8 Hunting Rifles I Regret Buying

I've reviewed dozens of guns on this channel, but there are a few hunting rifles that I would not recommend.

[@Ruweisat]

We appreciate the honesty. Too many reviews/videos are variations of sales commercials.

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@@user-tw8ov Nope

[@nmelkhunter1]

Well said.

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[@dg20120]

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[@Carl007Jr]

1. Savage Axis 00:51 2. Mossberg Patriot 2:20 3. TC Compass 3:35 4. PWS AR-10 6.5 Creedmore 4:19 5. Kimber Mountain Ascent SubAlpine 5:26 6. Remington 700 8:10 7. Remington 783 9:13 8. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@alangilligan1651]

You are good man.

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Thanks

[@JBesq]

Thank you.

[@mysticandroid57]

You are a king

[@mcinteer19]

Who wants a 783 anyway?

[@berndmuffe5681]

Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, kzbin.infoUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.

[@tomlarue654]

On your mossberg, pull the action out of the stock. Take a 5/8 spark plug socket, wrap some sand paper around it and gently sand the inside of the stock to knock down any high spots on in the stock. I saw this on Tommy Rivers channel. The barrel is heating up and no longer free floating. I did this and it works.

[@nickf8028]

Tell Mossberg. If I have to do anything it shouldn't be on the shelf.

[@nokachi3339]

@@nickf8028 Don't buy a rifle for under $400 then

[@stephenballard3759]

As far as I know as a filthy casual, I can agree with everything you said about the guns. However, I could happily shoot Core-Lokt ammo the rest of my life and not feel handicapped. When I was little you could buy it at any store that had so much as a little fishing tackle in a corner, even gas stations. Always had 30-30, .308. 30-06, .270, and .243, at least, and some .22 Thunderbolt.

[@leifhoklin2681]

It’s good in the deer woods. There’s better options for open country game.

[@catlin-vn1sh]

I had great luck with the core lokt out of my weatherby 30/06. Hard to find them now. Shooting nosler which are excellent as well.

[@validx5296]

I bought a brand new 308 700. It wasn't in my possession for not even 24 hours and started rusting worse than the savage you had. I got it traded for a model 70. I grew up on remington, I hope that they can be saved

[@barneystinson2781]

Man I keep hearing these stories. I got an 870 last year and haven't really had any problems with it at all

[@SM-zz4gx]

The 700 I bought seven years ago was the same deal, hadn't even gotten it out if the box after taking it home and evywhere I had touched it in the store was a rusty little fingerprint. Between that and its tendency to tumble bullets, I didn't keep it very long: replaced it with a Tikka T3 Lite.

[@wagstag89]

Yeah Remingtons finish is crap in many cases now. I have an 870 that I bought around 2007 and even though it's been reliable it will rust like crazy in no time. The old Wingmasters were great but like most other Remington firearms they've fallen behind in quality. It's a shame because they used to produce great guns at good prices but they've just given up and been left in the dust by so many other companies. I grew up around Remington and Marlin firearms and Remington even managed to ruin Marlin after they bought them. I have high hopes that Ruger will save the Marlin name now that they're making them

[@rickeycooley9139]

I can’t say anything on the 700 rem, but I own two model sevens and their both shooters. For what it’s worth, one is 308 , the other is 260 rem. RC

[@kyle18934]

@@SM-zz4gx I have a tikka t3 and it works wonders. Very accurate and light for hiking while on the hunt. Although it deals a swift and vicious kick when shooting it

[@gwbrush3]

I like this video; informative, straight to the point, no meaningless blather or musical interludes. Well done.

[@leesanders5154]

For what it's worth, I got a Winchester XPR chambered in .308 back in 2017 ($380) and it's been nothing but great. Amazing trigger, very accurate and never a misfire or ejection problem. Its weight is balanced, and wow the trigger is one of the best I've ever used regardless of rifle price.

[@brokenarrow6491]

Same here. I got the 350 legend in the walnut and like it a lot. Great trigger.

[@pickngrining]

270. And I love it. Trigger is amazing!

[@TheColosiss]

The XPR is shockingly similar to the Browning A bolt. The only difference I saw was the bases for ring due to a slight difference in receiver cuts. They XPR rifles are amazingly high quality for the price.

[@garnettwhite5523]

Love my xpr hunter vias cerakote 300 wm. Never had 1 problem with it yet.

[@Roberta_Esposito]

30-06 model here, excellent

[@willdeg106]

On Remington, I’m just glad marlin is in better hands now.

[@c3mac55]

This and that I grabbed my 30-30 before Remington got their hands on production. Now if Ruger would just re-release the no. 1B in stainless 30-06 with the grey laminate stock!!

[@joelmorgan1871]

I unfortunately got a remlin 45-70, with the rear sight height adjustment maxed out it shoots 2 feet low at 40yards. My buddy get an sbl with the front sight mounted on the side of the barrel. Guess they decided a quality control dept was a waste of money.

[@sbranham86]

@@joelmorgan1871 my 1895 remlin was the exact same at 50 yards though

[@joelmorgan1871]

@@sbranham86 I was disappointed, 40 yards is as far as I can shoot accurately with it, I tried out my friends henry and that rifle shoots properly, little bit more money but until ruger starts making marlins and mfg their parts a Henry big boy in 45-70 is gonna be my next purchase

[@c3mac55]

@@joelmorgan1871, fine choice in the Henry. The after-market for Marlin's is insane now and that's coming from someone who enjoys old Fenders.

[@justinolson6386]

I’ve had the same Remington 700 SPS for about 10 years. In the last five years I’ve gotten much more into firearms and specifically shooting longer ranges. Due to a recall several years ago I sent the rifle back for a trigger issue that was a result of too much material. I did not have any issues personally but I was definitely not going to chance it. As I delved further into the long range shooting, I got more into the ammo aspect and have also begun doing a little bit of reloading. As soon as I began shooting hand loads through the Remington I began having extraction issues. After consulting with several friends that are much further down the reloading road than I am, we discovered the culprit to be that of primary extraction, problems that Remington has suffered since Remington hasn’t really been Remington. The hand loads that were being put through the rifle were WELL below published max. I have also reached out to Remington about a warranty repair and received no response. It is sad to see the reputation falling away after so many years of being the industry standard. Great video!

