Babylon 5 Newbies React to 4x19 | Between the Darkness and the Light | First Time Watching

[@cathakjordi]

If I was a navy officer and I noticed the new ships we have been assigned have chitinous gigantic spider like shiny black arachnid leg like protrusions, I would serioulsy ask myself... 'are we the baddies?'

[@RKnights]

So true

[@JAERepair]

You sure you wouldn't be grinning from ear to ear, thinking "just wait till they get a look at this". Reminder, our carriers rolling into foreign ports or off the coast of other countries do not inspire great hope in those countries. And if you ever see a nuclear sub surface off those foreign coasts, they pray that its not in preparation for a preemptive or retaliatory deployment of our nuclear arsenal.😅 just saying.

[@canadianbakin1304]

@@JAERepair if a nuclear powered sub surfaces its not firing and something is probably wrong

[@JAERepair]

@@canadianbakin1304 sounds good. Let me just check ur probably. When POTUS leaves for over seas, "something" big and scarry shadows em in the ocean. It is part of the "first strike" and "contingency strike" plans available to the commander-in-chief (not a lame briefcase with a hand cuff). Within the last 20 years, "something" provoked one of these to surface off the coast of a "friendly" nation. That country and those around it didn't know it was there till it surfaced and purposely made itself known. Can it launch undetected? Yeah. So it wanted "someone" to know it was there. I was outside the country (USA) when it happened. It was widely covered by the local media in the region. When I got back home (USA), I found our domestic media focusing on secret service shenanigans (all media regardless of political leanings).

[@JAERepair]

@@canadianbakin1304 tried to reply to ya. Comment got deleted. Mentioned something that happened when I was outta the country and how it didn't get covered locally. Guess I was too specific.

[@hackerx7329]

I've been waiting sooooo long to see your faces when she gave that speach and then hit the button and it was worth it.

[@matthewteague623]

The only quibble I have iwth that scene at all, is if you're the opposing ship captain, you have someone surrounded, and they flat out refuse an order to surrender, and then they start quoting their lineage at you, you don't sit there and wait for them to give the speech. You activate "Guns-a-Blazin" protocol.

[@chrisfraser5088]

“I am death incarnate…God sent me.” I still get chills. You did good, Susan…you did good 😢

[@Petrosman]

"I'm done playing with you mere mortals" oh you have no idea how done Lyta is :)

[@matthewteague623]

Lyta is the reason Jason Ironheart is waiting 1 million years to make another appearance. He's like "Oh hell no, dawg, I ain't messin' with Her!"

[@stue2298]

@@matthewteague623 Angry red heads

[@TechnoMageB5]

"I am Death Incarnate...God Sent Me." - yep, Susan got mad. 😀

[@Unformed8]

16:21 - Because Earth has an entire corrupt psicorp of people to make sure, even Edgars had telepaths on the ready to check 19:16 - She made him relive disney wars trilogy 7 times in an instant

[@julienn8844]

That is a Geneva war crime.

[@ScottRutter]

Given how much Garibaldi doesn't trust telepaths, it's fairly telling how far he's going to let Lyta into his mind.

[@aaronleffew9593]

Your responses when Ivanova got hit so soon after the "death incarnate" was the reaction of fans the first time. Did you notice how happy you were at the light moment between her and Marcus? You should have guessed it was going to get very bad very soon. The best is yet to come.

[@chaost4544]

Londo Mollari's character growth in this series is phenomenal. It was difficult to imagine at the beginning of the series him considering the morality of his political actions.

[@PassiveSmoking]

So is G'Kar's growth, in many ways the tale of B5 is the tale of Londo and G'Kar.

[@brazil-y2y]

Oh God, imagine seeing this way back when and we had to wait a week.

[@roystoyscomics1361]

Hydroponics space was limited. That didn't stop Ivanova from growing some coffee bean plants, which Garibaldi threatened to rip out by the roots until he got what he wanted. Several seasons ago. Lol 😂

[@derekramsaroup3883]

"God Sent Me ..." Ivanova's speech was nothing short of Terrifying...and we're on Her side ...

[@cruelangel8689]

It is a nice touch that each Earth Force ship got their own individual symbol based on the ship name. That was always the first thing I looked for whenever we got to see the bridge of a new ship.

[@chrisdavies9821]

I remember you watching the speeches from Delenn and Ivanova years ago - long before you started watching B5 and you commented that you needed context for these speeches! Now you have it

[@commanderkruge]

Obviously you guys noticed that this was one of the important episodes. In more than one way. And Ivanova's speech is another one of those quotable moments. Righteous bad-assness.

