Babylon 5 - Kosh revealed!

[@Sean12248]

This is the moment for me when I realized : "This show is much deeper than I thought". It's still amazing 20 years later.

[@lomonacorosa458]

Bellissimo Bruce e bravissimo attore

[@voutsider190]

This revelation is what got Kosh killed wasn't it?

[@Sean12248]

@@voutsider190 No it wasn't what killed him. He was killed after the Vorlons fought Shadow ships the first time. When Kosh was angry at Sheridan and told Sheridan that if he went to Z'ha'dumhe would die and Kosh would not be there.

[@voutsider190]

@@Sean12248 Thanks, it's been a long time since I watched it🙂

[@Sean12248]

@@voutsider190 No problem. I watch it once a year. I'm trying to force myself to finish DS9. Character wise it's good. Plot wise it's not as good to me.

[@pspicer777]

The best bit of this was that Londo saw nothing.

[@Cheri174evr]

That was so sad. I wonder, if Vir had been there, would he have seen something?

[@Mortlupo]

@@Cheri174evr I think he would.

[@xellos5262]

@@Cheri174evr Probably not. According to the lore, the Vorlons did not visit the Centauri, and did not manipulate them like they did with the other races. Londo didn't see nothing because he was "evil", but simply because he was not "built" to see something.

[@procerusgigas]

@@xellos5262 Yes, was just thinking the same thing, when I was a kid and watching the show I really thought Centauri or Londo himself was a heartless, soulless bastard and that is the reason why he couldn't see anything. But, I can't find that scene now, I think I remember someone asking Londo, what did you see, and he responds, nothing. Who was it that asked him that, was it Vir? Or someone else? Because if it was Vir, and if Vir saw something, it means Vorlon DID visit Centauri homeworld and manipulate them and the Londo is indead a soulless bastard.

[@xellos5262]

@@procerusgigas it was the drasi ambassador. Vir was not in that episode. This was the finale of season 2. In the finale of season 3, Mordan explained to Sheridan, that Vorlons changed their (human) genetic makeup, so they would react positively, when seeing a Vorlon.

[@VhenRaTheRaptor]

I'll be honest, this is one of my favourite scenes of the series for another reason. Because it is one of the few to really show how B5 is actually designed, like a proper O'Neill Cylinder.

[@brandonwachter2264]

Right on. I watched B5 growing up and b/c of all the "indoor shots" and the widescreen mockup they would show whenever "outdoors", you really don't realise the actual true set-up as gratefully shown in this episode.

[@55Quirll]

One of the few who knows of the different types of space stations. Though I thought it would take longer than 2 years to construct/build.

[@rolandrickphotography]

Yes, indeed. But you know an O’Neill Cyclinder becomes easily unstable at slightly interferences. That explosion would have been resulting in an a resonance disaster, ending in a fatal catastrophe. Whereas a Stanford Torus automatically stabilises itself like a bicycle wheel, de facto it is gigantic Gyroscope and that G word is just a very scientific expression for exactly that principle. But for sure at incredibly high stability. 😉

[@burstcity3832]

My favourite parts other than Londo/G'kar, all invovled Lorien. It revealing it was already old when the Earth formed was awesome!

[@talyn3932]

@@rolandrickphotography Its mechanically spun by those rings. I probably has something creating a counterspin with equal mass or higher velocity in the same rings. it could handle a small explosion. If it couldn't, it couldn't handle daily foot traffic either which would generate far more vibration than a single explosive event along it's spine. Even a Stanford Torus or a Bernal Sphere requires corrections and or counter spinning mechanisms to maintain stability. It could also be like a McKendree Cylinder and have a nested cylinder inside another. Or a Lewis Cylinder that spins inside a counter spinning shell. It probably also has stability thrusters. Many options.

[@stephenbyrne2170]

When I heard a Vorlon outside its suit would be recognized by everyone, I didn't know it meant as an Angel.

[@magicmulder]

That was one of the cases where a cryptic statement was resolved beautifully - same as Doctor Who’s “Silence will fall when the question is asked”.

[@naturelass]

it is a projection for some reason other races precieve them as beings of light aka angels or that races version of we see how the vorlons truely look when the fragment of kosh battles ulkesh.

[@magicmulder]

@@naturelass If you mean the energy that swept across the station, yes. The tentacled form is not their true form, more like an attack form.

[@roguishpaladin]

@@magicmulder Source? That's...not how I understand it.

[@magicmulder]

@@roguishpaladin If they were a tentacled physical being, Kosh could not have resided partially in Sheridan's mind. If Kosh only implanted part of his mind (and not his body) into Sheridan, why did he appear like a tentacled being when he left Sheridan and attacked Ulkesh? That would not be logical, therefore I conclude that they are mostly pure energy and only use a physical form when they have to. The only speculation left is whether the tentacled form is their original physical form they evolved from or a deliberately chosen "attack form" as I put it.

[@moesypittounikos]

The word Kosha is Sanskrit for covering or sheath. There are five koshas covering the spiritual self. The writers were very smart here!

[@kevinjasper6620]

Moesy Pittounikos I've found that to be true with several of the sci-fy shows. Do a little research and you'd be surprised just how smart and tricky the writers are.

[@professortrog7742]

Not just here, this has been my favorite series ever, and the dvd boxset has a prime position net to the complete monthy python set.

