Ban me, Twitch! - WAN Show June 9, 2023

[@NoKi1119]

Luke lost a lot of weight the last week - he's even thinner than cardboard! -Timestamps- [0:00] *Chapters.* [2:01] *Intro.* [2:28] *Topic #1: Twitch's updated TOS.* > 3:21 Branded content policy, Linus recalls KZbin's changes. > 7:05 Simulcasting policy extended, Twitch's history. > 10:49 "Consistent with other services," backlash & Twitch's response. > 11:52 Discussing Kick, platforms throwing away their goodwill. > 16:45 Twitch's partnership fee for leaving, LTT will simulcast. > 18:52 LTT's meager revenue earnings on Twitch. > 20:59 Google signs out Linus out. [21:16] *Topic #2: Apple's Proton-like tool runs Windows games on Mac.* > 22:30 Github's statement, Luke thought this was a joke. > 23:45 Linus on M1 Ultra gaming, "this is for developers." > 25:01 Linus & Luke recall issues with running games on Linux. > 26:47 How involved would Apple be? Discussing contribution. > 30:47 "Devs can run unmodified games on Mac," what motivates Apple? > 34:26 Linus's response, porting games. [37:51] *LTTStore's new button-up shirt.* > 39:49 Last chance to grab Labs #FIRST merch. > 40:16 LTTStore weekly deal. [40:30] *Merch Messages #1.* > 40:34 What's happening with Intel's workstation CPUs? > 41:46 Thoughts on Jim Keller's RISC-V? > 45:58 Do you think Apple can compete with Valve's Proton? > 46:40 Advice on securing long-term IT jobs? ft. Luke's history, movies. [1:04:42] *Topic #3: Jake Simmen's review on LTT stick locks.* [1:06:25] *Topic #4: Louisiana's age verification law.* > 1:08:26 "This makes internet unsafe," what is PH right about? > 1:12:54 Luke's alternative solutions, Linus on regulations. > 1:16:35 What Linus does/doesn't agree with PH. [1:24:13] *Topic #5: Subreddits protest Reddit's API costs.* > 1:25:09 Reddit's exception to accessibility focused apps. > 1:25:30 Apollo, Sync & RIF to shut down, Reddit laying off 5%. > 1:25:50 Linus mentions Christian's Reddit post. > 1:27:58 Moderation tools rely on API, Reddit's statement. > 1:28:40 CEO's post on Christian & phone tapes. > 1:31:16 The instability of internet services. > 1:35:24 LMG's past, Linus on inheritance tax. > 1:37:24 Reddit's stock evaluation dropped by 40%. > 1:42:50 Reddit's terrible self-hosted images & videos. [1:44:52] *Sponsors ft. In-The-Zone-Dan, Dennis Spots.* > 1:45:11 Zoho One. > 1:46:15 MSI. > 1:47:06 Corsair. [1:48:14] *Merch Messages #2.* > 1:48:37 Any progress on the Labs website? ft. Linus leaking. > 1:55:46 Products in development hell you want to come out? > 1:58:16 Did you do anything crazy to test LTT products? > 2:00:58 Why are USB 20GBPS & DP 2 missing? > 2:03:34 News for virtual LTX for FloatPlane? [2:06:52] *Topic #6: Logitech retires Blue & Astro ft. LukeCam.* [2:14:50] *Topic #7: LTT is in Bluesky...?* [2:17:16] *Topic #8: Apple's Vision Pro.* > 2:18:14 Pricing, specs, audio raytracing. > 2:19:55 On-board M2 & M1 chips, mixed reviews. > 2:21:26 Linus & Luke discuss the specs & power. > 2:25:51 Enterprise V.S. consumer pricing, mentioning HoloLens. > 2:27:24 Linus recalls VUZIX's glasses. > 2:28:32 Voice control, Linus doesn't get the sales pitch. > 2:30:33 Linus discusses web surfing, Luke on Index 2. > 2:33:00 Linus & Luke on the use cases of the Vision Pro. > 2:38:09 Apple might not know what the Vision Pro is. > 2:41:11 Linus's house pool update. [2:41:57] *Topic #9: Linus Sebastian, CVO of LMG, "died."* > 2:42:34 Dan proves Linus passed away. [2:42:49] *Merch Messages #3 ft. WAN Show After Dark.* > 2:44:47 Will you change what you make with the new CEO? > 2:59:05 What would get you to upgrade from Z Fold 3? > 3:00:10 What piece of merch inspired you to make LTTStore? > 3:00:44 Any upcoming Lab tests you are excited to get running? > 3:01:30 Is AI far enough to help me raise children? > 3:02:31 Good graphics cards with bad drivers in the past? > 3:03:22 Is info gatekeeping a problem at LMG's scale? > 3:04:52 Advice for struggling with growing up? > 3:05:52 What was your first experience hacking? > 3:08:17 Anything that you're excited about on LTX? > 3:10:10 Would LTT lose money if all got the largest size deskpad? > 3:12:45 Luke's beard care. > 3:13:31 KZbin pushes smaller channels to buy ads. > 3:16:54 Backpack zippers replacement table on LTX? > 3:18:25 How do you all keep yourself grounded? > 3:20:18 Should job seekers question the morality of working for big tech? > 3:24:11 Frore Systems's AirJet on Framework? > 3:24:47 "Dan, if you curated this, I'll buy more stuff!" > 3:25:00 Is FP profitable enough to get exclusive content? > 3:26:51 What's your advice for building a portfolio & skill sets? > 3:28:36 Annual payment option for FP Grandfather tier? > 3:29:04 What's the best tech flex you've ever had? > 3:32:28 Anyone in the staff that changed your mindset? > 3:33:30 How can you get LAN parties to play together? > 3:34:28 Was Linus ever invited into Hot Ones? > 3:36:10 Any plans to release short length PJ pants? > 3:36:46 If someone at LMG had a channel blow up, would they partner with LMG, or leave? > 3:39:33 Has Sony responded to LTT's video? any company reacting negatively? > 3:41:37 Favorite movie or TV show to watch after a media set up? > 3:44:19 Do you plan on doing a SC on ROG Ally for an SSD upgrade? > 3:44:58 Is LTT still working on the Deck carrying case? > 3:45:15 Gigabyte graphics cards cracking. [3:45:36] *Outro.*

