Bad Positions, Good Submissions | Icy Mike Guest Appearance

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Icy Mike from ‪@hard2hurt‬ channel here on KZbin, sucks at Jiu-Jitsu (his words, not mine), which led to a discussion of what submissions exist from bad positions, particularly bottom side control. I just so happen to have several of those, so I was happy to show him some in this video. Hope these are helpful, or at least the video is entertaining.
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[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Be sure to check out Mike’s and my video on his channel next! kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6itZ6KkebOkgac

[@emissaryofelohim1431]

Good stuff fellas. Cheers! #SideControlSucks

[@jedijudoka]

“You’re twerkin’, so that’s weird.”

[@j.m.8193]

This was the best line of the whole video. I was thinking, "What the hell is that guy doing?" Right before he said it.

[@theyoungfool.1895]

“You don’t have to caress me”

[@gw1357]

Speaking as a striker, Eli is right. If a boxing match -- with all its artificial rules and protections -- qualifies as a fight, then so does a jiu jitsu match -- even with all its artificial roles and protections. Eli -- I really dig your stuff. All us strikers would really appreciate it if you would do a video on all the submissions that have entries from a standing position. A few times in free sparring I've been able to go from my blend of JKD/Wing Chun/boxing into a standing guillotine, triangle, darce, kimura, and standing RNC and its a really satisfying way to finish an engagement. I'd love to be able to do it a little more scientifically. Thanks. Please keep making the great stuff.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Excellent idea for a video and I really appreciate every part of this comment.

[@simmme]

I would like to see that!

[@mspilot8283]

I firmly believe BJJ matches are fights. If there is no tap then an arm, knee, ankle, wrist or shoulder would snap. The person would pass out from the choke. Completely making the person unable to fight back effectively. It’s using leverage instead of blunt force trauma

[@PaladinJackal]

Totally agree. Saying BJJ matches aren't fights at all just because your not getting hit is dumb. My Dad coached one of his BJJ students in a MMA fight where without getting hit he shot in took the guy down and subbed him. No strikes from either one of them. Was that MMA match not a fight because no one got hit? Just something I think about when people say BJJ isn't at all fighting.

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

what fight have you ever seen where someone butt scoots up to his opponent

[@BobBob-il2ku]

BJJ is a match because the likely hood of getting seriously hurt is much lower than a boxing fight.

[@SaftonYT]

@@BobBob-il2ku Is that the only metric? To play devil's advocate, in that case it's less of a fight if two defensively sound guys are fighting each other under the same ruleset as two guys who just want to swang and bang. Or if you just happen to have a terrible ref in an MMA fight is just magically becomes more of a ref because the chance of injury has arbitrarily shot up.

[@hedgehogbjj]

I love it that Icy mike becomes Salty Mike when jiu jitsu is the subject 😂

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

We call that version of him “Spicy Mike” 🤣

[@Flizbap]

The Martial arts was just a pretense for Eli and Mike roasting each other for 10 minutes.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Haha, accurate

[@lwclark]

My favorite hard to hurt video so far!

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

😂 🙌🙌

[@FijiboyRge]

when mike brought up peddling a bike I died😂

[@richr108]

All I have to say is Eli is a master at explaining whatever it is he’s doing. Thank you for that

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I really appreciate that

[@pyroseed13]

"Comment whether you think he's totally wrong or just full of shit" I see what Icy Mike did there lol

[@alanarnaud325]

Mike’s comedic touch to this video made it 5x better 😂

[@crossfitbilly]

This video is a cool intersection. I watch both of these guys. I would like to see more of content like this. Turn it around and show some gun defense and jiu jitsu. I would like to hear that interaction.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Would love to see a further breakdown of why Jiu Jitsu are either matches or fights or even have a discussion with you on this. Seems to be a hot topic these days

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Definitely one we should have gone into further in that discussion. Good future idea

[@BobBob-il2ku]

BJJ is a match because the likely hood of getting seriously hurt is much lower than a boxing fight.

[@staysafemartialarts]

@@KnightJiuJitsu id be game to discuss in the future

[@hijituso]

@@BobBob-il2ku not exactly in my opinion you can be hurt really bad in multiple ways in BJJ you can hurt your arm,shoulders, ribs, back, or long recovery from knee surgeries and the worst very rare cases you can dislocate your spine and get paralyzed most likely by accident,, the difference is bjj is a martial art also not just an sport like boxing, the respect that if you tap your opponent let go so you can keep training and competing there’s not blows to the head except slaps in combat jj but in boxing is 12 rounds with lots of blows to the head that can cause long term brain damage and concussion over concussion if you get up before the 10 count and get KTFO that’s brutal. But if you life depends on it Jiu jitsu is obviously a fight you can kill someone with a choke or break his bones. As a sport it can be called a match or fight whatever you like better.

