357 Mag vs 10mm: Huge Difference?

On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of the 10mm to the 357 magnum on 4 different targets. Each target is worth 25 points (winner takes all), for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 10 yards. Thanks for watching!
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[@RenlangRen]

Of all the "caliber wars" this is the one that interests me the most. Thanks for posting it!

[@tidefanyankee2428]

@longhorndb The 10 mm is a fine cartridge. But if I'm ever attacked by a "new car windshield," then the .357 will be my first choice.

[@tristantimothy1004]

​@longhorndb, Why not? 16 fast beats 6 slow anyday in a real world situation.

[@h4l414]

10 mm was designed to be an semi auto friendly .357. Shorter but wider same basic ballistics when loaded up.

[@Steven-gv1ke]

The comparison is not completely fair either because none of the energy of the round is diverted to move a slide on the revolver. So it has a small advantage from a power standpoint.

[@tristantimothy1004]

​@@Steven-gv1ke, Revolvers lose a lot of energy between the cylinder & the bbl. And they're still slower & limited round count. W bears there's never enough firepower. Add the recoil recovery factor & revolvers lose every time.

[@gallantmouse898]

Moral of the story. Both are excellent rounds. Use whatever you prefer and (or) are comfortable using.

[@6P3-MK4]

Bingo. A person that's well rounded with a .22, will be way more effective than a person thats never shot a 357

[@webn8]

Why choose? 🙂

[@blantant]

Well said. Love both.

[@echo6echo419]

Both great rounds. I would choose either for self defense. The .357 I think is a bit more abundant and in a pinch, you can shoot a 9mm from a .357 revolver.

[@6P3-MK4]

@echo6echo419 most people run 38 special through the 357. Just like .40 cal being ran through 10mm. Never heard of 9mm being ran through 357 but goodluck

[@robertthomas2942]

357 is never a bad option. Class never goes out of style.

[@Cannibal_Actual]

Ah yes class always matters in a gun fight.

[@peterraab3411]

Damn Straight

[@Ruger44Redhawk]

@Cannibal_Actual Yes, yes it does. The .357 has proven itself against any critter, two or four legged.

[@tntgators]

And you can practice with 38 ammo. Win

[@Cannibal_Actual]

@@tntgators you can practice with 40 also in a 10mm

[@livewire2759]

This is pretty much what I expected. I'm a revolver nut, so I have a few .357s and .44 mags, but I recently bought a 10mm since so many people compare it to .44 mag... I wanted to see if that was true. What I found is that it's a lot closer to .357, and that's what you showed here.

[@doldemenshubarti8696]

idk what morons compare 10mm to 44mag, but some 10mm fanboys compare it to 41 mag. Since it's also closer to that diameter. however, at over 6 inch barrel, hottest loads of 357 mag is superior to 10mm, and at carbine barrel length, the difference is insurmountable. 10mm does perform much better out of shorter barrel like glock 29 than snub nose 357 mag. The reason 10mm is favoured is its capacity, capability and modifiability for faster target reacquisition via lighter trigger pull, heavier recoil spring assy slide action to reduce recoil, and even vertical compensator to help put sight picture back on target in a more controlled and speedy manner than double-action revolvers. Optics that help put rounds on moving target are neat plus (especially against faster feline predators), but for bear defense, which is for why lot of 10mm semi-auto are bought, you dont need anything more than an overextending underbarrel flashlight attachment or a compensator in case you have to shoot against its fur and dont want slide to go out of battery

[@Elthenar]

Anyone who thought a 10mm compared to a 44 or 41 mag is an idiot. The 357 was always the best comparison. The muzzle energy is near identical if you average out the ammo and barrel length variances.

[@accordv6er]

Only way to compare to .44 is a snub nose light load .44 vs a heavy maxed out 10mm in a carbine... 10mm in a carbine is pretty mental, add 200fps or so. Still doubt it has more energy. But actual use I've always treated it like a semi auto .357

[@raceman946]

@@accordv6er whats really wild is .357 in a carbine, 125gr at 2300fps out of a 18in marlin from buffalo bore. .357 benefits like crazy from more and more barrel.

[@accordv6er]

@@raceman946 .350 legend basically copies that for semi autos

[@tinglemccringleberry8899]

You have an excellent balance of data and banter.

[@cocodojo]

if anything, we can say he's "good to go 👍"

[@johnryan6658]

Nowhere near enough data. What FMJ rounds was he firing? Any results are meaningless without that data.

[@iamnitrox]

Homeboy needs to be in a barbershop quartet

[@bananaballistics]

I prefer to be a soloist, but I might settle for a barbershop quartet lol

[@SB-qm5wg]

lol!! 🤣

[@seeharvester]

I bet he can knock "16 tons" out of the park. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIPLYYSfjd6Nic0

[@ghostwriter1415]

@@bananaballistics what do you think about .357 SIG? You take a 10 mm casing, and melt it around a 9 mm bullet, so it's 9 x 22 + wider case. But, I look at the straight wall 9x21, 9x23, and see better numbers?