[@tevinabeysekera6038]

Thanks! I was going to wait until tomorrow to watch 😂

[@waldamy]

Horaaaay, thank you so much for your hard work

[@AMalas]

Woooo timestamps lets gooooooo

[@Dr_Nick_]

You're my hero.

[@julfy_god]

Finally! Thanks, you are awesome

[@markfen88]

Timestamp guy, I need you

[@FaZekiller-qe3uf]

It's been minutes, just wait.

[@2nd-place]

@@FaZekiller-qe3uf BUT THAT’S TOO LONG I HAVE THINGS TO DO I NEED THE JUICY QUICKBITS IN MY MOUTH

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@FaZekiller-qe3uf 20 minutes

[@marhier]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j 21 minutes

[@XCETSukin]

30 mins

[@profosist]

Luke's fake arms are hilarious when Linus is thoroughly explaining or even ranting about things

[@PrograError]

that "whatever" feels

[@TheRogueWolf]

"...yeah, I dunno what he's on about."

[@profosist]

@@TheRogueWolf exactly!

[@EpicWolverine]

The whole time just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@josephcole6518]

I’m sorry y’all had a rough week, but I’ll tell you that you make my week so much better by doing these. Making it to the end and hearing “BYE” from Luke is definitely a needed constant. Appreciate y’all.

[@hubster6381]

LTX team, while I can't attend myself as someone who follows his channel I can't recommend strongly enough getting Dave Plummer a retired software engineer from Microsoft who created Task Manager as a hobby that got added into the product code. He also did the port of Space cadet pinball to Windows which I believe you have as a segment for LTX. He created zip folders in Windows 95, and finally he is originally from Canada! His channel is called Daves Garage and his content is super engaging.

[@rollingfinn2044]

Also dont forget twitch went from 70/30 to 50/50 payout for their streamers. They made the argument that streamers would make their money from sponsors isntead of exclusively through twitch. I genuinely believe twitch is going through a slow self sabatoge and id be curious what platform amazon is pumping money into while twitch self destructs.

[@CreativityNull]

I think it's more likely with the global economic situation that higher ups inside of Amazon are requiring Twitch to bring higher amounts of revenue and twitch doesn't know how to do that besides trying to incentivize advertisers to use them directly rather than sponsor streamers to bypass twitch, and also by increasing their cut from streamers. We're seeing changes like this on other sites like KZbin (increasing ad numbers, working directly against adblockers, etc...) and many others. It's not a good thing, but a lot of these platforms weren't sustainable in their model anyways and the venture capital funding is drying up, so now they're finally trying to be sustainable, but it means things are going to change and these unsustainable companies are going to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks, not caring about who they screw over along the way.

[@mirkopassoli9418]

1:18:27 biometric verification, in Android at least, doesn't give to apps fingerprint data, it only tells "the system has verified the user". This means that could be possible to have the system hold the information "you're 18 years old" tied to a specific fingerprint saved on the device, and have the system tell to some app "the user is verified and is x years old". Totally feasible without any online db

[@SteltekOne]

How does registration for that work? It needs to reference something to verify your age on registration...

[@sharpless]

Some kind of digital id system would be preferable, I think. I would prefer it had different levels of verification, so for age restricted content it would just say this person is of age, but nothing more, but if used for logging in to your bank would say this is the correct person. Of course, all ids can be stolen or hijacked, but not all sites or services need to know everything about you

[@mirkopassoli9418]

@@SteltekOne Idk, maybe you can have some government app vefiried by Google/Apple that can provide those info. This app scans your gov id and tells to the os the age, sex and whatever. For example here in Italy we have the CIE, an gov id card that has an NFC tag protected with a PIN and a PUK. You can use it to log into gov apps. The gov app would need only to tell some data to the OS and the OS need to save it in memory. It's 2023, this is totally feasible. EDIT: and the government couldn't see for what the user uses these infos. Obviously the gov app would share only some info, not all your gov data...

[@mirkopassoli9418]

@@sharpless Yes, I imagine a system popup that says "this app want to know you're age, give access / deny". The "bind the age (or any info) to a fingerprint" is so that the system can distinguish between a dad and his child, so if the child uses the phone the reported age would be 10, idk. Then you can implement all levels of strictness to this, as the os tell the app the minimum amount of info and always have the user select the level of granularity of the data to share

[@benketteridge9150]

But that requires the remote site to trust the client system to tell the truth. First rule of internet programming .. don't trust any data from the client.

