Awareness Cannot Know Itself as an Object but Is Never Not Known

[@melvinmeju5970]

Thank you Rupert and questioner 🙏🏾

[@rkpeddinti]

Rupert Sir..Your explanation was excellent. I listen to "Bhagavan Sri RamaNa" 's and your videos. Thanks for imparting "Gyaana daanam" . 🙏

[@tutorial9322]

11:26 Thank you so much, I always thought I can’t know myself, but I always know myself, I’m knowing❤️

[@consciousawareness6020]

Only consciousness is knowing itself. No object exists independently of the knowing of it. Thank you Rupert for the direct pointing.

[@Dhorpatan]

_"No object exists independently of the knowing of it"_ Utter nonsense and no reasoning given to support this. If anyone reads this, don't believe the above. It's Deepak Chopra type of woo-woo new agey stuff.

[@MrEmotional33]

@@Dhorpatan Just one short clarification. Just think what would happen when your brain stops working..? Will you ever be able to perceive or know anything..? And if your brain actually is the only instance which is responsible for your perception (and awareness on a higher level), how can you know anything about reality without it..? You are only experiencing reality cuz your brain/consciousness tells you that (not because there might be (or might not be) a separate reality out there)..nothing more..seems strange, but is fact! If your brain would tell you that the whole reality is a huge cheeseburger, you would simply believe it :-)

[@Dhorpatan]

@@MrEmotional33 *"how can you know anything about reality without it"* You are espousing the extremely irrational Diaphanous model of awareness. In short, you're claiming reality cannot be known, because it requires a means(the brain) in which to know it. Which is irrational nonsense.

[@Dhorpatan]

@@MrEmotional33 Did KZbin fail to notify you of my response or did it get ghosted?

[@JosephHurtsellers]

I love the question and the quality of the questioner has made this possible... So smart and so bold and ao humble all at the same time. Whoever you qre you have made this such a great exchange with the amazing mystic ❤

[@AlexShailer]

I've spent a while in a floatation tank over the years. It occurred to me, it's possibly a way to know your own awareness independent of objects, or at least get closer to it. Granted, sometimes even after being in there for 45 minutes, you can still hear the odd latent thought and maybe some visual noise. But I've had times when it's just complete nothingness. There's no sensory input, the mind has stopped, and there's pretty much nothing but pure beingness. And, It's very peaceful :)

[@raindropcleaners]

I'd love to try the float tanks, need to find one near me.

[@andrzejsati3861]

In fact You have the same in deep sleep, nonrem phase of sleep . the way to access it is lucid dreaming practice.

[@quake3quake3]

Namaste, When you say that it's peaceful or nothingness, there is still the "I" experiencing those states, implying duality. In nirvikalpa samadhi the "I" totally dissolves and there is no longer anyone to describe or experience it. Ramakrishna demonstrates this very beautifully with a story: "Once a salt doll went to measure the depth of the ocean. (All laugh.) It wanted to tell others how deep the water was. But this it could never do, for no sooner did it get into the water than it melted. Now who was there to report the ocean's depth?" In samadhi one attains the Knowledge of Brahman - one realizes Brahman. In that state reasoning stops altogether, and man becomes mute. He has no power to describe the nature of Brahman - Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

[@magic2066]

@@quake3quake3 wow you really know the truth, but have you got it? or that is an other thing? pls let me know. thx : joseph

[@metalchemy]

@@magic2066 🙏 who is it that will "get" or "not get" the Truth" ? 🙏

[@sanekabc]

The last part at 13:25 clarified it. But I still stand by the last sentence of my first post. Also, people, do in bear in mind that was is taking place here is a mere intellectual understanding. The mystical state of oneness is not a common occurrence. People are hoping that this intellectual verbal explanation will get them there, but it won't in 99.9999999% of cases.

[@shirdihari488]

GRATITUDE,...very helpful...

[@bs5167]

Wow getting it done. I love you all Thank you 🙏🏼❤️❤️🙏🏼

[@dr.susheelkhemariya8966]

Thanksgretitude DhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad thanks RuperSpira

[@niallbourke7963]

It's simple knowing comes first, cause there's only the knowing, no big deal.