[@markjordan348]

Ever think about covering Monster Mash and 16 tons?

[@Zantar45]

10mm, because you'll need more than six rounds of .357 and .44 when the bears figure out how to make plate mail

[@somefkingrando]

I just laughed entirely too hard at this

[@matthewcrow3181]

Bears can count to six also, so it’s best not to give them any advantage 😂😂

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

Or meth

[@cedricschwarz]

just buy a propper handgund and take 8 rounds of 357. if thats not enough i dont know…

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

Not sure what plate mail would be but ok.

[@Sparks68]

Elmer Keith's original .357 Magnum load as a 158 grain bullet at 1525 fps. Many loads today are much less than that. Takes about 12.5 -13.0 grains of 2400 rifle powder to get Keith's original 816 ft-lb muzzle energy ballistics. I used to load my own to that using semi-jacketed hollow points 50 years ago. Today I buy factory loads as close to that as I can. If I were reloading again the alternate powders would be 14.5 grains of W296, or 16.5 grains of Lil' Gun. Underwood has a factory load with 158 grain bullet, rated at 1500 fps muzzle velocity.

[@jorgesolis9468]

Wasnt he using a 6-8 inch barrel also?

[@scottcrawford3745]

According to Hodgdon's current online data, you can use H-110/Win 296 ( same powder, now) and 16.7 grains will give you 1591 fps with a 158 JHP. Your data for the W296/H-110 is a little light and below minimum safe load density. Note that using W296 or H-110 there really aren't any reduced loads, as it needs full pressure to achieve proper combustion. Light loads can generate wicked pressures and are potentially dangerous. We always used to do 18 grs of W296 and a 125 gr JHP for fabulous loud booms and fireballs, but that load is now under minimum load density... It now calls for a MINIMUM of 21 grs H-110/W296 / Maximum of 22 grs which generates ~ 1881 to 1966 fps and a LOT of BOOM>

[@aarongibson3925]

I’m using a 180 grain Cast Performance with Lil Gun. Going about 1430fps.

[@kfelix2934]

Ll'igun starline brass XTP 16 grains in a 357mangum case with 19.2 grains of powder. REcoil is okay, accuracy is not bad from a 10" TC contender.

[@jerrymartin5100]

I load 23.5 grains of w296 in my 357 maximum, 158 gr xtp, 1900 plus, smokin out of my handi rifle.

[@akrocuba]

Great VID!! I'm a revolver guy myself, but the best review I've seen. I conceal carry a .357...yes...only five rounds, but very effective as your demonstration indicated. For me, a 10mm would be too big for CC, but that's just me. In the wilderness I carry a .44 mag and .357 as back up....again, I'm old school

[@michaelmellegard7666]

Manufacturers make Sub Compact 10mm. Like the Glock 29. Very very easy to conceal.

[@shanesims2864]

Nothing wrong with being old school 🏫 friend . 👍🏻 It’s hard to beat a good S& W 66 or 686 . Stay safe & all the best 👌

[@rickjensen2833]

I have a Taurus 605.

[@Vaille32]

It comes down two two considerations: 1. Your choice of ammo, and; 2. Capacity. Both calibers are great, but each platform has its own inherent advantages and disadvantages.

[@UncleBildo]

I love both rounds. Both ugly for whatever gets shot. 10mm is though, my EDC choice. Glitch 29. Some of my friends don't like to shoot it, say it's harsh. I giggle like a fat kid with a cupcake when I shoot it.

[@alwaysamongdragons7354]

My friends say the same about my XDM that I picked up recently, but I personally don't find it all that hard to manage. I've fired some of the harshest loads I can find expecting irritating levels of recoil but it wasn't that bad.

[@mcdoctorglock]

@@alwaysamongdragons7354 I know, right? I don't get the "I like to keep my wrists" crowd, I believe they just don't know how to hold a pistol properly. I find 10mm fun and easy to shoot; it's the BEST mm.

[@UncleBildo]

@user-hv6ie3dp8h WORST handgun to shoot with no ear pro! The snap of the .357 combined with the booming roar of .44

[@usa-rb5fi]

XDM is on the heavier side which helps with recoil. I tried one out of the newer M&P 10’s and it’s stout but manageable.

[@rsbreeze]

My two favorite rounds! You can't go wrong!

[@LTYTACCT]

Scene 10:14 - The velocity for the 142 grain FMJ 357 magnum load is way too low if you're using a maximum charge of H110. I included some data below from my revolver and loads with moderately similar weight bullets at near maximum charge of H110. Hopefully they might be useful for you. Load 1 = 140 gr. Hornady XTP JHP, Starline nickel-plated case, WSPM primers 19.8 gr of H110. Vel = 1,465 fps shot from GP-100 revolver and 1,442 fps shot from 686 revolver. Load 2 = 145 gr. Winchester STHP, Starline nickel-plated case, WSPM primers 19.3 gr of H110. Vel = 1,421 fps shot from GP-100 revolver and 1,416 fps shot from 686 revolver. The GP-100 and 686 are both 6 inch barrel. The cylinder to forcing cone gap of the GP-100 is .005 inches and about .006 to .007 on the 686.