[@TELEFUNKENU47458]

A few years back my brother saved his pennies and bought himself a brand new BAR in .308. He didnt buy it at a big box store. Tim had constant feed/extraction issues regardless of the ammo he used., whether round nose or Spitzer. Not all the time, but just often enough to piss a guy off. Took it to an old retired gunsmith now passed away, After some inspection they realized that the axis of the bore was just slightly out center with the barrel itself by a couple of thousands of an inch or so. Called Browning,and got no response...... Finally the woman informs him that "they only warranty their guns to work, not work well. Not a defect in materials or workmanship! How much do you think it would have cost browning to send him another barrel? They dont care because they dont have to. I think CZ makes a very good gun for the money, Otherwise I would continue to scour the pawn shops and find the fine old guns traded in by all the grandsons that dont know or appreciate what a "really good gun" looks like. Earnest Hemingway wrote about that very topic. Look it up sometime. Might change your perspective. Gun collecting is a lifetime endeavor. Happy hunting Justin!

[@syitiger9072]

I just bought a timny trigger

[@joshlampe3458]

Absolutely love my TC compass, have it in .223. It's an absolute tack driver. Bought a Boyd's At One and it's the budget king after a mandatory trigger job that includes replacing the spring. A little work, and you're putting a lot of money (comparatively) into upgrades, but after mods it would whoop ass in the best under $500. It wouldn't even be close.

[@babarama283]

I bought a stainless Sako 75 in 30-06 years ago and never looked back!

[@thomaslinton6446]

Awesome video! Great points! Glad to see you guys back making videos!

[@fakerfake1]

This is great info! Thanks for all the hard work and honesty that you put into your videos! Do you think you could do a review on safes at some point? I know that you primarily review guns, but being able to store them is also important and I would love to hear your honest opinion on safe options!

[@raymondeaton5692]

I have a 700 with a walnut stock I bought about two years ago. It was new in the box but I'm not sure when it was made. It is a very well made rifle and accuracy with off the shelf ammo is amazing. I can't believe that everything Remington made over the last twenty years is poor quality.

[@dylanrathgeber4197]

I picked up a 700 bdl not long ago and I'm repunching holes at 100 yards in the first 10 shots, bought this to replace an older 700 bdl that performed the same, love these guns

[@deansigman6099]

I picked up a Remington 870 and had it out for some skeet shooting. Took it home, cleaned it and put it in the safe. 3 weeks later the barrel was rusting up. Sold it and got a Mossberg 500.

[@MrMalicious5]

Remington had periods where their rifles were excellent and others where they are trash. They really have to be approached on a case by case basis.

[@terrymcclendon2277]

I have not to this day ever shot a bad Remington 700 and I have them from the 80s til now all tack drivers !

[@jmebig3044]

This guy’s take is 100% correct about Remington. I had a rem 700 that was awesome though it didn’t stay awesome. Had another that won’t shoot for crap even with hand loads. My buddy has a 700 that’s older, and it’s one of the best shooting guns I’ve ever seen.

[@masonbrantley9646]

My savage did the same thing after hunting in the rain. My browning a-bolt has been in rain several times and looks perfect. It’s also way older and still looks better.

[@yungsinna3678]

Man I had a savage too and i kept it clean it never had rust but I had other issues with it now I got a browning xbolt and it’s a great gun

[@dgpaintandbudlight7643]

I got 2 so far and im looking for more savage model 110 rifles very great gun no issues in rain or nothing the savage axis is a walmart brand cheap materials are gonna rust 🤣

[@stevencline1041]

I have a Savage 110 from 1982, it spent 20 years in a safe before I inherited it and has less rust.

[@joshbrown5141]

I agree 100% about the Savage Axis. Mine has never been in the rain only out hunting a few times mostly to the range after every trip has been cleaned and oiled up and some how has rust spots on the barrel, bolt, and bolt face. That said it does hold a special place to me as that the first rifle I got and love shooting it in .243 Win and is the same rifle that got me into reloading. If it wasnt for some of those reasons I would sell it for something else probably. Great video really enjoyed the honest reviews.

[@mernyr]

I was legit about to get a Remington 700 until I saw this. I’ve heard the stories about their quality and I’d shot a buddy of mines 700 which was chambered in .300 win mag and it was solid but I realized he got his 10-15+ years ago. I’m trying to get into hunting, and want a good rifle for both practice and that I can carry on trips. Thanks for the honesty, you just saved me $700+.

[@coolray99]

Get a Weatherby Vanguard, Tikka, or Bergara

[@jonquirk9582]

Remington is garbage post 2010. Save your money

[@Brandenuzis]

The new Remingtons are straight dog shit. I had a 700 tactical 243 and you wouldn’t be able to hit a broadside barn with it. Probably worse than any mossberg I’d recommend a bergara or a browning X bolt

[@marcmartinez8015]

Thank you so much for this review. Literally every single rifle I’ve looked into buying you just solved for me. I was never sure which one was the right one because not enough con reviews are out there. 👏🏻 thanks again. May have to go check out the browning

[@MP-kl5ej]

Unfortunately I would have to agree with your statement on the rust on the Savage Axis. I have a Savage 110 Tactical in 6.5 Creedmoor that shoots lights out, but after 1 night of coyote hunting where a slight fog developed towards the end of the night, by the next morning my Barrel was rusted out. After researching how to get rust off a barrel I was able to take it off, but I would agree that the Blueing that Savage is doing on their rifles is very sub-par.

[@bygodfreeman]

Thats why mine isn`t worthy of external cleaning. Just the barrel, and bolt.

[@dinsixiengmay9781]

Rattle can paint just should work👍

[@crispusattucks6094]

Wonder if it’s a recent issue? My axis has seen some crap and no rust anywhere.

[@Bubakarrr]

@@crispusattucks6094 no rust on axis either but its only been with me in the woods a few times in the rain. Fingers crossed it stays rust free

[@baird329]

I wipe my Axis with a Hoppes silicone rag to prevent rust. It has worked so far. I've thought about getting it cerakoted to make it where I don't need to wipe it down every time I pull it from the safe.

