Fighting Game Remakes

[@Kaius.]

it's crazy to me that tekken tag tournament's PS2 version *still* looks fantastic. definitely one of the best graphically aged titles

[@leithaziz2716]

Good lighting and shadows can hold the test of time. There are a lot of PS2/Xbox era titles that aged a lot better than many PS3/360 era titles, which looked good at the time but are held back by today's standards due to strange color filters, letterboxing, too much bloom, etc.

[@snootlongbottom]

It was such a good launch title 👌

[@baberuthless]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@BigCheeseEvie]

Definitely the best looking Tekken game on ps2

[@umgogo]

I remember thinking that it was the first 3D fighting game to actually look good, and it holds up surprisingly well today.

[@shiningknight23]

I still don't understand how SEGA didn't release Ultimate Showdown on PC

[@baberuthless]

Wow that is ridiculous, I had no clue it still wasn’t available still

[@leithaziz2716]

Sony deal is my assumption.

[@brunoberserk8010]

and i still dont understand why sega didnt just release a ''virtua fighter collection'' , or sega arcade collection , with last bronx ,fighting vipers ,spikeout ,etc . is like they hate money

[@ericraymondlim]

@@brunoberserk8010 yeah it’s a bummer most collections don’t go past the fourth generation of consoles. When later 3D games do get released, they seem to be stashed in Yakuza games only.

[@dalelumina3]

only way to play it is to buy a yakuza game 💀

[@datankle7519]

That extremely subtle Michelle Chang got me 😂 I’ve been wanting her back for so long

[@UltimateMovieMaster]

A set of games I'd love to see remade are ones like the Hyper NeoGeo 64 fighting game catalogue or console exclusive Saturn games like Fighters Megamix, remaking games from the ground up that just can't be emulated consistently.

[@baberuthless]

Now that’s what I’m talking about! This guy gets it!

[@BainesMkII]

While even further from a remake than VF1-in-VF4, I liked how Capcom added "recreations" of single player SF1, SFA, SF2, SF3, and SF4 in Street Fighter V. While it functionally was just SFV with restricted rosters, Capcom put a bit of effort into it. In a few cases where a character wasn't available, Capcom used a similar stand-in (such as using Balrog for SF1 Mike or G for SF3 Q). Also to help fill gaps, "appropriate" characters were sometimes added to a "game" (such as SF1 also including the Final Fight characters). Each "game" offered endings for all of its available characters, either recreations of the original endings, or completely new endings for stand-ins or new characters. Characters would receive retro/vintage outfits when available. When available, minigames and even secret boss conditions were included. Etc. It was a neat extra mode, and made a nice playable way to catch up on the history of the franchise.

[@Rhino-n-Chips]

Virtua Fighter remix was also available on PC, with a toggle to use the old or new graphics. It was my first VF game, and the only one until I bought Evolution later on. The demake mode would have been a dream come true to me, reliving the nostalgia of one of the first games I had on Windows 95. But as you said, they just took it out of the PAL versions for some reason, and I didn't even know it existed until almost a decade later, which was especially painful when I remember wondering what the new characters would look like in the old blocky form.

[@baberuthless]

Being able to toggle and new and old graphics is one of the best features in games in general

[@TonyTheTGR]

One thing I've beaten around in my design documents is like a "compiled demakes collection" as an alternative to a budget vs. new release approach. Like taking the core mechanics of a game, and whittling it down to a Top 9 roster of each title, to catch the competitive scene spirit of each title without doing all the legwork of a 100% remaster/recreation. Like for instance... a Tekken 3/Tag remake that only contains Ogre, Jin, Heihachi, Xiaoyu, Law, Eddy, Paul, King, and Nina; but still features Force, Ball, Time Attack, and Team Attack modes. Pair this with similar demakes of T5, TTag2, and T7 like a sampler disc and you're golden.

[@TonyTheTGR]

PS: As someone significantly more experienced in DoA and VF than myself, I'd be interested in hearing which titles you'd port like this, and what your minimized rosters would look like for those in particular!

[@VOAN]

Soul Calibur itself look like a 32-Bit game in the arcade but when it was released on Dreamcast was an amazing 128-Bit masterpiece. Killer Instinct Gold was similar too, while KI2 was 2D using FMV for the arena in the arcade, in the N64 version everything were remake in 3D polygons while keeping the 3D render sprites from the arcade.

