thylos]

my take on vegito blue is that he went all out beyond his limits, and that shortened the time limit, while gogeta was basically playing with broly, and did not reach 100% of his power

[@VixYW]

And all of THAT not being 100% of his power should be telling enough...

[@Thylos]

@@VixYW super power scaling 🙃

[@therealsongoku4312]

​@@Thylos Gogeta blue was two arcs away from Zamasu I believe, which gives them tons of more time to master ssb. Whis even told goku and vegeta that they leak too much energy when they fight

[@paenzz]

@@therealsongoku4312 im pretty sure it was said that the broly movie was after top so youre right on that also youre also right on the ssjb part vegito didnt have as much mastery over blue in the gb saga as gogeta in the movie which made him lose alot of ki (and fusion time)

[@Alassandros]

Correction: Vados said the portara grants a (A + B) x *TENS* That means it can be anywhere from the sum multiplied 20x to 90x.

[@megusta9045]

Yardrat techniques have been shown time and time again to be above those of the Kai's. Fusion will always be better in my book.

[@NonAryanDuck]

I dont think one of the fusees having to lower their power affects the overall power of the fusion. It's not like it was ever stated or implied that they lose that chunk of power once they fuse. Good video, though. Keep them coming.

[@CoolOkay_]

True, I think it's just a prerequisite of fusion, but there's never anything stating that it affects the outcome.

[@lancekemal8989]

Z manga and DBS prove Vegito is stronger anyway so that argument is really not even a factor

[@CoolOkay_]

@@lancekemal8989 Only elder kai says Potara's stronger, but at the same time, elder kai is bias since the supreme kais think mortals are inferior in every way, except shin. Second, he apparently doesn't know as much about potara as we thought since Gowasu was more knowledgeable.

[@lancekemal8989]

@@CoolOkay_ No actually Elder Kai says that Vegito is far stronger than a regular fusion. And this is actually supported by statements made about Kefla in DBS by Whis Beerus too. So their is litterally no argument anyone can ever make for the characters being equal. Even if people wanna use Akira's statements implying the techniques are equal it makes no difference at all on the argument. Gogeta has the power of any other fusion relative to his power level but it not the case for Vegito. Vegito is more powerful and always has been

[@rickydiscord7671]

@@lancekemal8989 who gives a damn who's stronger. the real matter is who can last longer. if you say V only because of power. than you don't really know what you are talking about. anime, manga and this video. states the stronger the host the more the earrings well not hold. dance well be 30 minutes no matter how strong or weak the host is. earrings, dance fusions and the hola told the same rules. "the more you use your power. the less time you well have." and the earrings are becoming useless at this point of the story. BECAUSE how powerful vegeta and goku are now. even if there god ki was unstable at the time. besides back in Z timeline. if your power is unstable. you well defuse faster. lastly. everyone only knows earring fusion. so they can't really judge what version of fusions is stronger. the real reason why they say the earrings are better. because you can last longer with them. also it doesn't care how weak or strong anyone and anything is. it well fuse you and the other anyway. but that doesn't really mean it's stronger. it just has a different time limit than the dance does.

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@effortless4588]

Yoo bro imma binge ur content W vid i think you should get into Tokuchi Toua from One Outs, he will make for great scenarios in your vids on intelligence.

[@shinmazingerzmortalkombat12]

So... To find out which fusion is stronger, it all depends on the form you use against an enemy. Makes sense. It's no wonder we see Vegito and Gogeta appearing more often in Dragon Ball Heros. Vegito appearing the most

[@OnlySayori]

i mean...vegito is stronger but gogeta wins cause of more time...the only major boost vegito have would from the stupid "rival boost" or whatever that vegito has

[@shinmazingerzmortalkombat12]

@@OnlySayori Hmph

[@OnlySayori]

@@shinmazingerzmortalkombat12 i mean, goku and vegeta's power level CANT be that much different considering there rivals and all, so the boosts from both fusions wouldent be that different, which only leaves the rival boost as the main advantage for vegito, but it still wouldent be enough for him to beat gogeta cause he just has more time

[@shinmazingerzmortalkombat12]

@@OnlySayori More like being cocky

[@Chuck]

lets get it

[@DavidLucian]