[@petersquatch]

Oh yeah I see that mossberg 😂. I used to want one. Got a Weatherby Vanguard Meat Eater Edition (7mm RM) instead, I love it so much.

[@imafreakinhistorian2169]

Good Call !

[@ChristopherBrusa]

Great choice. 👍🏻

[@c3mac55]

If you want a smaller, handier version of the same rifle check out the Howa ranchland compact. It's a camp fave due to being reliable, accurate and comfortable for a wide range of shooters. The detachable mag kit shaves some weight and makes loading/unloading much easier.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

I'm jonesing for a Wby Accumark with the coyote tan cerakote. The model I'm interested in is in loads of places on the 'net. images.coreware.com/images/products/516613-1049919.jpg

[@hedge7743]

Guys, the Howa 1500's can't be beat for the price. The trigger is amazing. The stock is very solid with a great pad, and Cerakote is standard on some models for around $600. I know I'll have some detractors, but I now own three different models and looking at a fourth. God bless, Stay safe, Shoot straight. - Hedge

[@wesleyhobbs9]

I also appreciate your honesty. I agree with almost everything you said on those rifles. I a lot of companies are taking shortcuts and using cheap metals and cheap parts, while slapping together a gun that looks nice but isn’t all that great and doesn’t perform all that well. My advice has been to many many people over the years, especially the last 15 years, save a little longer and a little harder and get something a level or two higher than what you had originally planned. It will last you a lot longer and you will have a lot less issues. In the long run you will enjoy it more as well. As far as the Kimber rifle goes, I agree with everything you said except the fluted barrel. I don’t know what kind of darrell material they use and I’ve never handled that Specific rifle, but there are many rifles that have fluted barrels that you can easily runoff 5 to 8 shots in a pretty decent time. To cite your gun in order practice and then let the barrel cool for 10 minutes. That should not be an issue with most guns

[@whiteyfisk9769]

Its absolutely pathetic that anything under 1000 bucks is absolute garbage anymore...unless its a Tikka lol, those are amazing still thank God. Its sad to say but stay away from modern American made guns, theyre absolute pump and dump consoomer garbage much like most of our culture and society anymore

[@wesleyhobbs9]

@@whiteyfisk9769 I couldn’t agree with you more. You’re spot on with your comment! Even just looking at some of the rifles in the stores under $1000, absolute garbage with very little workmanship. Yes there are people that are looking for this price point and don’t care about how the rifle is built or how it functions, so they don’t care. However, in my opinion if you’re going to spend seven or $800 on an average to low grade rifle that will have problems or probably fall apart at some point in time, you might as well spend another three to $700 and get something a hell of a lot better that will last a lot longer. Thanks for the reply :-) I agree with everything you said

[@Rakkasan-vr8xt]

I wax my barrels if I’m going out every time. Sounds weird but I’ve been doing it 30 years and no rust yet.

[@cjsawinski]

@Brandon Kirkman I don’t know this for a fact or from experience but in my woodshop I use paste wax on all my iron tool surfaces (table saw, jointer, planer). Works great in the shop and I would try it personally with my guns but I’ve never waxed them and never had a rust problem

[@johnconrad3549]

Get ya some gun Rigg grease that's all I've ever used and I have no guns with rust on them

[@huntingfanatic9599]

I have an axis sun 270 I had it in the rain and snow give it a wipe down after you get home and it’s fine you’ll never have to worry ab 110 tho

[@jakededrick7068]

My old marlin .30-.30 has almost no blueing left and it hasn’t rusted yet

[@joecimarello6342]

Just better quality steel in the old "JM" marked Marlins

[@jagamoasta2310]

Because this dude doesn't oil... Steel won't rust if you oil it propperly...

[@kyle18934]

@@jagamoasta2310 if i am not going to use a fire arm for a good while, i put a disgusting amount of oil on them. its better to just clean it off later than have any chance of rust. just my opinion though

[@jagamoasta2310]

@@kyle18934 The opinion of a smart man... Even my CZ's will rust like a motherfuck*r if i don't oil them.... It doesn't even have to rain, you can see where he put his greasy fingers... Skin also contains salts (sweat...) This really damages the steel!

[@kyle18934]

@@jagamoasta2310 I have my great grandpa's shotguns, some of them are from the 1950s. When I oil them (I try to re oil every 3 months) I put as much as I can without them dripping. So far they have been mostly without rust. Thwy were treated horribly when I got them though. They were put in a shed in an area that is humid.

[@rustyshackleford3649]

An early production Ruger tang safety is probably the best value for the money in a used hunting rifle. Nice bluing, simple but nice walnut stock, stout action, adjustable trigger, and the early tangs shoot well in my experience.

[@theonesickman]

I really like my MK2 as well. Bolt closed lock is comforting in dense brush.

[@justinflud3415]

After watching your reviews on the cheaper rifles, I decided to clean and go through my cab gun. It's a savage model 11 in 7mm-08. You guys said you had some feeding issues, well I noticed something after a cleaning session. I loaded the max into the mag (4 rounds) and upon installing the magazine I noticed I could not get the rear of my magazine to set flush. So I opened the bolt and applied pressure from the top so I wouldn't have a live round in the chamber and the rear of the magazine would be flush with the stock. I'm thinking if the magazine isn't seated properly, that might cause a feeding problem. Just what I noticed, if you have any questions or want more information, message me if that's an option on here. Just feed back,I really like what you guys are doing and keep up the good work

[@squib3083]

Appreciate your candid perspective and sharing your experiences.

[@CodyPatrick55]

I had a Mossberg ATR Night train, the predecessor to the MVP line. It’s the only gun I’ve ever sold. No regrets about getting rid of it.

[@80krauser]

Same, missed two deer on two consecutive days in pretty much the same spot.

[@rex8958]

I knew before I clicked the mossberg was on here 😂

[@richwilcox9564]

Love my T/C Compass (.243 win) & my T/C Venture (25-06). Affordable, accurate & comfortable to shoot. I did upgrade both triggers w/ Mcarbo’s. Very disappointed that the Mossberg was a flop. Thanks for all the work you do. Keep em coming.

