Is Destiny 2 Really That Bad? | Bradley

[@BradleyTheBradster]

WOW! I am beside myself. Thank you so much for reacting to my video, I had no idea where it would go. Thank you for the exposure and most importantly your kind words. I’m truly grateful 🙏🏻

[@thiaracristina2858]

Liked your vid bro

[@Izanamii2]

Great video dude

[@gabrieltorres6633]

​@@thiaracristina2858doing tricks on it atp

[@LIL_Drible]

Liked and subscribed to you devil dog

[@jizzosh1233]

Awesome show great job!

[@Solkard]

The thing that upset me the most about sunsetting was that they claimed the content would be returned later, but then it was partially returned as content we had to purchase again.

[@Sal-fg3rs]

Then disappeared again xD

[@tribeval]

did you ever experience or hear how confusing it was to buy forsaken when it came out? I had to pay for it twice and no longer "own" it

[@kaygetsbusy]

And what's fucked up is they didn't bring it back fully, mars-nothing, titan-nothing, leviathan-nothing and next season I have a feeling that oryx's ship is gonna b a mission area like how they did titan

[@somahagymasy5341]

The hardest thing about Destiny is recommending it to others

[@cerebralassassin2185]

How? If it's because how expensive it is just wait till there's a sale which there is all the time.

[@hitsmegoodyo277]

And like dude said when you try and explain what's going, literally where do you even start haha not like they can play red war or any early stuff 😂

[@somahagymasy5341]

@@hitsmegoodyo277 exactly lmao try to summarize Destiny in a sentence, impossible

[@andrewyachovitz6749]

@@hitsmegoodyo277exaclty lol, cuz they got rid of it. Still insane to me

[@bigounce8301]

have a feeling when new saga starts destiny will be way easier to get into

[@PanoptesDreams]

I'm so sick of hearing "Destiny is free" for ANY Veteran or active player, IT IS NOT. I'm so sick of this Argument. We all paid for the game, stop trying to say "it's free". No buddy we paid for it so you could TRY it for free.

[@Exton_Z1]

Pete Parson: I need new cars

[@MysticLuka]

I remember preordering destiny 2 years ago hwen it came out and being super hyped to play it with frineds on release. Then I beat the campaign and found out that there was literally nothing to do afterwards for weeks, so I quit. I only went back to play it again during Witch Queen and because a buncha my friends were active players for quite some time. At this point, I wish I could play it and have fun but every time I try I just feel disappointed.

[@PanoptesDreams]

@MysticLuka there was nothing to do, for months... Even after DLC 1, it still felt the same, DLC 2 also had a similar vibe. I just did the raid over and over. Sad we don't have it anymore..

[@dulcetwho5770]

i feel you 100%, it irks the hell out of me. it's pure cope

[@jaylarkin4331]

Free to try

[@blackcivicsi13]

Let's not forget when the new lights were trapped in dares of eternity. And we had to lower light levels to join in with them and pull them through!

[@hitsmegoodyo277]

That was actually really fun for me I help atleast 50 blueberries

[@OscarASevilla]

That was a cool community moment haha

[@PYRESATVARANASI]

I helped so much new lights during that time. It was so fun.

[@LegacyGirl]

Omg I remember that. One of my friends that I convinced to play joined and was thrown into that activity. He just about quit but me and a few of the clan pulled him through and then we pulled more through cause it ended up being so much fun. We even got more clan mates from that event.

[@1mThe0n3]

I loved that dares event super Sherpa the new lights and guide them to greatness

[@Grandleon]

The Red War was mid-story onboarding done right. It was what got its hooks into me. Even my niece who was 9 at the time and had never played a FPS before was fascinated by this opening story and kept playing. It was the new player experience that most online games dream of and then fail to ever achieve. It's amazing to me that Bungie shoved that to the side and eventually deleted it.

[@Forcer69]

People have been saying this for years, but “Destiny is the worst best game you’ll ever play.” Honestly, kind of spot on.

[@MitchellTheMitch]

Niche Internet Micro Celebrity

[@sugma-lucious]

Shut up and go watch more star wars nerd

[@FavGZ]

It's always "coulda been" with destiny.

[@darrenhenderson7076]

I just believe people hit a wall and don't know how to climb over and refuse to read direction I play solo tried to get a team but they would screw me and drop right before drops so I got gud and done dungeons solo and get what chest I can from raids a little hard work goes a long way

[@darrenhenderson7076]

But we should all get together and file a class action lawsuit and get our money back

[@brummyuk-d6f]

The biggest joke I ever heard was people saying Destiny 2 is free to play. You literally can do nothing in the game without buying DLC. It's basically a glorified demo designed to get players hooked so they spend money on the actual meat of the game, which is all locked behind DLC. And the worst part is, all the seasonal content is deleted at the end of every year, so you'll never get to experience any of that shit ever again once it's gone.

[@SilverCyric]

🤔 Yeah…it’s called a free to play model. We don’t do demos or shareware anymore, just hop in and play the game for a few hours, like it, buy some stuff. Don’t like it, then don’t play or pay. I have a friend that is F2P and he maintains regular play, just very casually. Really, in the end, nothing is free. Someone somewhere will pay eventually. It’s called business and one thing about it, is it either works or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t make money it goes away. It’s the ultimate form of democracy. People put money towards things they want and they get more and things they don’t want and don’t buy go away. ✌️

[@swattofficer6624]

@@SilverCyric Or you can play an actually free to play game like Warframe where not one piece of story content is removed or paywalled.