It's actually stated in the series that the Potara Earrings is more complete than the Fusion Dance Technique which the old Kaioshin/Elder Kai has told this fact to us. The Fusion Dance requires both people to be near the same power level to succeed and is only temporary. The potara earrings don't have this requirement and lasts much longer, so nobody has to lower their power level to fuse. Potara Fusion is a much better choice than Fusion Dance. Buuhan, while not an authority on fusion could easily guestimate the power of Goku and Vegeta's Fusion based on his knowledge of Gotenks. He assumed that Potara worked the same way as fusion and was sorely mistaken. Gogeta's Fusion Dance has a fatal weakness which is a short duration of usage. On the other side, Vegito's Fusion Potara should have permanent effect, only lately on DB Super and DB Heroes, they seem to be able to separate themselves if the two exhausted or fighting for too long. So, the final verdict is only one, both Akira Toriyama and Toei Animations don’t want to compare the two directly. They are a combination of Goku and Vegeta, two strongest Saiyans, who are equally strong. Vegito>=Gogeta (they are pretty much equals) End of debate. In some short conclusion they are like the symbol of Yin&Yang☯️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@scarletevans4474]

About Potara: Maybe it's second option (2), but the number doesn't necessarily have to be x10, i.e. it can change, for example based on the latent potential that someone have? It would make sense that it draws out some of that potential and increase KI density in some way.

[@the2nddestroyer687]

11:51 - 12:32 Wait someone explain how Vegitos 40 minutes is a shorter time than Gogetas 30 minutes (Don't even know for sure if he was in the fusion for that long) and how fusion dance would be better if it was a drawn out fight? Also not entirely sure but the mastery Goku and Vegeta have over a form would impact how long a fusion is able to last. That's most likely why Gogeta was able to last as long as he did and Vegito wasn't able to last as long as an hour.

[@elcrakcultraporxchara3260]

Its literally stated in the manga how vegito lasted less agaisnt zamas because of the uncontrolled SSB burning so much power.

[@angelosgames9960]

I think its Stability, Considering Potara doesn't require you to lower your Power, it exceeds Fusion Dance but the Fusion required an Item and Fusion Dance do not also I don't know if this count but If the Earrings was destroyed they defuse like what happened to Kelfa in the Anime but I really don't know if that counts. Fusion Dance requires you to be at the same power and perfectly perform it correctly so that means over all It has more Balance while Potara is not cause if we really look at Both Gogeta and Vegito, Vegito Unleashed 1 powerful attack and defused after while Gogeta literally used Stardust Exploder and Ultimate Kamehameha in Blue yet didn't defuse and even stop Frieza as well.

[@NuchaReviews]

THE GOAT IS BACK

[@TheSteezerMan]

Not starting a war here but hear me out. Gogeta would be more affective based on both fights the fusions were used. Vegito let off a spirit sword and a Final Kamehameha in Blue and defused due to using energy. With Gogeta, he was spamming energy blasts in both forms and even amped up the amount of power output. He let let out a meteor explosion, Kamehameha, Soul punisher, and much more. IMO Gogeta would just be more affective. And he did half of those in blue.

[@anywaays6992]

I still can’t believe Gohan didn’t catch the earring

[@shadowsansvii8715]

Vegito has always been better. It’s just the bias people feel for Gogeta that make them think they are equal now. Think about it. It’s been stated time and time again in guidebooks for Dragon Ball. Potara is always better. Every statement for the fusion dance you can find has some issue with it. The modern one that says they are equal matches trump cards comes from an unreliable source. Not that the guidebooks don’t get anything wrong but what do you think is more reliable? Guidebooks designed for DB or a magazine that has to cover multiple anime’s. I hope you choose to be intellectually honest about that. Overall, Vegito is just more powerful. He’s not a troll who messed around either, if you still think that in 2024. I can’t take you seriously. You can like Gogeta more, but Vegito wins in a fight. And there is nothing Gogeta stans can do about it. Vegito supremacy.

[@theflashfan3234]

Lmao you're the one crying about it. And imagine trying to invoke "intellectual honesty", but then disregarding recent statements in favor of ones that have been outdated and overwritten on several other topics as well 😂😂😂

[@shadowsansvii8715]

@@theflashfan3234 disregarding recent statements? Really? You mean the equal trump cards one I already addressed? There isn’t any other recent ones. The Potara statements have not been retconned by any reliable source. This is why I bring up intellectual dishonesty. You’re lying at this point. Show these other statements if they actually exist. And when was I crying? It’s ironic that you’re the only one who has emoji’s on your texts with tears coming from them. Read what you post before you post it. Lmao.