[@ZakhadWOW]

pretty much just the one writer in truth: J. Michael Straczynski.

[@laserprop]

Like in Star Trek. "Ferengi" is a slang Pushtu/Urdu epithet For white European, sort of equivalent to "Mick," "Wop," or "Dago," and so forth.

[@Lorain52]

Harlan Ellison was a brilliant man

[@KurtWagner011]

'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.' - Arthur C. Clarke

[@Mark73]

'Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science' - Phil Foglio

[@epiendless1128]

@@Mark73 You don't want your toad eyes slotted into your newt eye grid - it throws off your ætheric vibrations.

[@burstcity3832]

@@Mark73 How does that work?

[@findantu]

here's one. sitting in my chair I have a laptop two phones all tethered together while typing Linux command trying to elicit a response from a dead laptop. I'm a fucking technomancer casting a goddam res spell and making a laptop still perform past it's end of life dare. the magic words are the commands . gg

[@kyleboffa793]

​@@findantu An x64 processor is screaming along at billions of cycles per second to run the XNU kernel, which is frantically working through all the POSIX-specified abstraction to create the Darwin system underlying OS X, which in turn is straining itself to run Firefox and its Gecko renderer, which creates a Flash object which renders dozens of video frames every second because I wanted to see a cat jump into a box and fall over. I am a god.

[@Karthos1000]

I lent this series to my roommate in University. He was slow through season 1, and kinda "meh" about the series. He went through Season 2 slowly as well, until about halfway through. Then he did the latter half of the second season and seasons 3-5 in about a week, even skipping class to watch B5. I lent it to another friend after that, and watching the "Messages From Earth" trio with him helped me get over my breakup. Almost 25 years this show has been around, and it's still one of the best ever. Not just of Science Fiction, but of television.

[@bb22602]

My husband was watching a few scenes from "Sleeping in Light" the other evening and I was just listening. He was sniffling a bit from watching and I was puddling up just listening to the amazing score that accompanied the destruction of the station. Babylon 5 endures...and understanding is not required.

[@oculosprudentium8486]

Will we ever see the likes of the inspiring series again especially as Hollywood has gone so extremely political correct and evil & perversions of every sort is being glorified? TV & movies that develops great depth of personality of the characters without the obese glares of "techno babble " like Star Trek TNG was the worst offender imho, and then develops the line of overwhelming evil being defeated by virtuos & heroic good automatically becomes the stuff of legends; i.e. Lord of the Rings.

[@bassplayer1966]

AGREED!!! Watch it on Comet channel on DISH, 2 episodes a night, they are in S4 right now! KOSH FOREVER!!

[@mirawenya]

That's the thing about this show. I never really saw the first season when it ran on TV. But got hooked somewhere in second season. And whenever I want someone to get into it I ask them to "please don't think the first season does it justice. It's all character setup etc. It really gets going in second season, and third and fourth is the best."

[@VulcanOnWheels]

I do hope that no one will follow the example of your friend skipping a class to watch something on TV.

[@1Shalnark1]

Human Kosh looks like handsome squidward.

[@CancerLicker]

Tired: Handsome Squidward Wired: Handsome Kosh

[@novaterra973]

And his actual form looks like a squid.

[@SJPDurham]

The beauty of the effect was amazing. I still find myself coming back time and time again to watch it.

[@philliprumans5486]

for what was I think 1994/95 when this ep aired. they did beautiful CGI. What makes me sad is I was around 25 at the time. Now Im not. sniff : (

[@CaptEoNinja83]

The design for Kosh's "real look" was brilliant. Not just that every alien (but Londo) sees a different holy face, but that the "Wings" have a sort of seahorse fin/Searobins/certain kinds of rays kind of style instead of the usual feathered style for angel wings. Cool!

[@superhayes256]

Might also explain the minbari ship designs being sort of fishy lol

[@accessdenied3350]

I like how the vorlon project themselves as each races version of an angel

[@franklinwhitfield1893]

Didnt they talk about that in Season 3 episode 22. Z'Ha'Dum.

[@alienlife7754]

But in the end the Vorlon were exposed to be almost as bad as the Shadows. So were they just exploiting religion to gain the trust of the other races that they would eventually betray?

[@accessdenied3350]

@@alienlife7754 oh yeah most definitely they were terrible gaurdians , they were suppose to guide and teach the younger races and ended up in a dogmatic war with the shadows ...terrible parents

[@bb22602]

I think this is my favorite scene in Babylon 5. Just having one sentence in the announcement ("This is a low-gravity area") explains how Sheridan was able to escape from the tram. The writers paid us the compliment of knowing we would understand. Kosh's appearance was an added bonus.

[@christosvoskresye]

I know they had a limited effects budget, but everyone on that train moved exactly like in 1 g. There's a reason astronauts hopped on the moon: its gravity did not pull them down in time for the next foot to meet the ground, as on earth. How fast one can WALK (as opposed to running or hopping, so that at some point both legs are off the ground) depends on gravity. And, of course, the tangential speed of the station needed to be more than 60 mph to produce 1 g where the others were, but the basic idea is still correct.

[@christosvoskresye]

Maybe we would understand this question better if we knew whether or not the Centauri have Swedish meatballs.

