B20 VTEC RACE Set-Up Build discussion by SRDmotorsports

[@SRDmotorsports]

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[@Lu-eb7cl]

Wow I’m grateful for the amount of detail you give in your videos. Finally got the motivation to finish the the project I never started. B20v GSR head NA to see if I can keep up on the track with my best friends GR Corolla

[@SRDmotorsports]

Oh that’s definitely nice to know man! And now u can find more “fun” in your project and so go for it! Sounds like a lil beast in the making!

[@frivera735]

I was smoking gr corollas at the track JDM gsr matching trans bolt skunk 1 tuner cam made 178 on a hub dyno gutted car removed front and rear crash bar almost full spherical suspension del sol seat 6 piston bbk gsr rear disc car is a lot of fun didn’t try a bucket seat car was still fast

[@shiftlifegarage3284]

Dam I need a kit to build my b20v times is hard but I am going make it work glad my son showed me your channel I can watch this all day

[@SRDmotorsports]

oh maaaan thanks for that! i hear ya on times being hard... work been slow here too.. well since its a b20 it prolly could do pistons and some crower nonvtec cams (cheaper) stick with nonV head for now if they say "why no vtec?" just say "i got 4 wheel drive bruh" 🤣

[@shiftlifegarage3284]

Awesome it's crazy I was thinking to stay non vtec I kinda love the raw nonV and I think it would be awesome

[@shiftlifegarage3284]

Definitely more reliable as well is what my ultimate goal is

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@shiftlifegarage3284 tbh it’s always at the back of my head… I mean sure it won’t make as much as a vtec version but crower has a decent sized 405 grind I won’t mind the lumpy idle too lol

[@shiftlifegarage3284]

Definitely down my alley I want to build something simple and fun non vtec

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

Here you show a lot of tuning stuff. You also explain it clearly. I like the pics near the track in the end. Great info here. Keep up bro.

[@SRDmotorsports]

yes sir thanks thanks thats the local race track in the south in Batangas City

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

@@SRDmotorsports OK, nice bro. Later still today will write on FB. :)

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@RRRRefuelRideRace have no messenger on my phone for now i removed it

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

@@SRDmotorsports Only laptop?

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@RRRRefuelRideRace yeah i stopped going to fb these days just a little bit cjeckinf on family, because election just annoying seeing news

[@Ek3_8888]

More content like this please 😊

[@SRDmotorsports]

Oh yes sir we got a few lined up actually 😎

[@Vkandypaint]

Keep up the great content! Thank you!

[@SRDmotorsports]

heeeeey whoa :) thanks bud! btw couldnt tell but where you from?

[@lyanbv]

More more more! :D sana maging multipart series yung engine build na ito.

[@SRDmotorsports]

will try on that but the owner is worst than a woman in a shoe store if you know what i mean 🤣

[@ΝικοςΑγκαλιου]

What's the max nitrous you can throw at an engine like this?

[@SRDmotorsports]

maybe not a lot or none as an engine like this was never planned for nitrous

[@omar_alanany]

Eyyyy the moment we've been All waiting for Thanks SRD!!!

[@SRDmotorsports]

yes sir!!!! hope u liked the calculations no guessworkbuilderlikesome 🤣 prolly next i might aswell share a more basic but often times "shortcut" done... properly cleaning internals / block before final assembly

[@omar_alanany]

I love the way this was explained it's so true that 20% knowledge is shared behind the specs but it's great that you mentioned that the 80% part goes on the work very well specified indeed this type of awareness is pure talent such a great content thank you SRD!