[@MazeMouse]

Twitch is trying to find out if they really are "too big to fail" with the stunts they are pulling.

[@faustinpippin9208]

i wish it did fail, the amount of ''cult communities'' worshipping medicore people and how they behave is disturbing

[@LaughingOrange]

@@tazdingo5297 On paper, yes, but they never act on it so it's effectively not real.

[@LaughingOrange]

@@tazdingo5297 The difference is people don't trust Twitch due to their recent actions. KZbin added those policies long ago, and people have forgotten if they ever even knew.

[@JoenHarlver]

@@LaughingOrange if u a member from yt since the start i bet u wouldnt trust youtube aswell, they pulled some insane stuff aswell (alot even hidden for the viewer, unless u look it up) - twitch is very harmless in that case

[@billyhatcher643]

twitch should let us have sponsors no matter what or else we leave the platform

[@SevenGC89]

I'm impressed... Linus is so committed to not breaking the streak that he crawled out of the grave to not break the streak lol

[@almeidaariel9]

Sponsored by DBrand lol

[@SevenGC89]

@@almeidaariel9 😂😂😂

[@baoanprounited]

LL LL l😢😢l😢😢

[@baoanprounited]

LL LL l😢😢l😢😢😮

[@humaj19]

@@almeidaariel9 Nah, the funeral and coffin were sponsored by DBrand - crawling out of a grave is sponsored by Axe body wash. "HoW dIrTy BoYs GeT cLeAn!"

[@Reginaldborington]

i've just noticed the WAN show banner moves very slowly up and down over a minute or two, assume this is maybe to prevent screen burn on local displays in the office? It's so slow you don't see it happening

[@SteltekOne]

Groups will always form at LANparties. One thing we once did was to randomise the seating plan, so rather than being able to reserve a seat, and thus sit in a pre-made group, we forced everyone to be randomly allocated in blocks of 2. (Blocks of 2 so that you could at least have one known person/friend next to you for comfort, while your other neighbour would be a stranger.) Despite some grumbling ahead of the event, our guests went along with the concept and "Fragcity 18 - The Quest For The Lost Seatplan" turned out great!

[@POVwithRC]

Why would you go about fucking with people wanting to be with their pals. What are you, a prick or something? I guess if you only did it once you learnt your lesson lol.

[@ivanjelenic5627]

​@@devilselbow you're not very bright, are you?

[@ragefacememeaholic5366]

@@devilselbow If you were to go to a lan party, you would be the very person you don't want to sit next to.

[@Bomkz]

@@ragefacememeaholic5366 I second your statement.

[@nedimmutapcija9186]

I love Luke's hand gesture it fits perfectly in so many cases. It's so funny

[@puttitat2851]

Linus: "I don't want to be involved in processes" Also Linus: "Weird that he didn't run that by me"

[@the_blitz]

100

[@meeeaCH9612]

Not even death can stop Linus, from running the WAN Show.

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

What were they using for Luke's stream/audio? The delay was terrible, why didn't they just use discord or something where there is zero delay

[@daylen577]

@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 Discord isn't zero delay lmao

[@caam0000]

​@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 i don't know if you have ever heard about the internet, but it is essentially a lot of cable buried in the ground. It makes you able to send data to a different place in the world. Unfortunately we can't all have our own cable to every place in the world. Therefore you have to encode the video and audio before sending, which takes time even though you are using discord. Do this two times, and it's quite impressive that it can be done in under one second.

[@bluein_]

@@pcmasterracetechgod5660 name does NOT check out.

[@RomainQ]

That comma is killing me. Why ???

[@DieMeneer]

Linus just casually posting enough of the Labs dev link so that you can actually go and search for it and Luke losing his mind is so brilliant. The Labs site looks sleek af!!

[@shreyam1008]

whats the link?

[@AndreiTache]

@Shreyam Adhikari labs-web-bay DOT vercel DOT app

[@known1443]

​@@jfolz while you could bother hosting it internally and rely on VPN for work, or restrict access via IP, it probably isn't something that they care much about. Often even large companies will have non-prod versions of their sites externally exposed anyway to allow easier device or third party development/testing.

[@aldeed]

time stamp for this moment?

[@ivanjelenic5627]

​@@aldeed a bit after 1:50:00 if i remember correctly

[@danial1635]

Whoever advises LTT to drop the forums has no idea how important knowledge sharing and discussion forums are, especially for technical topics or anything else with a passionate user-base. I am so glad LTT still has the forums and hope they will be with us for a long long time.

[@aDifferentJT]

I think the marketing is really for the Vision Air, not the Vision Pro. They just need to get the developers on board first.

[@liaminwales]

When Valve did the mac push I got a free copy of Portal, they did a bunch of blog posts on optimising OpenGL on mac and finding bugs. Over time the posts changed to more pessimistic as apple refused to update OpenGL to fix bugs, Valve was fixing apples OpenGL code and apple still refused to uses Valves fixes. The big problem with apple publicly backing crossover is DRM, most the time you had to put on the Jolly Roger hat to get games that worked. Still it may be a indication of change at apple, they pulled over Capcom for an RE4 port and Hideo Kojima for Death Stranding port. There may be some good will for change.

[@Hjorth87]

Good morning everyone from Denmark. After a night with partial insomnia and work related worries it's nice to clean up in the kitchen and listening to our favorite show of the week

[@richarddavis5459]

Hope you rest up and your worries fade my friend.