[@RafaelAlx79]

I never ever imagined you and Mike "bjj match is not a fight" in the same video! Lol!

[@anastasiospatsatzakis4886]

That counter attack from side control is awesome Thanx

[@BeReadySelfDefense]

I was expecting maybe a buggy choke and then instead Eli blows my mind with like 3 subs I've never seen.

[@vyndaio]

Those anti-side control submissions look really effective, can't wait to try these out tomorrow! Thanks, professor.

[@SCtrojan2k]

Awesome video as always! Such great instruction. Mike is hilarious 😂.

[@jamielondon6436]

"This outro is like my side control", burns even harder, because Icy Mike is the king of outros, of course. ;-)

[@Jedi_Jed]

I totally agreed with Eli. Disallowing kicks is the same as disallowing all strikes. Even MMA looks a bit different with soccer kicks to the head.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

When Mike started petting you I died 🤣

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MP-db9sw]

Ive gone back and forth about the fight/not a fight thing with grappling. People will snap your shit if you don't tap and some will snap your shit even if you do. The training, knowledge, and dedication of top level grapplers is just as intense as top level strikers. I still dont know if I consider BJJ matches as fights but I acknowledge the points of the argument.

[@marka.arcenas5211]

Hello Mr. Knight I've told you my 6 year old nephew is taking Brazilian jiu-jitsu for 6 months now. And he went to his first tournament he came in 3rd place in his class. The little kid who came first place was a girl.. his a natural Mr. Knight I let him watch your videos he likes your channel. Thank you Mr. Knight and Mr. Ice I let me nephew watch hard to hurt videos too and knights channel. So his learning.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

That’s awesome to hear! Congratulations to him and I hope he is still loving training and sticks with it!

[@tucsonnative8575]

Eli you just cracked me up with "Just sleep on it".

[@Melsedey855]

Thank you Knight Jujitsu! Having injuries lately i can't attend classes but I've been saving myself with your videos and still learning something! Sometimes I still go to class even with my injuries and I obviously end up in bad positions often when I roll. I find these videos on attacks from bad positions really helpful right now!

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I appreciate that. I hope you heal up soon!

[@Melsedey855]

@@KnightJiuJitsu Thank you! Appreciate it oss!🥋

[@hard2hurt]

All i learned is that side control is not a good position.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

That’s the main takeaway here.

[@jedijudoka]

That and your neck is far too muscular

[@gwc6953]

How flexible are you maybe you'd like the buggy choke it'll definitely get you some extra style points

[@Amajor10]

And bring a baseball bat to jujitsu.

[@Lolo-mc8xc]

The BEST crossover possible!

[@ReWildUniversity]

Eli, all the great techniques aside, the way you roll with Mike's fun ribbing is jiu jitsu at its best -- not getting worked up, smoothly redirecting forces . . . shows that this martial art is more than just physical motions to you -- it's integrated into your very being. Well done!

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I really appreciate you saying that. Truly.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

But also, Mike is a great dude. He just gets excitable so I get him 🤣

[@ReWildUniversity]

@@KnightJiuJitsu Absolutely. I learn tons from both of you. I just extra appreciate your ability to be so calm and collected. AND, I must say, pretty amazing that you have a channel this size and still take the time to connect personally with your audience through the comments. Rare and appreciated.

[@tommygunn3210]

Like wrestling, it's referred to as a "match" however, since striking is half of mma as is the ground game.... then yeah, makes sense that if you're going to call one "fighting ", then so is the other component

[@mannys.offbeat2432]

dude, love you dudes, got to learn some cool stuff that ill never practice cause life is hard, but at least, ill be a bit more hard2hurt

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Thanks man! I appreciate the kind words

[@ejeverett4322]

To be fair I’ve never considered Boxing matches or Jiu Jitsu matches as fights. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Just MMA. But we must also consider my opinion has 0 weight so….. 😅. Great video Eli keep it up

[@MP-db9sw]

Thank You! Im adding this to my Random JiuJitsu playlist.

[@ΓΙΩΡΓΟΣΠΑΠΑΔΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-ν9π]

Great video as always 👍. Thanks

[@cunn1n6ham]

These guys are knowledgeable and entertaining….regular TV is dead

[@curtisw6303]

I totally agree that if a boxing match is a fight, a sub-only match is a fight. Both are combat orientated competitions that ignore/ban certain techniques. In boxing, you can only strike above the waist and if somebody falls to a knee the action is paused. They are not punished for going to an inferior position. In jiu-jitsu, I can tackle you and attempt to rip your ligaments/break your bones in order to get you to quit. However, if I strike you, I get disqualified.. It'd be interesting if you put out a full video on the topic. It'll definitely get engagement with everybody brawling in the comments. :P

[@ndnboy1734]

Such a great video!!!

