On the Wrist, from off the Cuff: WwRR - Ep. 20; SPB143 ‘62MAX’ vs. SPB187 ‘MM200’ $1K Seiko Battle

[@JeffreyMcMahon]

I agree these are the best that Seiko has to offer. I've been collecting Seikos for 10 years and my SBDC125 Steel MM200 is my favorite ever. I may have to get your blue dial 127. I've already sold 2 watches for to fund a 127. Thanks for the excellent comparison.

[@jimmyv.495]

McMahon-----Is the SBDC125 in a higher tier than your SBDC51 or SBDC061 or the Blue hole version???? Does the 125 beat the Tunas also? Thanks Man. "Everyone wanna be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody wanna lift them heavy a$$ weights"---Ronnie Coleman

[@JeffreyMcMahon]

@@jimmyv.495 if I had to have only one watch, it would be 125 or 127.

[@jimmyv.495]

@@JeffreyMcMahon Good to know. Just watched your SOC video after posting my question. The 125 and 127 with a Tuna would make a nice Tripleplay collection. Or the 125 and 127 with 2 Tunas would make a nice Grandslam collection. Of course a solar G Shock with atomic time is a nice final touch

[@kikomachine8276]

So happy for you getting the SPB187 Jeff! I'm enjoying mine!

[@mikescott6097]

Thoughts on the spb323?

[@scanspeak00]

2 years after this was posted I just ordered the grey SPB143. Super happy!

[@kikomachine8276]

The SPB143 is a dressier piece... The SPB187 is more of a tool piece... I am blessed to have both of this and the Willard X. They are all gorgeous! Its a Seiko trinity for Seikopaths! 😊

[@darshansardesai6537]

Been told Willard X is super cool and wears better overall. 63mas Vs mm200 Vs Willard X choices at the moment ! 6.4inch wrist and rocking a skx now

[@desireless4092]

Imma sucker for the 143. It just looks so stylish and subtle at the same time.

[@danielmercado9035]

Both on my wish list. It would be closer if MM200 R was black dial, but the classic clean lines of 62 MAS and that Grey dial put it over the top. I love it, 2022 goal.

[@cityslacker6221]

I looooove my sbdc101 so much. I prefer every detail on it over the MM. And the funny thing about it to me is that I was in love with the MM300 for years and wanted one, but it looked ridiculous on my 6.5" wrist. The 101 just left me stunned when I first saw it and your initial video was the last bit of research I did on it before purchasing it. I love the dial, the case shape, the fine edge bezel, the polishing, the Diashield, and the three o'clock bezel. And it has been awesome on the Uncle Seiko tropic strap as well as its bracelet. cool vid man! keep up the good work. you have a good eye for detail, solid delivery and great camera work.

[@dennishudnall9009]

Awesome vid on covering these two amazing pieces! I am late to the Seiko collecting game but able to get these pieces at a lower price not that they have been out for a few years. I just purchased the MM200 and cant wait to get it!

[@khronokraze]

Spot on. Although both you could say have Seiko design DNA, I'd say the "62max" is more indicative of the styling of the dive watch masses around the 60s. Where as the "mm200" has more Seiko design cues that stand out to this very day... case sculpt and 4 o'clock crown to name just a couple off the top of my head. I thought I could be happy with just the "62max" as my one definitive Seiko dive watch. But, I do believe I will need a "mm200" also. Both very comparable, but different enough to not feel an unjustified overlap. I hope that makes sense and I said that correctly. Yes, I could be completely with both. Have my current SBDC105 Cappuccino Gilt dial now and add the sbdc127 blue dial later. Brown and blue dials will be very complimentary to each other. And, I know the WCWC NATO strap that could work on both.

[@Zed_Solo_RS]

I searched spb143 vs spb083 and didn’t expect to actually find exactly the comparison I wanted. Thanks for this video. Seeing them side by side was what I needed. 143 for me.

[@manuel_winde]

Same here, I searched it and was like “oh!?” 😄 I’ve owned the spb143 and it’s really great, a perfect strap monster too- I took it to Crete on holiday with a grey nato, olive nato, orange nato, brown leather strap and bracelet. Felt like I had 3-4 watches.

[@tywinn5786]

Sitting here staring at my SPB149 and SBDC133. Both are the best Seiko drivers at the $1K range. Thanks for the video.

[@maxp5422]

Spb149 has become my fav watch such I nice fit I'd say even looks more expensive than it is

[@timefliesby-jleo474]

I’m stuck on which one to get

[@skyboss74]

Both are absolutely gorgeous! I recently received my SBDC127 and I love it! In fact, it’s rapidly becoming the favorite in my watch collection. Love the video, too!