[@Hjorth87]

​@@richarddavis5459 thanks, it got so bad that I started reading through the Trump Indictment. Its not a short document...

[@jonzeDK]

Godmorgen 👍

[@neferiusnexus]

Stay strong there bud

[@BhargavaMan]

Hey if anyone from LMG is reading this comment please let Linus know that his "blue remote" joke didn't go unnoticed.

[@mlsasd6494]

You need to mention Luke, he checks the comments for a mention of him so its more likely to be seen ^^

[@IIIIIIIlII]

I can’t even imagine the stench that a 7 day LAN party would bring 🥴

[@KamiKaZantA]

I remember years ago when I attended Dreamhack. 10,000 people, €1 showers, day two crew got on stage and said they had earned €100.

[@amdkillaplays]

Give people 7 tokens when they arrive with their assigned IP address on it. When they don't shower by midday, block their IP until you receive their next token 🤣

[@Yewtewba]

​@UpcycleShoesok that's my lunch, what's everyone else having?

[@PrograError]

@@amdkillaplays you do realise they could just get someone to be them right?

[@MarcSGA]

Fun fact about Net Nanny in 1998: it only applied its filters to Internet Explorer, but Windows Explorer used the same engine, so you could just put a URL that Net Nanny blocked on IE or Netscape into Windows Explorer and completely circumvent it

[@vortigern4804]

Netflix cancels nearly all shows after 3 seasons regardless of success in order to avoid paying out bonuses to their creatives, since they double every season. It's super scummy, on top of making nobody want to get invested with Netflix shows anymore.

[@jojomorgan8556]

I live in Louisiana and I have always used a VPN anyway but I would never give my legal identification to anything or anyone on the internet.

[@TheXev]

Time stamp guy takes a day off and it's like the KZbin version of 'A Sick Day for Amos McGee'

[@Zyo117]

That reference is so obscure archaeologists will still be trying to figure it out in 500 years.

[@Ax195el]

The apple vision pro cable is proprietary on one end but its a usb-c on the other, so you could probably just attach a a bigger usb-c battery pack

[@Skullet]

I'm sure it wont be long before 3rd parties release bigger battery packs, alternatively your idea of attaching a bigger battery via the USB C connector would work fine.

[@blankspace0000]

Sounds like LTT Labs is gonna be the DXO Mark of computer components and I am SO here for it!

[@Sithhy]

Computer components & other accessories/devices

[@Luke-gj9ik]

Hello, it’s me Luke. Thank you guys so much you guy’s really helped

[@Alcatraz760]

Apple will NEVER make that translation layer an official end user thing. They will always demand and only officially advertise native ports, because advertising that they need windows software to run games is an admission of defeat of their platform, and they'll never let that tarnish their image. Valve has always been very hacky and open with janky software and experiences, hence why they're happy to advertise Proton and admit some games just won't run.

[@MusicForHourss]

2:34:30 great point about cooking... think about having the recipe and the timer anywhere you want. You can cook and see those screens on the kitchen above the kitchen etc

[@nextInsiders]

Game Porting Toolkit is not meant for anything else than early testing and identifing problem of areas for porting work. In fact, licence forbids to use this to ship production software. It just so happens, that anyone can do a game port using free time about 1h and mentioned toolkit. Large part of the code is commited under CrossOver software umbrella who did work on behalf of Apple.

[@voidmind]

On top of Wine/proton API translation, the MAC has to emulate x86, so games will run significantly slower than on a Linux OS running on x86

[@kryrins]

Wait why isn't the timestamp guy here yet?

[@EtanChamare]

1:06:25 regarding the age verification in Utah and how PH blocked themselves in Utah, the new privacy features in Safari in iOS 17 actually bypass this block when in private browsing mode. No vpn needed.

[@hishnash]

There is other stuff to the porting kit. One big one is the sup for HLSL shaders to compile directly to metal IR and even directly to GPu Machine code so devs can ship games that do not need any shader compilation on device

[@evoboy67]

We can say that they were speaking out of their bottoms

[@Frizzy9000]

Could you explain this further? I am not great at how game development goes but I know shader compilation even async can cause stutters. Could you elaborate? Thanks!

[@hishnash]

@@Frizzy9000 So DX games write shaders in the HLSL programming langue's (simlare to c). The shaders are the bits of custom code written by the game dev that runs on the gpu. Metal expects shaders to be written in a custom of C++. Prior to this toolkit devs that has HLSL shades need to write tools that would take those text files and modify them to create metal shader files this is difficult to do well automatically. With the toolkit apple have now provided a compiler that lets HLSL shaders to be compiled directly to metal IR on the developers machine. Metal IR I snot the final compiled result but is 1/2 way there, it is not human readable source code but rather something that can be adapted as needed for the target HW on the users machine. One feature metal has that you do not get on PC (but you do on consoles) is the ability to compile the shaders on the developers machine all the way to the GPUs machine code the they ship the game so that there is 0 shader compilation on the users device, this is optional and depending on how the engine is written might not be possible.

[@alandworsky8926]

The Mac gaming thing is way less than it could be, but it’s pretty great that they did what they did

[@firesyde424]

Not a fan of Mac or... anything Apple really. However, I think the Windows gaming compatibility for Macs is a good thing. Maybe it's not in the best state now, but Proton on Linux was that way a long time ago and Linux gaming was in a better place, even before Valve weighed in. I believe it's always a good thing when gamers have more choices.