[@IkariMadness]

That feel when you own 3 of these.....

[@MrKimberr]

Sell them all and buy a good one.

[@IkariMadness]

@@MrKimberr Meh, not really necessary. I have terrible eyesight, so my long distance game is pretty pointless. For shorter ranges I have an Enfield no4 and an SVT 40 I have grown rather fond of. They just go into the back of the safe until I need them.

[@johnstudd4245]

There is nothing wrong with some of those guns. If it functions reliably and shoots well, it's good to go in my book. My TC Compass in 6.5 Creedmoor(had for under 300$ at the time) with a Nikon Prostaff 4-12 power scope( for 200$ at the time, and I think has the quality of a scope costing much more) will hold 1" groups at 100 yds with my handloads. I adjusted the trigger down to 2-3 lbs and gave the stock a nice camo paint job(I hate plain black stocks), it's sweet rig. Many of us do not have piles of money to throw around. For about 550$ invested, I love it. Some may say it does not have the "feel" of a 2,000$ gun. Maybe not, but it fits the bill for me.

[@stasiuk76]

Yeah.. Cabelas sale last year, bought for the family Savage axis 6.5 creedmoor. Worried now too

[@daniellavoie8379]

I just finished reloading 6.5 Creedmoor Lapua brass and Sierra 140 gr Gameking for the SIG Cross. I look forward to your review to compare with my experience. Cheers!

[@TheOutdoorGeneralist]

1) As for the 6.5 gas gun...you guys need to give reloading a try! Even through the shortage, I've been able to find components to load 6.5 Creed for around $0.70/rnd. 2) It almost made me weep seeing you destroy that T/C Compass lol. I don't remember what caliber yours was chambered in, but its too bad it didn't group well for you. Yes it's cheap and doesn't have the fit and finish of a $1K rifle, but most of them shoot excellently, my particular example shooting sub-MOA all day long. I only wish that I'd bought more of them in different calibers when they were cheap. I did end up replacing the stock with a Boyd's, but it was to get a shorter length of pull for my diminutive wife. The factory stock was fairly well-built and had very little flex. Add a $35 trigger kit and you have what I think is the best rifle under $500. Looking forward to those upcoming reviews!

[@noclass2gun342]

As someone who recreationally shoots 338 lapua, 35 bucks a mag is rookie numbers

[@wingednomad8423]

Where are you finding brass? I just picked up a 6.5 prc and already have buyers remorse because I can't find ammo or reloading supplies.

[@TheOutdoorGeneralist]

WingedNomad Starline mostly

[@samjurden3410]

I bought a Remington 700 American hunter 2019 in 6.5 CM it's a great rifle. It has a Bellen Carlson stock & shoots very good. It shoots different Bullet weight to the same point of aim. It was more money than some of the more plan 700 Your making great videos keep it up. Thanks Sam

[@TheRossillini]

I won’t buy a savage ever again, mine did the same thing with maintenance and every bolt from the barrel to the stock was completely loose.

[@johnbrand8366]

I’ve never had any problems with any of my savages and I’ve got .308 , (2) 22-250, (2).204 Great shooting rifles.

[@donaldbougie694]

@@johnbrand8366Yes,you have reason!

[@swamper2fly]

I have a mineral oil rag in a zip lock baggie. Always wipe down before storage

[@Greyzonecompliant]

Me to, Got the tip from a gunblue490 video. Only problem is that I dont know if the factory blueing is weak. On any of the rifles, they just wont rust. 😉👍

[@mrdinme.4768]

@@Greyzonecompliant yep, same here, and yes saw it on Gunblue also!

[@tonydoggett7627]

Same! and I have some Silica sachets in a container in the bottom of my gun safe.

[@rowdybroomstick1216]

Which pawnshop will the 6.5 be at?

[@2wheeleddemon999]

For real

[@declanmagill7624]

I have 2 Savage Axis', one in .243 and one in .270. Never had a single problem with either. Both are pretty good, very accurate, likes the cheap ammo. Neither one is rusting.

[@christopherrowley7506]

Yeah I'm pretty suspicious of what happened to that rifle. Looks like it sat outside for a couple of weeks. I wouldn't do that to a knife, and I certainly wouldn't do it to a gun. I'm old school though and I like carbon steel knives, and I think the ritual of maintenance is a blessing not a curse.

[@steveww1507]

@@christopherrowley7506 oil goes a long way

[@thecheapshot1065]

I appreciate the honesty. When building your channel it's so hard to do I know I've come into conflict myself and whether or not I wanted to be honest about the state of black hound optics and the moves the company is making which regrettably negatively impact the consumer because I really want to get a similar sponsorship that I had with black hound through other manufacturers in that I say give me good quality equipment to review and you will get good reviews now I would never base an entire product line on one item but I am happy to share the experiences that I had with that one item to prepare consumers for what they could potentially come in contact with. Everybody's 11 everybody manufactures something that falls to the extreme of one end of the quality control spectrum of the other to me what makes a quality product is how readily willing the company is to make the situation right. And by right I don't mean going out of their way to overly satisfy the customer but to go out of their way to quickly and accurately correct the problem the customer has come into contact with. I don't expect you to upgrade my scope because the one I got has a bad day after but I would like you to send me a replacement that you hand checked yourself and then be willing to overnight it to minimize the inconvenience that I might be experiencing

[@panzer5033]

I wanted the Mossberg to do well, they seem to be very hit or miss.

[@johnnyalvarez7788]

I bought two and you’re right I guess it’s hit or miss. Both of mine were definite hits! I love both of them I switched the stock on one to a Boyd and it’s my favorite rifle now! The other Im keeping lightweight for hunts that require miles of hiking. Threw a camo wrap on it and she’s a beauty as well!

[@zaneleavitt9690]

@@johnnyalvarez7788 my brother loves his shoots sub Moa

[@chevyon37s]

@@johnnyalvarez7788 by putting a Boyd’s stock on one you’ve now spent just as much as buying a better rifle to start with. I put a Boyd’s stock on my Axis, and it shoots better but it’s still a POS that doesn’t shoot all that great. It’s one of two firearms I regret buying, and having spent the money on it now it doesn’t even make economic sense to get rid of it because nobody wants to pay what it’s worth because it’s still a low end rifle. That said I got a Bergara B14 ridge rifle and so much more happy with it, and haven’t had to do a single thing to it.