[@Hooliganken17]

Dbs fusion dance misconception need to be studied gogeta was on movie time and he was the main point of the movie so no he wasn’t gonna unfused on top of that we have no idea how long that fight took place since they fight at massive speeds 😭saying he don’t have a fatigued to his timer from his forms is just disingenuous u can literally say since he knows bout the timer burner out faster that’s y he started off slow and ain’t bust out blue until he went for the win

[@ogdoom5238]

Never seen vegito actually win a fight but I've seen gogeta win 2/3

[@Hooliganken17]

@@ogdoom5238 …ok? 💀

[@ultrabusterninja9424]

@@ogdoom5238lmao and? Context matters

[@hueyfreeman9094]

​@@ogdoom5238 first fight was a mission to distract buuhan, not kill him, second fight, zamasu was immortal and fused with the timeline so it wouldn't have mattered

[@40088922]

imo, Dragon Ball had 2 major blunders: one was Goku never having even an indirect interaction with Bardock (rectified in Super now, but again, I'm talking about DB, not the cartoons or Super) and not having a more clear-cut answer to the strength of fusions. I'm not saying they should've told us "X is stronger than Y" (though I wouldn't complain either) but at least the basic equation for the power levels

[@tiexiaowang7939]

The A x B formula never made sense and was clearly done by someone unfamiliar with math. When you multiple two numbers with the same unit, the result is a totally different concept. 10 meter times 10 meter is 100 SQUARE meters. So unless the guidebook literally meant that Potara gave a new dimension to the power of fusion, the formula is BS. It is problematic even if we just take the multiplicated number without units. The question is, which power level unit? A x B for Freeza force power level units differs greatly from A x B for Babidi's Kili units. I know the Freeza force one is taken as the default in the series, but why would the gods' instrument be based on Freeza force's power units?

[@ToasterXD]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUU-SION-HA🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@AventSir]

🗣🗣

[@6Angello1]

"I wont lose to someone who fuses using such a dumb dance"🗣🗣💯💯🔥🔥

[@Blazeinferno1000]

The goat is here

[@Monkes23]

Fusion dance touches finger tips, potara touches other tips.

[@phoenixraven5692]

Toriyama himself said that they're equal.

[@mothrax2672]

When ? I'm curious cuz I always thought Vegito was stronger. (Gogeta still better tho)

[@Kingphoenixbeats]

He also forgot his transformation and made a character out of bubble gum. This is our show we make the rules now. 🫡🫡🫡

[@blackvalio4060]

Thats a blatant lie and no there is nothing in cannon thats retcons the difference in power

[@FishFlowFN]

When?

[@PhantomZone15]

​@@Kingphoenixbeatsnah

[@VegitoFanBoi]

10:29 he didn't fight in base, he jumped to SSJ after dodging a few blasts. 10:36 he didn't defeat broly, broly is literally still alive, besides you can say he overpowered broly🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mookymookymooo]

Great vid! Have you considered getting a sibilance filter in front of your mic? Some of your esses are coming through quite harsh

[@MrWescottX]

Nice video this early morning

[@ranware2779]

I could care less about the retcon. Vegito is #1 gogeta is #2 potara is the stronger fusion simpla as that. As far as power. Did vegeta and kakarot not go to yardrat and learn control? Or am i lost here.

[@rickydiscord7671]

he was saying. because back at Z. if your power's unstable. you well defuse faster. like how ssj3 wasn't mastered and how fast it drains you. and in super anime vegeta and goku didn't master god ki yet. so it still count as unstable. that's also why they defuse fast. he didn't say the two different fusions were weaker and stronger than the other. the real match is actually who well last longer in the fight. V has a longer time limit because of the earrings. that gives him a win.

[@AzaiaMonota]

Fusion Dance with Metamo-Rings is the ultimate form of fusion

[@RarePotions]

Imagine if Beast Gohan and Broly fused... they would EASILY become one the the strongest beings in all of existence, Brohan would be NUTS!

[@toniluna4597]

Vegito the strongest one, they had to nerf him down😂

[@giannivttr]

Gogeta has always, in my eyes, proven that he was the superior fusion. I wasn’t proved wrong ever since he was shown.