[@GB-zi6qr]

Thank you for posting this!!!

[@TheAverageCriminal]

I own revolvers that shoot both 10mm and 357 mag. And if Coonans and Desert Eagles didn't jam so often, I'd own a semi auto in 357 mag.

[@Hutzjohn]

That's why you want a Glock 20 --- it's basically a 357 mag in a 15 round auto --- what I mean is 10mm Buffalo Bore, Underwood, or Double Tap ammo is loaded to the power of the original 357 Magnum ---- where the 158 grain rounds muzzle velocity was around 1500 Fps -- which is the "same" as 165 grain 10mm at 1500 Fps.

[@TheAverageCriminal]

@@Hutzjohn I own both semi autos and revolvers in 10mm and love them. 10mm is definitely the closest cartridge out there to 357 mag. In some types of ammo, 10mm even outperforms 357 mag. Ballistics 101 has a chart on their website that was a real eye opener.

[@Hutzjohn]

@@TheAverageCriminal I remember back in the early 1970's I read an article in one of the outdoor magazines that some skiers were going across the north pole -- they were attacked by a polar bear ---- they shot it with a 357 magnum --- 5 shots to the chest and it was thru --- it was estimated at around 1500 pounds. Too bad todays ammo manufactures do not load the 357 magnum to the original specs. The Ruger Security Six S.S. 6 inch barrel was my first handgun. ------> STUPID ME traded it🤬

[@TheAverageCriminal]

@@Hutzjohn When I'm in bear country it's always hot loads (like Buffalo Bore) only. Also, FMJ is a must for bears due to their thick hides and bone density. Found some great charts showing ballistic data on Ballistics 101 showing the most powerful ammo brands on the market. BB is usually in the top 3. Handloading (for those that know how to do that) is the best option though.

[@jonosterman2878]

@@Hutzjohn I traded my first gun too, ruger vaquero 😂 I hate myself for it. I loved that little cowboy gun.

[@biglow8762]

I got my 10mm on me now! Never know when a grizzly bear my try to car jack me 😂😂😂😂😂

[@corvetteman0714]

😂😂😂

[@ricknone4686]

Grizzly will say thanks for lunch, guess I need a nap because those little bullets gave me a headache!

[@biglow8762]

@@ricknone4686 a big hole where that head ache is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@iffykidmn8170]

@@ricknone4686 Its not like its armor plate its the angle you can easily get rounds to skip off water as well.

[@zoggrog8823]

Or a large gorilla

[@jobo5650]

Would love to see this test with Buffalo Bore Ammunition.

[@rickterrance4981]

Exactly unless this is done with hand loads that actually push these cartridges to their potential this test is pointless. Mass production ammo tends to be severely under loaded.

[@TacticoolVIKINGBeard]

​@@rickterrance4981yea especially with 10mm... they tend to load them to .40s&w standards which is BS

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

@@TacticoolVIKINGBeard Exactly right, if I wanted to shoot 40 I wouldn't have bought a 10.

[@henryfredette6735]

BB has a very strict list of firearms their ammo is safe for. I just don't know if a semiauto action would take that much pressure.

[@fatalvenomX]

@@rickterrance4981yes these are hand loads and if you check the values at 10:14 you’ll see they’re about as hot if not ever so slightly hotter than buffalo bore and underwood. As he said you can’t really get any hotter than that safely with a stock Glock barrel. Now what would make a difference is seeing underwood’s extreme penetrator or BB’s hard cast as based on another penetration test video I saw those get real nasty against hard barriers like steel.

[@aaronspratt267]

I have firearms chambered in both rounds, and I love them both.

[@rickt10]

Yep, correct answer is, get both!

[@SmittyAZ]

Why I'm broke. No either, or with me.

[@destroyingdadxx2274]

Me too! Both great.

[@tufelhunden5795]

Both are great to have. The advantage of the 357, IMO, is lever guns. Inside of 100 yards you can get close to 30-30 power. So as a do it all cartridge it ricks.

[@eriklarson9137]

@@SmittyAZ Amazing.

[@legacyfarmmarket]

"Let's turn it arrooound" stuck in my head 😅

[@edlafond1]

There's a good idea for a t-shirt for the channel!

[@redfaux74]

Cyndi Lauper sang that song.... 😂😂😂

[@Darkbeers]

That's my favorite part of the videos! It's silly, but I LIVE to hear that line and love the videos: They provide the pertinent info about the cartridges, without the posturing.