[@kam_iko]

21:26 this entire take on apple gaming is a bit off. the idea behind the inclusion of proton/crossover in (and ONLY) dev tools is for the developers to assess the performance/overall bugginess, before they commit to the idea of porting the game. if the game is really buggy and a slideshow, they’ll know, that it doesn’t make sense to port it, as that would require substantial effort. however, if it’s playable and decently fast thru crossover, they might as well put in some effort to port it, as it will be (the effort) minimal and only improve the performance. plus bring in additional income. the mention of steam in this context doesn’t make much sense, as the developers have the source code, they’re not running their executables thru steam… for the last point (and someone correct me if i’m wrong), but crossover/proton is not part of the actual porting process. the porting toolkit is were apple’s effort is in, in the porting software. the addition of crossover/proton is just a “game player” to assess your efforts beforehand.

[@evoboy67]

It was a bit impressive how uninformed take it was, better to reserve judgement instead of revealing deep rooted resentment. Luke should definitely watch the “Platforms State of the Union” or even some of the dev talks on the tech, very informative and easily consumable

[@evoboy67]

Talking mainly about Linus here, Luke is, as usual, pretty grounded, down to earth and realistic. He challenged Linus at moments but I was hoping to hear his technical initial reaction, thoughts and questions

[@Pratixx]

Hope Luke gets better soon.

[@James95Dark]

It's wild that with all the new competition in the streaming platform space, instead of giving people reasons to stay on Twitch, they'rejust pushing more and more away

[@dagarath]

A lot of streamers are just dismissive of other platforms, Rumble probably offers the best policies for streamers but people dismiss it as "Right Wing", and personally I just don't think Kick can compete, any other platform has had no real growth whatsoever and has no clue how to market.

[@esaedvik]

Twitch is still all over the place with bans. Big streamers get a complete free pass most of the time as there's no limit on bans, it seems. Now they're suddenly claiming they take feedback etc. from Ambassadors, which is just complete bullshit for the most part. Ambassadors have been frustrated for years as Twitch just asks for feedback and the release the same bullshit features they would anyways. "Kick has a toxic chat problem" almost like it's not about the platform but the people in the (mostly) gaming community. Take reports of toxic users seriously and ban them from the platform - make it better. Stop hate raids etc. It's insane they still happen on Twitch too. Twitch has actually sued a few hate-raiders, which is amazing. Just not enough.

[@Yuikiren]

WAN show podcasts accompany my life so many times. Always great

[@Juanthepanda]

Hers is my LTX panel subject suggestion: The Lack of game optimization and dev relying on the brute force of hardware to carry the game performance.

[@MarcelEvers1]

I saw a video where you referred to Emily (also this WAN show). I wanted to say hello to Emily (probably off probation :-D ), but the forum got too much hate. I want to send love to Emily (hope this get to her!) I always love her deep software/hardware entangled insights/topics/videos! (Not much of a retro console guy but still watch it ;-) )

[@s31ACE1252]

On the Twitch issue, I think one of their biggest mistakes was screwing over Dr. Disrespect when Mixer folded. That move showed they would not honor contracts and thus lead to some really big names joining team red.

[@KingKool2099]

Didn't he break the law by streaming in a public bathroom? Have I got that right? I feel their hands were tied there.

[@s31ACE1252]

@@KingKool2099 Yeah that did happen. I think the cameraman screwed up by following him in. Twitch did take action on him for that. Was around a year between that event and the perma ban. I don't think the two are connected.

[@kitcat5288]

There's nothing public about the doc situation, it's all just baseless theories with a popular one being doc made up a mixer contract and tried negotiating with twitch for a bigger pay out. He wouldn't have to sign an nda/keep quiet all this time and settle out of court if that were the case though.

[@PoleTooke]

1:53:39 Ooo, nice logo! Kudos to whoever designed that, I recognize your awesome art talents and I hope you go far! 😊😊

[@thislonepenguin]

This felt like Linus Employment Tips. Not great tech takes this week imho, but a spicy internal meeting and good career advice! 😁

[@AaronHuffmanPerson]

I listened to the whole show and had to come back for the ad spots to actually see them. Worth it!

[@MrFester]

One reason for the policy update is because Amazon has been ignoring / skirting laws of certain countries on advertising to minors.

[@Frustratedfool]

Luke’s arms position fits with every topic in the show!

[@dtemp132]

I've been watching WAN Show for about 2 years 9 months, and I think the streak goes all the way back to before I started watching. Don't remember a Friday without WAN.

[@88porpoise]

To be clear, the streak isn't having a WAN Show, it is Luke and Linus hosting the WAN Show. Weeks with a WAN show is a lot longer Previously it was not uncommon to have one unavailable and a guest host such as James (and I believe at least one occasion with neither Luke nor Linus). As far as I am aware September 4, 2020 was the last show without them both (it was hosted by Linus and Riley) so the streak started September 11, 2020. Next episode will pass the two years and nine months threshold. But I am not certain of that date, there may be another one or two since then.

[@TheOneTrueNothing]

There's a reason Puss In Boots got such a positive reception and besides the stellar commentary on mental health and familial relationships, a good chunk of that reason is the villains are just villains.