[@SilverCyric]

@ You say that like I haven’t played Warframe. I prefer FPS and Destiny is just a better game period. I don’t have endless hours to grind, so it’s not free to play. Nothing is free. Your time is worth money and unless you make very little, or cheat, my time is literally worth more than if I grind for 10 hours or just work for 2 and buy what I need. I enjoy gaming and spent a majority of my free time doing it. I just have a life and a career. That’s a real job that has importance and can’t just be replaced by another person with a GED. 😜 You can play without spending cash because you have 8+ hours a day to grind. You’re spending more than everyone else, by grinding at sub $5/hr. But, hey, if you have hours and hours everyday to just waste and nothing better to do, you do you pal 👍

[@swattofficer6624]

@@SilverCyric I've spent plenty money on warframe because i can afford to and wanted to support it. You dont need to grind that much if you are just playing through the story (the New War being a major exception which they have made the grind easier many times). 'Free to play' means you dont need to spend money on content, and you know it. Being pedantic with "well it still costs time" is idiotic and you dang well know it. We dont say a game that you bought for 60 dollars and play for 100 hours "cost 100 hours" to play in relation to how much the game costs. Similarly, a game that costs 0 dollars to buy but you spend 200 hours on didnt "cost 200 hours".

[@SilverCyric]

@ Of course not! You’re stepping over $100 bills to pick up quarters. Time is a resource. You only have so much time and you don’t get more of it. Whatever time you put toward taking has a value assigned to it. The fact you’re arguing with me just places you in a category where you have more time to waste than not. Your time is not as valuable as mine. And just because you CAN afford it doesn’t mean you should… I’m constantly telling my online friends not to spend real cash on impulsive buys, because next week they’re can’t afford their light bill. They could afford it too, at the time, or were willing to pay the late fee. That doesn’t negate my stance, and only serves to strengthen it.

[@DrewMarinelli]

We love D2 because at its core, is a great game. We hate D2 because we KNOW it can be that great

[@FlashesSoccer011]

At its core, it's an extremely mediocre game.

[@DrewMarinelli]

@FlashesSoccer011 I disagree. The gunplay is clean and intuitive. The abilities are fun and interesting. I love the build crafting and when the story hits, it HITS. It's just plagued by shit decisions by higher ups

[@talentrippin3535]

@@FlashesSoccer011 Still have to find a game that's similar or as close to D2's smooth gunplay and ability loop is. It's impossible

[@FlashesSoccer011]

@@talentrippin3535 they constantly nerf the fun our of the ability loops, but the gunplay is unmatched. But thats literally it.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

​@@FlashesSoccer011eh to an extent. Personally the gunplay is only a third of it because I like abilities better. If I just wanted guns I'd play CoD or siege.

[@xyrkzes]

Warframe is proof that you don’t need to remove old content to make room for new content.

[@mrj1897]

It does come at the cost of new players not really vibing with the starting line, you can feel the age of the quest and the star chart and when you look at newer players and the content they’re doing it looks like night and day

[@nattythepanda4692]

@@mrj1897 Is it really that big of a cost though? Because it isn't. If you tell a new player "Hey, that part of the game you're going through is from a bit of an older time, they don't want to pull a Destiny 2 and remove content from the game, you'll get through it quick, don't worry about it" they'll understand.

[@mrj1897]

@@nattythepanda4692 because first impressions are everything for new player experience. alot of quests and star chart missions dont really hold up well, i mean hell the jackal was the only boss that was given a proper rework of a boss fight yet none of the other bosses you fight in the star chart are given that same treatment (cough cough the sergeant boss fight in phobos) from my time trying to get people to play the game, theres usually a common 3 issues people tend to have: 1) none of the systems are really explained very well, from the UI, buildcrafting and weapon stats. its been getting better with some additional info given when u hover over stats but theyll stuggle to really understand what they should be looking at when upgrading. 2) alot of slots are limited, while u can earn weapon slots quite easily, warframe slots on the other hand require platinum or completing nightwave objectives, which is really bad considering you only get 2, with one being used for ur starter frame. 3) the time spent on building new weapons and frames is aging as well, not many people enjoyed it in the first descendant and here especially, people dont have much time to play games and while i get its meant to be a form of monetization the devs can get from u, if it was chalked up to weapons taking an hour to craft, or a frame takes up to 12 hours to build the game would feel so much better as a result

[@evocaeden2932]

4:00 Thing is they DO still sunset content. Every single year ALL of the seasons, their activities and narratives are all removed at the end of their expansion's year. Sunsetting may be gone for expansions, but it is NOT gone! Also - I also made a video on this topic almost the same time Bradley uploaded his, giving my own perspectives.

[@jonahbrown5669]

Will Bungie keep their word on the expansion part though? Time will tell

[@tinystar3010]

Honestly, that is sunsetting the main dlc because seasons continued that main yearly dlc story. 80% of each annual dlc you pay for gets sunset because if you buy the bundle, your money spent on seasons is lost. Base launch + 4 seasons (3 now with rebranded episodes), so yeah 80% loss to sunsetting each year.

[@GrotesqueSmurf]

That's how season worked from the start and that's how sesons work in almost every game tho. Btw at first, season content only stayed for 3 monthes and they INCREASED the time the content stays to a year.

[@evocaeden2932]

@@jonahbrown5669 We'll see. With 3 expansions still vaulted, it's hard to say.

[@evocaeden2932]

@@GrotesqueSmurf Except for the fact that during Shadowkeep's year when free to play was introduced, ALL of the seasonal packs from Forsaken were still in the game. And the Content Vault was only announced as the plan like 3 months before it happened. So telling me other games do it that way, doesn't make it the right of doing things.

[@ravagerxiii5488]

4:22 I stopped playing Destiny 2 after I finished, what is in my opinion, the BEST DLC Bungie has ever made in the form of Forsaken and its following expansions. I LOVED Forsaken and when they announced sunsetting I was convinced that the music had stopped and it was time to go home. Let me tell you this is not a decision I made lightly. I loved Destiny 1 and 2 to death. I have over 200 Raid clears in D1, half of those being from WOTM. I couldnt be bothered to turn on D2 today.