[@willm7994]

Got mad love for Eli hope to train under him one day

[@gwc6953]

Buggy from bottom side is literally the first submissions I'm able to reliable threaten as a no stripe white belt I need to get better at simply holding the submission pressure for longer

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

I finally got side control on this guy and then he hit this on me. We sat there for like an hour, meanwhile I'm framing on his neck and both of us are just uncomfortable and finally change positions and just lay down exhausted lmao

[@gwc6953]

@@MyCommentsRMaturelol I love it sounds like a great time, tip for getting out of it drive your head to the ceiling and it should relieve a lot of the pressure unless it's way too tight but then that also leaves you open for another kind of choke from that rubber guard position I don't know the name tho

[@gwc6953]

@@MyCommentsRMaturelol hit them with the double buggy if your stretchy I've had it done on me it was beautiful

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

@@gwc6953 niiice thank you. I had no idea what to do but didnt wanna lose the position just like he said lolol

[@EnsoGhisonisuccessgateway]

Great info

[@luizantonio0808]

This was a lot more fun than I expected

[@akschu1]

Eli, please do more on this. More instructional, less distracting.

[@zacharywong483]

Awesome video!

[@robhay3438]

This is the buddy cop movie everyone wants.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I’d definitely be Starsky

[@austinharris5346]

Most painful submission in all of BJJ is shouting at a dude across the room while you're in side control with your mouth right next to a dude's ear lol.

[@AK_UK_]

I sense simmering tensions lol made the video funny

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

I feel like everyone talking to icy mike has this extreme underlying annoyance but they like dont hate him. Maybe that's just me lol. I prefer instructional to entertainment vids

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

It’s all in fun. Mike is genuinely an awesome guy, and we are good friends. It’s just fun to play the dynamic up for the video.

[@77stephani77]

Love it, so funny but informative…ha ha…side control is not real ha ha…😉, love knight jiu jitsu so helpful, I mean I can’t seem to execute anything yet but getting there. 👍🤓💕 thx

[@Melsedey855]

It doesn't have to be necessarily striking to be a fight! Jujitsu IS fighting too!

[@mollymcgill9904]

eli is just amazing.fucking bjj wizard

[@LorenzoCalgaryRealtor]

This was informative and entertaining

[@CarMad97ci]

Boxing match vs bjj match, great analogy. And yeah, neither is a fight 😂😂

[@tropical-thunder]

new fan because of this video

[@Omidion]

I follow both of yours channels for some time (admittedly i watch yours more since i train BJJ) and i'm glad to see a co-lab, but Eli did seem pissed and to be honest from seeing Mikes videos...he has that effect and he hijacks other peoples videos all the time. Good job on enduring him :)

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Haha, not at all. It was honestly friendly banter and I love Mike to death. He’s genuinely a great dude.

[@ArmchairViolence]

I would argue that BJJ matches are not fights. If I give my BJJ opponent bruises, concussions, and broken bones, I get banned from competition. If I give my boxing opponent bruises, concussions, and broken bones, I get congratulated. In fights, inflicting acute damage is how you win. The competitors set out to hurt each other. In matches, they don't. For example: Point karate has matches, Karate Combat has fights.

[@jacket2848]

How is potentially choking somebody to death not a fight?

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

There are way more rules in boxing matches than Jiu-Jitsu matches. It is legal to break bones in Jiu-Jitsu matches. It’s also legal to choke someone. Both are restricted, rule-based fighting competitions…it’s just that you’re allowed to do way more in Jiu-Jitsu than in boxing.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@jacket2848 Because you're not allowed to intentionally choke them to death.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@KnightJiuJitsu While you are technically allowed to break bones if your opponent refuses to tap, your goal isn't actually to break their bones, and it's very rare that that happens. You're *technically* allowed to break people's bones in a lot of sports. You can break someone's bones in football by tackling them. I've seen people break their arms while arm wrestling. But neither of those are fights. Because the injuries are uncommon and are not the objective. Neither side wants injuries to happen. Boxers want injuries to happen and intentionally make them happen. BJJ practitioners don't want injuries, they want a tap. I don't think we can judge it by the number of rules. Arm wrestling has a lot less rules than BJJ, but that's certainly not a fight. I think it's much more about the quality of the rules. I'd much rather get tapped out than punched in the face.

[@ArmchairViolence]

@@KnightJiuJitsu I think intention is the big difference. I was at an IKF muay thai/kickboxing points tournament yesterday, where you could be disqualified for knocking your opponent out or hitting too hard. That wasn't a fight either. If tapping didn't exist, I think BJJ would count as a fight.