[@meropetied]

Love that Ray thought of the *alien healing machine* plot device device. In 1997 we might have forgotten about it.

[@mikeclemens795]

That Ivanova speech was as badass as Delenn's "You are in front of me". Strong women characters are an understatement.

[@tomaskops7119]

Yes, strong developed woman characters, not mary sues. This is how write them! Look on them Abrams!

[@ingiford175]

Strong women, not today's forced Mary Sue's

[@SirMarshalHaig]

They brought a destroyer to an Ivanova fight!

[@samsonau8205]

The lady guiding them was the Mantis lady in Buffy.

[@oenrn]

So this is why we never saw N'Grath again.

[@JustinGreene0224]

I missed the next episode and did not see this follow-up for 2 years because the show moved to TNT for Season 5 and I didn't have cable....needless to say, it was brutal.

[@kirishima638]

I missed Severed Dreams, the pinnacle episode of season 3, because my parents wanted to go out. Didn’t get to see it until many years later when I got the DVDs. Life was tough before on-demand TV!

[@sdfried4877]

I missed this one and the next one. I couldn’t wait so I had to go to the Babylon 5 Spoiler Junkies page and read all about them. I didn’t see them until TNT aired them again.

[@PassiveSmoking]

I think one of the things we ended up losing from how Season 4 was compressed was a proper redemption arc for Garibaldi. I'm fine with everyone forgiving him for what he did eventually once he's earned their trust back, but as presented it seems too easy. It's a shame, I would have loved to see an entire arc of Garibaldi on the run from his own comrades, trying to survive both them and Earth Force and the Psi-Corps gunning for him, how he earns his way back into his former colleagues' good graces and eventually undoes the damage he did under the influence of Bester. Shame. But I understand why things happened the way they did and I'd much rather have the compressed season 4 that we got than having the show end on a cliffhanger that never gets resolved because Season 5 was never made.

[@RKnights]

That would have been great

[@Iymarra]

"I just got chills" bruv you need a tissue for the clean-up :p

[@Petrosman]

I'm gonna say it about almost every episode since No Surrender, No Retreat, but this one is perfect from start to finish. So damn amazing. From the opening scene, to the ending.

[@chrisnielsen9885]

Except for Pat Tallman trying to do comedy. That was sheer cringe

[@hedinsee6830]

There is nothing to forgive. Garibaldi did NONE of this. Take over a person's mind, destroy his whole life, leave him as a wreck for his own people to kill, and then beat him up for good measure. How exactly are you better than Bester after these statements?...

[@connorwatson6766]

An epic episode, and epic reactions. I'm enjoying reliving the series through your eyes immensely. No matter what happens next, you have to watch Season 5 all the way through. Telling you the reasons why would spoil it, so I'll just say it is worth it once you get all the way through the series. It's a great joy, and maybe a great trauma, but it's the best sci-fi story ever told on television. It has a beginning, a middle, and an end. It didn't keep going until the ratings dropped, it ended when the story should have ended. There might be bigger longer sci-fi franchises, but none of them tell a story this good, this deep, this emotionally impactful, this brilliant, this epic. It is the best sci-fi story ever told on television.

[@RKnights]

You are right, it is worth it

[@Ruosteinenknight]

22:49 Ivanova walked so femshep could run. No, Ivanova breaked all the scales so Femshep could push it higher. I'm pretty sure if Claudia Christian and Jennifer Hale ever get into a same room, galaxies would explode.

[@tomcopple7633]

"Knife to a nuke fight." ~11 min mark. Well, they can't use a nuke if you disable their hand. Iykyk

[@this.is.a.username]

Lyta is a shadow spec'd priest.. literally Shadow Word: Pain

[@whome1629]

I have no problems with Lyta looking at me like that 😂 as long as she doesn't say pain😂.

[@TheFalconerNZ]

Too many movies & TV shows being made today are saying 'We need strong female role models' & are giving us rubbish female characters that are too strong with no growth or development yet this 32 year old show has 2 of the baddest females figures in entertainment. Both had hardship & pain in their lives & used those experiences to build strong foundations to project the power they have found in themselves from. IMO too many of today's 'Strong' female roles models are flawed because they have not had to grow into positions of confidence & power but are given unearned power just because they a female & therefore entitled to it. That which does not destroy us makes us stronger, adversity is the fire that forges us.