[@GlorifiedDBZ]

yosha

[@dcs2390]

Mid

[@shadowsansvii8715]

Then you need to get your eyes checked. You’ve been proven wrong a million times.

[@giannivttr]

@@shadowsansvii8715 when. Show me.

[@Manus_0813]

@@shadowsansvii8715 Vegito NEVER won and always disappeared when he was needed most , he’s the definition of a choker 😂

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

4:02 I thought it was (A × B) × Y. I thought I remember them saying "The fusion is A × B, then is multiplied several fold". I don't remember if they said a specific number, they probably didn't. It might have been Gowasu who said it. These numbers don't make sense to me, though. Multiplication is very powerful, and it seems like they're throwing multipliers around like it's addition, or percentages under 100%.

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

5:27 Oh, that's where that several fold line was.

[@j.a.g816]

gogeta said the line to frieza

[@FrostyTheNightmare]

Though Potara gives a much stronger effect when used, if a strong enough form is shown off it greatly decreases the time of that fusion. Whereas the fusion dance does give a strong increase in power, but not as much as potara, the good thing with it is that the fusion will always last 30 minutes.

[@THEFAUCIVACCINE]

If this was DBZ potara then that would’ve been the superior fusion. But Dragon Ball Super exists and nerfed potara into oblivion so this topic is irrelevant. Vegito literally only lasted a couple of minutes against fused zamasu. If current Goku and Vegeta were to fuse via potara they would diffuse within seconds because of power scaling reasons. Earrings are absolutely useless now and only useful if the users are weak. Fusion is a GUARANTEED 30 minutes regardless of the power level. There topic over.

[@rickydiscord7671]

by the end of the day. if you are god tier. the fusion dance is still as useful as ever. even IF it's weaker. it's STILL 30 minutes. the battle is about who would last longer rather who's stronger.

[@LostEnding_]

Even in dbz the timer was a thing it was never a nerf they just explained what happened later on

[@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek]

The thing is with the strongest forms thing is that goku didn't use ssj3 in their small fight with buuhan and according the al mango guidebook he would be equal to buuhan.

[@blessedxxiii8908]

super buu without any absorptions would still beat goku lol buuhan is pretty much overkill at that point in time goku even states this when inside of buu

[@omegahtv6779]

Very informative video bruh, very.

[@BenaceThe_T]

1:23 not a retcon because it still works with them defusing. it was never a fact that they defused because if the atmosphere, they just assumed it

[@JARMIDz]

You could’ve just used data book statements, which directly say like 10+ times that potara is straight up better. Vegito and kefla are different, as kefla doesn’t have a rival boost. You didn’t understand why vegito defused in the anime. You even used non canon material with the fusion dance, and didn’t do the same for potara. Ngl DB is not your domain bro

[@bigpapan.g3245]

Hey m8, please reconsider your word choice when being constructive. Providing sourced content would probably be really good for the KZbinr to view and make a follow-up correction vid on. Part of learning DB for newcomers is to be wrong and corrected on DB. We are all developing in different franchises. Even after applying more concrete evidence, many fans of the franchise will disagree, especially with DB’s bigger arguements. The verses Big 5 come to mind: - Dabura vs Cell - Buuhan vs Kid Buu - Dance vs Potara - FP Jiren vs FP Broly - UI Goku vs Beast Gohan (tbd, might not have the same longevity as the others).

[@JARMIDz]

@@bigpapan.g3245 my guy, all prominent power scalers agree on there being a winner to all of these things that you mentioned. The only actual thing still being debated is buuhan vs kid buu. Idk why you wrote all of this like this, but potara vs metamoran fusion is a long gone topic, most people know potara is just better in general, again, there is no joke like 10+ data book statements that straight up day potara is the superior type of fusion, with vegito’s dialogue, and grand kai’s dialogue being further confirmation. I can show you the scans if you want

[@bigpapan.g3245]

@@JARMIDz all the prominent power scalers also recognize why these 5 are so heavily debated and the reasons and evidence for both sides. Idc about your scans on potara, there are ways to provide info, but telling someone that _a franchise is not their domain_ comes off as a way to exclude them from participating. I am only asking you to reconsider your word choice, I’m not sure how the content creator will interpret it. People are less likely to be constructive if they interpret something negatively. Very circumstantial to the individual. In the end this is just a passionate fictional debate. Yes, you have valid points and evidence, but I’m directing this to recognize being inclusive of new fans. *Idgaf about debating any of those 5 I listed with you.* I only stated them cause they are hot debated topics in the franchise.