[@hoopla5502]

Forsaken was legit so good. When they took it was when I truly lost faith

[@akatoshmorgul9367]

Hey man, I am from Bradley's community. Thanks for sharing and reacting to the video, man. The points that were addressed in the video need to be addressed by Bungie. I hope your insight and the video get to Bungie devs. You prove once again to be an OG D2 content creator. Stay loyal to the game and hold the developers accountable.

[@roma_nova83]

We get amazing new content all the time. The best dungeon just dropped. An amazing raid earlier this year. The devs are doing a great job, people just complain way way way way way way way way too much.

[@groovydolph]

@@Challa13it’s one of those things most people don’t really mind about. Day 1 Nez was really the last major instance people cared about that. Destiny complaints are like a hot coal that weilders just feel they need to share. Game ain’t perfect, but it’s enjoyable and not that deep. When it gets stale we take a break. Most people that get really mad about the game no life it (that was me at one point fyi).

[@BillyNahar]

@roma_nova83 No way you are justifying the removal of paid content, which is then sold back to you in another expansion or season pass later on. Reprising old weapons from Destiny 1 that are then sold back to you in DLCs / seasonal content. The community finding out Bungie throttled XP gains and Bungie was forced to apologise and remove the system. Trials being launched half baked, and to this day they still don’t know what they want it to be?! PvP and Gambit left dead in the water for years on end (that is two thirds of the core game activities by the way). The new light on boarding system is pure trash. The core game has no core story as it has been removed. The Bungie defending is abysmal.

[@hiikkachu]

@@BillyNahar yep, they talking literally about you. good job to prove their pont.

[@mongolen-kn2yc]

@@BillyNahar cry somre more billy sheesh get a life

[@nathansparks9814]

Honkai star rail lets you uninstall old content once finished. in terms of story missions and quests, and areas that could still be accessed - block it. They have no problem putting up a wall saying “you must own dlc to play this mission that’s already installed on your game”, so why don’t we oh idk, let us uninstall a planet. Then if we try to go to it on the HUD, a pop up that says “the resources to access this planet are not installed.” Much better solution than sunsetting.

[@rob_6892]

Average gacha player

[@MysticLuka]

@@rob_6892 What does this comment even mean? Dude just suggested an alternative to sunsetting completely unrelated to any gacha mechanics and your response is "average gacha player" with nothing else? Why?

[@rob_6892]

@ it is a GACHA game man, people tryna compare things like this is hilarious. Its. Not. Even.remotely. Similar. I have played star rail and even suggesting things from a game designed to scam money out of you just to play it is crazy lmao

[@MysticLuka]

@@rob_6892 Gacha is a mechanic not a genre. Also, the point is handling outdated content, which is totally comparable. Destiny 2 already scams money out of people so i don't understand why you're so against the suggestion. It would be a positive change for D2 if you could optionally install older story content that you missed lol

[@rob_6892]

@ It IsNt ThE sAmE tHiNg, theres a lot more to it than “letting me install when i want” as each dlc contained gamemodes, weapons and a lot of other content including items that were phased out regardless of the dlc. Not to mention textures, balancing for planets no longer supported etc. stop supporting gacha (gambling sims) lmaoooooooo

[@ryanrobins945]

The funny thing is a 200gb game probably wouldn't surprise anyone at this point.

[@schreursalain2968]

For that amount of storage a game should better be great.

[@AlegendArises]

Felels like COD is already there

[@Kaiser8361N]

@@AlegendArisesit’s nearly 200gb last I checked

[@CoNiCuZn]

lol yeah the other night my buddy almost downloaded it but was like “yo wait this is 200gb, im not downloading this”. And I was like dude wtf you just downloaded the new Cod game that is like 120gb and has nowhere near as much content 😢

[@LunaPPK]

@@AlegendArises it only takes a season or two for CoD to get there every year lol

[@ocularcavity8412]

14:38 My Brother is speaking THE TRUTH Destiny 2 is like an Abusive relationship he is 100% ON POINT with that statement

[@edwardrichard8093]

Of course he's having fun. He hasn't been playing the same thing for 10 years.

[@pituguli5816]

lol

[@designteam9364]

Lol! True

[@Reziel_azyr]

We can’t let go brother . 😂

[@jmaxsupreme3524]

Buying a destiny 2 DLC is like leasing a car without the option to buy it at the end of the lease. The dealership is taking that shit back so don’t get attached to it. 😂

[@phantombigboss8429]

lol and so does COD and Diablo 4 f#$@ these games haha

[@84m30]

People don’t like D2 because it has repeatedly shot itself in the foot over its run for no reason. People feel betrayed because every time it feels like it’s turning the corner either the game or Bungie collapses in on itself

[@cerebralassassin2185]

Tbf most people just don't like d2 because of burnout. A lot of players don't know how to take breaks. Your point also adds to it as well ofc

[@terminate_all]

​​@@cerebralassassin2185 this...if you don't want to play destiny for a few weeks or whatever..then don't play?? Mfs have 8k + hours and wonder why they hate the game and have nothing to do.. Edit: when destiny reaches an all time low of 600 players like concord before it shutdown( at least on steam) then you can say "dead" game, weirdos.

[@DragonKnight90001]

D1 left a bitter taste in players mouths too you got to remember that, yes d1 had its good times but for a lot of og halo bungie fans d1 was a failure to them at launch.

[@84m30]

@@DragonKnight90001 yea people nowadays seem to look back way too fondly on D1. D1 wasn’t just the first few months of TTK, it was also the abysmal launch, Dark Below, and the complete “content droughts” of year 2 and 3.

[@ryngoku24]

honestly, the burnout can’t be fixed with breaks. it’s just old. i love the game. but i’ve been playing since vanilla D1 in 2014 as a sophomore in high school. i’m now married with 2 daughters and a wife at 26 years old. a decade of ANYTHING is a long time let alone a video game. Forever one of my GOATS but I personally am just burnt out.