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@omar_alanany thanks to you too man! and we all should thank the "secretive" ones we will keep their secret shhhhh 🤣

[@Apexracingbr]

great job! im building a b20 4P b16 head

[@SRDmotorsports]

Oh that will be a strong b20 you are building! :)

[@BelleinLux]

Galing talaga magtrabaho ni SRD, Padami na ng padami ang naghihintay palagi sa new videos mo. 👍😄

[@SRDmotorsports]

thaaaaank youuuu :) btw nkaka frustrate pala pag ganun vid for kids d me mka comment hahaah 🤣 but its cool for safety... saya lng mangulit a bit kase haaaha ginaganahan lng on vids pag may projec pag wala nako 🤣 tamads lol

[@BelleinLux]

@@SRDmotorsports hahaha ingat lang para walang pasaway na magcomment. 🤣 hahahaha pero madami ka naman project kaya walang tamad tamad. kasi nandyan ka palagi. 😆

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@BelleinLux hahaha true on pasaway comment hahaha

[@BelleinLux]

@@SRDmotorsports hahahahaha 🤣

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@BelleinLux dbaaa

[@royalracingtechroyalracing6128]

This is crazy my dad is building a similar kind of build and he always said 2.0 bottom end and the 1.8 gsr head is the perfect motor build and he is 44

[@SRDmotorsports]

oh wow awesome and indeed crazy! just like in the K24 RBB video i mentioned the gsr head is a few cc smaller in port volume than a b16 but that also means excellent torque and u can run "more cam" especially with a 2.0 bottom end cool! even if your dad is years ahead of me see that even old timers "know" whatsup! 😏

[@royalracingtechroyalracing6128]

Check his channel out,,,Shift life garage on you tube he just started it so bare with him show him some love he is building a 98 civic coupe b20v dirt rally car , I also have to say keep the the awesome work brother much love from upstate new York southern tier 🛠🤟❤🙏

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@royalracingtechroyalracing6128 oh snap! Dirt rally?!? Oh I’ll def check it out and awesome he is on here surely you can be his “second sense” to observe what works and helps just don’t troll him 😂 will def check it out after checking F1 now

[@royalracingtechroyalracing6128]

Thank u means alot too me my dad is awesome

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@royalracingtechroyalracing6128 bruh checked it out and got me hooked!! Keep goin :)

[@peterbryant3584]

Nice setup great content 👌

[@SRDmotorsports]

Oh true man actually this set up is still un assembled but it’s exactly like my personal one that’s still on the shelf cuz I gotta finish “making noise” with the d16a6 😀

[@TrackSol]

I am loving these b20vtec build videos. I am going to be building a b20vtec soon. One question, when you say this engine will be on pump gas, what do you mean by “petrol blaze”?

[@findtherightbeat]

He's in Asia and he's referring to Petron Blaze: Type / Quality Level Premium Plus Grade (RON 100) EN 228:2005 PNS Euro 4-PH Have this guy build your head, he's done the WTA head on Elusive's DC2

[@SRDmotorsports]

thanks @findtherightbeat yeah sorry didnt have a logo to insert on the video its 99-100ron so most likely a US 95-96octane rated and suuuuuper glad @TrackSol this entices you and the topic discussed on cams and intake ? same on b16 or b18 the bigger cam weakens the signal towards the end of the duration so either even more comp or better intake or hmm ITB? 😏

[@SRDmotorsports]

@TrackSol lemme know if u dont mind... your planned b20 and pistons so maybe on the next video i can insert a section of the vid computing it for you the compression i mean il record the vid while we compute as we all know... there might be 5 or 10 more in the world planning the same :)

[@TrackSol]

@@SRDmotorsports Sure thing. Since this will be street car using American 93 fuel (98 RON), the build is B20 with B16A head, YCP brand ITR spec 84mm piston with P2P0 rods, ARP2000 rod bolts, Skunk2 valves, springs and retainers, Skunk2 ITR style manifold and Skunk2 70mm throttle body, Skunk2 Alpha V1 header (long 4-2-1 with 1+2 and 3+4 pairing). I still have to buy the pistons/rods, and LMAs. Also, I havent decided on a camshaft yet but I was thinking Skunk2 Tuner3. Do you recommend something else for a street/weekend race build?

[@TrackSol]

@@findtherightbeat Thanks for the info on the fuel.