[@imafgc]

Virtua Fighter kids existing and being it's own separate game is still so wild to me. I grew up playing the Bloody Roar games and they had unlockable features which included big head mode, big hands mode and chibi mode and these essentially turn the character models to what you see in Virtua Fighter Kids

[@drenkrod9811]

I haven't played it, but if I didn't know better, I would've called DoA2U a 360 game. That's how good it looks.

[@alexissustaita2529]

DOA2U is such a beautiful game that still holds up after 20 years later and I wonder if you can talk about other versions and re releases in home consoles of fighting games soon, as always another great video and take care 👍

[@JimmyAnchor]

DoA Dimensions was top notch imo!

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

I still have it!

[@Ricoscurrentworld]

I just found your channel! I’m glad I did! Great work!

[@eluard9238]

Some titles you referred as "remake" are not remake actually. Both TTT1 and SC1 were basically "visually updated" versions on the console.

[@The4thSnake]

DOA2U is still my favourite DOA. Never could get Hitomi to unlock, I don't think, and I had saves of both DOA3 and X1 on the system.

[@baberuthless]

you got ripped off! They should have included an alternate unlock for her without the save data

[@BeeLy1011]

Thankfully that requirement is removed in the Xbox One/Series X rerelease

[@heardofrvb]

I'm personally more fond of Dimensions.

[@SomeAndroid]

@@heardofrvb Yo. I love dimensions, such a fantastic fighting game on the 3DS.

[@Ratchetcomand]

The KOF94 Rebout does have a kickass intro.

[@heardofrvb]

Am I the only one feeling nauseous on SF2HD backgrounds due to the elements not having vertical movements when characters jump?

[@PontonFSD]

Playing online matches of DOA2 Ultimate via Insignia is such a nostalgia trip. Also since the global network infrastructure has improved in the past 20 years, all you have to do is make sure you have your Xbox router ports open. I mean playing online survival mode with a lobby of 8 people is just so exciting and aadly still unique.

[@joeabernathy5402]

First-time viewer. Love the content. It's time to binge the whole channel.

[@baberuthless]

Glad you like it ! Thank you 🙏🏼

[@gc3k]

I'd like a visual-only remake of Street Fighter 4, that retains the Daigo Ikeno art direction but gives the models more polygons

[@mrmacross]

HD Remix was indeed stifled by maximum download sizes. They had to remove the intro, and if memory serves, they had to ask Udon to redraw all the sprites because they were initially too detailed. The removed intro is on KZbin (incidentally, it's animation is worse than the original...). There was an article, I believe, from 2007 or so that had side-by-sides of an old, overly-detailed sprite and a new one that made it into the final game.

[@ChrisMS0815]

Never knew KoF 94 had a remake, I'm actually interested in trying it.

[@LeonMassey]

18:08 michelle jumpscare

[@baberuthless]

Subliminally getting the word out on what should be the FGC discourse in the next month.

[@alexandreturcotte6411]

[Reads it with Leon's voice]

[@gam5093]

baberuthless upload 🔥

[@SmoothAsUsual47]

I love your channel so much! ❤

[@baberuthless]

Truly appreciate you saying that ❤️

[@SmoothAsUsual47]

@@baberuthless your Reina cosplay was incredible btw!

[@baberuthless]

@@SmoothAsUsual47 Thank you! Shes so fun to cosplay

[@lifehertz]

babe, wake up! a new baberuthless video just dropped!

[@Eddieistheillest]

I want to play this youtuber in ANY fighting game and see how it goes.

[@Winter-mj7tq]

Demakes are fun. It'd be neat to see it done more often. Also, it blows my mind that they have VF5 almost fully playable in the Yakuza/Like A Dragon games on PC, yet there's no PC port for VF5.

[@leithaziz2716]

I don't how common this perspective is amongst Street Fighter fans, but I think the Redone character designs for SF2 Remix look great in solitude. However, the decision to replicate the animations directly from the original SF2 highlighted the stiffness of some motions, and it didn't mesh well with the more detailed sprites. Which I think is where most of the controversy stemmed from outside of "I don't want change". I don't know if redoing them would have been on the table either (or what the SF fans wanted), since SF4 was already in the works as the next new thing, and projects relating to SF2 tend to act as a safe investment for Capcom.