[@instantrameng0d36]

Destiny is a 10/10 game -10 points bc I had to pay 70$ +$15 for final shape and couldn't get it on time with my friends so they played with out me then never got it because of work and conflicting schedules. Then realized I had to pay 20$ for other DLCs that have certain dungeons in them not incuclding the keys which means I can't do them with my friends unless I fork over more money.

[@nastytechniquez9685]

Sunsetting was really the beginning of the end. And then half the community defending bungie saying, “you don’t own games anymore, get over it” blew my mind when that happened

[@Mango_Juice56]

too many sheep in destiny’s community. Beaten housewives longing for something to never come only to settle for mediocre. Ive never seen a community this complacent to having money ripped from them and the game made worse over time.

[@BrotasticBatman]

@@Mango_Juice56 100%!!!!

[@nastytechniquez9685]

@@Mango_Juice56 absolutely correct

[@EveTheGuardian]

I was never on the side of "you don't own this game, get over it", I was always under the impression of "They'll bring it back when they have the time and resources". A lot of the recent seasonal content is reusing assets and textures from the old DLCs, which makes me feel like they're working up to a "remaster" of osrts, importing a lot of old content and reworking it for the current sandbox

[@SilverShot114]

​@@EveTheGuardianand then we would need to pay for that. I would rather have something new

[@blackhawkbrett6688]

I’ve watched you cross for yeaaarsss now. Streams. Videos. The whole shabang. I quit destiny about a year and a half ago and it still breaks my heart. I havnt seen one of ur videos in probably that time. Yt recommended brought me back to the Aztec Chanel. And I’m happy to see you to say the least. Missed you cross

[@itsterra9381]

Him saying that he didn't like how hand-holdy the game is is so surprising to me. From other people I've heard that they're not telling them enough information, but perhaps its become more convoluded. Too specific in one area, not specific enough in another.

[@BradleyTheBradster]

Yes, I want to caveat off my statement - The hand holdy stuff that I didn't like were very basic instructions that I could figure out on my own by playing the game. Instead, they force me to engage with the help menu without just letting me play the game and figure it out on my own. I would have liked more of a clear direction in gameplay towards goals I can strive for instead of very basic menus that forces me to sit back and read for the entire of the beginner game.

[@itsterra9381]

@Bradster0 that's completely fair. In some ways I understand why they make it so egregious, I have seen people try it out as one of their first games (probably not a great first game to start on) and still struggle even with that much instructions, but for those who are more seasoned, it's very intrusive and obnoxious. They're in such a weird limbo of wanting to onboard new players and not having a great way of doing it. Hopefully things go well for you as you keep playing the game, it has a lot to offer for those who just start. At least the pay wall is getting smaller...

[@gwaustin99]

​@@BradleyTheBradsterdestiny 1 was definitely the much better experience would recommend playing that over destiny 2. The way it was set up compared to destiny 2 is so different. Idk how to explain the fact that with destiny 2 they deviated so much from destiny 1 that it hurts the game.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

It can be both. Too hand holdy in some areas and too free in others.

[@eyesneveropen-meow-5125]

to be fair he's coming from Warframe which does the equivalent of punting you into a dumpster the moment you say your first word

[@Bostonbtnh]

This is why your one of the only Destiny streamers I watch. this video is exactly why. You never jump to any conclusions and you look at every side of the argument. Every fact, the negativea the positives, always open to learn and improve. and you never believe anything just because you heard it from someone else or read it online you do the work. I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with any thing you’ve ever said in the time I’ve watched your videos and you’re the only person I ever subscribed to on twitch when I’m forced to do it for an emblem. I also laughed my ass off watching this. It was awesome and you couldn’t have said it better at the end. It was a great video that kid made.

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

If you're looking for the New Light experience, watch Jez's video where he makes his wife play it, it's hilarious but also EXCEEDINGLY true backwards and forwards. Jez is a massive memer, but he's way smarter than he gives himself credit for.

[@sugma-lucious]

Jiz sucks

[@XDD50Hz]

brother man just put on his no thinky think internet persona in video and on stream, and i say that as a jeb fan lmao

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

@@XDD50Hz No thinky think, only shooty shoot, Mr TRV. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Decoy303]

That blam was hilarious!

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

@@Decoy303 Dammit, now I want to watch it again, 🤣🤣 I'm at work, I don't care, I'm watching it again.

[@SoulOfTheLostWarriorMooCat]

My girlfriend got into destiny during witch queen. Shes a heavy story and lore kind of person and what threw her off from wanting to play more was not being able to experience the beginning of D2 and why we do what we do. Bring back the old content!

[@insomniaddictesp]

Luke Smith can eat it for sunsetting and the DCV forever. They said they would bring the content back from time to time and that ended up not being quite true.

[@MM-he2iq]

I think it was the goal. You can see it with the reprisal stuff. But like all things, “best laid plans” and all. Hopefully they return more content that we loved. I had a blast running Zero and Whisper again. Admittedly I only ran it one or two times. So I guess I get it not being as high of a priority.

[@insomniaddictesp]

@ while that’s true, and a fair point, the two missions you named, I believe, were free to play. So to the point that we lost content we paid for, that still stands and they never really put any serious plans together to return that content. Secondly, removing the base campaign from the game is simply baffling. They could have reworked it if they couldn’t have all the locations like Titan and Io. Most of the campaign is on Earth and Nessus anyway. Tons of adventures to familiarize yourself with just playing Destiny. Stuff to do without figuring out tons of things. And now, they don’t have any new players to generate engagement and revenue from. So, best laid plans. Yeah. Seems like it was all for nought

[@Lorentz_Driver]

I remember when he even thought about sunsetting supers haha (although maybe Well should be lol)

[@Aarkwrite]

The DCV is the most short sighted Bungie decision ever

[@elseggs6504]

Always assume Bungie is talking like a Djinn or is trying to Monkey Paw you. Always

[@desshepherd5202]

What he said about taking a break and coming back and not being able to complete what I brought is exactly what happened to me

[@maxmclaughlin4808]

Someone out runescaped aztecross! 😱 I never expected anyone to even mention that game outside of his streams.