[@gireeshneroth7127]

Awareness is being two in one. Awareness according to awareness minded is what duality is all about. Accordance.

[@MrEmotional33]

2:00 Well that´s same with whole reality..we do not know anything of reality (i.e. interpretation of our perception) without experience..and experience is information..all we ever "know" we gain from information not from a personal insight or a creative function of our brain. We know that the perception of a flower is a flower because we were told to believe that, not because we would be able to decode the mystery of perception..nothing more..basically i even don´t know for myself that anything at all is existing (except my consciousness (telling me so), which i likewise will never manage to understand or grasp..

[@bobbilurie3979]

Beautiful. Thank you.

[@davidsweeney111]

Thank God it's true!

[@MrPrayuda]

Amazing, Rupert

[@samanthamorrison333]

I felt kinda weird, as if something evil and powerful in me got empowered through this realization. Or maybe I became aware of this aspect in myself. When Rupert said that there is only the knowing, when I stepped back from perception into the knowing of perception, I landed there where there is only the knowing. The I know and I asked myself "what do I know" and I answered that I know that I know and that I am therefore I know. I realised that there is only I. But I kinda felt powerful but in a kinda.. evil way? Have I become aware of my destructive powers.. have I become aware of a destructive part of myself, an evil aspect that I have created? Mostly through my pain? I am aware of that therefore it's maybe something mind made, a state of consciousness.

[@mohamedladha7054]

It leads me to place of stillness.

[@rich4185]

So good

[@julluj5624]

Can you please anybody explain to me that why I have dreams where I Know that I am sleeping right now and I even can realize that its only a dream? Last night I had an amazing dream. I was walking down the streets and thinking about that there is no possibility to have dream as reality. I say that it that dream! I was totally present in that dream as I am present right now.

[@mdbosley]

Because you are aware, There are 10,000 things.

[@mdbosley]

Awareness, under the sway of delusion, causes suffering. There is ignorance There are strategies to find happiness built of ignorance. There is "the limited consciousness of objects of experience" built of ignorant strategies... There are "the limiting concepts and words which refer to the limited forms of consciousness of objects of experience" Made from ignorant strategies. There are Six sense doors, which are used only when; the ignorant mind fabricates a strategy to find happiness and then flows out the eye, ear, nose, tongue, body and the mind as the sixth. When the mind flows out in search of happiness, it contacts pleasant objects, unpleasant objects and neither pleasant nor unpleasant objects, this is called contact. Dependent on contact there is feeling. Dependent on feeling there is desire. Dependent on desire there is sustained obsession. Dependent on sustained obsession there is the ego-birth of the one who will not be happy until it gets what it wants. Dependent on ego-birth there is ego-aging, ego-illness and ego-death. Dependent on the suffering that follows ego-birth there is the ignorance that leads to being born again.

[@kentheengineer592]

Pov You Took Introduction into the Epistomology of Awareness, Basically Self Referencial Problem

[@waynedombrowski7568]

This is all fascinating and important,but I keep coming back to what good will it do me the next time I stub my toe?

[@chrizles]

you can make the pain go away with your mind

[@coolorphans]

Yea by dying@@chrizles

[@mrsbethaniesmith]

5:05 mic drop.

[@JonervaK]

Thoughtless observation Thoughts are created by our language, our culture. Culture is just a way to think, imagination. Imagination is the way we see ourselfs and others around us. Learned information processing. Do we let our imagination, the self image, control our daily actions by bringing images, what causes emotions? Sometimes, yes. Can we control our self-made images? Why not? Psychology has a term, core self. Is it possible, that it is same thing as buddhist call true self, daoist call dao, christians call holy spirit ect.? This is just a opinion, but it might be possible, that we all share the similiar sensation of peaceful, inspiring silence within ourself, but our cultures has very different kind of perspective, like a different angle, what we follow and we make ourselfs feel so much different than others.