[@JARMIDz]

@@bigpapan.g3245 power scales? I wouldn’t really agree with your first point. Accept for again, buuhan vs kid buu, because of differences between the anime and manga. Other wise these debates have been settled like a long time ago, because again, most DB power scalers universally agree on the results of these fights Not at all, my comment was so he makes more research, it wasn’t made as a ways of exclusion. I made it to tell him what he missed in a brief manner, that is all Of course I would be inclusive to new fans, but this video presents miss information about potara vs metamoran, so I just pointed it out, which is a good thing, I don’t understand how you’re seeing it as bad

[@bigpapan.g3245]

@@JARMIDz _NGL comprehension is not your domain bro_

[@donsauyce9156]

In terms of preference, potara. I like the earrings, original outfits, and I like Vegito. In terms of which is stronger, I’d say potara again. Some say the power lowering is just a prerequisite but that feels like the less likely assumption unless there has been actual statements regarding that, and then there’s the rival boost. As for the official statements trying to say they’re just equal, that’s a boring cop out

[@marufhasan417]

but the dbz manga says that vegito is stronger . they did that to make the fans happy.

[@Nmoment-uv6jc]

Those "official" statements were written by people outside the series, it was just an editor giving his opinion. Every time Akira Toriyama gave information to a reliable source, potara is put as the superior method

[@israelmendes9322]

Another con of potara is that you need the potara first of all. If your opponent destroy it you lose, but the fusion you just need your body and technique

[@SaiyanScholar]

Love this video Avent! Are you able to DM on Twitter, just wanted to ask a few Q's! Thans man

[@justajojofan7296]

Tbh i always understood the potara being superior because: 1: All you need to do is put the earrings on 2: Two people can fuse no matter how different they are 3: Theres no need to power down to fuse So thats why the potara is superior. Because its easier to use and has less restrictions

[@wilbertwynnacanete4851]

Vegito is definitely stronger. I say this because he toys a lot with his opponent all the time due to that overwhelming confidence of his. The usual result is an unfinished fight. While Gogeta is a more serious fighter and doesn't mess around and knows very well his own limitations when it comes to a fight. I think he is aware of the time limit as well to get things done before that happens. Mentally Gogeta wins. Arrogantly Vegito is top notch at it.

[@clevercart79]

Gogeta fans just like shirtless men

[@toner3566]

ok that's actually kinda funny

[@Gamer_g.o.a.t.59]

They only like him cause he can win a fight😂

[@kzg_veritas12]

Yes

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content ❤❤❤❤

[@marutafrfx8910]

always remember, Goku was seconds before fusing with Hercule xD

[@ZeretriItares]

I ain't taking any arguments, Gogeta better, Gogeta GOAT 🗿

[@dusk5744]

that’s why he’s GOATgeta

[@saulgoodmanskin]

@@dusk5744That’s Vegeta’s nickname☠️☠️ Gogeta ain’t got one🤣🫵

[@saulgoodmanskin]

Vegito >>

[@ZeretriItares]

@@saulgoodmanskin 1. That's Gogeta's nickname 💀 2. The angel born in hell is definitely more hype than someone yelling yoshaaaaaaaaaaaa 💀

[@ZeretriItares]

@@saulgoodmanskin Also, Who? vegerot? 😂

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

ssb vegito (vs. zamasu) > beerus > current goku > ssb fraudgeta (vs. broly) potara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[@ryanscanlon2151]

When people talk about these fusions people only look at what has happened so far and dont look to the future. The fusion dance i beleive will eventually be able to surpass the potara. The potara as an object have a limited capacity for the power it can output before the fusion ends as we have seen. However as a technique the fusion dance could be trained and improved over time, i beleive it can with enough training surpass the potara

[@pikkonot]

never expected this kind of video from avent

[@AsperaTM]

This is a bunch of head canon, lowering PL doesn't make you weaker. Trunks defeated Frieza force with a suppressed PL of 5. Potara was never stronger than fusion, old kai said "better"

[@MajestiBrown]

2:47 It’s crazy how “It doesn’t hurt that they live to outdo each other” means “the potaro magically detects that they’re rivals and adds a rival boost” to some people.