[@win300mag1]

I bought my son a youth model patriot in .243 and it was a very frustrating ordeal. Started out with 100 grain bullets for deer hunting and it wouldn’t hold a trash can solid size group at 100 yds. Backed down to 90 grains figuring it was an issue with the twist rate on the barrel and it’s better but I still can’t get better than a 5-6 inches. I haven’t been pleased at all.

[@JaronActual]

Mine was a miss. It couldn't do better than 1.25 MOA.

[@mattwinnell6363]

Hey guys love the channel, could you do a review on the Australian made Lithgow 102 in either 308 or 223?

[@jimmyjones2426]

Check out Ozzie Reviews he’s done great reviews on both plus the .243 win. Beautiful rifles. My .243 shoots 1/2” with hand loads no problem at all

[@Nello353]

Bought a Compass 3 yrs ago ,gave it a trigger job ,changed the stock to a Boyd,s thumbhole and it shoots just great.Enjoy your videos

[@gregparret87]

Thank you! As a small shop FFL you provide videos I can give clients a reference too. Super good information and great reviews.

[@loweralabamahomesteading4661]

I would love to see yall review the mauser m18

[@danno1800]

I admire you for telling it like it is! Thanks - much appreciated…I have subscribed.

[@taurus600]

I've had a Remington 700 for years, first hunting rifle, I've got a folding bipod mounted on it and its been a pretty good rifle... the bluing could be better, but compared to a 770, the action is SO MUCH smoother, I've never personally had a jam, or even had the bolt walk while loading a second shot. It makes for a good first rifle, on a budget, and right out of the box from Walmart it was shooting 1 MOA groups easy, which impressed me because I didn't think they sighted them in much at the factory. But I do agree, they need to up the quality on the stocks and bluing of the barrels, and could definitely make better actions for them as well.

[@JW-fq1pp]

So that was interesting about the Thompson Center Compass. I have a lefty TC Dimension chambered in .308. It cost in the neighborhood of $650 and I had thought to buy a couple of additional barrels in different calibers for it but never did. TC didn't produce them for very long, I think people were mostly put off by their looks. Its very ergonomically designed, and as accurate as one could want. I did take it to a gunsmith to thread the barrel for a muzzle brake, which helped a lot with accuracy and follow up shots. Its my favorite bolt action, but now I'm very stingy with the ammo so I'm not shooting it much.

[@alanmcconnaughey2698]

A review of the Benelli Lupo would be cool. Great channel!

[@israelnava6882]

We all want to see that mossberg after the trip to the gunsmith lol! I have one myself that also groups like crap but I have taken 2 deer with it lol!

[@ethanabrams6250]

I have a couple mossbergs and they both shot under Moa but I also have heard that they either shoot great or they dont

[@israelnava6882]

@@ethanabrams6250 you got lucky, I’m very tempted to buy another one and see if I get a better one

[@JaronActual]

@@israelnava6882 Despite the over-MOA groups, my Patriot would have been sufficient as a lightweight 200-yard hunting rifle. As a tool to improve my skill at the range, it was subpar.

[@Superxnmxfan]

Love the reviews. I own 3 different savage axis (.22,.223, & 30-06). I haven't had any rust issues. I've owned the .22 for about 6 yrs and my son and I have used it in So. CA hunting varmints. I keep a humidity gauge in my safe. Welcome to Utah. I just moved ro cedar city in July. Looking for hunters in area and older dirt bike riders lol. I have a gunsmith shop about a mile away and so far they've done great work. If you're interested they're name is Desert Predator Custom. Thanks for the videos.

[@masterchaud555]

After working a hunting store in the Canadian north, I can attest that it's disproportionate how many Savage Axis rifles would come in rusted compared to everything else

[@mistral-unizion-music]

I just bought a Savage model 10 FCP LE. I hope it has a better rust protection. Can you confirm?

[@win300mag1]

Loved my 700s but after some serious issues I’ve had with recent SPS models, I went with Bergara and I’ve been very pleased.

[@rexhamilton6381]

Same here

[@todsimpkins8908]

love my Bergara. Its what Remington SOULD be.

[@packerjh2]

Problem is you bought sps

[@rocksandoil2241]

I had a great 30-06 Remington 700 from the 80s....no one wanted it anyway. So I recently gave it to my nephew. It is an excellent rifle.

[@entrepreneurlife649]

My mom has a nice old specimen of a R700. Wood stock, cut checkering, real bluing and not the powder coat, jeweled bolt. An absolute beauty.

[@preacherbiggin]

My compass (6.5 creedmoor) shoots amazing. From 120gr-143gr eld-x (reloads of course). Worst 5 shot group @ 100 was 1.07". Most are 3/4 to 1/2" consistently. The trigger i adjusted down to a crisp 3lbs. Johnny's Reloading Bench has a pile of videos shooting tons of UNDER 1/2" groups with tons of different bullets & powder in a compass in 65creed. Were you shooting factory ammo & if so what brands. Love the channel! Keep up the great content sir! God bless!

[@Lafreeyah]

I appreciate the brutal honesty. A couple rifles that could be on that table from my experience: The Remington 710 the bolt action was so bad to cycle it was basically a single shot rifle. The TC Venture won't fire in cold temperatures, found out the hard way when not 1, but 2 trophy bucks walked by without a shot.

[@TheSuperpunk92]

Enjoyed the vid. Still waiting on the 6.8 western profile though….please.

[@GuitarGunner]

I have a Thompson Center Compass 30-06 and it's extremely accurate, at least for the distances I'm shooting here in the Ozarks. I have no gripes about it at all.

[@timmartin4658]

I have a T/C Compass in 6.5 Creedmoor and it's extremely accurate also. Less the .25in groups at 100 yards and a smooth action, easybto shoot. I love it and so did my Uncle who had all kinds of guns and loved Bolt guns. I'm also shooting in the Ozarks and I can't talk up the Compass enough. The trigger is great, no complaints from me about it, except for that every time I shot it last year it rained and the only rust on it is the sling mounts

[@GuitarGunner]

@@timmartin4658 That's great to hear! I also took my Compass out in the rain (most days I was able to hunt this past season were rainy) and I've got no rust on it at all. Not sure but maybe the guys who did the review got one with bad bluing? Who knows....