[@private464]

Both are great, but I'd go with the sunburst grey spb143. The sunburst grey is a special dial. Halios Seaforth make a good sunburst grey dial too. Love that colorway.

[@mk4371]

Great Review . I have both 101 and 127 and they are excellent. Get them you will not regret!

[@1968jpy]

Both are amazing in their own way but I do believe I’d lean to the MM 200 . That blue dial and the finishing and lines is amazing. I own the sbdc033 Sumo/Blumo and that’s my favorite watch in my collection. Thanks for sharing great video.

[@khalifa2080]

I have spb143j1, what a celestial watch. Worth every penny. Looks way more expensive than Acutual cost, single tone gives elegant look. much Better than Swiss overpriced watches.

[@tilio9380]

I have to say, the side by side comparison really helps a lot! Interestingly, the MM200 is the wider, thinner watch of the two on paper but their looks are the direct opposite to their paper stats! The MM200 case really makes it appear chunkier than it is while the wide bezel and stick indices makes the 62MAS looks very expansive from the top. This might be the most difficult decision one has to make choosing a Seiko!

[@tilio9380]

God I really wish Seiko had put the smaller links of the 62MAS bracelet on the MM200!

[@jimmyv.495]

@@tilio9380 I like the differences between the 2 because I can rationalize getting both. The 143 has that classic diver tool watch look. And the 187 has that modern diver dressy watch look. When these start getting discounted 25% or more, I am all in on both. Under a $1000 and these are a steal for what you get.

[@dhhjsjzjzjjhsjsjh]

I keep going back and forth on these. I own a first gen Sumo that frankly doesn’t get much wrist time due to size. I feel like the MM200 is a little too similar to that but in a smaller package. The spb143 is super classy. I just can’t decide on the grey vs brown sunburst dials, gilt or no gilt etc… and I’ve gone and looked at them all in person too

[@marctravismba]

I have the 62MAX/SBDC101 and I absolutely love it, and I'm not really a Seiko guy. I came here interested in the MM200 and it's really nice, but still not sure if the larger case and L2L will work for me, as I'm transitioning to smaller watches. That blue dial really pops, though.

[@jh-il5sb]

watching this video and wearing my sbdc051.......it scratches my itch for both of these two watches, especially the spb143

[@simonwright6882]

These are also my pick of the current offerings from seiko. The 143 Is my 1st pick, but there could be room for both.

[@nathanielbrice8725]

Love both of these watches! Am saving for the MM200 but kids needs are making it slow going!

[@arturoortizcontreras2520]

I own the SPB143 and when comparing it to my old SKX007, I can see why Seiko is on the right way.

[@unnamedhero5111]

i wish they will replace hardlex with sapphire for 400-500$ models as well.

[@Anton-oy3vm]

If you guys had to choose just one between the two, which one would it be? I'm considering those two, the willard SPB183 and the willard SPB237

[@doifeellucky]

I’d personally get the SPB147, but good comparison.

[@olemanolete1]

I will go for the sbdc143 since I currently own the sbdc063 which I like so much , nice reviews congrats and regards from sunny México

[@engineer_wannabe]

Great comparison! I just picked up the SPB185 🙂 Honestly, save for the QC issues (mine has a couple), I don't know how you could beat it. The 6159 case design is so beautiful!

[@garyk8285]

I agree. Dial looks better on 62MAX. Case design is more Seiko design language which I prefer also on the MM200. Not sure I'm a fan of blue dial and Black bezel colour combo, nor that 3 o'clock marker next to the date which is off to the side. But it's minor, but enough to not make me upgrade. Mm200 needs a sunburst grey dial, and a date window/border, then I'm all in getting it. For now will probably stick with my SBDC061. As much as I like both of these watches, for the price difference I'd want it near perfection to my tastes. If I had to choose between either, maybe 101. MM200 is more masculine though.

[@deej9367]

I was sold on the mm200 but I'm liking the 62mas in gilt. Gnomon has them with the bracelet.

[@whodeycinbengals]

Just picked up the 143 yesterday. Not the easiest watch to find right now and I paid full retail, but I am absolutely in love

[@davidmullineaux6157]

Spb143 or samurai king white dial was my top 2 choices. Bought the samurai for 1/2 the price. Happy w my choice.

[@Renewable_energy-xl6jq]

I got a spb187 just like the one up there the 1968 heritage edition.. I rarely take em off my wrist.. Very comfy and good for all occasions.

[@bryanryan4504]

I agree. I have both STO versions of these, spb297 and spb299. They are my best looking and wearing watches perhaps out of all my collection of different brands.

[@RedwoodAggie]

Oh man, both are absolutely beautiful. I love both! I would love to see that blue on the SPB14x series. They really should expand that line some more. I am bummed the 149 was limited. I really need to get to an A.D. and try both on, as well as the new Willard. I've not been in a watch store since before the pandemic.