[@Bastion0418]

Had to pause and laugh way too hard at that cuz it was genuinely that funny 😂

[@xincnos9657]

you do realize that OSRS is currently one of the most played mmo's ?

[@philortiz5827]

D1 showed us how great the game can be and D2 showed us they lost their passion for the game as devs and gamers themselves

[@XxDeathxX509]

In the destiny discord there was this one guy who said “I bought forsaken, where do I go to access the dlc?” To which someone replied forsaken doesn’t exist anymore. He rightfully responded with “why would they sell me something that doesn’t exist anymore?” God I felt so bad 💀 Edit: GOOD GOD DO NOT PLAY VEILGUARD 😭😭😭

[@pituguli5816]

Exact same thing happened to my friend a few days ago.. Sad thing is he joined me for a GM went down a bunch of times then next day I said hey wanna play he left me on read hahahaha.

[@wessamkh5142]

Yeah, he probably bought it for 5$ which is for shattered throne and last wish, if that the case, then nothing wrong here, they didn't charge him for any nonexistent content.

[@gabrielnavarro3517]

Fun fact they just put forsaken on sale and I bought it thinking I needed it

[@_GreenShadow_]

@@gabrielnavarro3517 if it's from the microsoft store you can buy a better bundle and refund it ... i ended up getting the Light and Dark pack for $50. With the current state of the game, and the future, I think that is the move for anyone who plays the demo/f2p and decides they are in.

[@_GreenShadow_]

@@gabrielnavarro3517 oh but forgot to add that i originally had bought the wrong stuff and did the refund thing and it was super easy

[@wetnoodleman]

would love to see you and brad collab with you teaching him about destiny and maybe even taking him through his first raid!

[@gen8901]

1:10 This man took a sip of that eggshell premium primer paint mix and became aware of how good it is as well as how bad it gets . . . He’s one of us, now.

[@twbieni]

2:00 and you know what even more messed up is that places like GameStop still sell the game discs that are out there and are nothing more than an expensive coaster

[@SepticEmpire]

Sunsetting was just so unnecessary. The game literally takes up more space now than it did pre sunsetting. It takes up more space even when it was the first season. Even when they take out the seasons. It has still taken more space. I’ve literally had to delete other games to make space. I’ve never had to do that before sunsetting. Absolutely no excuses for it.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

And more buggy and looks worse!

[@kojeb]

and it would be even bigger without sunsetting 🤷‍♂️

[@SepticEmpire]

@@kojebHaving all that content still in the game would make it justified to have a game that big. Id rather have a 200 gig game with a coherent story than a 100 gig game with half the content missing.

[@SepticEmpire]

@@Lorentz_Driver Sunsetting was never a fix for the buggy and looking bad aspects of destiny. In fact sun setting when it first came out made it more buggy. As for looking bad that has nothing to do with sunsetting. Stop defending the removal of paid content. Bad enough seasons get removed. But you KNOW it’s temporary. Stuff you paid for before the game was f2p was never known to us that it would be removed at the time of purchase. Thats like buying a house then 3 years later someone removes half of it. But by your logic that’s ok because the house had problems and looked bad. Tf????

[@xAJAxY]

What’s the reason we still don’t have the Red War or Infinite Forest ? Why can’t they bring back our old planets? The witness is dead ain’t it? F the DCV

[@shenanzusen7173]

I'm a relatively new Destiny player. I started little before Lightfall. Man I wish I could play the old vaulted content. I have played every available campaign, every strike, every dungeon, every raid. I'd love to play some of the old stuff.

[@minimelegend]

I still want to see Red War and Forsaken Campaigns return back in the game along with hard mode. The strikes, gambit and PvP maps. Give us Classic Strikes and PvP maps from D1. Bashee weapon testing, D1 exotics that we're still missing, raid sparrows. Day and night cycles. Age of triumph gear!! and then Keep adding more great content for the future.

[@1leggeddog]

Sunsetting was such a shitshow. At least, you can get the stuff from it (armor, guns, exotics). Its just the narrative, quests and locations that arent available anymore

[@adampeabody963]

2:54 at this point it's now like this: either give us back our property, or give us back the money we lost.

[@theredpillneo2296]

Nah I want my money that’s it Money OR property, not property and no money option. They already forced me to remove my many god rolls of old guns, via making them useless and having such a limited vault space

[@morningcalls4]

sunsetting is happening in the game, its been happening in the game. what do you think happens to all of the seasonal content that we get? it goes away. all of the seasonal story, all of the seasonal activities, gone after every year.

[@pituguli5816]

Bro watching these clowns do mental gymnastics is surreal.

[@juansantamaria7476]

Hmm. Kind of. I mean you still keep the lore, weapons, and armor though from the previous seasons. People are just into the current stuff

[@phantombigboss8429]

​@@juansantamaria7476Thats garbage.

[@lunadead]

@@juansantamaria7476 Reminder that the only difference is that you can still, at least, increase the stuff in light levels but let's be real, that shit is still sunsetting since no one can actually go back to those content at all and you can no longer grind it unless you play slot machine with Xur. So yes, sunsetting is happening every season.

[@neojb1989]

No, he's right. All devs suck. I'm a dev. We all suck. Nothing is coded right. Don't trust any of it.