[@onthedre]

I hope they retcon fusion again, make it so if they want to stay fused they will, but only to an extent and for a purpose, like an extra 10-20 minutes.

[@wheresmygrasses1549]

I think Gogeta only lasted longer because he fought a weaker and beatable enemy so he exerted less power. Furthermore Goku & Vegeta’s mastery and control of blue is much higher since the Goku Black Arc. Otherwise Vegito would last longer because of his already longer time limit.

[@cinemamadness6920]

For Vegeto to beat Gogeta, he would have to finish the fight within seconds before he defuses, meanwhile Gogeta has 30 min. Gogeta wins.

[@thallium8148]

And here i was thinking it goes like this : (A+B)*10 - potara 2(A or B)*10 - successful fusion, where the power getting multiplied is either A or B whichever is weaker since they need to match And if failure : ((A or B)/2)*10 instead plus some physical issues

[@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek]

it depends on the version were using because pre recon potara fusion timer is forever also depends if the environment has things such buus body compound which forced the fusion to defuse if not then gogeta can take it same thing goes vegito viscera it all depends on the arc & circumstance and continuity.

[@marufhasan417]

why would u put a baby against a adult ??? one arc before vegito is much weaker than one arc after gogeta . i mean so much . future trunks saga vegito can't beat jiren but broly saga gogeta will no diff jiren . so they are just a baby and an adult . but same saga vegito is stronger than gogeta .if u can't agree then u are just biased fan.

[@richerdos1121]

Imo the fusions are just separated by the utility. You need high strength? Potara Fusion. You need to fight for longer? Fusion Dance. Subjectively, I like Vegitos appearance more.

[@Eunro_bc]

only 26K subs?? u deserve 1 million.

[@Alonzone]

Note: Gogeta is the only fusion to actually kill someone, canonically or otherwise.

[@Legendary_Coder2024]

By Vados in super talks about the potara we can consider, that the Fusion Formula For Potara is no longer AXB The new Potara Fusion is basically A + B X12 Vados says : The two Fused beings are the Sum of the Fuser's Power mulitplied by a Dozen Times over (meaning a dozen= 12)

[@Legendary_Coder2024]

and in a Shonen Jump Magazine for Super broly.. It was stated by akira and Toryotaro, that if Gogeta where to swap with Vegito.. They both would be equaly the same outcome. Gogeta base = Vegito Base Gogeta's ssj = Vegito's ssj Gogeta's ssj2 = Vegito's ssj 2 Gogeta Blue = Vegito ssj blue

[@Legendary_Coder2024]

if Vegeta and Goku had to be the same exact Power up as eachother to fuse for Metamorian, then that means in Movie for broly movie... Goku and Vegeta's base power's are both equal.

[@Legendary_Coder2024]

goku and vegeta arent stronger than eachother in movie... cuz its the movie

[@kiritokun9256]

if i aint wrong when the dbs broly film came out there was a poster or sum like that where toriyama (or someone in charge of DB) stated that Gogeta and Vegito are great assets with equal strength.

[@BLOODY__FATALITY]

I don't even really watch Dragon Ball like that but I remember in a episode of Dragon Ball Z Kai that the power of the fusion of multiplied by 10 if potaras are used. In other words, Vegito has 10 times the strength of Gogeta. They mentioned a multipluer for fusion in general as well but I can't remember. I think their combined power was doubled. But either way, Vegito gets that 10x multiplier since he's a potara fusion.

[@RobertLoyale]

Tbh vegito being retcon messed it up. If being joined for life means you gain their abilities and potential, and vegeta’s potential is better than Goku - than training would be extremely beneficial

[@Skye-Central]

I say Goku and Vegeta defused from Potara so quickly is due to inexperience with fusion more than anything else, they didn't do much to modulate their power as Vegito Blue against Merged Zamsu, when they became Gogeta against Broly they knew going in all guns blazing would end their fusion quickly. If they ever have another chance with Vegito, they would not make the same mistake against Zamasu, they would do more to not burn through the fusion as quickly.