[@STho205]

christosvoskresye. Yes the moonwalkers around the obelisk had the same problem in 2001 as well. Hard to get actors to perform low gravity and directors often don't quite get it. Howard's, Apollo 13 was partially filmed in the Vomit Comet for that reason. Best I've seen on a film set was UFO and that was a year after we'd all seen Armstrong and Aldrin. Even they could only hint at it while mimicking the moves.

[@philgiglio9656]

@@christosvoskresye...the station is 5 miles long; nothing ever said about diameter: JMS did consult with NASA on various things so I have no reason to doubt that velocity.

[@serenam.9266]

Didn't you notice everyone holding on to objects taking slow deliberate step and Sheridan "pulling" himself down into the seat?! It's not perfect but it is clues you in that it is low gravity and they have to use poles and such to move in a controlled manner instead of bouncing.

[@dustygrant3043]

This episode was the episode that really got me hooked on Babylon 5!!!!!! This scene still thrills me today!!!!! Thanks again!!!!!!

[@alanmodimages]

The absolute shock of Sheridan jumping out of the tram could only have been exceeded by an event such as Kosh's revelation. It was a truly OMG moment!

[@Lardon2]

Awesome, deep and beautiful scene from this excellent United Nations like sci-fi series, probably one of the best ever made! The character writting is well done, music, fight scenes, space battles, the live on the Station, factions, ancient history and huge universe...All is great in this show! Vorlons are also so badass, mysterious and cool! One of my favorite alien race in Babylon 5.

[@roguishpaladin]

The Fall of Night: I'm an episode about political machinations, diplomacy, and the price of peace. Kosh: NO, YOU ARE AN EPISODE ABOUT ANGELS. *flap*

[@banshee6k]

I've always wondered what Molari saw.

[@HHopebringer]

@@banshee6k He thought he saw a puddy cat! He did; he did see a puddy cat. (According to the gag reel)

[@alexsch2514]

Anyone else read Kosh in his Voice?

[@yehiahuzayyin7972]

@@banshee6k that's the thing: Mollari didn't see anything. Kosh took the form of the thing you venerate most. Mollari didn't even believe the Centauri Gods existed, so he saw nothing whatsoever, from his perspective, Sheridan suddenly slowed down mid-fall until he gently touched down. Still an amazing sight, but not as cool as the others.

[@banshee6k]

@@yehiahuzayyin7972 I do see your point and my argument to that is you do not have to venerate/believe in something to have knowledge of it. Vir confirmed that Molari was essentially an atheist but doesn't mean that he wouldn't have knowledge of Centauri deities and other beings (Angels) that may have served them. All of the people/beings/species who witnessed the explosion and Sheridan falling, saw Kosh's energy form but each race saw (what I believe) something that Vorlons had conditioned them to see. I do not believe that Kosh would have somehow been invisible to Molari when he left his encounter suit as everyone at least saw his glowing energy and I believe Molari would have seen (at least) that too. Besides, even 25 years later, I still like to question things like how much the Vorlons may have influenced the Centauri. My opinion, but I'd enjoy hearing a reply.

[@acmenipponair]

What I feel is much more important than Kosh being an "angel"... is the great depiction of the interior of the space station, I mean... we could with much effort build with an enviroment!

[@whattheflyingfuck...]

It was Carl Sagans idea to fake gravity by rotating a tube.

[@kalinystazvoruna8702]

@@whattheflyingfuck... Actually, the concept of a rotating space station is much older than Carl Sagan's idea. "Konstantin Tsiolkovsky wrote about using rotation to create an artificial gravity in space in 1903. Herman Potočnik introduced a spinning wheel station with a 30-meter diameter in his Problem der Befahrung des Weltraums (The Problem of Space Travel). He even suggested it be placed in a geostationary orbit. The O'Neill cylinder (also called an O'Neill colony) is a space settlement concept proposed by American physicist Gerard K. O'Neill in his 1976 book The High Frontier: Human Colonies in Space. An O'Neill cylinder would consist of two counter-rotating cylinders. The cylinders would rotate in opposite directions in order to cancel out any gyroscopic effects that would otherwise make it difficult to keep them aimed toward the Sun. Each would be 5 miles (8.0 km) in diameter and 20 miles (32 km) long, connected at each end by a rod via a bearing system. They would rotate so as to provide artificial gravity via centrifugal force on their inner surfaces." (from Wikipedia) This last design is what Babylon 5 is, and as you can see, it was not Carl Sagan who proposed this.

[@whattheflyingfuck...]

@@kalinystazvoruna8702 Wow thanks for the info!

[@stephenbyrne2170]

I'm no scientist, but considering the station's construction, everything on the inside should come crashing down on itself.

[@preacherjohn]

The rotation of the cylinder provides artificial gravity via "centrifugal" force. Have you ever been on the "Wall of Death" / rotating barrel ride at a fairground? Exactly the same principle but on a much larger scale! This is also why Sheridan is almost weightless on board the centre-spindle metro car, because that force is close to zero near the centre.

[@C64Queeg500]

Awesome memories of this series. Need to watch them all again, still wonderful after all these years.

[@andreasdesigns]

This was the moment when I realized all religions were the same, the deity just had different names.

[@KidIndigo1]

I remember seeing this scene for the first time when it originally aired, waaaaaay back now. It's still as moving as ever. I absolutely love Babylon 5 - a truly outstanding achievement, especially considering its budget and (relative) lack of popularity. It makes me wonder what "Firefly" might have done... (uh oh, I may have "crossed the streams").... :)

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

I like Jason Ironheart's ascendancy better, since it was sort of echoed by the ascended human who picks up the recording at the end of the season 4 "wrapup" episode, "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars".