[@picole321]

That engine os going to be fun. 👍

[@SRDmotorsports]

oh super! it will be... it migjt feel like a TypeR 2 liter more than just a b20 😏

[@picole321]

@@SRDmotorsports yes because One thing you always look out for is for torque not just peak hp.

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@picole321 well because torque drops panties? hahaha kidding hope no girls get offended and report this haha

[@Charlie-uu8so]

How do you cut open the manifold for porting? Are you using the dremel for cutting with what kind of cutting blade? How do you put them back together? Tig weld?

[@SRDmotorsports]

oh hey sorry for the late reply... nice comment now it gives me an idea that maybe one of the future vids we show cutting it 🤣 believe it or not 90% of the cut is using a hand saw with a steel blade for cutting steel (hss) aka "lagaring bakal" my angle grinder as a thick disk the usual ones? so it cute tooo wide so wat i do is i use the angle grinder as "starter" to get the edge started then switch to hand saw... believe it or not since its aluminum? it cuz not as hard as if it was steel... though not as easy as wood 🤣 yes Tig weld it shut after... 90% of the time we clean off the welds and prep the details of the outside so its "mukhang stock" lol

[@Charlie-uu8so]

Thank you po 😁

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@Charlie-uu8so thats for checking it out... and wondering how its cut 😂

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@Charlie-uu8so depending if youre in the south or metro... Edmel the machineshop is at QC who tig welds great and down south is ATi the machineshop too

[@Charlie-uu8so]

Yung ATI machine shop po ba yung sa may santa rosa? ATI group Inc.?

[@johnr924]

How much would it cost me to build a b20vtec? Planning to change my ph16a engine Thanks, love your videos

[@SRDmotorsports]

really depends but since it’s a “vti” it might be more costly due to axles , transmission, linkage costs etc You can hit us up at the new page for more discussions, as the old page i no longer have access to due to my old fb getting hacked

[@ErrickWillich]

You say pump gas what octane. 93 is the highest I have at the pump and I'm building a b20v after doing some calculating is gonna be 13.7.1 compression

[@SRDmotorsports]

97euro octane so 94US equivalent But it’s really on tuning I’ve seen people blow up even on 99 octane and just 12.5:1 comp

[@ErrickWillich]

Now did he have a crank girdle to make it safer to rev it that high

[@SRDmotorsports]

This one didn’t like most b20 but I agree a girdle makes everything more solid

[@LookInward]

B20v ftw! 💯👌

[@SRDmotorsports]

coming from a future Mr 14.1sec :) get it!!! ;)

[@LookInward]

@@SRDmotorsports Will do.. 😊👌

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@LookInward yey!!!

[@prasquete]

Hello That compression calculator can be use for other motor...

[@SRDmotorsports]

yes if u include all the proper measurement like adjust deck height to suit and match as well as combustion chamber volume and piston dome volume crank stroke and rod length together with piston compression height etc

[@vtecnegro85]

Supertechs and Pro 3s :) 💪

[@SRDmotorsports]

Yes sir the simple killa combo 😎

[@vtecnegro85]

@@SRDmotorsports agreed! This was a recipe I always wanted for the streets :)

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@vtecnegro85 maaaaan me too!!!! It’s why til now I keep a secret pro3 for personal use lmfao

[@findtherightbeat]

Are you running seat angles on the intake side quite close to 36°-45°-67°-80° and then blended into the throat? I'd understand if you don't provide the details, just thought I'd ask

[@SRDmotorsports]

that is close yes 35-45-68 mainly the trick is the curve/blend after the 68

[@L3gacyPerformance]

Can I get these numbers with a b16 head made in 94 or better described PR3-2

[@SRDmotorsports]

Yeah i think its fine i mean even here a b16 head is more common perhaps add 0.010" head mill to exceed the gsr comp it gives with their chamber size

[@Will_14_years_ago]

I will be daily driving my del sol b20vtec b16 lsd trans. What kind of power can i make on a fairly simple build and be reliable?