[@thefallen2220]

Also they didn't perfect SSB yet so they were outputting too much energy

[@ryanjagpal123]

With Gogeta you can fuse at anytime but you can easily mess it up, while Vegito you can fuse but you’d need to actually carry the earrings but obviously don’t let Goku be responsible of carrying them

[@Chuuniboy]

I forgot which chapter but someone states that the potara is the “Perfect Fusion”

[@Yashahiro_]

In my opinion, Vegito and Gogeta are the exact same character. It’s true you need matching power levels to do the fusion dance, but thats ONLY for the dance. You will still have the power of Goku and Vegeta at the end of it and could power up to full strength

[@flamer6566]

Both are cool af, we don't need to debate which one ist stronger, just let us appreciate both

[@slick_anonymous1126]

It would be interesting where they are now in the manga if they fused. One uses Ultra Instinct while the other Uses Ultra Ego, I wonder if they fused would it be a combination of the two or one or the other.

[@Lez1c]

Anyone as a kid imagine what would have happened if vegeta and goku put on the potaras while preforming the fusion dance?

[@weakestanyaenjoyer4616]

The way I see it is potara’s raw power exceeds fusion dance, as both fusees can be at maximum power. However, seeing that potara can run out sooner if it uses more power while fusion dance will have the consistent 30 minute timer, anything below ssg I give to vegito (besides ss3 bc of the energy/stamina drain) and anything above that (blue, blue kaioken/evo if the fusion warriors ever used them, and any form of ui or ue) the fusion wins due to them outlasting the potara. Ik this isn’t a Gogeta vs vegito video but that’s just how I see it

[@CMiddlebrook2010]

Is Base Form Cabba or any forms of his displayed from the TOP stronger than Rage Trunks? Can Cabba max powered solo Fused Zambazu🤔. I want to understand power scaling

[@malakai_adam]

Personally i wish we just had the potara in the story, but that it required an equal level of strength and provided the vest like metamoran fusion. The time limit mechanic is neither here nor there, as it could easily be solved via dues ex machina like in the original cannon, and i never really feel like it is used to add tension during the fight.

[@V.KaiserX]

The real question isn’t how strong Potara is for me, the real question for me is how strong is that DAMN Rival Boost lmao. They basically said Vegito is stronger then gokan simply because of it and the vegito at that time was using a vegeta that was 1 stage weaker than ssj3 and 2 stages weaker than ultimate since ultimate was stronger then ssj3. So for vegito to be said stronger than gokan because of “Rival Boost” then that means Rival Boost has to be at LEAST half of Vegito’s strength “a.k.a 100% of Vegito is (50% the power gained from goku and vegeta and 50% Rival Boost) to make full Vegito BARE MINIMUM.

[@V.KaiserX]

This makes me want to use fusion dance even more since famitsu also said that they’re “equal in power” and if they are, then I would benefit from the fusion dance more since I KNOW FOR A FACT that I don’t have no rival that’s on the same lvl of rivalry as Goku and Vegeta so I’ll turn out to be a weaker fusion using potara 😂

[@V.KaiserX]

Also to make it more simple for vegito to be “stronger” than gokan, ima write it in simple number form. if what they say is true in the buu saga, then ima say (“1” is vegeta, “2” is goku, “3” is gohan. 1 + 2 = “3” which would be vegito’s(No Rival Boost) powerlvl while 2 + 3 = “5” which would be gokan’s powerlvl. So for Vegito to be said stronger than gokan, he will need to get too “6” or higher which would be DOUBLE his powerlvl at the moment which have to mean that half of vegito’s strength comes from plain Rival Boost.

[@fluffygargos7066]

The whole "rival boost" thing is simply the Elder Kai saying that since Goku and Vegeta had trained to surpass each other their honed in fighting skills and experience are then combined when they fuse making them a more efficient fighter than if Goku and a rusty Gohan had fused. A lot of people seem to think it's an actual "boost" in power but it was just a phrase the Kai used to describe Goku's and Vegeta's dynamic and how it would translate to their merger thus meaning it applies to Gogeta as well.

[@Sagegabs]

I agree that with the fusion dance the stronger fighter has to lower his power level but in th case of Vegeta and Goku they've been on par with each other for a long time un their base form. So even if one is stronger than the other it wouldn't matter that much...

[@Prodig3yXunleashed]

"Vegito got a bigger boost because of whats known as a rival boost, they're stronger together because they're rivals. This is a thing because uhm.. well because reasons ☝🤓"