[@baberuthless]

You hit the nail on the head. In screen shots this game looks insane but in motion it’s jarring seeing the same stuff frames with this art style

[@SirIsaacFortesque]

Remakes are kind of a hot topic when it comes to "Are they good or bad?" I personally don't have too much of a problem with them, but I understand some problems people have. As for fighting games, well there aren't really any remakes I could want, most of the time I'd rather have a remaster or port or collection, but if I had to pick one game to be remade, I'd pick one that probably no one would pick, Castlevania Judgment, it's not a horrible game in my opinion, but I can get why most fans don't like it, you wouldn't have to change much either, just take the game, make it play better in a different style or try to make the idea of its gameplay better, and give us the regular designs for the characters as their default, instead of the new ones, I'd have no issue if they were alt costumes, and plop the rest of the stuff in the game unchanged aside for when it needs to be because of how the gameplay would change. Do all that and I think we'd have a pretty good Castlevania fighter.

[@baberuthless]

The remakes of what i want are unrealistic ones at this point and they would all require new sprite art

[@snootlongbottom]

DOA dimensions I think wouldn’t count since it’s more of its own thing than a remake or collection. So I get its exclusion.

[@NeoKokoro20]

It's basically DOA's answer to Mortal Kombat Trilogy, having every character in the series up to that point, including bosses, but not part of the official canon.

[@JOfJaZ]

"Number one Tekken Fan Itagaki" Oh you little troll. 🤣🤣🤣

[@heathmcrigsby]

Super SF 2 was a full engine redo as it moved from CPS1 to CPS2 architecture.

[@superajsfighting]

Dead or Alive 2: Ultimate was AMAZING!!!

[@SmoothAsUsual47]

Hell yeah brotha!

[@BeeLy1011]

2U supremacy 😌

[@PontonFSD]

Thanks to Insignia you can now say "is AMAZING!!!"

[@brandonchacon7745]

Great video! I do feel like many of these games don't get remakes because each new game holds a "remake" quality to it. Sure these games have different stories, but that's not what matters for the most part in fighting games. For example, A remake of SF2 in the SF4 Engine would just be SF4... Which is not the same for say remaining metal gear solid in a new engine. These games honor so much of their predecessor already that it's not worth making an entire new version of an old game when you can make a new one with the same characters. Some games are exceptional, because of game play mechanics or unique character selections (thinking 3rd strike compared to the rest of SF) and those games are probably the easiest to green light remakes for.

[@baberuthless]

That’s a great point since it would have to go beyond just graphics for a fighter to be a proper remake and not just a new game. The mechanics of tweaked would kinda have to go in the vein on hd remix perhaps

[@conradojavier7547]

Expect SF2 Already had an Update, it's called HD Remix.

[@brandonchacon7745]

@@conradojavier7547 you misunderstand the point I'm making. I was referencing the comparison to Resident evil, and other remakes that take the spirit of the original with modern graphics and mechanics. HD remix is a great remake, what's also true is that it stays faithful to its old SF2 mechanics which makes sense for a fighting remake... Like I said in the end of that comment ("some games are exceptional, because of game play mechanics...") Some games don't change as much as street fighter does, there are plenty of games where the sequel is just a balance patch with more characters, new stages, and a new move or 2, which would make the old game less exciting to go back to.

[@willemverheij3412]

I feel like with any games, the early 3D ones seem like the best candidates to be remade with a nice graphical update and extra content. Because they visually aged the worst but did tend to be pretty different in gameplay because developers really where experimenting at the time. Mortal Kombat 4 would be the Mortal Kombat game I'd choose for a remaster, going with the Mortal Kombat 4 gold roster of course with maybe a few additional characters if they make sense to be there in the story at the time. Could have some extra costumes and stages too. But all the moves, stages, pulling weapons during a fight and all that, could all be there. Remade endings too with better voice acting and animations since those all where pretty awful. Seeing how every Mortal Kombat seems to have several characters who only appeared in that one game before getting ditched or being reduced to a cameo appearance or obligatory appearance in either Trilogy or Armageddon since they included everyone, there is also some extra appeal there too. MK 4 has Kai, Jarek, Reiko and Fujin who don't appear much, Tanya is rare too. Could also be interesting if some of the extra characters are actually from later in the series adapted to MK4 gameplay if they'd make sense to be there in the timeline. The MK kids couldn't be there since no time skip, but Kenshi could be there, possibly before he went blind even. Noob Saibot could be there since he was initially planned to be. Kano too since Jarek uses his moveset anyway.