[@SRDmotorsports]

with atleast a pro2 that’s an easy 230+ street motor

[@angeluribe2232]

What's your thoughts on putting an oversized valve on a Honda heads like putting a 1 mm oversized on an intake side in a H22

[@SRDmotorsports]

on D B and H it depends I mean if the set up needs it… like for example if the set up is on Pro3 cams and it’s still “needing” a bit more? As can be seen on the dyno then yep it will help… But let’s say anything mild the stock valve size is good for big numbers as it is

[@angeluribe2232]

@@SRDmotorsports it's because the bottom end is pretty good high-compression 240 psi all across not sure what compression ratio the head and block are almost mailed to the max and Pistons are npr racing 11:1 and I want to make more power the head needs more work everything is stock except the dual Springs and titanium retainers from Super Tech

[@angeluribe2232]

@@SRDmotorsports it's because I seen on the Supertech website they had 1+ valves for my motor and I was thinking about it with a cam Skunk2 tuner2

[@SRDmotorsports]

That would be okay to try but if a Bseries stock sized valve 33mm is good for 308-310cfm then the H22 with bigger valves should top higher than that… and so with that we know unless it’s topping up at 310whp then stock valve size is still okay, safer on P2v and v2v too

[@angeluribe2232]

@@SRDmotorsports I was just wondering what were your thoughts on this thank you for your recommendations , it because a dragster that I met at the drag strip he had an H22 and he told me just to put 1+ valves intake side and get a good head port and to leave the stock cam he said I would make good power but I want to put a bigger cam too cuz i want all the power🤣😂

[@carlosvidal3480]

I think I got my answer on this video, I don’t know? Lol maybe, b18c1 refresh

[@SRDmotorsports]

The hard part is “both” of ur options are top choices so both are good actually !

[@carlosvidal3480]

@@SRDmotorsports the reason I wanted the b18c1 mainly was because I’m able to rev it higher with little sleeve issues

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@carlosvidal3480 well the b20 has less sleeve issues than most think it’s always a tune issue… But for track use? That girdled b18c1? I prefer! 😎

[@carlosvidal3480]

@@SRDmotorsports perfect 🔥

[@SRDmotorsports]

Yes sir! 🔥

[@darylcunanan8972]

Eculater runs 12.5 with street tires or slicks?

[@SRDmotorsports]

Slicks

[@darylcunanan8972]

how many seconds for quartermile on this build

[@SRDmotorsports]

Last we did this diff owner/car it was 12.1sec

[@BRAZIVANOVIC]

Nice setup. You know weight of piston and pin?

[@SRDmotorsports]

Yeah the piston in itself is around 290-295grams the Pin I have not yet weight but yes we do weigh all 4 pistons and match all 4pins together :) Later in the day maybe I can test weigh one piston to reply here… We match the piston weights as shown in an older video about piston balancing that we did :)

[@SRDmotorsports]

if you're subscribed i can weigh the and post a photo in the channel community right now btw Piston and Pin weight :)

[@ek4dr98]

? My builder tells me to ditch my b20vtec and build ls VTEC why is b18 block better

[@SRDmotorsports]

That’s a common misconception, as way back it was claimed cuz the b20 has siamed sleeves meaning the steel part is merged together they say it causes cracks but I’m also a tuner since 2008 and I know cracked sleeve is 98% on the tune and 2% fuel to be blamed Not saying your builder is wrong but we got a b20vtec running 12.5s on pump gas not e85 no trailer a pure street car and it’s been running since 2017 :)

[@gigiofficial5309]

What compression ratio piston jasper running?

[@SRDmotorsports]

12.4:1 1Up pistons

[@aggelostsoleridis1882]

Sir what number spiring for pro 3 peck cams

[@SRDmotorsports]

Skunk2 has the right ones Or Supertech but safer skunk2 for you if I’m not building it

[@661jdmnews]

How much power did this setup end up making ?

[@SRDmotorsports]

This one did 242whp pump… but owner had a different tuner dyno it for them when it was done but all good all good

[@661jdmnews]

@@SRDmotorsports good stuff man very impressive when u say pump gas is it 93?