[@vincechanhealthy6373]

"it's not going to happen"! LOL

[@mellonhead9568]

jiu jitsu is amazing frick i wanna be this good someday

[@tigon8224]

First person I ever put to sleep happend with a baseball bat choke from bottom side control during competition

[@walkerezzy4621]

"no that's creepy" lmfaoooo

[@WreckRod]

LOL “and that’s how I passed him in subscribers” 😂

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

i almost wanna give this a thumb down, just coz mike. but i didn't. because eli

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Nice. It’s about balance 🤣

[@katokianimation]

Based on their dimensions at least we have more amount of Eli than mike

[@ibrahimrahmani6754]

This guy is hilarious 🤣😂

[@99redrain]

Great video 🔥

[@wingoreviewsboxingandmma3667]

At around 5 minutes in just thinking "Cradle" lol

[@roelhoremans5887]

Real top content here. 👌

[@leowangmmaclub9311]

IS first Jiu Jitsu🥋💪🏻

[@MegaTpowers]

Can we get another version of this without you being constantly interrupted?

[@Soraakids]

"This outro is like my side control" drop the mic

[@prabhakaransundharaj1571]

Plz teach how to escape fixed guard guillotine

[@TheUncleRuckus]

Icy Mikes Twerk guard position 😂 Liked & Subbed 👍👍

[@davidmills5286]

this outro is like my side control LOL

[@gradybaka4946]

I wonder what Mike hates more, bjj or side kicks.

[@fabianpeace6356]

to funny love it

[@Zhcwu]

if someone taps you out from bottom with a baseball choke, you suck at jiujitsu, it is so easy to get out of with one well placed forearm frame and you have gravity on your side.

[@fabianpeace6356]

more mick

[@mofo4193]

hahaha "If you had a gi it would be even better". No, we are not doing that!

[@jitsapprentice4034]

Jiu Jitsu matches are most definitely “fights.”

[@mattschillaci2921]

I don't think BJJ matches are fights and I'm a BJJ guy. In a fight you're going in with the mentality of causing damage to your opponent until you win. In a BJJ match you're playing a game with your opponent to get them into a submission that has the threat of causing damage. That doesn't make BJJ any less of a combat sport but it does make hobbiests like myself much more willing to compete.

[@mynameismynameis666]

the difference betweeen jiujitsu and boxing is the same as the difference between prancing and cuddling

[@AF-rs2hu]

Is a thumb war a fight too? 🧐

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

The most lethal of fights.

[@BobBob-il2ku]

No buggy choke?

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I suck at Buggy chokes, so I tend not to show them. Great technique, just not for me.

[@jezwarren-clarke2471]

So bjj doesn’t work because bjj works?

[@ChokeArtist411]

Jiu jitsu matches are fights

[@zodiac154]

how is my side control? you're twerking so that's weird. omg lol

[@sargeantsaxophone9396]

"ImInThEsUrpEriorPoSiTiOn 🤓"

[@schitz-poppinov8657]

no buggy!? 😧

[@MojoGojo96]

MMA Bill Burr?

[@pinkydavis6113]

I would call an MMA contest an empty hand "fight" but Boxing or BJJ contests really aren't fights because of the rules that limit the terms.

[@katokianimation]

So fist fighting is not fighting... you just said it

[@pinkydavis6113]

@@katokianimation I know what I said. Maybe you should learn how to spell, punctuate, and capitalize so your comments are readable. That said, Boxing or "fist fighting" is more of a contest of punching, versus an unrestricted fight. The original UFC was a much truer representation of a real empty hand fight.

[@katokianimation]

@@pinkydavis6113 or maybe you are just dumb and can't read

[@jiujitsujunkee]

If a boxing match is a fight, then jiu jitsu matches are a fight. But, boxing isn't a fight, so... and I'm a jiu jitsu nerd

[@dsoymz5891]

is it just me or do these two not like eachother

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

It’s just fun for the camera. Mike and I are good friends.

[@prabhakaransundharaj1571]

Eli is my favorite bjj teacher from India ,I am first comment

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

♥️♥️♥️

[@prabhakaransundharaj1571]

@@KnightJiuJitsu ❣️❣️thx master

[@sergiovaldez3275]

👏👏

[@thepunishersequence291]

ohmygah

[@worldends2]

I can’t deal with loud people. Had to turn down the volume to learn something.

[@010EE]

Dude kept cutting off Eli. So annoying

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

Yeahhh

[@adilbekramadan2038]

🖒👍👍👌

[@geekdiggy]

why does this guy yell to another guy 2 feet away from him

[@watchdog117]

You could tell mike was getting on eli's nerves with all the side commentary and interruptions

[@bjornnilsson1827]

It's so obvious from this video that Icy Mike is clearly a KZbin black belt, and Eli is just not.

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

boxing matches look like fights, there is no way to win without violently damaging your opponent. I can win a BJJ match with just positioning and a submission which is pain compliance. The opponent has to agree to quit. In boxing i dont need your compliance to knock you out and hurt you.

[@kingtexan6621]

First

[@Odie1800]

That Mike is annoying asf