[@DonVecta]

Let me tell you, the HD versions of Street Fighters are dreadful. I stick to the classics. As for VF5 made in Dragon Engine, we ALL we finally waiting for the Yakuza characters being playable and not just the main VF characters cosplaying them. I mean, Akiyama going kicking asses would be so boss. Also, the true crossover 3D game we need is Tekken x VF. WE NEED IT! AND YES, TEKKEN TAG TOURNAMENT IS THE ULTIMATE REMIX EVER MADE. We all loved it. Perhaps one of the best Tekken games ever made even to this day (a lot of people still play it competitively to this day) BTW, as for 94RB there IS a bonus that the arcade version doesn't have: Playable Saishu Kusanagi. I mean, he's essentially his 95 self but hey. I liked it as it was, despite the overdesigning, and those characters are actually pixel art but rendered in bigger sprites (I have the sheets myself). Also, perhaps if we talk about remakes or re-editions, you should have mentioned KOF 2002UM and 98UM. Both games are like upgraded versions of the vanilla 2002 and 98 but adding their saga's missing characters, adding/improving stages, keeping the basic gameplay but adding more balance and further techniques (more noticeable in 98UM making EXTRA mode useful and making the new mix and max Ultimate mode the best of it all.

[@baberuthless]

Tekken tag 1 may be my second favorite in the series. It’s so gorgeous even now

[@meganinten0078]

SNK was lazy with the remake of KOF 94' A better idea was making a remake of KOF 95, that game plays much better than 94 Imagine a remake of KOF 95, fixing the crazy stuff and the roster is the same as the original 95 plus the American Sports Team

[@brichan1851]

Regarding Ultra Street Fighter II, I tried to play online the other night. I must have sat there, looking for a match for like 45 minutes before I gave up. I even tried hosting. Nothing. No one is out there, anymore. Too bad. It’s such a fun game!

[@krono5el]

imagine a proper SF alpha 2 or SF third strike with all new giant hd sprites with like 24 frames of animation flowing and looking like silk. that would be amazing but prob take millions of years and monies to do.

[@realamericannegro977]

Pretty sure 3D is more expensive than 2D. I think people are under the impression that 2D is more expensive due to what the developers of Kof 13 said. The reality is their technique was cutting edge and their staff and budget didn't match the scope of the project.

[@skybluebrad2781]

I'm so glad hearing oc remix got to do the music on a Street Fighter remake. I love the tunes you can find on there

[@shikamaru526]

Incredibly well researched video! Fantastic job!

[@Monhamd1000]

Fighting game remakes needs to return one day.

[@ChipDamageMike]

DOA2 Ultimate was also my first online fighter. I feel like that game is so slept on because it was an Xbox exclusive. Some of the characters had …20 unlockable costumes? Also the hits felt so SOLID in that game. Can we get a re-release of remake? I’m happy it’s BC with Series X, but still… Great video as always

[@Ratchetcomand]

It would be cool if Third Strike got a remake with some new characters like Sagat, Juri, Zangief, Laura, Sakura, and Jamie.

[@Hecatom]

I remember the size limit being impossed on the games by xbox, it really fucked many games back in the day :/

[@baberuthless]

I think Xbox just saw digital games at the time as Mini games like Pac-Man and Classic SF2 and people kept trying to push those limitations placed on them

[@Shayisgood]

Virtua Fighter Remix was released at retail in England at a budget price in a cardboard box. We never got the VF4 anniversary edition as far as I'm aware.

[@walterlucero5757]

Ultra Street Fighter 2 was my reason to buy a Switch!

[@baberuthless]

Same here😅

[@lennywright5655]

I bought it for Zelda BotW and the Switch itself but, I was literally counting the days till USF2 came out.

[@WaynesWorld12]

Baberuthless ❤back at it again!

[@joandarc441]

Yo Marvel vs Capcom collection has been released ❤❤❤❤ let's go 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥!!!

[@GamerDeMeia]

Kaiser, uma grande cerveja. A cerveja dos momentos felizes...