[@bkylecannon]

I'm not sure Linus and I agree on everything, but I always respect his perspective. Great show as always

[@Kahn_Wo]

2:34:16 what about screen sharing from your mac to the Vision pro while you edit a video. Having a “screen” for your timeline, one for the video and perhaps one for web browsing or a word doc?

[@SanderEvers]

@Linus, WWDC is a Developer conference. Ofcourse Apple is going to tell Developers (who are the target audience) to port their games to Mac. The Toolkit is like any Apple toolkit, an easy way to do so. And it gives you access to Metal 3 with "DirectX 12" support. The toolkit is not aimed at consumers, AT ALL. That you can actually use it as a consumer, just shows how much Apple actually has changed. So yeah, this ultimately is a very big and good step from Apple.

[@AaronFigFront]

It is, in fact, legally not possible to use the metal translation in the real games when the game developers/studio publish them. Apple made that clear in the documentation.

[@ThreeDee912]

A lot of people are only focusing on the Proton-like thing and forgetting about all the other work they're doing with the automated DX to Metal shader file converter (that also runs on Windows), AI upscaling, controller support, and working with Unity to make things easier for devs while not stooping to releasing low quality ports with hacky workarounds as an end product.

[@dustojnikhummer]

​@@AaronFigFront So what is it for?

[@zenreeio13IIIlI]

Bro really just did "@Linus" 💀

[@paulthexton7483]

@@dustojnikhummer it's to get a useful immediate indicator of "here's how well (or not) your game currently runs on macOS via translation layers and zero optimisations". If that game runs at 10-15 fps, the obvious implication is that it's going to take a *lot* of work to port the game to macOS and have it be performant. If the game runs at more like 40-60 fps, then the chances are there's going to be less effort needed to get to whatever performance profile you want to deliver for your game. It lets developers get a data input in to their decision of "should we bother with a macOS port?". The fact that people don't seem to "get that" is honestly, legitimately astonishing. As to whether game developers are ever going to be interested in doing a native port at all, that's a fair and open question, as Linus pointed out, a lot of Console -> PC ports are half arsed at best so there's no real reason to think those same devs would be more invested in porting to Mac.

[@InboundG]

29:00 yeah I’m with Luke on this one, code can be extremely long and/or complicated and just because the file size is small doesn’t necessarily directly correlate to the length and or complexity of a program.

[@evoboy67]

Linus was just looking for an negative

[@InboundG]

@@evoboy67 yeah you right I was just agreeing with Luke, probably an unnecessary comment but it’s too late now I guess

[@evoboy67]

@@InboundG no bad feelings, just my honest thoughts because I was actually looking for to hear his thoughts and questions on WWDC, instead we got uneducated rant and misunderstanding.

[@Skullet]

@@evoboy67 Agreed, Linus seemed to be trying to hard to find negatives that he just came off as a bit clueless at times.

[@raccoononi]

yeah this one gives off “elon musk chooses employees to keep based on lines of code written” vibes

[@WaterdropGirl]

Man I love the WAN show

[@teebles]

Oh cool, i just realized when they were talking about proton for Mac, they spoke of Emily, and I'm like, "oh right, that Emily". I actually was wondering how hard it is to refer to someone by another name suddenly but it just rolled off the tongue.

[@VFuzball]

Depending on how low the gift cards go in price, you could totally just buy a few small gift cards to get one item, letting you send more merch messages. More bang for your buck

[@locutusvonborg2k3]

im lost without timestamp guy !!!!!!!!!

[@ToadyEN]

When you mention about apple taking 30% cut of App Store content, don’t most digital workplaces do that? It’d be cool to hear you talk about web apps in sonoma and how that could potentially eat into their App Store content, and why they aren’t doing progressive web app support in IOS yet.

[@AnyMEmdq]

16:05 With Daredevil, The Punisher, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and The Defenders it was not Netflix's fault. Disney was launching their own platform, it was at that time, not before, and they own the characters, so when it was time for renewal they told Netflix "yeah, hey, listen, we cannot cancel the contract if you want to continue producing those shows, because the shows are yours, but the characters are ours, so we are modifying the terms, here, and now you have to pay us 3 times what you made with a season to make a new one using our characters" so Netflix correctly said "fuck you, Disney" and ended the shows

[@Questwizard]

Twitch banning simulcasting for everyone is pretty much the nail in the coffin. Its likely going to be worth jumping ship to somewhere else at this point. Bonus awful points for the fact that they tried to hide this change behind other changes (branded content) that they knew were going to be met with extreme backlash from their users. Then they say they're undoing the branded content changes and proceed to just move them to the main ToS and word it slightly differently? Do they really think people wouldn't notice that? It just shows how out of touch Twitch is with their own streamers.

[@avalanche1990]

Found that out from a community post from a small creator that streams on Twitch and then breaks it up for the KZbin audience of hers. She said she's looking to jump ship and deal with KZbin exclusively now. So I can definitely see a large exodus coming from Twitch to KZbin

[@Drazil100]

Honestly yeah. It's really stupid. Whenever someone gives you an "It's either me or them" ultimatum the correct answer is almost always going to be the one who isn't giving you an ultimatum. It's frankly just manipulative. It makes me think that Twitch wishes to do even more anti creator moves to make themselves profitable and want you to be so scared that you will get locked out of using Twitch that you don't even try alternative options.