[@deadparrothead3175]

It makes me get the song "Turn around" when William Shatner sings it stuck in my head...

[@daviddawsondan]

Two reasons to use the 357. 1 it's all about penetration, and secondly you can take the brass home without having to hunt for it.

[@levergatRapha]

3rd out of a rifle length barrel 357 is 150/200fps faster than 10mm ( see the barrel by the inch website)

[@Rubeless]

It’s all about placement.

[@robbledot7290]

@@levergatRaphafaster but lighter

[@levergatRapha]

@@robbledot7290 nope, 357 is 125-210gr usually when 10mil is 165-220... 10gr difference not enough to make a difference...(yadda yadda Paul Harrell) 10 mil being a rimless autoloader round is a big plus nonetheless

[@andywilson8698]

Even with a lighter bullet, it has similar if not better sectional density, meaning better penetration most the time.

[@DaveL9170]

Here’s what your test didn’t identify; the .357 Magnum out of an 18 inch lever action. The .357 becomes a NEW cartridge beast out of a a lever action rifle. The 10mm only increase 10 percent or so. The .357 becomes a legitimate deer, pig, and close range elk round. It will pound your targets.

[@ScottLovenberg]

Yeah, those old cartridges served a lot of roles; newer ones tend to be very role specific. It makes comparison difficult because you have to understand the time and place before you can say too much. Sometimes "failure" is, "works for the designed purpose at the time and place it was designed and implemented".

[@Stab_Knifewind]

Fair enough, but 10mm has more pros for handgun use.

[@Rubeless]

None of it matters if you lack skills

[@pewpewTN]

Ehh, that's not really true. I've been able to get a lot more than 10% out of a 16" with 10mm Infact, most people do. 10mm is easily over 1000 Ft/lbs out of a 16".

[@usa-rb5fi]

And instead you get a 44 lever instead because it does all those things better than 357.

[@arapahoetactical7749]

Cylinder gap plays a huge role in velocity in wheel guns. Most of my .357 mag. revolvers with a 6" barrel produce between 1200 and 1300 fps, but my Coonan .357 Magnum, a stretched 1911 semi-auto with a 5" barrel, inclusive of the chamber, produces 1550 fps from the same load. This why you really need to test these two cartridges side by side from the same firearm type, either revolvers or semi-auto. By testing the 10mm from a semi-auto and the .357 from a revolver, you stack the deck against the .357.

[@richardmason9097]

1550 out of a 5 inch barrel is very high. Does a Desert Eagle get that sort of velocity?

[@skullofserpent5727]

I wonder who influenced Mr. Banana's sense of humor 😂 very 80-90ish style

[@thatguyoverthere2288]

Definitely the 70s

[@bigdogbob845]

I have a pristine, vintage Ruger Security Six .357 Magnum, with a 6" bull barrel in stainless steel. My US Marine cousin and I worked up some hand loads with Blue Dot powder pushing 125 grain and 158 grain Hornaday hollow points. We got crono numbers of almost 1,900 FPS with the 125's and a solid 1,600 FPS with the 158's with no noticeable case distortion or compromised primers. The range master didn't like us using them though, being super-sonic they were knocking all the dust off of the corrugated roof over the shooting stations. Pretty smoking hot loads! ! !

[@eriklarson9137]

Cool but a .500 S&W Magnum completely laughs at your paragraph. Makes your tiny revolver sound like a .22. And pretty much any rifle embarrasses a .357. They were cool in the 70s. That is about it.

[@bigdogbob845]

@@eriklarson9137 Yeah, but who can afford to feed a .500 mag ?

[@phil463]

@@eriklarson9137 "Yeah well my car is faster than your car and my dad can beat your dad" Please be mature with your comments.

[@Ruger44Redhawk]

I usually rock a Ruger 3" SP101 or 4" GP100 with Buffalo Bore 180 grain hard cast Keith Outdoorsman in the mountains hiking or camping.

[@donrondemarco7556]

Great choice in both arm and round selection!

[@Ruger44Redhawk]

Thank you. My introduction to the .357 Magnum was my buddy who had his father's service revolver, a Colt Python, from the 70's and early 80's. We went camping in White Salmon, WA across from Hood River and we all brought our guns for some fun. After I shot his Colt Python that weekend I fell in love with the .357 and immediately went to the local gun store and looked for a Python. Obviously I found out they were hard to find and expensive if you found one. So, they had Ruger, S&W, Taurus, et al. So, I ended up getting the Ruger because it was in my price range. The "poor man's revolver" I guess. Funny thing is those Buffalo Bore's state on the box 'For use in Ruger Revolvers only.' Guess I picked right. RIP to my buddy Ryan who introduced me to the venerable. 357.

[@michaelpowers4452]

@@Ruger44Redhawk Great story, I fell for my unks colt trooper MK III, saved my dollars and bought one in 1973,, still have that beauty.