[@joshparnow9044]

Bro… this is what I am thankful for! I am happy that I played this game when I did as much as I did… but I am thankful that I stopped playing so much because it was starting to affect my mental health lol

[@Northguardツ]

The biggest part of sunsetting that I hated were all the characters we all loved, who we still don't know what their fates were.

[@zachbunch8701]

People don’t understand being maxed in OSRS is a feat by itself with which maximum efficiency for 14 hours a day could be done in a year or two but that’s only 13m all skills and it’s cap is 200m which would take an entire decade of dedication lol

[@xincnos9657]

no if you're properly efficient you could get 99 all skills in probably just a couple of months not a whole entire year.

[@zachbunch8701]

@ what does properly efficient require?

[@StartJudgin]

​@@zachbunch8701several bil gp

[@alexprzybysz5865]

He was 200m in rs3 though, much easier to do, probably still not like any other games

[@kodemasterx]

8:15, I would say that the graphics on Whispers on the Wall DLC has better graphics than D2, sure Warframe used to look like crap but their have updated their engine several times and now it looks amazing.

[@ctrllif3]

oh god he’s hooked

[@jimmcmeen761]

Exactly what I was thinking lol

[@hoping_on_hope]

😂 amazing

[@Iron_Born_LLC]

Love this guys review though, totally non-biased, just straight up real and raw new game experience video.👌 That’s a Real Gamer.

[@malcolmcole4689]

Im overall glad i played d2 for 6 years. But also glad i left. It was a toxic relationship and all veterans know it

[@pituguli5816]

Stockholm Syndrome, I'm making the break after next season since I paid for annual.

[@malcolmcole4689]

@pituguli5816 I paid the this year's annual as well! Played all of last season and was just like yah. This isn't fun anymore or healthy. And I was a titan main when prismatic first released. There was like 2 viable builds for titan then. I just hated it

[@pituguli5816]

@@malcolmcole4689 Bro there is still only 2x viable builds for Titan... Consecration and Contact lol. I paid for it so Ima play it but I tell you its getting harder to sit through the slog. I'm running Iron Banner now for the Stasis side arm.. Hackers wow.

[@keith2064]

Exactly played since beta finally left Destiny last month feel free finally

[@Jahwins]

Facts. I started day 1 in D1 was hooked until Feb 2024 went through all the bs for almost 9 years. Finally got over it in Feb, now play Fallout 76 and they just added raids Dec 3, literally yesterday. F Destiny.

[@edkilla420]

Great vid azcross hilarious vid with new light’s experience

[@LakerTriangle]

That cheater analogy is PERFECT!

[@iamSmiley1]

Gun play, movement, and graphics alone. Core mechanics are 10/10 for me it’s so smooth. Lore is great! Mainly the dev decisions ruin the game always trying to cash grab and time sink us in the wrong way. Hope there will be a D3 some day and they do it right.

[@Kaiser8361N]

“You’ll own nothing and be happy.”

[@denvera1612]

😂🤣😂😩😓😢😭

[@RokNDragon]

There are two other Warframe players that have recently started playing Destiny 2, and they have each taken different approaches to the game. DPatriot began his Destiny experience by watching the Red War on YT, and watched a huge portion of the removed story content, all the way thru the entire Forsaken Campaign. He has recently just started on Shadowkeep, and older content like Shattered Throne and the Whisper mission. Watching his videos show how poorly some basic mechanics are explained in-game, despite him being very invested in the story. A handful of minor tips about those mechanics would help him a lot. Q_Quicc also recently started D2, but did not do any research on backstory or watch any of the Red War campaign on YT beforehand. He played the poor campaign of Lightfall as his first introduction to the game. He also started Witch Queen without caring about the story, and is playing thru it from the beginning on another character, after finally researching the history of the game thru MyNameisByf's videos. He seems to have fewer "repeated" mistakes, because he has at least one consistent veteran player helping him when he can't figure something out on his own, and will explain how he can do it. Again, some are because of poor in-game introductions to the mechanics. Despite the different approaches, they are both interesting to watch, each frustrating at times for different reasons. They both love the gameplay and are consistently impressed by the locations and music.

[@EVERTHING_IS_FINE]

I think I'm addicted. I'm here in 1 Minute.

[@SonOfFangLeeFBI]

14:53 I can fix her!!

[@MuscledRMHv2]

Gameplay feels fantastic in Destiny, but I do miss the artistic direction of the original Destiny. It had such a different atmosphere, it felt more immersive and grounded (as far as you can be grounded in this type of game). Destiny 2 looks a bit more cartoony and less detailed (in terms of art) despite better graphics. The worlds felt more alive / ancient despite the D2 worlds having more to do.

[@supersaiyanbino]

I never thought about that, but I totally understand getting upset about sunsetting DLC we paid for. I get the concern of having a huge game, but let us worry about that

[@CilantroChips]

Remember at 6:46 the game didn’t always used to be free :), it was full priced towards the beginning

[@bingleson]

Lol yeh, i still have my old ps4 physical copy of it just collecting dust below my tv. Idk what to do with it

[@kaiyakeoni671]

As a former Destiny vet of 9 good got damn years, I love hearing you say you just want to try other games despite what the masses are saying! Been playing veilguard since launch and have been greatly enjoying my time especially since watching the reviews where for once I feel most reviewers missed the mark when it came to just giving it a chance. Who knows you might just like it and if not oh well

[@TheGraffiti600rr]

I remember red war.... left during Osiris. Came back for the shatter dives and red war was gone. Shrugs.

