Bad Characters that Won Melee Tournaments

[@turndownforwalt]

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[@eyebrowsup3958]

glad you're staying above water walt. Thumbs up+subscirbe from me

[@miguelsi7543]

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[@Turtle-p8d]

"AMSA DID IT!!!" is still my favourite commentator moment ever in melee and maybe the fgc in general, the just excitment in that moment was so great, always get chills seeing that grands set

[@turndownforwalt]

Toph and Scar are a treasure to Melee

[@sd042441]

Genuinely always gives me chills n tears in my eyes it's easily one of the best FGC calls ever imo

[@rachelivy9712]

"A YOSHI?! A YOSHI?!!"

[@Turtle-p8d]

@@turndownforwalt sometimes i miss the commentary being this good when playing tradizional fighters, i stopped playing melee years ago but i still Watch the big tournaments every time and i think its mostly thanks to the stellar commentary

[@mandalorianhunter1]

​@@turndownforwaltnot really. Toph, but Scar has his issues

[@TheVP_SSBU]

Can't wait for Ness to win a major.

[@DennisaurusRexx]

Dead ass probably Hungry's second-best character

[@DonFunFait]

ness and mewtwo both have so much potential, someone just has to pull through

[@blah.nevits]

im waiting for Link

[@TheVP_SSBU]

@@blah.nevits now that's crazy talk. How would Link ever win when the far superior Ness hasn't yet?

[@ForzasPanda]

Hungryness

[@Bludgeoned2DEATH2]

From Scar's "A Yoshi?" at Kings of Cali 4 when he beat M2K to Toph's "AMSA DID IT!" after winning TBH10, Amsa deserves his success :)

[@PlatinumComet]

0:39 >"In a lot of fighting games" >Shows Chess tier list

[@eyeguyart8685]

chess is fuckin crazy bro. watch what you say

[@psymar]

Chess is a fighting game. It's just not a single-character, real-time fighting game, rather being squad v. squad and turn-based. Although if you want to draw a line, you have to tell me which side of the line Your Only Move Is Hustle falls on; I've heard it described as "basically turn-based smash bros", although I've yet to see how it compares to the experience of playing Smash Ultimate online with Spectrum cable internet, which is *actually* turn-based smash bros.

[@turndownforwalt]

Knight to H3

[@krytzzz]

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[@andrebrandi246]

@@turndownforwalt pawn to g6

[@turndownforULT]

wow good video

[@turndownforwalt]

thanks

[@alsocrocs8156]

Oh my gosh its the pokemon guy

[@Laguzrick]

Seeing Walt support Walt is just *chef's kiss* good shit

[@DMBisAwesome]

Do I need to use the best character in order to win? Yes, yes I do. Does Amsa and Junebug? No, they do not.

[@El_Mince]

the fact that the first tournament that amsa won was maybe the hardest one ever is really funny and kind of heartwarming

[@trueblueryu5713]

Imagine Melee does eventually get ported but it’s the PAL version, and that’s how another character ends up winning a major

[@definitelydoctorproctor]

Knowing how vocal melee snobs are, they would never let a major run on pal, even if it got ported.

[@SerialBull]

They’re never using PAL pal

[@LunaticJ]

Calling it now: Big House 10 (aMSa, Yoshi), Summit 8 (Axe, Pikachu), Patchwork (Junebug, DK), Aklo’s Link beating Kodorin at Redemption Rumble maybe??

[@warrencohn123]

winner winner chicken dinner

[@ImportAustralia]

It really does make you wonder who’s next to break the glass ceiling and the old stereotype that only eight melee characters are viable. Link stonks are on the rise but I do believe in my heart of hearts with absolutely no evidence to support it that Ganon’s gonna do it one day.

[@user-it2kq4ty9q]

i also think he could. all he needs is a few hits to take a stock even in his worst matchups.

[@TheBeggies95]

They need to stop banning Ganons for that🤣🤣

[@runningmusicnerd8267]

Almost spit out my food when I saw the words 'Nice try Diddy'

[@miguelsi7543]

Big same 💀

[@Gabbycatty]

maybe 2025 is Luigi's time

[@mr._otis9840]

gotta put a new years resolution for this one

[@monsterhousecop2082]

When rapmonster finally gets his drivers license its over for everyone

[@ScrapsandSlaps]

The abate Luigi returns after 10 years

[@slades_salad]

year of the luigi 2

[@kokiproduction0731]

Would prefere do but sure

[@alicedufour9583]

hey guys it's me junebug

[@Diispaceyone]

Axe's win at summit 8 is one of my favorite melee moments ever! I still remember watching it live on twitch and being so happy for him. I felt the same way about Amsa's win at TBH; both those wins made me cry.