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Indeed! Firefly was bad - it had potential, no doubt about it, but over all it wasn't very good (I've watched it from start to finish twice and frankly nothing memorable comes to mind when thinking about it - while other short running shows that I've watched over the years do spark memories!)

[@Onigirli]

@@dreamingflurry2729 Not even "Objects in Space?"

[@ghostkage]

I always liked that Kosh Kosh outside of his suit didnt speak, only nodded. Anything said would have to be perfect,so saying nothing was perfection because it still maintained his mystery

[@girl1213]

Kosh was the one good parent out of all the toxic ones. You come to realize that as the story goes on. He wasn't perfect, but he didn't blame anyone but himself for his mistakes.

[@harryc1971]

This was a huge moment in the show

[@Sargonarhes]

If this scene didn't move you in any way, you're like Londo and touched by darkness.

[@bellicose4653]

This is true

[@chrischris308]

Londo represents the Jews. Their only God is Money and Power, no Feelings.

[@iangreen4572]

@Ricardo B. i thought it was because they came from Judea

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

Wow, what a surprise, bigots are imbeciles. _Yeshua,_ the man you claim to worship, was a _Jew._ Morons.

[@chrischris308]

@@NoJusticeNoPeace Jesus was a transformed Jew. Thats why he warned his People to turn towards the real God and leave their false God behind. We know what happened to him.

[@lordhawkeye]

I loved how all of the races saw a version of what we would call an angelic being but Londo. Cleaver bit of foreshadowing for the events to come.

[@MISANTHROPE00]

I wonder why the Centauri couldn't see him. They were altered by the vorlons too...that's why they have rudimentary psychic precognition

[@iona2225]

Who says he didnt see anything? Of course he does, but who's to say he isnt lying about what he did or didnt see? He dis look mighty confused in this, but it can either be due to his own dealings or maybe Centauri gods are... weirder XD

[@derrickbaustin]

MISANTHROPE00: The Shadow's Mr. Moden touched Lando's mind during their first meeting on Babalyon 5.

[@christosvoskresye]

@Derrick Austin -- That should not undo generations of genetic tampering. No, I think something else must be at play. Maybe the Centauri psychic abilities have nothing to do with the Vorlons. After all, if such a thing is possible, why should it arise only once? And if they already had some degree of psychic ability, maybe they could not be manipulated in quite the same way. Or perhaps, as iona2225 suggests, the Centauri gods were simply not anthropomorphic. Neither are angels in Christianity, by the way; they are pure spirits who are naturally invisible, are described in visions as looking very strange indeed (with more than 2 wings and/or with more than one face), and tend to look human (no wings) when they interact with people. Maybe the Centauri view is somewhat similar, without the overlay of Hallmark and "Touched by an Angel".

[@heywhat7816]

He's a atheist?

[@Absaalookemensch]

This series is universal because it centers around the age old conflict between the two ideologies, Who Are You vs What Do You Want.

[@smokeytmacgowan]

I think you have to know who you are before you can know what you want

[@michaelstanley5575]

Kids want before they know who they are. And by the way, who you are means more here than a name.

[@ethenallen1388]

It's best to know the answer to, or at least ask yourself both questions. The trouble started because they lost the middle road in favor of extreme ideology.

[@sbritton1313]

You forgot the third question... Where are you going?

[@lonknight3197]

And i like how the story tried to warn us of what was coming, Pres.Clark and the Nightwatch,,,, staring to see any similarites to real life anyone.

[@mattsmith4536]

Its fun to think how Sheridan would have died. He would have gently floated down to the ground, but the horizontal velocity would have been brutal. From Sheridans viewpoint he would be slowly descending into a shredder. From a person on the ground, he would have gone speeding over their heads until some obstacle caught him. (Rather then throwing himself towards the ground, he should have pushed himself parallel to the tramway).

[@billmcclure2171]

Wow, you need therapy. Seek help.

[@MaraIndigoJade]

@@billmcclure2171 Why? While I don't see the 'fun' in finding interesting ways people can 'meet their maker' ('kick the bucket', 'cook the goose', 'bit the dust', 'bought the farm'), there's nothing wrong in trying to figure out how the scene would have played out had Kosh *not* been there or been able to save Sheridan. Obviously, it's not a popular thought exercise but it's far from being a bad thing.

[@Onigirli]

@@MaraIndigoJade "While I don't see the 'fun' in finding interesting ways people can 'meet their maker'" You don't?

[@magicmulder]

It would simply have been the equivalent of jumping out of a car at 60 mph and hitting the ground.

[@Axius27]

The door placement is a bit bad for the situation, he can ONLY jump towards the ground. Maybe Sheridan should request a redesign where the emergency doors are on the ends instead of the sides.

[@saberiandream316]

Well, what do you expect, for Londo to admit that he saw a wine bottle with giant knockers?

[@tuber00009]

Just watched this episode. Babylon 5 ticks all the boxes for me and is still fiercely compelling 30 years later. The earth conspiracy sub-plots vs the shadows on the rim vs Sheridan trying to keep everything together on B5 vs Centauri-Narn conflict...it's like deep space poetry.

[@Tovah-qv7od]

To this day that scene gives me goosebumps!!