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@661jdmnews 95 equivalent in the US heheh but I’d run it at 93 just takes more tuning care

[@darylcunanan8972]

May I know how much is the whole budget for this kind of engine build?

[@SRDmotorsports]

With current prices now? It might reach an easy 250-270k But this would whoop Ecu Later’s B20vtec that we built, that already runs 12.5sec on pump gas

[@jdm-r2524]

Question??? I have a 96 spec type-R motor "JDM-R". Should I just do head work and manifold work. Leave bottom stock. Running all motor. With 9k RPM... or leave it all stock. Oh chipped ECU.

[@SRDmotorsports]

I think manifold work and head work is a good start and step forward A compression test could also give better ideas if it’s healthy and what state

[@jdm-r2524]

Yes compression test for sure. Thanks...we'll plan to do head and manifold work.

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@jdm-r2524 ayt cool where is this from?

[@jdm-r2524]

@@SRDmotorsports MN

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@jdm-r2524 oh cool! U gotta beware… I got a pm On the page as u saw we did 201whp on a mild full exhaust b18c SiR right? Got msg his is an ITR engine with aftermarket forged pistons better skunk2 cams etc Dynoed at 198whp LOL! done by a “super lodi shop” thats “mabango” image on FB …told the owner I can’t do anything unless he clears it with the origin of the engine (shop) and we work on let’s say his manifold this way he is a customer but as of now? Sadlyf imagine cost of that (aftermarket pistons and eagle rods)

[@nicholasfabulous]

Any advice for boost ?or does these apply aswell

[@SRDmotorsports]

Oh yes yes only different on boost is pistons choices But it definitely applies and it’s prolly what some don’t share and what most don’t know? Why we see two engines make 350whp But one engine does it at 30psi The other only at 21psi cuz of efficiency Il vote the lower boost cuz less stress

[@nicholasfabulous]

I am trying to improve my set up some advice please I don’t have a Honda but I have Mitsubishi with Mivec

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@nicholasfabulous oooh a Mivec 4g63 cool!! What’s the set up?

[@haryryz3182]

clearance piston ring???

[@SRDmotorsports]

We follow what supertech suggests on their piston it’s on the spec sheet

[@findtherightbeat]

Better geometry = better longevity

[@SRDmotorsports]

maaaan you know it! and a lengthy talk would also be "rod angularity" on "while" the combustion pushes the piston down = better power angle finest example b16a vs b16b granted same piston and cams the 16b wins always

[@findtherightbeat]

​@@SRDmotorsports Interesting thing that's often overlooked when it comes to endurance engines. Same thing with the JDM D15B Vtec vs the D16 for road racing. Some say it's negligible but people have to listen when an experienced machinist speaks to them about cylinders out of round.

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@findtherightbeat yes!!! it is why the d15b is rated the same hp as a d16z6 subsequently Bisi found out (i sent him) a jdm p08 cam it was slightly retarded on vtec maybe just maybe honda knew top end will sing hmmmm

[@findtherightbeat]

@@SRDmotorsports By the way, what ex-manifold will you be using for this build?

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@findtherightbeat actually it might just be the usual smsp style cuz the hytech lay out might "sabit" as owner is a lowrider 🤣

[@marvinreyes6270]

hi sir which one is good ecu for b20 p3f or p75

[@SRDmotorsports]

as long as its a rechipped ecu and tuned by a tuner cuz a stock p3f will just be running like stock

[@Rodman8500]

Yeah Buddy!!

[@SRDmotorsports]

"save the b20 at all cost" :)

[@darylcunanan8972]

How much will cost me for this kind of b20 build?

[@SRDmotorsports]

Locally this is around 250-270k engine Based on current prices but all bnew cams , pistons etc

[@the063one]

thanks for sharing this build sir, pwede po malaman yong link don sa compression calculator? also, I have been hearing na the stage 3 cams or level 3 cams are not for not good for daily use(street car) daw..i guess they are wrong.