[@JoenHarlver]

@@avalanche1990 a feature 1% used by mostly small streamers prob. (except other 1 or 2 + linus) but if u have 1000+ viewers probably not switching to youtube or a hard decision & everytime ppl switch platform they have a decrease by around 40-70% of viewers maybe not day 1 or 2 but overtime, happens all the time to almost every streamer (so if she has like 100 viewers on youtube and twitch = 200;; she might only end up at 125-150 viewers on youtube) gl to her and everyone else but people are humans and switching platform is very hard to most people especially when u know that youtube lifechat & livestreamfeed is awful otherwise they would watch on yt (twitch perspective obv)

[@awisone]

Guys, you really could dig a little bit more and find out that Apple also introduced a shader converter from DX to Metal 3

[@jdude99lolz]

They literally talked about that lol

[@OmahaGTP]

Where are you Time Stamp Hero?!

[@ThyTrueNightmare]

2:46:39 I know you did that editor swap video awhile ago, did you guys looking into davanic resolve? if they use it for movies its gotta be good somewhere

[@saschasiemens]

Thanks to Dennis, I now love watching the sponsor spots. Never let him go!

[@jfwfreo]

The best thing about Lightyear is the cool spaceship (which got turned into a really cool LEGO set :). There is a story that the designer of the ship in the movie designed it in a certain way so the tie-in LEGO set would contain certain new parts which I think is cool if its true.

[@BattousaiHBr]

waiting for timestamp guy

[@kevinblack16]

WHERE IS THE PODCAST!? Not uploaded to Apple Podcasts yet

[@Avalon304]

I think theres something to be said for the difference in marketshare between Linux and mac OS in terms of getting developers to port thier games with the new tool kit as compared to when Proton was first released. Linux isnt a thing really in terms of gaming (even with the Steam Deck being a thing), and while mac OS isnt really a thing in gaming either, but there are certainly far more people out there with a MacBook or whatever than there are people running Linux as anything more than a interesting novelty. Ill also say Apple does have a pretty good record of evolving their tool kits if there is something there. I wouldnt be so sure that Apple wont go the same route as Valve to improve their new tool kit. Getting Hideo Kojima to show up and push Death Stranding on Mac in the WWDC keynote shows that they know theres something there, otherwise why have him show up at all?

[@douglasfox2731]

It is so hard to find this and the 16th's WAN Shows on youtube, they are not in the WAN Show playlist, under podcasts, they don't appear under Linus Tech Tips - Videos according to Ctrl - F, and can only be found by searching WAN Show from the top of KZbin.

[@costafilh0]

“All you need” now are 2-5 batteries to use your Visio Pro on long flights. Depending on the charging speed. lol

[@marcellkovacs5452]

A 10 hour flight better have a charging outlet

[@Skullet]

Or you could just connect a battery bank to the USB-C on the external battery.

[@mindsunwound]

I dunno, I don't think that light-year deserves the comparison to Little Nemo, Light-year is an extremely tired IP it is essentially a prequel to a sequel to a TV show of a spin off from a movie with two sequels already. Little Nemo was Fresh IP.

[@Blazagg]

The recent changes made by Twitch follow a process which has been named "enshittification" by journalist Cory Doctorow. He wrote an article about TikTok but Twitch is quickly following suit. The interesting part of his article is the last stage of this process which is the death of the service lol and Twitch is definitely on that road

[@StellarJay77]

On the Logitech topic. Logitech bought Astro and Blue a long time ago and have just been running them under their respective brands since the acquisition (several years from what I understand). It is just now that they are amalgamating them under the Logitech G brand. Astro headsets have been utilizing Logitech audio development for years so I'm surprised that Linus hasn't at least returned to them for review in more recent times. The Astro A50's are by far the most comfortable wireless headsets I have ever owned. The integrated DAC that allows you to utilize both a game audio channel and voice audio channel is indispensable for streaming having separate audio you can balance between (notifications and such) or playing multiplayer on console with voice chat. The audio quality (once tuned using the app) is pretty good too. Most people don't know this either, but Logitech owns Stream Labs too which is based in Vancouver Canada.

[@spart0n654]

Timestamp hero, take your time!

[@z0rpan2]

What if a state-verification system acts like a credit card service (call tag?) where it verifies the data from the ID, the website receives the DOB and the transaction is then deleted, where the account on the website maintains the DOB for age verification while maintaining identity anonymity?

[@meresmear]

Every time I look over to Luke, I just see him in that pose instead of the cardboard cut-out...

[@vivekvs1992]

Quick question.. Those blue tapes on the table.. Is that part of the design or the placeholders fir your laptops?

[@brettbuterbaugh934]

Im almost saddened that Linus didn't go for the burn by saying "Here's your shovel, dig your own swimming pool"

[@nicholasanderson9111]

While I agree that most of the Astro line-up is meh and their top headphones are over-priced, the A50s are great and have a feature set I can't find anywhere else. the A50s have a "flip-up", hard cut, mute mic, so there is no mistaking or accidental mute mistakes with a button/light on the tip etc. The other must have for me is a "wireless"/no-plug charging. You set them on the dock and they charge, no plugging in required. With the battery life being 12+ hours (for my noise levels anyway) I haven't been able to find another gaming headset with those features. The main thing missing for their price point is dual wireless/blue-tooth. If anyone has a suggestion, I will gladly check it out.