[@HoroJoga]

8:30 funny trivia: the cuts you used from that VCDECIDE channel shows him complaining in portuguese about nobody hitting the like button

[@meganinten0078]

Yeah...KOF 94 Rebout was unnecesary. The only possitive some of the remix tracks (AST) are very good Makes me wonder why SNK didn't just make a remake of KOF 95 After all, '95 was an updated version of '94 Imagine a remake of KOF 95 with characters more "balanced" and with the roster of the original 95 roster plus the American Sports Team. 😊 Edit: I really wanted a remake of KOF 2001 I don't hate the game, in fact I really like the unique gameplay and the striker system. If only they hadn't rushed its development.

[@capoman1]

The jump from ps1 to ps2 was phenomenal, probably the biggest jump in graphics in the modern era.... Sadly I bought the Dreamcast. But I ended up getting a ps2 with a mod chip and had over 150 games.

[@TranceCore3]

my first time coming around your channel, this is a dope video. I'll share my opinion on why fighting game remakes are uncommon: 1. The core player base preferred arcade perfect ports for most games in the early days (and those were rare), so for the most part, people prefer the arcade originals (this is also the same for the rhythm game community). 2. Anytime a new version of the game is made (SSF2T: HD Remix, USFII,) it tends to get ignored. HD Remix did have a buzz around it but the game caused a divide. Now there are Super Turbo players, and HD Remix players, because the games just aren't the same. But competitively Super Turbo is still played. Even Hyper Street Fighter 2 (Super Turbo's first sequel) gets ignored in favor for Super Turbo 3. Most of these old games got yearly updates, similar to Madden, NBA live and the like, and were also being released as separate titles. Now-a-days these updates are DLC. Try to remember buying Street Fighter 4, then Super Street Fighter 4, then the Arcade Edition Patch, then Ultra Street Fighter 4. 4. Just make a sequel. As much as I'd love a "Playable" Street Fighter 1 with its whole roster, I just know it'll never happen. Especially since there is a world narrative in these fighting games. In this regard, SF Alpha 2 is really a remake of SF Alpha 1, not a sequel as it serves to undo everything SF Alpha 1 did.

[@baberuthless]

I would have to agree with every single point made here

[@strippinheat]

The difference between remaster and remake is quite clear by definition. A remaster means they took the original data and ported it to more powerful hardware that could output closer to the original master. Something like Grandia 2 or Okami where the games were made with much higher resolution than the hardware could handle so they had to be downgraded. When they port the master files to a more powerful system, they no longer had to scale them back. A remake is when they have to actually create new data. If they need to redraw a sprite or create whole new polygonal models, they've made something new. Hence re-making it. New modes or anything else are just bonuses. Even adding new modes to something that's just a remaster doesn't make it a remake since it's still the same data arranged in a different way.

[@Greenmeanie123]

I agree with all of this. That being said the video game industry themsekves be fukckin up this definition like metroid prime remaster on the switch has redone models and graphics but its still called a remaster. Cant blame folks for being confused when shit like that happens

[@ChrisMS0815]

People think a remake has to completely change the story, gameplay and level design ever since RE2 Remake and FF7 Remake came out. It's like nobody remembers 1:1 remakes existed before those games. We had games like Super Mario All Stars back on SNES that remade all 8 bit Mario games in 16 bit graphics. And yeah the industry themselves a part of the problem, I believe Crash Bandicoot Insane Trilogy and Tony Hawks Pro Skater 1+2 were also called remasters by the devs.

[@dokferr]

"The legendary fighting series returns with Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown! Challenge the greatest fighters in the world in the ultimate *remaster* of the classic 3D fighter, now featuring gorgeous HD graphics, new online features, and all the bone-crunching, martial arts combat of the renowned original. Master your fighting style to defeat all challengers in the Fifth World Fighting Tournament and become a Virtua Fighter legend!"

[@dokferr]

​@@Greenmeanie123Because it's truly just a remaster. Nintendo put the right label there. Games like Metroid Prime Remastered, Xenoblade Chronicles DE, Halo CE and 2 Anniversary and VF5 Ultimate Showdown are all just remasters, not remakes.

[@zebra972]

Nice video! I was hoping to see KoF2002UM but since i already know about that one,it doesnt matter, i didnt know about the sega ones so thanks

[@Rarefuture25]

HD remix was incredible to experience. I loved the rebalancing and I’m a bit salty the music from that game is stuck there.