[@richardleigh4003]

This is only half of the story (the exterior excluding the interior). Delusion awaits all those who think they are their own source of life, of consciousness.

[@richardleigh4003]

@@TheWorldTeacher Thanks for the message. What I see is this: that Life is consciousness, supplied by God directly and without condition. God is the source of life, not 'One Reality' and He knows Himself very well indeed, being divinely wise. This world, this Earth, is created yes, and is the natural-world, as distinct from the spirit-world. Which was also created. Further, both worlds are populated by created beings, Men. Some in spirit, some in nature like us. All with free-will as standard, so that they have relationship with God and their neighbours. Karma merely means re-action. Eternity is a about time, which is part of the natural-world, along with space, matter and energy. Genetic science is fake science - proteins do the work of material life. Conditioning is a true effect, resting on education and socialisation. 'Dualistic universe' is phoney thinking - again, God supplies the life and each 'created thing' does what they want with it, for good or evil. In summary, the results of this universe are binary, but not the input. Suffering and pain is inevitable in the natural-world - again, it's what you do with them that is the key. Guilt is an illusion ultimately, since all created beings are immortal in spirit and will sort it out between themselves 'in the end' by apportioning blame and then forgiveness. Blame transfers power to the blamed. Pride precedes a fall, and a fall can be handy if played well. Worry/Anxiety mean 'death' has been misunderstood as something other than a frequency shift. Attachment is not pain or suffering, but the inability to detach certainly is. 'A series of happenings' is reality, not life. To be clear: the divine comes to you, then you do what you want with it. That is free-will. Just because that gift came from God does not mean that God decided what to do with it. The body is of the natural-world and is not the mind. The mind is of the spirit-world, essentially, although it 'stretches' like crazy'. A biological machine is a cell, whereas the mind works more like a river containing the water of life. “You Westerners should look to Emanuel Swedenborg, he is your Buddha.” - DT Suzuki

[@zain4019]

Richard Leigh I’ll take my Goddess, thanks.

[@sanekabc]

You are changing the meaning of the word perception. Perception is an ability. I'm aware that I have this ability because of the objects perceived. If there were no objects then there is nothing to perceive. That state is unimaginable other than imagining nothingness which in turn becomes an object or my idea of nothingness. To say that you are aware of perception is a meaningless statement.

[@helioschan7705]

All statements are meaningless in the face of truth. Find what works for you.

[@sanekabc]

@@helioschan7705 But some more meaningful and accurate. Like yours! :-)

[@RussRapp]

Couldn’t we remove the double negative in the video title and just say Awareness is (never not) known?

[@adunnou2075]

Russ Rapp no we couldnt

[@consciousawareness6020]

Russ Rapp Yes, we could

[@malabuha]

No we cant. But Rupert can LoL

[@CristyanBernardes]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mathrodite]

In what sense does Spira mean that physicists can't find matter? He brings this up from time to time. There is something called the Standard Model.

[@epoyworld]

Awareness or Consciousness is not a thing or whatever you imagine separates from the world. But let me say this, think of a round ball, it has no arm that point back to itself, no eyeball that stretches to see itself. The ball is round, and "being" itself alone. Now imagine the ball is the totality of the universe, the totality of all reality. Now dont just imagine, look around, feel it inside of you, it is "actually" what is the situation, not a theory or concept but what is happening to your reality right NOW!

[@Dhorpatan]

A whole lot of blather and words that amount to basically nothing accurate or meaningful said.

[@naradamoran155]

Why would awareness need or want to know itself?

[@naradamoran155]

@@fritsgijs317 Delusion is the idea that there is knowing and 'anyone' who could possibly know anything and as a result of this the 'anyone' fluctuates between apparent suffering and apparent not suffering. You my friend seem to have accepted the concept of knowing over not knowing, which you confuse with ignorance, but which is the only true freedom and is where the 'peace that passeth all understanding' is. Thank you for offering your totally misguided advice....for the true self can not be known it can only 'be' and what us known is only the shadow.