[@izzydotout]

i think linus and luke have a pretty huge misconception about apple’s game porting kit. It’s not meant to be for the end user at the end of the day. So it doesn’t matter that steam or anticheat software doesn’t work. Devs have builds of their games that don’t need all that stuff and they will be running their own internal versions. It makes sense that the experience would not be the best for a gamer because it’s not meant for gamers.

[@BrandonFenty]

For Apple Vision, the use case I could see is traveling business person. You’ve got to take lots of meetings both virtually and in person, and you don’t want to lug monitors etc around with you. You get to the hotel room and whip out this headset and you’ve functionally got your office with you. Especially that you can use it as a monitor for your computer. And you can call home and say goodnight to the kids. Or watch a movie on the plane or in your tiny hotel room. I’m not saying it’s perfect but that’s the use case I can see.

[@dillyduncs]

I have literally zero idea why ANYONE would agree to exclusively stream on twitch anymore. You'd have to be nuts, or incredibly desperate.

[@JakeSimmons]

Thanks for the shoutout guys!

[@bowiemtl]

The labs site is looking promising. The whole concept is something I would love to contribute to. Is there anything planned to be open sourced or is there no room for this in the plans?

[@lenzwe7775]

Probably not, Linus talked a few times about not being interested in contributing to FOSS

[@Imafia97]

Excited for LABS website, but I have a question how recent the hardware details going to be and are you going to take community feedback for hardware to be added to LABS website

[@FutureJacket]

Things Linus and I have in common: Appreciation of gaming. Appreciation of Yvonne. Speaking before thinking.

[@ScamCast]

An age verification method I thought of that could be used to confirm you're an adult without giving up your identitiy is having some sort of card or something that is sold behind the counter at stores. Regulated like alcohol where you have to show your ID to buy this card. The card then has a code on the back, hidden behind a scratcher thing that can be used to access these restricted sites. The card manufacture has a public API on their site that these many other websites can use to verify the codes entered on their sites.

[@Wooble57]

i mean, sure, but it wouldn't really help much. An hour after those go live dudes are going to be selling them marked up at highschools. I think the best that could be feasible would be to legislate the isp's to offer parental controls for their entire connection. Tech savvy parents could already do this themselves.

[@ThreeDee912]

Linus should really watch the WWDC talk on the Game Porting Kit. It's more than just the WINE/Proton thing that everyone is focused on. They wrote a bunch of tools that run on both Windows and Mac to assist in porting shaders and stuff to Metal. Apple's been putting resources into AI upscaling, controller support, audio , and other parts of the pipeline. Proton is great, but it doesn't help when Windows games are x86 and Mac is ARM and games have to go through all these translation layers which kills performance. Mac users need native optimized ports, not hacks on top of hacks on top of multiple translation and emulation layers just to get something running, which results in people complaining about subpar performance when the hardware is capable of a lot more. He has a point that it's up to the devs to put in the effort, but they are trying to make it as easy as possible for them to make a port without settling for it to be a shit quality one.

[@jsevakis]

Why would Linus educate himself when he can just blindly dunk on Apple like he always does

[@techtt6213]

And to get the game running they could've just used whisky

[@evoboy67]

@@jsevakisit’s rather sad because I usually respect his take on things but he should have reserved judgement until after learning the details and maybe sleep on it

[@realfangplays]

Well he still believes that reading the comments gives him a good picture of things.

[@Lafunamor]

does anyone have issues with WAN show not being visible in the "all videos" or your subscription feed?

[@dennisbrannvalls1fan964]

Finally it’s finished. Techlinked time!

[@jensfredriksvensson]

Regarding the id check, one thing could be for you to look into how we do electronic Id's here in the Nordics where you have an id locked to a device and then a code and we have "government" running the central system. Easy to integrate to (as a developer) and fairly secure. In Sweden it is called BankID and in DK MitID. (Could even be a good standalone video)

[@BeautifulMadeline]

Time Stamp Guy, we need you 😭😭😭😢

[@makcraft]

What I love about the WAN Show so much is the "what would you know about that?" aspect. L&L have so much combined experience is so many spheres that they don't bullshit through their takes like other podcasts, they actually have on-hand experience, and do not "read a blog about it"

[@spart0n654]

If twitch tries or does ban ltt, i hope linus publicly posts the communication details... Especially if its funny or if twitch says stupid stuff to ltt....

[@medivha]

Yep, the URL to the lab's site is readable!(with some easy guesses) I checked it out. (and no, before someone is asking, I don't share it)

[@luciusad2004]

The game porting is interesting, though I suspect ultimately misguided. On one hand, I get the perspective Apple is taking in trying to encourage ports; in my experience what most Mac users actually want are native ports. I want code compiled for Apple Silicon using native libraries and frameworks and I'd be willing to bet most enthusiasts feel similarly. This is also in line with how Apple expects developers to develop for the mac; they should use official libraries and frameworks to provide the best experience. But as Linus alluded to, and as Valve found out with their initial Linux push, developers aren't going to do the work to create high quality ports. If the compatibility layer works well enough to allow the game to run they are happy to piggy back off that work for a small smattering of additional sales, but it wont ultimately change how they target their releases so I agree this will do nothing to change the situation regarding gaming on Mac. Given that this wasn't really emphasized in the keynote, I suspect Apple knows that as well.

[@netiturtle]

1:18:25 uhh Linus, that's just device saying specific user authenticated. It doesn't send your fingerprint. Just like your face, eyes, PIN or swipe pattern isn't sent to the internet