[@timmanion7459]

Definitely partial to the spb143. I have a sla 037 in my collection and the apb143 mimics it pretty well. Overall , good video. 1 question. You mentioned Carrington Cove so you must be in the northwest. I am as well . If you ever have time , reach out . I've been collecting 50 yrs or so and always like talking to watch guys . Caught the watch bug in the military when issued my first dive watch . Anyway, good video. Thanx

[@JP-lf6zl]

Same here, my first watch was when I was in the Army - Seiko 6309 diver from the PX.

[@ErikS-]

Off course I would chose the left SPB143. Why? Because it looks so great that I bought it immediately when it came available.

[@stileshumphrey4195]

I’m a sucker for blue dials 😍

[@manuel_winde]

Me too but not sure I like the black bezel, would have preferred a matching or dark blue bezel I think

[@youplab00m]

I’d take the MM200, but with the grey dial, framed date window, and dome crystal of the 62MAX...

[@chrisgravel7157]

Both two of Seikos best. Great job pointing out the differences in fit and design. All the 62 mas reissues wear bigger than other modern seikos. Love the new mm200, soo much better than the past version. Honestly think the mm200 handset should also find its way to the larger 62 mas models - so much classier than the big arrow their using now. Time to go try that mm200 on my only fear is the old one disappeared on my 7.5 inch wrist and felt tiny.

[@humbleOne16]

I have 7,5 inch wrist and please explain me how can 44mm watch disappear on that wrist size?!? Only explanation would be if you are used to wear diesel watches which are over 50mm in diameter, then yes, 44mm can look small :P

[@chrisgravel7157]

@@humbleOne16 No Diesel, G- Shocks, Victorianox Inox Pro, Omega Seamaster Chrono etc in my past or in my collection. Compared to the Sumo or even my Seamaster the MM200 feels small and doesn't have near the visual impact I would expect for its dimensions. Try it on next to Sumo or Turtle,or SBDC 053 and it feels surprisingly delicate. But thats just me or maybe not? Clearly others are having second thoughts as I have never seen so many barey worn new model Seikos on Craigslist as the new MM200 Steelmaster.

[@javak810i]

Last time i was this early I saw some dinaurs. Btw I own the SPB143 and I love it :)

[@sallymonaeh]

I kinda wanna see how they look with the bracelets switched

[@cityslacker6221]

can't do it. the profile cut of the endlink is different. the sbdc101 has a straight cut instead of a curve.

[@mikescott6097]

These two are great, but I think the newest gen of Sumos are in the conversation for the best large diver. SPB323 is my pick

[@julianmoriati4682]

I have both watches. Both are great, but I think the SPB143 is getting a bit more wrist time than the SPB187.

[@williamchan8866]

I have to say no one, regardless of price, can sculpt the case like Seiko can. They really understand a total 3d design. Yes other pricier brands may look more expensive but just concentrate on the sculpt alone….Seiko makes it interesting.

[@AverageBros]

Agreed 💯

[@weispeed]

Completed agreed! They are sized just perfect. Now if it’s even possible to find one with hefty discount... (just wishful thought)

[@atrixmike9049]

That MM42 looks great! Thank you for the comparison.

[@kishore8208]

I like both .the way i decide on which one is simple if im wearing blue i would wear the mm200 blue.if im wearing white or grey the 143 would be appropriate.The only problem in my way thinking is,I wish the date on all seikos including these i wish the date would change bang at midnight.Hearing the satisfying date change click when it turns midnight is what seiko need to focus on.If seikos date changed at bang on midnight i bet the sales of seikos would go through the roof.

[@bieszczaders]

MM200 SBDC133 It is absolutely stunning!

[@jaytpaul]

I love both, but would pick the spb143 all day if I had to choose one.

[@jeremy1038]

15:45 Me: Bless you 15:47 Me: Nice

[@jeid3822]

I love the 62mas for my suit♥✌

[@DicksonBoyz]

My 2 favorite Seikos at this price point.

[@welwellwell71]

Good video. Spb143 is my preference

[@rony7758]

My tought, the 62Mas is a better design but it also make me bored too fast . The MM200 in other hand, will last longer in term of boring episode as a seiko man.

[@jcbsplace]

The comparo we all wanted, cheers

[@johnnguyen7171]

The MM42 would be my choice for the 4-o’clock crown but both are fantastic pieces

[@AcmeRocket]

tough choice... can't decide

[@kettusnuhveli]

I wish they kept the smaller bezel for their 62MAS re-imaginig models... Sadly it was reserved only for the overly priced limited edition models... 😢

[@rossanthony7573]

Where does the "62MAX", "63MAS" nomenclature come from? It makes no sense to me? 6RMAS makes more sense as this one has a 6R movement - as opposed to the 62 movement of the original.