[@Jay-ik1ge]

I’m with you guys on theT/C Compass. Tim like you I have one in a 6.5 Creedmoor. Very accurate and never had a rust issue.

[@operationNOBO]

I rarely see anyone say a bad thing about a TC Compass. I question their "cheap" gripe. I honestly can't really tell a cheap synthetic stock vs an expensive one, that goes from shotguns to bolt guns.

[@johngrove2035]

I have a t/c in 6.5 creed and im at 300yrds with a less than 1"group I've used mine in snow rain and everything in between and no rust and no issues whatsoever .

[@chriskola3822]

I have a Mossberg Patriot and actually quite like it. I took it apart immediately with the intention of bedding the action and was surprised (maybe not) to see that they use some sort of "glue" to hold the recoil lug in the stock. After removal of the gunk and a quick bedding job mine shoots a bit over MOA. Good enough (at that price point) for me.

[@adamweece2692]

Thanks, this is great! I've been fortunate with my TC Compass- groups great, handles well, cycles reliably- but the with the low cost ($220) it was an acceptable gamble. Growing up with Remington, Winchester, and Browning, I had never given much thought to Tikka but I'm checking it out now. I will say that when I bought my Compass, I also handled multiple other rifles in the under $500 category, and completing a blind test for feel and function made all the difference. No matter what I'd read or heard, the handling of so many lauded rifles (like your issue with the kimber trigger) with my eyes closed immediately disqualified more than half of them. They just didn't feel right to me, and if a rifle can't first pass that test, nothing else is going to matter.

[@Riqrob]

My TC Compass shoots great as well. Accurate. The trigger can be adjusted to a hair trigger by using a little imagination and a washer.

[@andybassham2369]

Seems like as I scroll through the comments, I really haven't seen a lot of bad experiences with the TC Compass so far.

[@Riqrob]

@@andybassham2369 It's not fancy, but it is an accurate rifle. My coyote shooter is a TC with w suppressor and thermal scope. Fun as hell

[@bobbytraugott6259]

ive got a tikka 22-250 , awesome coyote gun and a plus , the triggers adjustable

[@durrellmartin5634]

I have had great success with the Mossberg Patriot. I definitely recommend the Ruger American as well. Super tight and nice an short

[@clancyrosenberg614]

Buddy of mine has a ruger American ranch in 7.62x39 and with corrosive communist surplus ammo we are consistently getting 1.5 moa at 100 yards

[@littlejoey22]

I had the same experience with Mossberg that you had. As a kid I spent my first paychecks I got in the military on a 935. The firing pin struck the primers off center and with that I’d get pretty frequent malfunctions. I sent that stupid gun back 3 times before I said the hell with mossbergs. Each time they would say the gun worked fine. I ran lots of different brands of shells through it but had they all had the same result. Mossberg has some serious quality control issues.

[@whiteyfisk9769]

Mossberg shotguns are GTG, Mossberg rifles stay far away from

[@michaelkraus4135]

Great Reviews ! please DO MORE !

[@GingrasForABM-Riding25-NB]

The Mossberg barrel requires a couple of minutes to cool. Otherwise, sight it with a hot barrel and then you'll get your grouping. That's been my experience. In consecutive shots, my first will bullseye at 100 yards, and then 4 inches above on second, third, fourth etc, until I let the barrel cool again. Not ideal, but I now know how to aim a second shot, if required.

[@chancebehunin43]

Welcome to southern utah!!!!! Would love to go shooting sometime

[@Absaalookemensch]

Remembering the days, in the 1980s-1990s, when I could buy a 98 Mauser/Type 38 or 99 Japanese or SMLE rifles, a Fajen/Bishop 90% inletted stock, scope mounts and scope, with hours of elbow grease and have a sub 1 MOA hunting rifle for under $300, often around $200. Reloading ammo for under $10 for 100 rounds, jacketed hunting loads. Cast loads were under $5 for 100 rounds.

[@oceanbytez847]

and now some ammo is over 2$ a shot so 3 shots cost more than 100 back then. Its very sad.

[@paintrane1179]

I watched the first 24 seconds of your video and immediately hit the subscribe button. Don't ever sell out and don't ever stop being honest!!!

[@Mike13Wayne]

Great information and nice video, I actually purchased a patriot because of the price however mine shot beautifully. Just goes to show that it can change from rifle to rifle.

[@notsofast60]

This was a very valuable review for me. Thank you for this.

[@Dimitrius001]

Great video. I have always been a firm believer of the old axiom “You get what you pay for.” I am by no means a wealthy man, but I pinched my pennies and purchased a model 70 extreme weather, and an older used, but pristine Sako AV. I wanted guns that I know will last and can be passed down. I have also purchased a Bergara B14 Ridge Rifle and will say that that rifle is what Remington should be building. I wanted a Remington model 700 really bad, but after handling a couple, I just couldn’t do it and bought the Bergara.

[@willd7596]

Bergara's are basically Rem 700's. Also, much of the USMC Rem 700 community now works for Bergara.