[@RetroRobotRadio]

The Pakmara looked up and saw the lord Cthulhu.

[@dustygrant3043]

Omg one of my favorite episodes!!!!!! I think it really showed how much the Vorlons had their influence on the other races!!!!!!! Also the Shadow being had the same influence but on the other side of the coin!!!!!! Great drama from the show that i expected and respected it for!!!!!!!!!

[@BicBradley]

This was flat out, absolutely my favorite series ever.

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

You can see the basic outline of what a vorlon actually looks like here, the "tail and wings" are very squid like. The central angel is most likley nothing mores then a sort of 'lure' putting out calling psychic influence, possibly it was originally used to calm prey but now acts as a pleasing 'face'.

[@kenwiltshire7834]

Probably the greatest Sci-Fi Series of its time. I still watch it after all this time.

[@digijock223]

Years ago, when this aired for the first time, I nearly pissed my pants when I saw this. It is still that awesome to this day.

[@kimfielding8010]

Molari's puzzled look had me hooting with laughter

[@catandthesixxness]

I am glad the series was never rebooted or anything. I'm glad it ended in a satisfying way. And I am glad nothing ever came along to fuck up the legacy of Babylon 5. -Six

[@anonyninja7737]

lmao, you type a signature at the end of your comments as if people know who the fuck you are. You have like 45 subscribers on a failed channel, nobody knows you, the signature makes you look dumb.

[@catandthesixxness]

@@anonyninja7737 As If Cat and I were even trying. Lol. And I sign my name because Cat comments on things on this channel too and it clarifies who is speaking. Thanks for the input man. - Six

[@keeperofthefate]

@@anonyninja7737 People in 2020: Getting butthurt over nothing - Keeper of the Fate, 1 subscriber, no channel, stupid cheesy nickname

[@catandthesixxness]

@@keeperofthefate it's ok @Anony Ninja probably didn't have much to do with the quarantine and all. Poor kids are stuck at home trolling comment sections. - Six

[@Quibblet]

*cough* *cough* JJ Abrams *cough* Star Trek *cough* Star Wars

[@SFox-if9id]

I love how nuanced the writing was on this show, it's a wonderful, inspirational scene..then you find out why (almost) all the reaces saw themselves in Kosh as time goes on.

[@shyone968]

And poor London Saw Nothing. He was touched by darkness and too far along the path. He should have took it as a sign to change. Even Majel Barrett's character told him to change, as did the techno mage.

[@Theanchoritegarlic]

Another way of looking at it: the other, more ancient, cultures each knew the angel, by another name, but not our "Space Roman" ambassador ...

[@shyone968]

Vir saw Kosh.

[@roguishpaladin]

@@shyone968 Can you document where you got that idea from. There's a JMS quote which says, "Nnnnnnoo, not really; the Centauri don't actually have an equivalent to G'Quan or Valen. Believe it or not, this one answer may add another layer to a scene in one of the last episodes of this season. You can infer it backwards once you see it, but now you'll have it going in. " I've always interpreted that to mean that no Centauri can see the being of light projection of a Vorlon.

[@shyone968]

@@roguishpaladin if you watch the epidsode again Vir shows awe and wonder as do others while Londo looks confused. That is where I document my idea from. if vir could see the vorlon but londo could not then londo is too touched by shadows to be effected.

[@roguishpaladin]

@@shyone968 I don't see Vir in this scene.

[@kaisoonjoe5514]

If I can recall, the Vorlons' true form, is glowing, squid-like being.

[@MySameLove]

Kind of like they're ship

[@willt2810]

Yep, there are for better or worse, Leviathan that evolved into energies.

[@GD-xn6jw]

Best sci-fi series of all time.

[@alexanderkuptsov6117]

Totally agree.

[@treeman_mj]

Absolutely

[@donnied6151]

All these alien races standing in awe and that there is Londo at 3:35 , Huh??? priceless.

[@MySameLove]

Lol

[@CorfitzFF]

Please upload more Babylon 5 clips. Lately, I'm spending a lot of time watching it, sometimes the same clip over and over.

[@dariusgreysun]

Me too. You know what that means? Its time to watch the entire series and movies again...

[@macberry4048]

I was surprised at how religious Babylon 5 was for science fiction show

[@davidkugel]

The Vorlons were my favorite race in B5. The galaxy has to be populated by more than humanoid species. I know the CGI is expensive but non-humanoids make the galaxy so much more entertaining.

[@moesypittounikos]

The word Kosha is Sanskrit for covering.

[@jchorn7180]

Shell

[@chrischris308]

Sounds true. Thanks for that. So thats the great secret about Kosh: hes always covered, hidden.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Interesting....

[@MySameLove]

Yes! That is why the second one said we are all Kosh! I didn't like that one!

[@leelia99]

The best series, I miss those characters!

[@DaSpoonyBard]

Totally wasn't expecting the Bruce Willis cameo in this episode.

[@howardmiller5381]

There are few moments in he visual arts as inspiring as this.

[@magicmulder]

Babylon 5, like Doctor Who, knew how to resolve all its mysteries in a satisfying way. (Many episodes later we got to see the “real” Vorlon, and I still believe that was only an attack form whereas they’re actually energy beings).