[@Maxwel_Rodrigues]

The KOF '94 Rebout footage has some bugs and stage pop-ins that I've never seen playing on my PS2

[@baberuthless]

Didn’t capture the footage on a ps2 👀

[@Maxwel_Rodrigues]

​@@baberuthless YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE 😸 It's been a long time since I played KOF '94 Rebout (and I didn't play that much either), so for a moment I had doubts as to whether the pop-ins were from the game or not. 😅 Keep up the good work, you're one of the few content creators whose video I watch regardless of the topic (and I love the topics you cover). P.S. I'm sorry if there are any errors in the comment, I translated everything using Google Translator. My English for listening is great, but for writing it is quite rusty.

[@Pestigirioso]

I'd love a hd remix of 3rd Strike, and the super turbo to be available on pc! I just found this channel and I wanted to say: great video! New sub here!

[@GameGameHeaven]

If I remember correctly VF Remix was released in Europe for half the price AND it came with the CGI renderings on a bonus CD (which were released seperately in Japan). We NEVER got the 10th Anniversary version though in Europe.

[@dynastymusou8906]

Yes, we did. But we never got to buy it. There is a promotional disc for Virtua Fighter 10th Anniversary that was given either to the press or as a prize is some sort of contest (I have no source for this). But is has been released. I own one of these discs because I got lucky on a for sale listing once but it's an expensive thing to get nowadays. It's strange that even with the PAL version of Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution, it's unavailable. It just isn't on the disc there. Odd...

[@GameGameHeaven]

Oh yeah, that's right. It was an item for promotion and not for sale. :/

[@AlexIn_ThaCosmos89]

Babe Ruthless Straight outta Cobra Kai LOL Nice

[@Catbattle]

The Darkstalkers 3 remake getting rejected is depressing, that sprite looked absolutely gorgeous.

[@hermit6123]

Ah man you forgot to mention the amazing 94 Rebout intro though!

[@baberuthless]

Your right 😭

[@capoman1]

Tekken Tag tournament is still special. It was the only Tekken to bring back all the players from Tekken 1, 2, 3, and even add never before seen players... And I believe it had Tekken bowling, which my wife would play with me.

[@baberuthless]

Tekken bowling in tag 1 was so phenomenal ! Even my parents played that mode

[@Micha-Hil]

Honestly I kind of wish Tekken Tag 2 got ported to newer consoles. I'd love to see the game with less input buffer, better netcode, etc

[@eluard9238]

It does. You can play the game on both Xbox One and Series X tho.

[@RansomedSin]

Kinda crazy that Tekken Tag Tournament has had 3 releases for three different systems. Would be cool to get a Tekken 3 remake.

[@NewGabeOrder]

Other than KOF '94 ReBout, '99 Evolution, '98 Ultimate Match and 2002 Unlimited Match exist. 2002's was far superior to the product that came out seven years prior, and '98 UM was a nice novelty bringing back everyone from the Orochi saga (except '94 Kyo and Nakoruru). However, I want to see a KOF XI remake. I heard SNK lost the source code to KOF XI, but if they produce a from-the-ground-up remake, that would be amazing. No non-canonical dream match KOF had tag-team gameplay, but it would be sweet to see a KOF XI remake in the modern era and have everyone from 2003 back in.

[@leonardohenriquez7814]

DOA Ultimate was my first Online fighting game too! The original Xbox had so many great fighting games! I also played Third Strike on Xbox live thanks to the street fighter 15th anniversary collection. People were crazy good at that game. I hated that the original Xbox didn’t have WiFi compatibility so you had to hook it up to a router. The router was in my parents room and I was broke high school/college kid too poor afford Xbox live so I couldn’t play online often 😔

[@madspunky]

I loved the rebalancing changes of HD Remix: all fighters were now competitive and the best ones were cheap. David Sirlin did this, great game designer. I wish Ultra SF had been the same!

[@LoganTheDevilMayCryFan]

I actually remember my dad having Super Turbo HD Remix on PS3. He always beat my ass in it. I have gotten better at it though

[@theraymunator]

I love USF2, it's a lot of fun for what it is, and I hope it gets ported to other platforms eventually.

[@SBandy]

I love Ultra Street Fighter 2. Best version for me as it doesn't have the crippling difficulty of SSF2T and I love the character customisation and artbook.