[@Petrosman]

I was not prepared for the random Down with the Sickness reference, and I'm not complaining

[@stevecollette6831]

Amazing episode. Loved your reactions to anytime Susan was on screen. 😊😢

[@JH24821]

Although the ships still had the same weaknesses as the original Omegas, the Omega Shadow Cruisers were an impressive feat of engineering, at the very least making them much more durable and giving them a longer attack range. What surprises me the most is not the bio-hull, but the fact all the Omega's cannons are now firing modified teal energy beams. I doubt they are as strong as a Shadow slicer beam, but definitely strong enough to still one-shot a White Star. The Shadow Omegas were equipped with Thunderbolt fighters (Based on the older Starfury and the newest line of Earth's space superiority fighters)

[@toddkes5890]

And of course destroying the warships means the tech to make them is lost as well, right?

[@JH24821]

@@toddkes5890 They probably still have the schematics hidden somewhere within some secretive faction within (or outside) Earth's government. Kind of like Section 31 in Star Trek.

[@toddkes5890]

@@JH24821 Check out the Shadowhawk from the 'Crusade' series. Along with what JMS had planned.

[@JH24821]

@@toddkes5890 Thanks for letting me know, but I already knew about Crusade. Just wasn't sure if I could mention it here.

[@Xenobears]

37:37 the “sleepers” are really messed up. They make psychics depressed and emotionally unstable-it’s the medicine that Ivanova’s mother was on that drove her to take herself out. Put Bester on a forced injection of that stuff using an embedded device. That would be amazing. Like an insulin pump for sleepers.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

The prior Exec smuggled in some Coffee plants and Susan took them over. First mentioned in the Gathering, Michael used them for blackmailing Susan once and Susan mentioned it when she was checking out Corwin on his promotion for bringing into the loop. Coffee has little food value and not the easiest crop to grow well. Needing rich volcanic soil and shade for the best, then needing roasted and ground. That consumes a lot of energy. With limited growing space on a space station or even a greenhouse dependent colony like you might have on Mars the crops are going to be high food value and CO2 to O2 conversion by requirements. The Zen garden was another place they pointed out in The Gathering was hard to set aside for. At least the baseball field grew grass that likely was used for food for some races as well as for exercise.

[@johnpooky84]

A reminder to all: PLEASE. NO. SPOILERS/HINTS for these fine gentlemen.

[@rafetizer]

We're not allowed to tell them about how Spiderman web-swings in to save Babylon 5 from ripping in two??!

[@johnpooky84]

@rafetizer Dang it, you just ruined all of Season 5! Now they're going to realize that Casper the Friendly Ghost and Voldemort were the ones who helped Spidey get there in the first place, because the Teletubbies were too busy watching Barney on Tinky-Winky's screen!

[@rafetizer]

@johnpooky84 bro... at least i had the courtesy not to mention Casper

[@johnpooky84]

@@rafetizer Oh manure...you're right. To the R Knights guys, my profound apologies for spoiling Casper.

[@julienn8844]

​@johnpooky84 apology accepted. High key tho I'd watch that unironically.

[@Markus117d]

You still don't seem to really understand, it wasn't Garibaldi. There's nothing to forgive. That humans can't forgive something that wasn't the fault of the other is a major weakness of the species imo.. lol

[@sebastianwittmeier1274]

You predicted Ivanova dying near the end of the shadow war, she had a story-arc over several episodes.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

Sheridan took command of the Aggamemnon to lead the final assault on Earth. There's no time for personal errands anymore - unfortunately. And Kudos for Julian for remembering the alien healing/ execution device. On other matters, some logs will be played next episode. Please notice the reference to a certain artist. She was featured in a prior episode. Talk about continuity.

[@ScottRutter]

"Between the Darkness and the Light" 🎶 How did we know that this plan would work? We had a spy on the inside. That’s right… Hercules Mulligan! 🎶 #Ham4B5

[@neilbiggs1353]

Why do I get the feeling Michael had a close encounter with a Coldstream Guard?... Glad you guys loved this episode, I wish there had been the time to give the Shadow-Destroyers a showcase of what they can do. You know they damage a few White Stars, but I get the feeling that they would have done some serious damage to another Earth Force ship and we don't get to see it unfortunately

[@cpmf2112]

The coffee thing was always silly to me, no reason coffee couldn't be vacuum packed and shipped out. I understand that cost might be high and quantity might be limited but no coffee? 🙄

[@Petrosman]

Coffee exists, it's just crappy coffee. Ivanova was growing fresh beans on the stations.