[@captbart3185]

Round count isn’t everything. I carry the .357 in black bear country and a .45 Colt bear load in a Blackhawk in brown bear country. If 2 or 3 doesn’t do the job an extra 9 rounds won’t help because that bear is eating you by then. Semiautomatics are great, love 1911s in .45ACP, but at my age shooter induced failure is more likely and the revolver just handles a misfire easier under pressure.

[@Bob.W.]

Another comparison might be 10mm vs. .41 mag. Similar bullet sizes.

[@usa-rb5fi]

Similar bore but way different energy levels.

[@Mr-6666]

357 and 10mm is more similar in ballistics.

[@Rubeless]

He just wanted to throw in the he knows of some special round, 41 mag.

[@Bob.W.]

@HWG-wm8ld no special rounds. Usually 215 grain swc over various amounts of 2400, H-110 and others. I have always handloaded .357 and .41 mainly due to cost.

[@usa-rb5fi]

Yeah I don’t understand why people compare the 10mm to the 41 when it’s been proven they’re night and day different. 10mm on the top end is at 41 mag on the bottom end. 10mm at maximum exceeds .357 by

[@samtagget]

Awesome video. Quick, to the point, not drawn out. Perfect. Keep it up.

[@slimjim2584]

Re: "slow" 357 From the archived bbti test, revolvers seem to have a point where bullets of a given weight are balanced to powder burn rate for a given cylinder gap. The harder you push a heavier bullet, the higher amount of gas is being expelled out of the cylinder gap. The longer the barrel means there is more time to ejected powder instead of push the bullet, and more friction. The ideal barrel length for 357 with normal loads appears to be about 5 inches. This is an argument why 4 inch revolvers are more than sufficient and why you were having issues in a 6 inch. The other problem with 357 mag is that it can be used in rifles up to 20 inches too. While no cylinder gap, loads optimized for pistols will be worse in lever guns. Manufacturers and reloading manuals often try to balance this which leads to it falling a bit short of optimal in both. Side note, 357 sig was optimized for 3 to 4inch barrels which is why it is not worth putting it in a rifle length barrel. Most pistol rounds top out speed at 10-12 inches or so of barrel length. If it wasnt for the NFA we wouldnt see pistol caliber carbines much longer than that. 16 inches is ok but not optimal. Thank you sig for those years ago getting the atf to give us the legal fiction that are pistol braces and the 2AF for beating the atf back on the rule change in the last years.

[@astrotrek3534]

Remember in a rifle with a tube magazine the barrel length dictates magazine size, so I think you would still see 16-18 inch barrels anyways, since that's about 10 rounds of .357

[@ericoverdorff8880]

Your so very wrong. Obviously you don't have a rifle in revolver calibers. And if 4 inch gave best valocity, manufacturers wouldn't make longer barrels for revolvers. Good try to sound smart though.

[@livewire2759]

@@ericoverdorff8880 You spelled velocity wrong... Oh, and I'd wager that your 1 thumb up came from you, yourself.

[@livewire2759]

@@astrotrek3534 That's true of lever guns with tubular magazines, sure, but he specifically said "pistol caliber carbines" while talking about semi-auto pistol rounds. So, yes, revolver caliber carbines would still have longer barrels, but the semi-auto PCC's would likely be shorter.

[@astrotrek3534]

@@livewire2759 Well, he was talking about .357, which is usually in a levergun, and I would say that a levergun in .357 is a pistol caliber carbine.

[@4d4Spl]

H110 was originally developed for the 30 carbine with a 110 grain bullet. In my experience, it will max out a 44 Magnum with the heavies. The 357 needs something just a little faster.

[@shanesims2864]

Thank so much for this comparison video!! You always do a great job in all your videos. You give solid feedback. All the best from Alabama 👍🏻👍🏻

[@chevrofreak]

9x25 Dillon barrels for that Glock 40 can be had cheap on eBay, and Underwood 9x25 ammo can be had at a reasonable price. That would be an interesting addition to this test.

[@greybone777]

Reasonable 😅😅😅😅😅😊😊 I just priced it at 42.95 for 20 rounds

[@chevrofreak]

@@greybone777 maybe for the 90gr Lehigh XD bullets; the 124gr XTP's are 25, and go on sale for closer to 20 fairly often.

[@0devast8r0]

@@greybone777 LOL. Gawd Dayum. Expensive.