[@lilbruh1151]

Sunsetting is the biggest scam I have ever seen. It is genuinely the reason I stopped playing after thousands of hours, THERE IS NOT 1 GOOD REASON FOR IT TO EXIST. CoD has optional downloads for old games, ARK has optional DLC downloads for the maps/story and many more games have that too. It is the most scummy garbage I have ever seen, no thats not even true, the MOST scummy thing I have ever seen is sunsetting content then bringing it back with a "NEW" tag on it. Same with seasons, there is no reason for this FOMO garbage, Helldivers has shown that battlepasses can and SHOULD be permanent. How can you justify selling a DLC right before it gets sunset with no clear warning to a new player. As a person who bought all DLC on launch I completed "most" of the content, but I cant imagine watching the trailer for a DLC like Forsaken and you think it looks so sick so you decide to buy it, you play for a few weeks and all of a sudden the best DLC they made in D2 is just gone and all the gear you got is useless, why would you continue playing the game after that, you are down money, your DLC is gone and the gear is worthless like you just started to play the game.

[@DarrellLeeB]

Yeah Andromeda was ok in my opinion. But I highly recommend that NOT being your first Mass Effect experience.

[@jaredowner]

I have had the Mass Effect trilogy installed since it came out. It took me a year to beat the first one and I am only half way through the second. It’s just not a game I want to go back to in 2024. I can see how when it came out it would have been awesome but unless you played it at that point and have the nostalgia factor. It just isn’t that enjoyable and I am a massive sci fan.

[@Star_Kay]

That was great one, thank you!

[@itsjustdroid]

14:53 "SHE FOUND JESUS" 🤣🤣🤣💀

[@jssolly]

I am all smiles right now, only Aztecross can make a video of another video and make it entertaining to look at. The ending 😅 great Video 🎉

[@unknowngaggler17]

I feel like Clyde made a great point about this but we loved pantheon and menagerie but people expect that all the time and the devs can't always provide that kind of juice, we set our expectations so high and not all the devs can use them

[@cerebralassassin2185]

The community is just toxic anymore. I do think areas need improved but the community would probably still complained if it was improved.

[@OscarASevilla]

That's understandable, but to be fair, all they would have to do would be to allow or insert modifiers to the encounters. Pantheon was basically just putting encounters together and inserting modifiers to increase the challenge. It's like the simple solution of offering every raid at normal or master level, but they instead put them in rotations..

[@MrRBX]

Making excuses for them to not have to do better

[@fotis3v480]

Just fix the filing issues with compression or whatever the term for files is and bring the old content back for variety. Many new players would wanna do the old content they never got to do. Imagine having access to MENAGERIE for world weapons,The COIL for older seasonal weapons on top of the exotic missions, imagine having the planets for people to run around while grinding publics for glimmer etc etc. The PvP maps in quickplay even tho some are sht it's still variety etc, destiny has zero variety nowadays. They could also just rotate seasonal content, one week you get coil and the leviathan from season of the haunted bosses, then you get the ketch gamemode from plunder then menagerie then forges etc every week two activities. That would bring more players in. And get a proper team of pvp players to balance crucible so it can thrive... destiny could EASILY rival cod in terms of sales and popularity if they invested in it and it would actually make more cosmetic sales if they fixed the prices to something more normal cause I'm not paying 20€ for an armor set but i would pay 10. 100k sales if 10€ is better than 10k sales of 20€.

[@OscarASevilla]

@@MrRBX exactly. Even more so, they already made that "juice," and people enjoyed it. So why not just leave it in the game, instead of always producing content and then taking it away. Another example is the whole Onslaught space they made before final shape. All those resources and time to make it, and then they take it away once final shape released lol. Instead of reprising weapons, they could just leave the seasonal content from past seasons as well. But again, bungie doesn't want the extra effort of having to maintain it all. Instead of checking boxes off of what the community wants or needs, Bungie just does nothing about it mostly.

[@overson7614]

Getting into this game as a veteran is like that one scene from Interstellar where Cooper is watching himself leave his daughter

[@abyssal-labs]

Steams new policy makes it so if they removed paid dlc they have to refund you bungies about to be very broke

[@cam2krazy576]

I spent upwards of 300$ to even think about staying up to date with friends on the game. 1k hours, once witch queen came, i was fed up.

[@hunterdevillier8198]

We are the same I’d been playing on Xbox for years I swapped to pc and had to buy everything A SECOND TIME just so I could access my characters on xbox.

[@hunterdevillier8198]

And starting a new destiny account after years of grind is an act of war you inflict upon yourself that you will surely lose.

[@RCNGhost]

I tried to get my friend into the game post DCV and he literally gave up on trying to understand and three hours later gave up on playing

[@ecofreestyle7010]

Just off the first thing he talked about, I bought destiny in year 2 for $60 and it came with forsaken, now that the game is free and all those forsaken weapons are sunset and the campaign is gone, where’s my refund?

[@brentbonham9427]

It's interesting to see that after the last dev layoffs, a lot of our community went to warframe, and it seems to have cause an influx of curiosity about D2 frome the warframe community.

[@cerebralassassin2185]

It honestly was a win win. Bith games got new players because of it

[@ItsGBZ]

Factual ​@@cerebralassassin2185

[@lunadead]

@@cerebralassassin2185 Is it really a win when, unlike warframe, new players will just be playing a gameplay demos and they can't really do anything else and they'll have to fork out $100+ just for most content to go into sunset lite (seasonal).

[@ShinoGambino]

That ending music is so beautiful I had to download it just now

[@kingkarma7182]

It is hard to get into the noob missions are unbearable

[@wigxu]

Love this dude! His vibes are on point!

[@GamingStar1995]

Bungie has been winging it since Red War.

[@larswyness1901]

Great insight, every point is right. For newbies, the story is incoherent and you get dropped in the middle with no context, the monetisation popups suck, the menus get confusing, sunsetting was a massive mistake, but the moment to moment gunplay is the best in the business.

[@roguedeathangel]

Destiny truly is a retirement home for millennium FPS fans.

[@ethanrobbins1997]

This.