[@masonhutchinson4815]

Love the inclusion of music from De Blob. That soundtrack bangs

[@Chibuga]

Waiting for the day someone discovers some crazy pichu tech and wins a super major

[@classicjones1484]

Leffen gaslit the entire community into believing puff is top tier

[@TheBeggies95]

And believing Marth beats Fox

[@TheMistUser]

I think is objetively wrong to call those characters bad. Specially considering their niches, results, good qualities and that they are others characters truly bad, because they are poorly design with very exploitable weaknesses (like Kirby, Ness, Roy or Bowser)

[@turndownforwalt]

Sure I can agree with that! All of this is contextualized around the rest of the cast and relative timelines though - niches are carved out through developed play, you can’t have good results without players trying them first, good and bad qualities are not fully explored in the early stages of a competitive title, so it’s a bit of a chicken before the egg comparison. In the context of this video, it’s simply celebrating players who were able to win a tournament with a character that was initially perceived as bad, but it’s pretty much impossible to make those kinds of statements objectively (and I tried to allude to that in the quick bit about tier lists). Happy Holidays!

[@DarthShard]

Merry Christmas!! Thanks for a great year of content

[@SuperLemonfish]

To all those who play characters besides fox, (and to a lesser extent, marth, sheik, falco) thank you! You are the lifeblood of melee. You are what keeps this beautiful game alive.

[@smashbrosfiend]

i feel the same way. of course, the top tiers are hype. but, it’s way more exciting to see an underdog pull out all the stops to win with a character that isn’t traditionally seen as “good”.

[@NoobishSquirtle]

To all those that play Fox since he's cool, don't listen to weirdos just keep playing Fox

[@TheBeggies95]

Im a Marth player and i liked this🤣🤣

[@Balthazar228]

Just a matter of time before we’ll have a Kirby vs Bowser Grand Finals

[@iponce2]

4:07 the proof that competitive smash is legitimate, not that it needed much more proving, is the sheer presence of NFL style obscure weird stats that we have to take into account when talking about certain subjects lol. the longer we go, the crazier the stats get. 20xx is gonna be the year we get sht like "first time a fox player has taken a major while having used shine only 20 times across the entre tournament"

[@ghost_of_kurdt_haunts_my_room]

NEW TURNDOWNFORWALT VIDEO LESGOOOOOOO fuck yeah great vid dude!!!!!!!! keep up the good work, hope this one didn't crunch so damn bad like the last few!! you've been a huge resource for the melee community and a veritable gem in our space, and i genuinely want to take the opportunity as an early commenter to thank you for your work. the production value, the research, the presentation is consistently top-notch, and id easily place in the upper echelon of melee content creators, if not the #1 best of the bunch. you rock, dude. 🤘

[@0000-r2b]

Mario 2026, mark my words

[@TopTierTrunksTimeIsNow]

Shout out to Bum!! He's a household name in DBFZ nowadays.

[@SomniaCE]

This my favorite Pikachu drawing of all time actually

[@Philonix11]

What a great video I sure hope Hbox’s ness wins a major next

[@birb9721]

wish you a merry christmas :D thanks for the great videos this year

[@quicoboy]

...to win with the best is easy...to win with the low tier is god-like...

[@exeterd9]

uhh at the 0:23 mark is that the hotline miami secret puzzle find noise? Or am i tripping

[@wolfdragox5563]

I'm pretty sure Pikachu was never considered a "bad" character in melee

[@inconspicuousrobot2685]

Leon Massey referenced

[@turndownforwalt]

My king

[@inconspicuousrobot2685]

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[@aidendavid1123]

Can't wait for Byleth to win a melee tournament

[@prolazoi774]

You’re killing the KZbin game dude

[@KIRBY_IS_MY_LIFE]

So how much asumsaus footage did you repurpose with his permissionbfor the aMSa bit

[@kleincomplex]

The jet set radio music and sfx are so good ❤❤❤❤❤

[@psymar]

I feel like an honorable mention needs to be given here to Jigglypuff. Puff wasn't in the top 6 of any* tier list, and outside the top 10 as often as not, until Hungrybox won GENESIS in 2009. Not as fringe a character as Yoshi pre-Amsa or DK pre-Junebug, but definitely a character who got singlehandedly moved up the tier list. *Puff was 2nd on the original April 2004 tier list later revealed to be an April Fools' joke. But post-hungrybox Puff is 3rd on *real* tier lists.