[@davee.4847]

It doesn't need or want to

[@consciousawareness6020]

Awareness doesn’t need or want anything. It is self-illuminating.

[@naradamoran155]

@@fritsgijs317 Not sure what you mean. ..there can be being without knowing but never knowing without being so why equate them. Being is prior to all existence which is always temporary and the knowing of this or anything else is an apparent aspect of existence and has no relation to being.

[@naradamoran155]

@@davee.4847 So is it doing it?

[@vwrabbit4life]

Deep stuff there is only subject

[@johnbrowne8744]

Awareness is Not an object.

[@esneliamunoz5082]

🕉🕉🕉😊

[@martynspooner5822]

Vedanta is another belief system admittedly one very easy to get caught up in but all experience is subjective eg someone might see the colour red in how I see the colour blue and both of us would never know.

[@Joshua-dc1bs]

Ok

[@adunnou2075]

Ok

[@theodorethinking]

That's quite accurate. All experience is subjective, in a sense it's inherently solipsistic in that we only know a certain set of experience. Nevertheless, we can reasonably assume that different people experience similar stuff at the basic level (color, texture, sound, touch etc.)

[@edklunar6349]

The way he throws around terms like “knowing” is rather imprecise, confusing philosophy and bad phenomenalogical inquiry. At times he almost sounds like a dualist, suggesting that there are our perceptions but also, in addition, the knowing of those perceptions and possibly even a third thing, the knower that is knowing.

[@derekkase7884]

Yes you can cut it into pieces like that but it's all one in the same

[@coolorphans]

Not as guru as I thought he'd be but the way he talks scares me a little bit - somewhat guru like.

[@theodorethinking]

The man that asks the question hit the nail on the head, Spira's answer notwithstanding. He just needs to take it one step further: Not only can you be aware only with an object, there is no one aware of the object. There is only the awareness-of-the-object. This may seem similar to Spira's answer, but it's the exact opposite: not even an entity called Awareness is there. There are only objects perceived. Too many aerial concepts in this Direct Path.

[@helioschan7705]

There aren't any objects to perceive, and there isn't Awareness.

[@theodorethinking]

@@helioschan7705 But what is there? I think you misunderstood my post. I didn't differentiate between awareness, objects and experience.

[@ΒούροςΓιώργος]

@@theodorethinking Φίλε ελληνας εισαι ;

[@ΒούροςΓιώργος]

@@theodorethinking My friend this are just pointers to realize it. You think too much so you loose your change. You stuck in words. Your mind will never see it clear.😊 What you have to "do" is to be open enough to realize this one substance witch everything is kind of "temporary made of". Again...you have to experience it! When you do! Then automatically will appear to you more and more. Untill now you are stuck in concepts witch is only here to guide. Dont create more concepts..you miss the point 😊. I hope you to see that one day. Is imposibble to explain it clear.. Rupert has a very difficult mission.

[@theodorethinking]

Giorgos, forgive me for saying this, I don't think you have much of an idea of what I or perhaps even Spira are speaking about. Nevertheless, do stick with what you resonate with. For what it's worth, I'm not that stuck with experiences to think they telling me much about the fabric of reality... That type of thinking is a byproduct of a bygone era, which has found its place in romantic souls. Though I was in your place a few years ago, and still am going through it sometimes. I do wonder why you asked about my nationality though ;) I thought it didn't matter much if you are big C Consciousness...

[@simonindra3225]

Close yore eyes .than it's all black still there is a yellow light . consecrate on this light. And take a beam the beam ends in yore awareness .you can see the light hitting the eye nerve .the self is not an object to see it is a spirit soul .for more information reply here .hare Krishna!

[@1walicki]

“The edge of a blade can cut itself... If it is a blade of grass blowing in the wind” ~jOhn

[@johnnylovessheki]

a musical explanation- kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5-5hGWfmrF8e5I

[@Requiredfields2]

You might spice it up by adding a few jokes. You know, get a few zingers in. Just a thought. :)

[@HolgerHubbs]

Wonderful (-;

[@thenextpoetician6328]

Egocentric predicament.