[@sanchansama9356]

this Guy is ABSOLUTE FIRE!! Had Me Laughing RIGHT AWAY ✌🏽✌🏽💯💯🤣🤣

[@masterSageHarpuia]

I hope with the next expansion and the start of whatever new story they begin, that they revamp the new player experience and make the game a lot more accessible. The game needs new players.

[@quipsilvervr]

I used to play D1 and D2 upto the Witch Queen and I took a break because I was bored of it/ absolutely hated not being able to get rid of the little notice to check the eververse store even after checking it. I kinda got the hankering to go play it again kinda recently after hearing it might be on the up'n'up, but I got hit with SO many DLCs and I just thought "Yeah, no." and it looks like I'm not the only one to feel that way. With Warframe, the new player experience can be a little daunting, but once you get going, it's one of the best games we have right now.

[@farmerstan2513]

If I listened to every opinion of a game before I played it, I'd have very little games...

[@pituguli5816]

And allot more money

[@Exi_xo]

@@pituguli5816 LMAO! Realest follow up ever haha

[@lordvic8072]

Its refreshing to see a new player be positive towards the game. Something he touched on that I've realized is a huge gripe for myself is when he mentions being confused at lack of story/clear direction. The game today feels like it has had all of these systems staples together but there hasnt been much thought as yo how they interact with each other. Its....idk how to properly put it in words but its almost depressing to play for a bit with the five or six different modes/activities but none of them intermingle much. The seasonal content, for me, just hammers that point home even more. I know ppl probably won't share my opinion, but i really hope they rebuild from the ground up and make an interlocked destiny 3. Also rip gambit

[@darkkillz65]

Jorkin it

[@basically_michael6617]

yo peanits?

[@Xyresic.]

Recently I have been guiding my friend through the New Light experience, I really wish it would lock specific quest paths. My friend hopped on a bit later at night when I wasn't there and the game directed them from being in the EDZ shooting dregs to doing the intro quest for the Final shape. There needs to be maybe a small "New Light pack" that has a few of the old missions to get people up to speed on the story and learn what the hell is happening.

[@chuyalvarado1631]

Destiny 2 is an amazing game. Destiny 2 for new players sucks. Destiny 2 for veterans is boring

[@pituguli5816]

Truth

[@Nomadmandude]

Bungie got rid of their community departments.

[@Iron_Born_LLC]

Literally when I hear someone mention anything about RuneScape I always have a “Did we just become best Friends?!?!” Moment.😂

[@mccnalreadydead3124]

200mil rune crafting would literally take a decade.

[@clutchtomcat2498]

It's rs3 not old school you can literally buy the xp in rs3 so not as long as you think if you pay haha

[@77sl33zy77]

Came back and tried to get a couple friends into it… it was just too convoluted. One friend tried to play solo and just couldn’t figure out the mission progression and I couldn’t really explain it without fiddling around 😢

[@DustinMikkelsen]

The story has been so bad, for so long, that I don't even use headphones anymore, and skip all dialogue.

[@buffhorses3632]

I just assume every new character is gay at this point. Not that i care about a fictional characters sexual preference, but because it seems that thats all Bungie knows how to do to win brownie points with the community..

[@Nyx__]

I have 200m all skills on runescape too XD. Playing since 2006. I don't play Destiny, I tried 1 and 2 but I just can't get into it personally. It takes too long to feel like im getting anywhere, in my opinion. The gameplay was fire though and I enjoyed it very much. Love watching Destiny videos though and yours are great.

[@TheTorqueAholic]

0:27 no lies spoken here 😂 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@gustavotslj8934]

I would put more the blame on the studio execs than the actual developers, but I totally get the sentiment

[@ChildOfEnki]

I’m watched his 1st Grasp run. This guy is hilarious 🙌🏼

[@serenist]

Hot take: Destiny community pushes new players away more than the game itself.

[@theremnants6807]

Absolutely. They say the game is bad for new players and don't properly introduce new players but in reality that's how every other multiplayer live service game works. You play and discover how things work yourself just like every other game

[@shadowlight6084]

With how the destiny 2 community is...this ain't a hot take it's the truth. If it ain't current content, if your not doing the constantly ever shifting and mutating "meta", if you haven't already learned how to do every single raid strategy right out the gate. Forget it the community will not bother with you cause to the community your nothing more then a carry and the reason why the game has gotten "too easy"

[@heaf200]

The golden days of destiny are over. In my opinion, it was once a great game, but things have certainly changed for the worst and I don't see an avenue where it ever gets back to what it once was. Sun setting was a disaster, the main story line has ended with no real direction going forward, the community has constantly been rewarded (if that's what you'd call it) with way too much recycled content over and over, the endless grind that is required to stay relevant season after season makes it hard for the casual player to stay engaged long term and this barely scratches the surface of the problems with this game. That said, how do you convince new players to pick this game up with all that's happened? It feels as if this game was supposed to die an honorable death , but massive layoffs at Bungie and tons of bad news surrounding Marathon just to name a few problems lead me to believe they are simply desperate for ongoing revenue. They had no real plan for this game to continue beyond "The Final Shape" and they are just throwing crumbs at the community in an effort to keep the game on life-support.

[@LordPenguin-qx8td]

"Complains about lack of story and puts no effort to learn the story" sounds about right

[@Jacobk-g7r]

8:50 they need to add the hud adjustment options because i wanna take some things off and move them. That would be a pretty good and easy update.

[@chapystick_]

“The story sucks” * skipped the story entirely *

[@stormtroop3016]

Can we really even call the tutorial stuff a “story” anyways? I wouldn’t blame people who just want to play to skip through what they assume is unimportant, and feels unimportant.

[@pituguli5816]

@@stormtroop3016 It is to them

[@derred723]

i've watched this guy recently. I don't even play destiny anymore lol but it's nice to see a new player. I think, one, getting laid off doesn't mean people don't suck. There are layoffs everywhere it sucks, people suck.