[@inklingex4433]

I find it funny how Sega made Virtua Fighter Kids just to appeal the younger audience and then Sonic the Fighters existed, which is truly the VF Kids they literally dialed in, even moreso than that game. Both of these games came out in the same year also. Anyway, we can all agree that Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate is what you can called a "peak fighting game remake"

[@Michirin9801]

Though it's not official, there's a fanmade remake of Street Fighter 1 made with Mugen which is pretty cool, and my favourite fighting game series, Asuka 120%, is comprised entirely of remakes lol

[@tableprinterdoor]

4:00 and then imagine if you could play this game in the Tekken Lounge against other people

[@souljasleet]

My main takeaway for why fighting game remakes don’t happen is the replay ability of these games and the meta as well. Third strike wouldn’t be third strike anymore if they change the balancing of the game and remade some of the directions taken like the sound chun li makes when she whiffs a button.

[@BetterThanDoomWithAZ]

Sometimes I prefer the original game over the remake, but I will say, seeing this footage of Street Fighter in HD lets me finally know which city Ken Masters is from!

[@tracyndiyob162]

think a remake for a fighting game could happen like for tekken(tbh remember that the most of 7 including all the endings of 16/tag & the commercials/pachinko.) & mvc(origins had the darkstalkers resurrection problem of being digital for something that should've been physical/should've included x-men vs. street fighter.) with how a lot of people want x-men 97 to crossover into the marvel vs. capcom games like a remake of the original or a special episode appearance/season cliffhanger tease.

[@zakirstocks9514]

*Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers* is definitely and totally one of THE Best Epic *Street Fighter II* Remake Games there is for the Nintendo Switch System!

[@TMNTfever]

You should've mentioned some of the demakes to portable, like SF2 Turbo Revival, Tekken Advance, or Battle Arena Toshinden for the GB.

[@baberuthless]

0:32

[@F1ghtGam3r]

I never played Soul Calibur 2 Online Edition. But from I hear, the frame rate was off. I also never played MVC Origins 🙁

[@HybridAngelZero]

Now that you point it out, it's really surprising how few fighting game remakes there are in comparison to other genres. Then again, fighters may be the genre that's changed the least since their inception point. Not a bad thing, it's just that the genre nailed things down early and didn't need drastic overhauls. I am curious why fighting remasters (like MvC Origins) tend not to sell too well though. Maybe genre enthusiasts either want to focus on the newest games everyone is playing or already own whatever old game that's no longer available on modern platforms if that's the one they want to get into?

[@elneco4654]

Well, those remasters end up not selling too well because of just being the games few want to play (For example, Darkstalkers Resurrection has the iffy Ds3 and the first Ds instead of Vampire Savior, MvC Origins has MvC1 and MSH instead of MvC2 - though to be fair MvC2 was already online at the time) and as of this day and age most old games nowadays have much more ease of access (and in fact said means now add stuff that isn't even available in those remasters such as frame data and have even implemented training modes).

[@KenMasters.]

If only HYPER Street Fighter II was also a remake, instead of an outdated iteration. The game lacked 3 things: • An option where players can choose between the classic graphics and sprites, or the modern Capcom vs. SNK style graphics and sprites. • It needed a 6th mode called "Hyper", where all of the characters have secondary Hyper Combos, such as Ryu's Shin Shoryuken, and Guile's Sonic Hurricane. • There also needed to have "Normal", "Champ" and "Turbo" versions of Akuma, Cammy, Dee Jay, Fei Long and T. Hawk.

[@romainramel1919]

regarding soul calibur and tekken tag, only the graphic part of the engine were remade. the gameplay is the exact same (same hitboxes, frame data, speed etc..) which explain why both versions could be played competitively regardless of the system. regarding SF2HD remix it's true that they had to cut graphical assets because in the early days of 7gens consoles the xbox live and psn imposed a strict restriction in the file size of digital games. if it was released later in the life cycle of the console, the game could have looked better.