[@Anthyrion]

Everyone: Sees a beautiful Angel-like being of their Species who rescues Sheridan. Londo: Sees nothing

[@williamwaha3193]

Anthyrion -- Everyone: Sees a beautiful Angel-like being of their Species who rescues Sheridan. Londo: Sees nothing --- Not everyone saw an Angelic form , Sheridan called him by name because Sheridan knew who he really was . Londo's race didn't have a connection to the light their connection was to the Shadows so they would never had an Angelic form light being saving them throughout their history guiding them to do the Right and Proper thing when the time came or in their everyday lives. G'kar saw his Angelic version of Kosh as well and G'kars race was nearly wiped out by Londos race . Some people see an Angel or a Miracle and yet others see nothing or worse they deny seeing anything , no one wants to be ridiculed .

[@Anthyrion]

@@williamwaha3193 I know. I have the complete series on DVD. :) Great Piece of Sci-Fi History. And the later relationship between Londo and G'Kar was so great written :)

[@Hisu0]

He lied, by the way. Later in the series, it's been shown what vorlons look like when they don't bother with mental projections, and centauri weren't influenced by vorlons, so Londo must've been seeing that true form. It would also be in his character to react this way after hearing what everyone saw and clearly noticing it wasn't what he has seen, but not having a believable answer conjured up yet.

[@michaelesposito2629]

William Waha Sheridan called him by name, because he knew who he really was, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t see an angel. He even said the name in a question. Asking if it was Kosh

[@jamesjohnson2458]

I just saw this scene for the first time. Man this is nuts.

[@baneblackguard584]

he was saved by a gigantic flying supreme pizza !!! He's so lucky...

[@Flynbrd68]

I'm actually binge watching...AGAIN! Kosh/Vorlons is one of my favorites, probably because of the mystery behind the armor. Plus that ship is AMAZING! Babylon 5 is awesome.

[@Jamesalec63]

The Babylon 5 series was far and away a brilliant series it made you think about the universe and where we are heading in the real world it made sense of why and what space is about the shape of things to come it was a cosmic wonder even though it ended to soon I hope someday it may make a reappears to or screen's in the very near future as either a one off movie about 60 minutes long or longer with most of the characters and cast in a new station and larger stories basic tales and a new threat from old powers in the universe?

[@tywilliamnash5078]

This is a bit on the ‘Spin Doctor’ side of things …. But the Holy Scriptures says that when the angels appeared before and human individual or plural individuals … that they appeared in the ‘wink of an eye’ and were wearing ‘shiny raiment’ . They were called tall and statuesque, extremely beautiful and hard to miss or continually look at. They were amazed , mesmerized, enthralled and confused …. to the point of falling to their knees and doing abeyance… to which the angels replied ….”No no, do not do that… get up … you are not supposed to worship us, we all worship God Almighty together!…” . I don’t believe there was any discussion or comment about angels having ‘wings’ … feathered , or gossamer…. They gave Gods message and left. Period. They didn’t ‘hang out’, or play Bridge, Canasta , Checkers, Bingo, attend banquet, sing camp fire songs like Kumbaya My Lord…. or any else of such doings … going’s on , or other sundry such ilk….they gave ‘The Word’ and left …. In ‘The Wink If An Eye’….

[@cgavin1]

Kosh: I have always been here. Yeah, I get it now .. :)

[@MySameLove]

Yes

[@uss_04]

I miss that 90’s sci-fi aesthetic of what looked like Galvanized steel panels. The adventuredome at Circus Circus, and the MGM grand theme park also seemed to share it.

[@stuntranger74]

This is the one scene above all scenes!!

[@kyrozudesoya1829]

Wish I could see this again for the first time. So much stuff happens in this episode of major consequence: Keffer tracking down the Shadows, the EA aligning with the Centuri, Night Watch extending its influence on the station, the major space battle that happens...but even after ALL of that...I don't think anybody was expecting Kosh coming out of his suit to save Sheridan...long last we get to finally see him. They'll never make a show as great as this one ever again.

[@Robert.R.83]

He's an angel!

[@JFDA5458]

Earth Force Number one dress uniform is very smart. Much better than the costumes worn on official duties by Starfleet.

[@manricobianchini5276]

Awesome show! Great acting, great actors, great writing!

[@vampiredarkhearttrustnoone]

Beautyful angel of light

[@SteliosStylianou]

This brings back memories not seen this part in years I always think of how alien races see their own saviour in their own image just like humans do very thought provoking clip thanks for posting!

[@davidw5993]

Just saw boxleitner on supergirl...the man has barely aged. Love this scene 😁

[@altha-rf1et]

man I would like for netflix or vudu to run this series, I have Parkinson and as a result now starting to have memory lost, A lot of these old shows remember the characters but forgot a lot of the esp, It would be like watching it again for the first time, Started watching 21 jump street and silk stalkings loved them when they came on TV but again for a lot of the esp...

[@otiscarter1356]

One of the best B5 moments.

[@penningtonknickernacker921]

LOL the emergency response team, "Nah, can't do it. Fuck off."

[@gameofthugs4839]

I loved this series, it really took off, once John Sheraton came on Board...THANKYOU...to the COMCAST...internet installer...who also hooked me up with a splitter to watch cable ...back then...cable and internet was sent on the same wave

[@Nighthawke70]

Sheridan.

[@gameofthugs4839]

@@Nighthawke70 SORRY.....NIGHTHACKE

[@kegginstructure]

Strange how much the aliens in The Abyss looked a lot like Kosh. A little different in the face, but the same wings and tail.