[@leshemby9430]

Old Remington is nice. New is crap

[@paulcallicoat7597]

I was given a 700 in '06 40+ years ago by a brother in law. It had less than 20 rounds put thru it. I paid to put a better barrel on it and a Timney trigger. I broke the stock falling on a steep scree sloop in the N.Cascade Mountains on a mule deer hunt so a Carlson stock was the replacement. I took a lot of game with it and my best shot was 740 yrds on a mule deer with a 3x9 Shepherd scope on it. No rest but timed fire from the shoulder. Training to shoot and burning powder with a spotter is what makes the difference. I won't use factory ammo as it's anemic and seriously under loaded. The ammo producers can't be faulted because they don't want to be sued by the ambulance chasers. Lets face it, lawyers have messed up everything because they want to milk the system for money. The trigger problem with the m700 was mainly a user problem. In the manual it tells the buyer to not adjust the trigger below 7#s as it will fire if the safety is taken off if the trigger is pulled while on safety.After 30 years of firing thousands of rounds and 2 barrel change out and detecting a slight creep in the release I replaced it with the Timney. That old gun is still putting rounds on the bullseye at 500 yards with no problem but its no beauty and won't make much money for my family when I go.lol They best guns are designed to fire multiple shots from the shoulder and that means levers,bolts and anything else. The m94 winchesters out of the box fails but the Savage m99 would and still is putting meat on America's dinner plate. I tried a Howa bolt action and it was horrible.Jamming and hanging up from the shoulder.With the Remington 700 I can put 6 rounds down range in less than 10 seconds . I killed 5 coyotes in a pack from 200 to 300 yrds once. No fur to sell as the 06 will blow them up. There are bad guns but if that is all you have then learn to use it til you can get something better. The 3030 is considered weak but I knew farmers up in Ontario,Canada who killed moose every year for 40 years with them.They took them apart and used honing compound to smooth the actions so they would reliably work from the shoulder. One old timer would buy a box of 20 every 20 years and only used 1 round to harvest his moose. He was Scottish. lol He had his fathers .44 1873 Winchester but didn't use it to hunt moose as the bullets weren't easy to buy. I'm sure he would have if the ammo was available.

[@TELEFUNKENU47458]

CZ makes also makes a really nice gun for the money, but you cant find any right now. Bergara is surprisingly good for the price point.too.

[@JohnRIvory]

Purchased Bergara B14 hmr. Loved all I researched about it and I was limited to being lefty. Cleaned, mounted, leveled and bore sighted viper PS2 . Haven’t shot but will begin breaking in this week. Only thing is weight 9.5 but lesser at 7.5?

[@Meh-hr7gq]

Really like this channel. Honest as the day is long.

[@ryannesbitt3300]

I wish I had seen this when you first made it! I woulda LOVED that 6.5 creedmoor!

[@juanmiguellerose4015]

Good vídeo. Could You make a review of the Sauer 100 fieldshot? I'm intersted on it. Be safe, and good shots!

[@rileybell9707]

Own a sauer 100 , could not recommend them any higher , they are just perfect , they are so well made and worth every cent

[@garydoyon6454]

I also own a sauer 100 classic and wow is that thing accurate

[@americanmade6480]

All my good Remington's are from back in the day. They're my nicest rifles. But I have a newer model 770 and it's an absolute pile. The mags fall apart randomly and you have to put them back together all the time. The stock feels and looks like a kids toy with a plastic trigger guard. The bolt doesn't slide smooth at all no matter what you do to it. It'll probably sit in my safe un touched for the next 20 years.

[@charlescooke6609]

Seven deer in seven years, seven bullets used. 770 May feel like junk but it shoots. Oh yeah,add a coyote.

[@chevyon37s]

Makes you wonder how people even took them out of the gun store

[@davidr1676]

I miss when hardware stores, places like Kmart, and local or chain gas stations sold firearms. I was a kid at the time but I remember when we had more than 1 gun shop/retailer/dealer/gunsmith with selling too and there were more than 1 business per 500 people and I didn't even count the folks selling out of their homes or places I may be forgetting such as post it boards and newspapers.

[@davidr1676]

My(our) decent Remingtons are pretty old in comparison. I mean my 30-06 came from my one grandfather who died in 88 and the rifle wasn't new then.

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

..Well, back in the day, the old man's Remington Speedmaster tube-fed takedown .22 would not fire more than 2 rounds without jamming. Bro sold it, even tho' it was a family heirloom. The landlord bought a Nylon 66, when they first came out. Jammed continually. He actually smashed it and tossed it into a bonfire..

[@danasampson818]

Great review. I am new to your channel, and I really like your honest reviews. This one was painful. I am a huge Remington fan. My first shotgun, when I was 14 years old (a long time ago), was a Remington 1100 that I paid for by mowing lawns. I still have it. My most reliable gun is a Remington 870 Express. It was my duck gun for 25 years until my VersaMax. My 870 still goes with me on duck hunts in case my VersaMax breaks (which it has, a few times). I am retired law enforcement, and for 27 years I always trusted the 870 with 0O Buck shot as my secondary weapon. I WANT Remington to be a great gun company again. They need to listen to you and FIX it. Gun sales are at an all-time high. If they build it, we will come. Ruger, S&W, Weatherby, and CZ are my choices of late.

[@Keefybudz]

Thanks ! This is a much needed much appreciated video. You're right not alot do this but is as equally valuable

[@NihilusTheGreat]

Please follow up on the mossberg patriot. I am very interested in seeing what is wrong with it and see what it will take to make it right. Thanks

[@chevyon37s]

Needs the action squared/trued and a good barrel and it’ll shoot like any SUB MOA guaranteed off the shelf rifle. Given at that point it’ll also cost as much as one.

[@ethanabrams6250]

The rear action screw on this gun is not your normal type of action screw so my guess is that it’s either that or it could be bases,rings or scope. Will be interesting to see what it is. Also all the mossbergs that I have seen and heard that don’t shoot have the wood stock

[@beanperry]

My TC Compass II has done me good since I bought it last year. Took a dear the first time I took it to the deer stand. I take it to the range about once a month and the thing shoots spot on each time.

[@patrickkerner1471]

Mine in 243 with a Nikon 3by9 and wouldn't trade it for any other deer gun! Worth every dollar!

[@beanperry]

@@patrickkerner1471 I've got a vortex vanquish 3-9×40 in my setup and love it

[@roblobello9299]

Your comments on the Mountain Ascent are spot on. I bought my rifle chambered in 300 Win mag to stalk hunt in Africa. It hoensly worked great and was perfect of some long stalks, but at the range the 3rd shot left me wondering and I passed on some 350-400 yard shots as i did not trust the rifle. I took 8 animals in 12 days of rough weather hunting. Only had to hit one more than once (sable 3x at 250+ yards). Will be buying a thicker barrel for next hunt despite a bit more weight.

[@tonysmith5465]

Outstanding video friend. Great work. Keep up the good job. Thanks a lot. SC Navy vet.