[@BillHimmel]

@chevrofreak Not directly related to this test, but I'm curious: is it possible to shoot .357 sig in a 9x25 barrel? (After all, one can shoot the .40 in a 10 mm, so I wonder wether the interchangeability also applies to the necked-down versions)

[@chevrofreak]

@@BillHimmel it is not

[@carami6442]

Thank you for finally addressing that revolver barrels and other handgun barrels are not measured the same. I have not seen one other person mention that while comparing revolvers to pistols. Not even Paul Harrell

[@beargillium2369]

whoa buddy Paul has definitely mentioned that multiple videos

[@Awannabestylist]

I along with 150 other cops on our department carried .357 mag revolvers for decades. We carried either Colt of S&W and 125 grain Remington JHP's that chronographed at about 1450 fps. As an Evidence Tech, I saw the damage that round did to some bad guys in autopsies. It was horrendous. Going to 9mm was in my opinion a mistake. For CCW I understand the semi-auto wins. After retirement, I personally carry a Springfield XDS in .45 ACP. If I knew today I was going to be in a fire fight, the .357 would be my 1st choice. The .40 cal is waning in popularity. Too many smaller cops can't shoot it accurately.

[@Ezees23]

"The .40 cal is waning in popularity. Too many smaller cops can't shoot it accurately"........ That's EXACTLY why there'll be more .40 S&W ammo for me and my Springfield Armory XD-M .40 w/ the 4.5" bbl. IMO, the 165gr .40 S&W ctg is THE ideal round for 4"~5" barrels. Plus, the SA XD-M is a smoooth tack driver too - it's barely any more snappy than a compact 9mm, IMO. That is, with it's inherent full-size weight and/or once you learn to "lean" into it, LOL.....

[@jimmykilgore9360]

Almost all the testers forget that 357 with 125 grain JHPs is when alchemy happens. It is even worse when many test 357 sig with 150 grain instead of 125.

[@matthewbates3908]

Typical fud

[@bruceleroy8063]

Holes kill people. Speed stops people.

[@Cucurú-c9v]

Not around here. Speed never stops these speed freaks. But they never bother me.

[@tomsreviews238]

Love both G20 sf gen3 and GP100 4"

[@burtonkephart6239]

Ruger imo made a superior style of revolver in Gp100 and sp101 with more rugged frame and mostly their unique revolver cylinder frame locking mechanism instead of traditional cylinder stem to barrel locking mechanism . I have a S&W 686 plus and 66 and Ruger sp101 but always use the Ruger !!!

[@jasonshults368]

The main difference between these two cartridges is that one can load the same bullet weight in both and shoot them at the same velocity, though they are very different in diameter. Thus the 357 will out-penetrate the 10mm in all cases, given same bullet construction, weight, and velocity. This is called sectional density. It is king when it comes to penetration.

[@boomerisadog3899]

Sure, but you can find heavier projectiles for 10mm than .357. When using a heavier projectile, 10mm will easily penetrate further than .357 due to having more power overall.

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

The 10mm actually can't push as fast as the 357 at full power.

[@Battleaxegunner]

I absolutely agree. Also, the .357 Magnum is the Reloaders cartridge! I Handload my own .357 Magnum rounds for the woods! And for those who keep wanting to boast and brag that "Oh 10mm Auto is going to blow the doors off of the .357 magnum!", the .357 Magnum has more case capacity for more powder than the 10mm Auto! And you handload up a nice 180 grain or 200 grain Hard cast Lead Flatnose round for the .357 magnum, that's a good bear round too! Also, Alaskan Ballistics and Desert Dog Outdoors has video comparisons on these 2 cartridges. So to all the 10mm fanboys who want to dismiss the .357 as "Antiquited" for today's era of shooting, eat your heart out! .357 Magnum will always hit harder than 10mm Auto in the kinetic energy department! I carry .357 magnum. And I'm happy with it. 125 grain "Thunder bolts" behind 21-22 grains of H110 is the Goldilocks load data for this cartridge! I'm not shitting on 10mm, no doubt it too is a badass round and had the advantage of magazine capacity, but I noticed a trend that hardcore 10mm Auto Fanboys like to shit on other cartridges like .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum just their because their wheelguns!

[@Battleaxegunner]

Also, when you shoot .357 magnum out of a lever gun..it can rival a .30-30 as a Deer round as well out to 100 yards!

[@Hornet135]

@h2s142 yes it is, bullet weight and diameter are what you need to calculate it.

[@douglasmcneil8413]

I'd love to see you do a comparison between a 357 revolver and a 357 rifle

[@fiveowaf454]

357 mag out of a rifle is an amazing round the velocity increase over a revolver can be something like 600fps. With the right ammo you can have a 158 gr bullet at close to 2,000 fps.

[@meanman6992]

We used sand bags in the army for a reason buddy…. Try 4x4” box.

[@jamesrupe3561]

We still use sand bags buddy. 😅

[@dingleberryflosser4438]

The sandy box has been penetrated in other videos. Just ask your mother, she knows.

[@Salamandra40k]

I sorta do and sorta dont understand why he doesnt do a smaller box. A 4x4 would be better for making a judgement, but at the same time, it would probably explode unless REAALLY tightly wrapped. Sand kinds acts like water with bullets, doesnt it? Each particle moving to directing the energy onto all the other particles around it? No wonder its so good at stopping bullets

[@eriklarson9137]

Thankfully you are the only human that served in the Army buddy...........