[@simongiles9749]

One can only assume that Ivanova was a *serious* coffee snob.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

Who today would still drink fresh coffee if a mug costs US$ 50? I'm sure you can get fresh coffee in one of the pricier restaurants on the station, those even the command crew can't just causally visit. And there are probably other items more lucrative to be brought to and sold on the station. It might be even the question of the ability to afford it. From what we have seen the ambassador's might be the richest people permanently residing on the station. Others are just there for business meetings and gone after a few days.

[@MrDdaland]

Remember, all supplies from Earth were cut off , so Ivanovas plants would have to be stretched pretty thin....

[@cpmf2112]

@@Dreamfox-df6bg Sheridan would just deduct the credits from the military budget like extra rent 😂

[@FeltWarrior]

I find Ray's lack of empathy towards Garabaldi infuriating. What the HELL was Garabaldi supposed to do!!!? He wasn't in control of his own mind! Ray even mentioned it. It's like being outraged at your partner because of a dream they had. Wanting Garabaldi to take a beating for being a victim is sick. It's like if a woman gets graped and her husband wants her to take a beating for "cheating" on him. GRRRRRR! (Still love the channel, though 🙂)

[@RKnights]

I think many of you are being unfair. You all are fans of the show just as I am, however, you all had decades to get over what Jerry Baldy has done. I know he was not in control. However, it still stings what had happened. You want me to get over that in just a few weeks when it has taken you guys prob months if not years to get over Jerry. I love that character, let me deal with my feelings my way. Thanks for hanging with us :-)

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

As bad as the episode was, Garibaldi can't follow the advice he got in 'TKO' where he was warned to watch his back. We saw the cybernet in season one when they used it on Sinclair, but we never really considered how much worse it could be used. As for the space battle, the Shadow Omegas would probably have made mincemeat out of anything the younger races could have brought to the table including Minbari ships, but the White Stars are simply on another level. And I doubt you are ready for the 'Endgame'.

[@oenrn]

There's also the poetic irony of Garibaldi being stabbed in the back... right after he stabbed Sheridan in the back.

[@stuartwald2395]

We all need more fiber in our diets.

[@jonsouth1545]

There were issues with Claudia Christians contract

[@pmyumjr]

Sweet summer children.

[@JulieFreyHomeWebBiz]

It's true there are technologies.

[@neilbiggs1353]

Julien, is your heritage Colombian or was it just a holiday there? I know you guys are gamers have you ever heard of the COIN series of Wargames? The first title was Andean Abyss (set in the Colombia unrest over the drug production with the government, AUC, FARC and the cartels as the factions), and they've made a recent one that is based on a uprising on Mars. Would love to see you guys play one of that series

[@julienn8844]

No im not, I'm puerto rican, peruvian irish, german, and Italian. Going by where my grandparents are from. I just say I'm American

[@neilbiggs1353]

@@julienn8844 Fair enough, just surprised that people would pick Colombia for a holiday, I didn't think it had settled down enough to be a destination, so was curious so thanks for the answer.

[@julienn8844]

@neilbiggs1353 oh yeah, my family actually just goes cruising annually for Thanksgiving. It doesn't matter where so long as we are gone for Thanksgiving. Our old tradition was making my grandma cook. Now she is too old so I forced my family to changed it.

[@Lion-D.-Garp]

Don't wanna brag about it.. but I went to war... had to go.. IRL... and I never ran but I would have when somebody said to me like that serious "I'm death incarnate!!!"

[@julienn8844]

Thank you for your service

[@Lion-D.-Garp]

@@julienn8844 thank you for your service ^^

[@fade.2.black.ffd8ff]

Trouble is the studio had stated that season 4 was to be the last one, and several actors had already signed new contracts with other films/series and could not commit for season 5 when this was then green lit far too late in season 4. This is all the fault of the studio. Actors not present in season 5 that would have meant sense to be there, it is all the fault of studio idiots who did not know true sci-fi. The first time when live broadcast in the 1990s resulted by refusing to watch anything produced by this stupid studio for 20 years. Same thing happened to EA games after they cancelled earth and beyond mmorpg in 2003. Good job net-7 made a mmorpg emulator recently...

[@GusCarlson-o5o]

When Lyta gives you the death stare (eyes go black), she can split you in two.

[@davidblauyoutube]

23:54 I'd link you to a shirt for sale, but they sell other stuff and I don't want you to get spoiled 🥲