[@MrN1c3Guy100]

Babylon 5 is the first series where I had the feeling they know in Season 1 what will happen in Season 5 there where so many little bit's that you only understand later on. Most of the series on TV at that time where just a mess of "lest just write one episode after the next and don't thing about the future"

[@cteal2018]

Yep...no monster of the week episodes here

[@TheNefastor]

I like how they each see what they want to see.

[@roguishpaladin]

It's not what they want - it's what the Vorlons want them to see. The Vorlons were the actual angel-types in the past. At some point, they visited Earth and came to humanity as angels to advise them about law and orderly behavior (as they tinkered with human DNA to put in the telepath gene).

[@Geotpf]

Now THAT'S how you make an entrance.

[@haakonstenseth]

This episode I watched on Saturday evening last week from my DVD disc not copied once but original ☺ I have all 5 seasons of Babylon 5 and some movies of Babylon 5 here in my apartment ☺ Valeria said Lennier, when he notice the figurer flying up to rescue John Seridan for falling down to the death, Dro'shalla said a Drazi man, G'Lan said a Narn man 😁 Jeffrey Willerth is an actor. Although the voice of Kosh was actor Ardwight Chamberlain, Willerth was the man in the encounter suit. He was born June 5, 1958. He and his former wife, Patricia Tallman have a son together; Julian Tallman.

[@tywilliamnash5078]

This scene gets me emotional and teary eyed every time.... Anyway... this is an incredible incident and far fetched concept made plausible and digestible. How Fun Is That !

[@garrethboland]

Holy shit.... I remember seeing this on TV when it aired. My dad loved this show and I had to be like 8 or 9 years old.

[@khhnator]

i love that they use the babylon 5 logo font on EVERYTHING

[@hanzohattori1196]

"Valeria!" "Dro'shalla!" "G'Lan" "Handsome Squidward"

[@jmalmsten]

W... Wait... If the ship is a cylinder to get gravity to the shell by rotation... And they acknowledge that he's weightless when jumping out... Should they not be weightless in that central hub and monorail train car thing? Would not a ski-lift like zipline be sufficient to travel through those areas? I am probably missing a ton of detail by not being able to watch this show because of geoblocking shenanigans.

[@billmcclure2171]

Listen to the voice on the loudspeaker when he’s boarding the train.

[@Hisu0]

I think Londo actually did see the vorlon's true form, because: a) it has been shown later what vorlons really look like when they don't bother with mental projections (the Kosh vs Ulkesh fight scene in the 4th season) b) being an exceptionally clever person, he couldn't've missed the stories, and couldn't've overlooked the discrepancy between this and what he has seen and finally, c) he didn't have enough time to cook up a passable answer, so he just said something as innocuous as possible given his obviously distraught and shaken state Plus, later, when vorlons have come out of hiding, he didn't show any kind of awe and surprise, and before that, he wasn't interested in them much. Why? Because he has already seen them and seen that everybody sees them differently yet in a strikingly similar fashion, and connected the dots, figuring them out before everyone else did.

[@jason-vv6kv]

Kosh may have telepathically jammed Londo as well, hence him not seeing anything period as he claimed.

[@Hisu0]

@@jason-vv6kv Sure, he may have, but Londo and nobody else, for no reason? I doubt that.

[@jason-vv6kv]

@@Hisu0 The only Head person/race of the minor races tied directly to the Shadows. Probably why. Kosh said himself it took a toll on him to do what he did in general. what's "blocking" one person out of dozens? And the most damning evidence of all, Londo said, "I didn't see anything". There you go.

[@Hisu0]

@@jason-vv6kv When you see nothing where others see something, you can't help being perturbed by it. Londo wasn't. Yes, being a career diplomat, he can mask confusion no problem, but this mask itself is discernible. He didn't mask confusion when he said "I saw nothing", plus there were non-verbal signs of avoidance when he said it, which is why I think he was just lying, and "I saw nothing" was merely the best kind of copout he could come up with on that kind of short notice. Sure, maybe centauri have different non-verbal cues than humans, but there's been no indication of that before or after, so I'm not inclined to interpret them differently.

[@jason-vv6kv]

@@Hisu0 Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5. www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/044.html#JS " Londo saw what he said he saw. Basically, all that was indicated in the script was that he for a beat isn't sure what's up...then lets it go." He..... saw..... nothing. Take it up with JMS.

[@ModestNeophyte]

holy crap i pretty much only see this show in yt clips.. i never knew this happened and never knew we ever even got to see a vorlon!

[@WardNightstone]

Kosh was amazing his replacement Kosh on the other hand

[@ethenallen1388]

Kosh was a reminder of what his people were supposed to be.

[@MySameLove]

Yes the replacement Kosh was a butt lol

[@wbworkout]

One of my favorite Babylon 5 moments as Sheridan is rescued each humanoid species see "josh" as an angle or diviner Being they know. You can't help but see the implication!

[@shauntbarry]

Kosh pal

[@kissmy_butt1302]

When look back GoT did a lot of what Babylon 5 had done first. It always teased or threw something out there that became consequential later on. You think it is a throw away when they ask who would recognize Kosh and his answer is everyone. It was such a great reveal.

[@robertoaguirrematurana6419]

Every other race saw a major religious icon, Kosh should've appeared to Sheridan as Jesus, not just a generic angel.