[@neeko_las]

mango won the first genesis, not hungrybox

[@Akoustikus]

​@@neeko_lasand Pound 3 in 2008

[@neeko_las]

@@Akoustikus yup, mango had been at the top with puff for a while before hungrybox really even entered the picture

[@definitelydoctorproctor]

Pika sticking out like a sore thumb

[@2468droba]

Thanks for great videos, keep up the great work

[@serenachase3704]

Hey Donkey Kong it's me guys

[@saf_Safira]

These videos make me cry

[@solaurelian7638]

Walt do you have a license for those guns?

[@PhantomAarantula]

Much love for the way you pronounce "Pokémon".

[@vvuukk4]

All of these bad character winning majors and my boy Luigi still left in the dust😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@codenamepyro2350]

clip at 14:11 was godlike

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

How did you find it 1 minute after the video came out lol

[@codenamepyro2350]

@@DubYuhGChoppa speed.

[@feelsokayman5656]

Great job as always DewGOAlT

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

I'm excited to see the Game and Watch revolution

[@TheDrinkingFood]

NOT THE CLIP AGAIN NOOO

[@jaketicknerfan]

omg wallllllt im ssoo drunk 😭😭😭

[@PlayMadness]

Mark my words: Link is next

[@aerozchris7635]

Melee is sick 🤘

[@cjkmelee]

Zelda being slept on

[@_g00mba]

Walt just redoing videos at this point

[@swaglordtm9229]

I wish nihilus was still around

[@wawiator]

Do you think you will be making a video on Platfight?

[@arabmunny]

sponsor deadline explains the why stages are banned video lol

[@ziwuri]

waltuh when mid tiers

[@twiklexic]

Aklo solo link run up next

[@DJCosmas]

Is it just me or does Axe look kinda like Mike Shinoda?

[@Auddy07]

Gotta get some JSRF music in the bg, not just JSR boi

[@arm_and_toe]

Anyone know when the chess balance patch was? I needa know for research :)

[@sataandagifr]

damn zelda players are gonna go on fire after this one!! 🔥🗣

[@shiruotakuno28]

Mid-tier does not mean bad.

[@lucastesting9612]

thanks walt

[@TheBeggies95]

Where is Marth?

[@rug052]

Games?

[@Sitris-h7q]

Pikachu and Yoshi aren't bad.

[@Vixigard]

When whill yung LONK win a major

[@Tyrese_is_him]

This is what makes me want to play melee 14:11

[@TheStickCollector]

Interesting thumbnail.

[@pashamarki1370]

"One of the only Yoshis out there who could do it" Which other Yoshis have won a super major? Amsa is the only one who can do it.

[@Drakethatsme]

But Quang won BODIED 7...

[@Cainb23]

booo were hoping i was gonna be surprised by these. i see kong being here but i let out and audible sigh and eye roll when i saw the silhoutte of pika and yoshi lmao

[@_2socks]

Bro please we are tired of donkey Kong

[@2Falchion]

Hey Junebug it’s me guys

[@GreatHomsGlory]

I know Samus can do it

[@Jackaroo.]

DK DONKEY KONG

[@Mikisoq39]

Kirby dreamer

[@TwinGrimm]

113th

[@VGEmblem]

3.3k views in an hour bro fell on

[@tophu_bbx9354]

5 views is diabolical

[@sabredark5415]

Calling these characters bad is a stretch, there are far worse

[@Creamith]

W vid

[@scatmanfan2]

man ive been subscribed for a long time but im getting kinda tired of seeing things lifted straight out of asumsaus and melee moments videos without credit. i have to imagine that theres something i dont know here because theres no way those guys dont know their content is ending up here so i dont wanna cast aspersions but it just feels weird

[@turndownforwalt]

The honest answer is that’s just fair use, but I normally bake in credits to other video sources which you can see in some of my other videos. I had left for vacation last week and only had about one work day to edit this video from zero, so I just didn’t have time to bake in annotations and planned to list sources while I had downtime. My fault on that, but please don’t assume there’s something malicious - both of those creators are actually my friends haha. Happy Holidays!

[@kirbmon64-mj5pl]

5 views in 25s. Bro has fallen off

[@Vixigard]

0 views after 6 months, nah you fell off

[@lotgxj9]

😊

[@captainpuff1238]

25 views after a minute bro fell off