[@SRDmotorsports]

yes sorry let me add sa description its zealautowerks or works not sure ung stage stage ng cams i think lumabas sha or reasons sha kase the boxes ng cams says stage 2 for race-street use stage 3 for race ONLY when its cz they know sa US mga mareklamo warranty or if d gumanana theyd blame the brand but stage is just a name or a term its always basta camshaft sha if xxx duration then do xxx approach to make it work or if yyy duration then do yyy approach so it works... you have no idea ang dami din nag sabi sakin na customer na hanggang pro2 lng daw prefer kase street car eh ok ok sige but we have built 3-4 engines na b20 na nka pro3 idled at 850rpm nka aircon pa hmmm 🤣

[@SRDmotorsports]

updated the description now with the link hehe

[@the063one]

actually po im on a stage 3 with 84.5 ycp piston..hehe..any idea po sa CC equivalent don sa dome para ma input ko sa calculator? wow, 850 rpm on idle..swabeng swabe cguro andar nyan sir😁

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@the063one 2.5cc dome ycp im sure dami experts d alam yan 🤣 kase magaling sila 🤣

[@the063one]

11.5:1 static comp ratio result pwede nyo po ma interpret sir? if its not too much to ask po😅

[@spreadhysteria3650]

I think this is the maximum NA build

[@SRDmotorsports]

oh maaaan lets hope! actually.. I hope! :)

[@marcosael8413]

It's a b20 sleeved block or stock

[@SRDmotorsports]

Stock B20 sleeve just like the other b20vtec we did, been running good on the street since 2017 and from 2018 up to today it’s been running 12.5sec B20 stock sleeve

[@marcosael8413]

Thanks you very much bro Can you link the next videos for this set up 😃

[@SRDmotorsports]

Wait let me find the title

[@SRDmotorsports]

Here’s the full build video and set up (Notice one of its onboard) we use as part of our intro 😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnjFlZ6in5uWibMsi=UQBY6mWi-JVUe8nY

[@marcosael8413]

Thankou😉

[@aggelostsoleridis9506]

What size throttle?

[@SRDmotorsports]

This one has a blox Billet 76mm but any 70-74-76mm can work and will just have the manifold ported to work together with it :) Owner already has the Blox from his old engine so we using the same to save cost 😅

[@m2599]

How much does a build like this cost?

[@SRDmotorsports]

Back then (parts were acquired before this pandemic… around 2019-2020) Was around $1,500-2,000 Granted that was including the actual head this is being built from the ground up But some b16 owners or gsr owners may have it cheaper a bit since they got a cylinder head already

[@sharmainecastillo3446]

How much hp did you get on this build?

[@SRDmotorsports]

Hello…this hasn’t been fully assembled/finished as the owner has a newborn now so we know how that goes 😂 but this is an easy 240-245whp pump gas as in 2018 we did a similar but with non forged pistons (1Up) and we got 235whp on full exhaust with a chambered muffler. Interestingly a hatchback That does 225WHP (Jasper’s) is a 12.5sec set up on pump gas (Blaze) While earlier on (on Wiseco pistons) we did 233whp and that hatchback ram 12.1sec

[@sharmainecastillo3446]

12.5 sec pump gas blaze and your using a stock 4.4 s4c tranny?

[@SRDmotorsports]

@@sharmainecastillo3446 yes ITR tranny

[@shiftlifegarage3284]

😎🛠❤🚗

[@SRDmotorsports]

quite odd i didnt notice notifications must be updates goin on lol

[@mradidasppkfrmMCst]

How much horsepower this made ?

[@SRDmotorsports]

Not yet done on this but we have made 235whp on just 1Up pistons and this has a gsr head and more comp on the pistons so hopefully atleast 240whp :)

[@IwaltSwanepoel]

How can you run 13:5:1 on pump gas

[@SRDmotorsports]

It’s on skunk2 pro3 cam (even tuner 2 is fine) with proper tuning and right cam it is doable