[@DevilMayCare4]

New video hype

[@Alevice]

I think a key problem is that with a single player remake, you can add new mechanics and mix and match with the content as seen fit. With multiplayer driven games, there is the fine line on how much new stuff you want to add/adjust without changing the core mechanics and roster most people expect to be, and how much would rather just merit a new game/title at that point, Like with KoF 94, if they spent a higher budget with the sprites and added new mechanics and perhaps changed a few moves anf shit, is it still kof 94? From a business standpoint im sure companies are aware that a new game in a competitive series sells more than a remake, and several games have proven that for the worse. I have had this happen in a rts mod im working. Core mechanics affect a lot of player perception and muscle memory and while some qol are well received, many think they detract of what the spriit fo the game is. In short, they are by definition, divisive

[@baberuthless]

Very good point, I think yes to your question on if they did a revamp of kof 94 it would still be a remake oer a reboot. As long as it has the same Plot and charcaters then that essence is still there. If the mechanics are refined and perhaps not replaced, I think that adds to it being a remake too. but like you said theres a fine line. Like if KOF 94 played and looked exactly like KOF 15 Id say its a remake still but if it played like KOF 11 with its tag mechanic thats harder to argue a little.

[@Alevice]

As much as i play the games for the plot, the reality is that the marketing point is pvp imo. At least thats how i see it. But i think in perhaps older games. What happens when you add sf styled parry to sfa for example

[@baberuthless]

@@Alevice No your right about that too. Gameplay is paramount when it comes to fighters

[@glovedcop69]

Man DOA is an amazing fighting game... talk about a series that still looks killer by today's standards

[@matitone]

i don't know if i should call it a remake, but the zeebo, verizon wireless phones and some japanese phones featured a tekken 2 port with enhanced graphics, it has no more wobbly textures and slightly better looking models, unfortunately it features a midi soundtrack and for some reason the tekken 5 announcer voice lines, it's not possible to emulate it yet unfortunately

[@tedjomuljono3052]

Dead Or Alive PS1 port is also a remake of the original Dead Or Alive, where they use a different engine than the original, which uses the same one as VF2 the arcade version of this exists as Dead Or Alive ++

[@jax2611XD]

great video!

[@WheeledHamster]

"Goofy shit," that's funny.

[@DarkOverlord96]

"It just bums me out that in a time when remakes are more prevalent than ever that we don't have any for fighting games." Given how some modern remakes turn out, *THANK GOD.*

[@plaguedfrost1753]

@baberuthless Late to the party but you said all the remakes you wanted would need new sprites… What remakes would you want?

[@baberuthless]

Good question! Fatal fury 1 is pretty up there, but also pocket fighter and capcom vs snk 2. None of those sprites are bad at all of course I’d just like to see what brand new sprites would look like for those games

[@plaguedfrost1753]

@@baberuthless CVS 2 in the style of SF2T HD, or just drawn? Or like 3D models? Or just better sprites?

[@baberuthless]

Definitely not hd remix style. But just something brand new it doesn’t have to be 3rd strike level

[@jazzygeofferz]

Do the Saturn and PlayStation versions of Street Fighter The Movie count as remakes rather than ports of the arcade since Capcom ostensibly just stuck the assets into a version of the Super Turbo engine for them?

[@baberuthless]

That’s good question but I’d personally say that’s a new game at that point. If anything it be a remake of the arcade version but imo it’s just an updated port

[@NAzo.]

I kinda agree but I'm fine if they just give us the original release and add in extras to it like Crapcom did with the 30th anniversary collection of the arcade edition of SF2 World Warrior, New Challengers, Turbo, Alpha 1, 2, 3 but they didn't include some of the console exclusives to it which I hated. Now I gotta keep the console version and the Steam version because Crapcom was too damn lazy to port over characters and their stages. They didn't even provide a true 16:9 version to the early SF2's. I would like Crapcom to release a Darkstalkers collection, I want a Dead or Alive collection of 1, 2.5, 3 and 4, I want a Tekken collection of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (maybe 6 too) and the Tekken Tag series with extras to it like again a true 16:9 . I would like a Samurai Showdown collection too, a King of Fighters collection, a SNK vs Capcom port to Steam, a Soul Calibur collection, and a Virtua Fighter collection.

[@songoku9348]

Harada has stated he won’t remake the earlier Tekken games. He wants to keep moving forward.

[@kerokerocola99]

Lmao why was Rock on a stage from KoF 94

[@FilipinoAnon]

underrated

[@conradojavier7547]

If KOF 98 UM, & '02 UM Considered a Remake or an Update?

[@conradojavier7547]

I wish Bandai Namco Remake Previous Tekken Games using the Recycled Asset from 8.