[@Puazy_7051]

"buddy" roughly translates to "I'm an asshole"

[@brianfalls5038]

WOW!!! Now that my friend is mighty amazing. I've watched a lot of comparison videos like this in the past but I don't think I've ever seen results this close to each other. This was a great test.

[@normanmallory2055]

Great test ! Both are powerful ctgs !! I’ve been a fan of the .357 mag for over 50 years and like the ctg !

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

I got my 1911 in 10 mm because I wanted .357 performance in a semi auto without having to find and pay for a Coonan or a baby Desert Eagle.

[@Rubeless]

TMI

[@stepanbandera5206]

Excellent choice.

[@jonosterman2878]

I have a colt delta but suck with it compared to my Glock 20. I want one of those new Stock Masters from tanfoglio. Imo it’s the best looking handgun on the market, off the shelf.

[@johnappleseed9290]

The ballistics gel test on the .357 mag 😳 wow

[@Rubeless]

Which really matters when being attacked by ballistic gel.

[@Hooknspktr]

@@Rubeless ...or a fat attacker.

[@diamondfox6272]

I'm guessing that round was intended for a rifle...and would've had the energy transfer similar to the pistol 10mm...keep in mind...that's not a penetrating round...if you wanted to do that, both would have other options..lighter...faster...harder...or heavy AF...with a BD core😅

[@TheCanuck1962]

@@Rubeless It matters to bleeding and if you're wearing body armor. . 357 won the contest

[@Hornet135]

@@TheCanuck1962 I’d like to see it repeated with real gel. The 10mm XTP seemed to be driven too fast.

[@fiveowaf454]

There are a number of variables here relating to ammo type and barrel lengths, but one difference I see between my 10mm Pistol and 357 mag revolver is much less muzzle blast/noise with the 10mm round, very noticeable at an indoor range.

[@wickertwm]

.357 is known for penetration. When it first came out they said it could penetrate a car engine block (needed the hype to sell more guns), but the .357 Mag with 125gr JSP is my go to.

[@kfelix2934]

It's not penetrating a car engine block unless it's made out of paper.

[@tk9wtky]

It wasn't for penetrating engine blocks, dawg. It was mainly to keep a consistent ballistic consistency when shooting through car doors.

[@eriklarson9137]

Imagine commenting that on a video where a .357 can't penetrate 1/4" mild steal. Yet here you are acting like it can (in your hands no doubt) out perform a .50 BMG. Oof.

[@onetransmission7871]

Stop arguing. Buy lots of everything and spend time on the range. When the shtf we have to handle the problems

[@j.d.leslie8458]

@@tk9wtkyI believe that was the .38 Super

[@Dayattherange]

You can take a cheap set of feeler gauges from your local automotive store and measure your barrel to cylinder gap though that's not it. I have tested a cylinder gap of .004 and another revolver of .008 and the later turned in greater velocity it's more the load. But thank you for sharing staying safe at the range and most importantly staying safe with your loads.

[@roosterfish3248]

I have done the same test with a dan wesson revolver, and my results were the same as yours. Cylinder gap made no significant difference.

[@timmeinschein]

High Velocity Loads of 10mm are basically a .41 Magnum in a rimless form! Moderate Velocity Loads in 10mm are more of a .45 Auto to .45 Auto +P.....

[@MrBowNaxe]

Rewatching again, trying to get all the parts gathered up for my build. Thanks Don!

[@BrassJeep]

I would say something is off with your 357, I have a 686+ with a 6 inch barrel and with a max charge of H110 from Hodgdon’s website and a Hornady XTP 140 grain I am getting 1556.9 ft./s with a spread of 63.3 a standard deviation of 21.3 equaling to an average kinetic energy of 753.5 foot pounds.

[@targetaps]

Agreed. The velocity he was getting is slow by any standard. Crappy factory ammo I have shot exceeded his hand loads. Either the powder was bad or the gap is off.

[@alfredocuomo1546]

I agree with both of you, even crappy ammo is over 1400ft/sec with hotter loads over 1550ft/sec so maybe end gap or cylinder to forcing cone clearance but notice the large fireballs out the side instead of the end of the barrel.

[@bust3dstr8]

Agreed, a max charge of IMR27 with a 158FN is around 1450fps from a 6” Blackhawk.

[@El_Peto]

I wish you had a reloading shop near me, or a website

[@Beer_Me]

Honestly the first video of yours I've seen. When it comes to guntubers I'm a fan of the big 4 but I like your content. Subbed

[@The_Faceless_Chad]

Great video, shows just how close they are in performance. I was a 357 junkie in my youth, but after owning both calibers, the 15+1 in the Glock is why I sold off all my 357’s years ago. But I did keep my 44 Mag wheel guns. Just something about caliber.