[@AverageBros]

I didn't give it the nickname, just one of the ones that stuck. A Prospex take on the 62MAS, hence the X.

[@samjep2]

Love the grey one

[@chrisg-gg2iu]

Great comparison of 2 of Seikos latest offerings. Last year, I picked up the blue dial SPB149J1/SBDC107, which is the limited edition version of the 62max. The SPB187 MM200 is a cool watch and I may end up picking one up later this year. However I already own the previous iteration of the MM200.

[@lukewalker1051]

To me the 143 is much nicer. I am not a fan of the 187. Not discussed but I prefer the sbdc065 to the 187. The 143 is a beautiful piece.

[@ripperx444]

Wish they had better movements.

[@jimmyv.495]

Great review! Man thats a nice 2 piece collection! Question: Are they both pin and collars or just pins???

[@AverageBros]

Pin & collar and I'm honestly not even mad at this point, lol

[@jimmyv.495]

@@AverageBros Haha. I am actually okay with it. I just want to know upfront and remember to not lose the collar.

[@harrykuo2573]

6R35 for this price segment is not OK for me. Unless you win the lucky accuracy draw

[@hubertuswolfthaler]

I’m pretty sure the cover on the lume pip is neither sapphire nor hardlex, I once scratched it up pretty badly on one of my Seikos while cleaning it, I think it’s plain old plastic .

[@AverageBros]

Normally it's hardlex from my experience with the SKX and Turtle reissue

[@UnNamedTrucker]

I swear by Odin’s Eye, I will get that 143!

[@dultanur]

I’ll take the mm200.

[@PpaStrmpf]

I do not know why but Seiko divers have that power of attraction over me. Like a cat being pulled to catnip. But 1k is a lot of money. The 62MAX would profit from a chapter ring making watch looking deeper and not so flat. The baby MM could have signed crown and framed date window. Both watches should have date at 6. Bracelets are good but I've got few Zelos watches that cost 1/3 of the Seiko price and have bracelets that you can fold like a origami. Seiko must get better clasps and bracelets and than they can have my hard earned 1k$.

[@truno7]

Both.

[@AverageBros]

you're speaking my language, lol

[@GROADAPPLE]

marine master all the way

[@kubipro5880]

Why 62 MAX???

[@AverageBros]

Because it's a Prospex watch that is 62MAS inspired, so X as in Prospex

[@kubipro5880]

@@AverageBros ohw thank you i was thinking that you saying it with the size the size is good I am saving up for this watch over one month i am gone buy it audi a3 can wait a little bit🙂greetings from the Netherlands.👍🇳🇱

[@Deal_Advisor]

Between the two I'd go with SPB143 (the one with the gray dial). But in terms of the whole diver watch market, I'd not buy either of these. I'd same my money to buy smth more interesting: Ming diver, Tudor BB58

[@maxp5422]

Not at all same price brackets ming are nice 👌

[@Deal_Advisor]

@@maxp5422 Yeap, but they are definitely bang for the buck. And you don't see many of those. More unique watch with much more though into it. I'd definitely go with one of those options.

[@yipjune7164]

i like sbdc101 62mas is the best

[@Nofold3]

143 !

[@wed265]

The more you talk one minute I like the one then after you talk more I like the other then you talk more I like the first one then you talk more and I like the other one. Hate that I got into this Rabbit Hole of watches. 😆 lol

[@dararohan1209]

Nice watches but I much prefer the previous generation of tributes to 60s watches.

[@hubertuswolfthaler]

The SPB143 looks like a modern 62MAS, whereas that SPB187 looks like a toothless MM300; the former is a keeper, the latter is the kind of watch you sell off after 6-9 months 👎🏻

[@maitrehg]

So true ! SPB143 all the way.

[@jeremiahpayne2084]

Definitely not the best divers for the money in any category. Superb looking but they will always lose mega points with the low grade 3hz movement.

[@mattonthewater]

WCWC straps are such trash though.

[@Hard_7_Iron]

Jiberish….omg! 😂

[@dcamnc1]

Honestly it's a toss up for me.

[@mattonthewater]

The mm200 is a disappointment personally. The SPB143 is a grand slam from start to finish.

[@mintkendishin]

why would you buy one of these over a zelos?...........zelos offers so much more for the money........seiko has become very overrated in recent years

[@AverageBros]

I did, lol and I have tons of Zelos too. Not everyone buys stuff specifically with pure objective value in mind, some people just like what they like and buy what they like.

[@Brondi6000]

beautiful both

[@freddodivertente]

Which one do you prefer after one year and more? :)