[@roguishpaladin]

No, that was a major point, actually. G'Kar saw G'Lan, *not* G'Quan. The Vorlons were careful to assume the role of non-race-belonging spiritual guides, not in-race figures, and Jesus was/appeared to be human (depending on which flavor of Christianity you follow, and that's not really the point - the point is that, regardless of your perception of Jesus's divinity, he looked normal while a Vorlon never will).

[@AlexJones-ue1ll]

And this is how you build a mystery and *resolve* it. Take notes, JarJar Abrams. Or better yet, go back to school.

[@mossadon]

!!!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^ WHAT HE SAID ^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!

[@dustygrant3043]

One of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite episodes of one of my favorite shows from one of my favorite forms of entertainment the 📺 in what used to be one my favorite forms of pre-cable 📺 entertainment forms:the syndication of shows for regular 📺 viewing!!!!!! For those that don't know what the "syndication" of 📺 show means ask YOUR parents or grandparents!!!!!! They should know!!!!!!!!

[@jamesspencer1997]

Kosh is amlost god like creature and he follows those same rules always loved him.

[@DavidSmith-ot3hs]

To me the best part was when Sheridan recognized Kosh as Kosh and Kosh immediately responded. I felt like Kosh respected Sheridan at that moment

[@wayneadams9102]

More than Star Trek or Star Wars.. which I love.. Babylon 5 was on a whole other level.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

Everyone likes to say Londo saw nothing because his race wasn't manipulated and it had nothing to do with his soul. For those that watch the series all the way through we know humans ascend to energy yet still have a body. Kosh would still have a body albeit one of energy. Londo is attuned to the Shadows and this blinds him to seeing Kosh although I imagine he sees the Shadows quite clearly. When the Shadows are ambushed on Centauri he saw them without a doubt regardless of them being invisible to everyone else whereas the Vorlons would have been invisible to him if outside their encounter suit. I'm not sure how a younger race that hasn't been tainted by Vorlons or the Shadows would see a Vorlon outside of their encounter suit. I'd imagine it would simply seem very very alien (not necessarily ugly) where their minds could not comprehend what they are seeing. This would cause fear that the Vorlons wouldn't want which is why they tinkered with some of the younger races to insure a positive reaction.

[@ethenallen1388]

It's a safe bet that Kosh knew Londo was working with the Shadows and may have used the attack on Sheraton to express his displeasure with Londo as well as give Sheraton an endorsement. When they were trying to kill the Vorlon sent to replace Kosh, the creature they forced out of his encounter suit looked like a squid. I would guess that's their natural form.

[@kyrozudesoya1829]

@@ethenallen1388 It is. Kosh told Sheridan at the start of Season 3 that appearing in front of so many drained him. Probably because he was trying to project an image he wanted them to see not as he truly was. When him/it and Ulkesh fight later they dispense with the illusion as they are fighting with each other.

[@kyrozudesoya1829]

It's not entirely clear why Londo can't see Kosh but I also don't think he can see the Shadows. He may be aware of them though. He has his guards shoot *around* Morden but not precisely where they should be. Londo knows they are with him, but not how many or where.

[@craigmartinj]

Kosh... thank you.

[@cookeatliverepeat8815]

This episode is the granddaddy of all cliffhangers!!

[@kyrozudesoya1829]

That was season 3. But with all the crazy shit that happens in this episode Kosh finally showing himself blindsided everyone and finished season 2 off very strong. It begins with learning why the Minbari ended the war with Earth, then ends with us finally seeing Kosh.

[@sergeontheloose]

Every species on Babylon saw in ethereal Kosh what their religion told them of high sentient beings - humans saw Archangel Michael, minbari - Valen, Centauri - their spiritual leader. And so on and so forth. Brilliantly done.

[@MapleDog]

Centauri saw nothing,cause they are an arrogant species

[@sebastianodriscoll9286]

I don't think that is correct. A Centauri didn't see Kosh as angelic because they were guided by the Shadows and did not have their DNA tampered with by the Vorlons. Londo was the only person in the scene to see a Vorlon's true form or perhaps a Vorlon as represented by the Shadows. Great scene.

[@Sargonarhes]

@@sebastianodriscoll9286 the Centauri had telepaths so likely did have their DNA tampered with by Vorlons. I think it had more to do with Londo working with the Shadows and their influence on him. Vir might have been able to have seen something had he been there as Vir did not like Londo's dealings with Mr Morden, so there was some resistance to the Shadow influence.

[@timriggins70]

@@MapleDog I always assumed just Londo because of his relationa with the Shadows. I think if Vir had been present he would have seen something.

[@Deciheximal]

One after another, they all announce that Vorlons were their angels. Except Londo. He's all, "Nope, never heard of 'em."

[@megalopath]

I saw a koala bear. Why is he smiling?! What does he know?!

[@wyrmshadow4374]

Kosh is Handsome Squidward. Now you can't unsee it.

[@NoOne-yh4cl]

😂

[@Platschu]

I love this scene. It has got nice animations even if the show is 25 years old.

[@smf5576]

It was impressive for its time.

[@AjArciga44B]

i havent been able to follow up on this episode and what happened next and what was the effect and outcome of Kosh untimely revelations of himself.

[@john-ic5pz]

LOOK!! An angel! ❤️