[@easttexan2933]

I've owned 2 T/C compass rifles, both in 6.5CM and found them to be very accurate (< 1MOA). I currently own a first run Ruger American in 270 and cannot chamber but the first 2 rounds from the mag. 3rd round hangs up on top of #4. Accuracy is MOA but of the two guns, I prefer the Compass.

[@angrydoc7775]

Tc compass was my first rifle and it's great besides the stock. I got mine in .308 and it's actually crazy good getting 1/2 moa for me at 150 yards

[@mofojackson]

Bro you have no idea how much I appreciate your channel and reviews! As someone who has ALWAYS defended the 2A, understanding that beyond anything else it's to act as a final check against tyranny, but who's never made it a priority to own firearms until now, your reviews are so helpful! I appreciate it man keep up the awesome work 😁

[@mentorofarisia371]

This channel, and Hickok45, are my two favorites for honest opinions. And although I like Hickok more, I think this channel is the best for useful information and honesty.

[@mobro41]

It annoys me how I find random channels like this with out knowing it exist. Good stuff brother!

[@cliffordschorr]

I totally understand the issue you have with that kimber. Still love my hunter though.

[@gregmartin8664]

Can't agree entirely on the Kimber Mtn. Ascent faults. I have one in 308 and love it. Been to Africa with it twice, antelope in Wyoming, hogs in Texas, and have taken a fair amount of game with it. Stock design is just not a problem. Recoil pad could be better, agreed. But with the muzzle brake, it's just not an issue. I also have two model 700s - a 22-250 tack driver from the late 60s and a 308 in the 5R model from 10 years ago. Quality was still OK for the 5R, but the action was showing a decline in finish and smoothness. Great review - thank you!

[@kanehouse9697]

I’m just happy with my Browning A Bolt medallion in .308 even tho ammo is expensive right now it is my main hunting Rifle and it shoots tight groups and it does it’s job

[@davidturcotte5677]

I have a 1996 A-bolt in 3006 that they call the Lazer Beam in hunting camp. Drops whatever you point it at!!

[@entrepreneurlife649]

I'm moving to Browning when it's time to shift around the usage philosophies of my current guns. Almost went to the T-bolt .17HMR to replace my .243. I already have a 270 and the wife actually wants a paper target gun and not a hunting gun. So the 17 would be my varmint gun (up to coyotes) and the 270 is everything else.

[@kanehouse9697]

@@davidturcotte5677 I love the 30-06 round I just only own an M1 Garand for shooting the round tho but since you also have the ABolt I just need to ask you a question and that being is your bolt rougher than most even after cleaning mine seems to always be just a little rough

[@MrMalicious5]

A bolts suck. Receivers are cast, no aftermarket support, almost no one will rebarrel them. Say this as someone who has several.

[@shiftyfiesh11]

Love the comment about the kimber and the barrel, couldn’t agree more. Finally got mine dialed by going to the range shooting 2 shots. Letting it cool for 10 minutes then shooting 2 shots.

[@danieldunham9978]

Totally agree with you on Remington! I have an old 870 wingmaster and boy have they slipped since then!

[@Miner49er1]

I live near St. George, Utah, and Dixie Gun Worx is a great place for gun-smithing needs. I've gone there several times. Let me know if you want their information, but you can easily google them and find their location. I am not affiliated with them, I just like their service.

[@spencertressaadams8427]

Haven't had any service done but used them as my FFL for a few purchases and always had a good experience with them.

[@jamesgalliver6652]

Dude I run a savage axis for hunting. The barrel is even has ceraked. The rusting on the barrel after an overnight hunt was the first thing I noticed. Very strange. Other than that it's a pretty decent budget rifle.

[@J.sh_CDN]

Sounds like a problem with the metal itself then, no way to fix that if the metal they are using for the axis is a high rusting steel

[@timclaus8313]

I have an Axis Hardwood in 243 and a standard Axis in 308. Neither has rust problems, a smile MCarbo spring change dropped the trigger pull down to between 2.5 and 3 lbs. Both deadly accurate. My Mossberg Trophy Hunter 270 Win is also pretty darn accurate, great trigger pull.

[@neiloliver5317]

Great video! Luckily I have had better luck with the Patriot and Axis depending on ammunition. I do wish I went ahead and got the Axis II with adjustable trigger though.

[@twatmunro9563]

Man, that Sootch never met a gun (or a mirror) that he didn't absolutely LOVE.

[@jme92685]

I have a Remington 700 I bought 3 years ago from 1981. Best rifle in my safe. It’s a great gun. The best thing you can do about the shit quality these companies are putting out nowadays, is buy old. Anything pre 2000 will almost always be good to go assuming it’s been taken care of. Just carefully inspect them before you buy them.

[@thedetective8150]

You are absolutely right. I have four Remington rifles made in the 1990s and all are shooters.

[@southernfried19]

Yep. I bought my 1975 ADL in 2019. It’s practically mint too.

[@virginiascurti5036]

I was concerned for a second the Remington with the grey grips looked like my Weatherby Vanguard.

[@johnluniewski1791]

Thank you for the honest real world reviews!!

[@prometheanspark]

One of my friends had two Remington's that had chamber reaming issues, both blew out primers and destroyed the brass (primers fell out after seating) on factory ammo. Had to send them back and they were fine after that, but Remington's poor quality is putting safety at risk. My son has a Savage axis, hasn't rusted that bad, but it has two issues, one the magazine falls out sometimes when you shoot it, two about 10% of the time it doesn't strike the primer hard enough to go off. This happened to my son gunning on a bear... Followups finished the job, but damn....

[@davidturcotte5677]

Scary shit there, my man!

[@stevekynard6658]

Two things for the Savage Axis, Remoil and/or CLP. I own my 2nd one now. I keep it clean and oiled, no problems. Both in 6.5 CM and will shoot 1 hole groups @100 yds if I do my job.

[@zachb.6606]

Well said. Especially the bit on Remington.

[@user-gd7fx4jf5c]

Awesome mate, brilliant insight on the quality deficit due to companies who have made a reputation on building great rifles in the past and now choose to cut some serious corners to mass produce junk to make a massive profit 👍