[@The-BCC]

Love what you you doing on this channel. If I could suggest pause the information frames, (like bullet specs) longer so there is enough time to actually hit the pause button to read them. Thank you 🙏

[@DG8RS]

Just have to say I love your review style sir. Keep it snarky!

[@donaldmartin4980]

An added plus is my 16 inch lever gun in .357 Magnum…..with the 125 grain soft points , it runs between 2150 and 2250 FPS….with 180 grain soft points I am still around 1750 FPS. Never had any critter run away from being hit with that , to include large wild pigs …

[@michaelchristiansen1497]

Yea, a rifle barrel really wakes up the 357 & 44 mags. I'm getting an even 2000 fps with a 200 gr/H110 .44 Mag load in my Marlin.

[@Khanclansith]

I am sticking with my 10s

[@scottleggejr]

I always think of varsity blues Billy Bob "a 10! A fkn 10!" 🤣

[@GeeToven]

Facts

[@GB-zi6qr]

Thanks for the video BB!!! Having read some of the comments and the various opinions poking holes in the testing, I would like to point out a few things. 1) Yes, the testing involves 2 different platforms. These are the platforms that are commonly available and the test is therefore sound. A) I'm sure there are folks with the resources or have been able to acquire matching platforms for these two calibers. Fantastic!!!! Unfortunately there are a larger number of folks without these advantages...me included. 2) This is for fun, which I greatly enjoyed!!! 3) Regardless, I'm still looking around for a revolver and lever action in the same caliber. Why? Why not? Having acquired the semi-auto's I'm after, IMO, the revolver is an elegant firearm with functionality and the same for the lever action carbine. Most importantly, I want at least one of each. I appreciate the time, thought and effort that you're putting into these videos. Subbed

[@Daehawk]

Nice video thank you. Love them both. Id take the 10 over the 357 also.

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

I started up doing the Eldin Ring XP Farm Grind, and kept saying out loud "!!IT'S TIME TO GRIND!!", with a deep voice. It was an hour before I noticed I was doing that. Thanks Banana Ballistics,😂😂.

[@Zeus33rd]

I finally decided who you sound like. A young Carl Sagan.

[@DavidLee-to4wz]

he reminds me of ray ramano. and he kind of looks like a young version of him

[@gunpolygamist]

HE SOUNDS LIKE RICK ASHLEY

[@JimmieJoeSparky]

Definitely a voice for radio. Soooo sooooothing.

[@surfingonmars8979]

If they make The Adams Family again, we know who will be playing Lurch.

[@gunpolygamist]

@@surfingonmars8979 HILARIOUS 😂

[@dauton123]

A 38 Supercomp round for USPSA major is typically about 1400FPS with a 124 grain so about the same as a 357 magnum and 9mm major loads are similar and could get more rounds than the 10mm in the mag

[@Diemerstein]

The .357 magnum is a more powerful round than a 10mm, the problem with the .357 magnum is that most guns that shoot it are wheel guns and there is a fair amount of gasses escaping from the cylinder gap giving it about the same performance as the 10mm. Me personally, I would go with the 10mm because it simply holds more rounds, other people would go with a revolver because it's more simple and reliable. I fire my .357 magnum from a rifle, a Rossi R92 with a 20 inch barrel and that packs quite a punch.

[@SogoTX]

Mr. Coonan says hello... (I shot one, and it was frickin' awesome!) ;)

[@miloswanson9646]

My hand-loaded .357 'hunting load' is a hard-cast 158gr SWC-HP at a tad over 1550fps out of an 8" barrel Dan Wesson, with the cyl/barrel gap on the tight side of 'normal' (gotta love the adjustabilty/ability of DW interchangeable barrels!) Yes, it is a bit on the 'hot side' or a near 'max load', but still within spec. The whitetail it has taken have never gone more than three steps from bullet impact. Longest shot was less than 35 yards.

[@bluescatreimer]

I'm going with the 10mm as well.

[@iowa_lot_to_travel9471]

For some reason that sound of the wood settling in slow motion has always been satisfying. Another banger of a video. Thanks. 🔥👍💪🦅🇺🇸🗽

[@fatjeezussouthtexasoutdoor5244]

I did NOT expect the 10mm to have that much more energy than the .357🤯🤯 ....gonna have to buy one of the Hi Point 10mm so i can dip my toes into the "best millimeter " pool

[@YeeLeeHaw]

The .357 Mag should be way more than he got. It's probably the powder he used that messed it up.

[@usa-rb5fi]

Could have been primers too

[@Watchlist_Nominee]

its best mm not caliber, there are many more newer calibers that slap 10mm, 7.5 for example.

[@fatjeezussouthtexasoutdoor5244]

@@Watchlist_Nominee my bad, I always say things wrong lol... 7.5 is pretty high $$ compared to 10mm, not to mention 40s&w that some 10mm pistols can run

[@permagrin8742]

These are fun. Like to see a subsequent shot from each through a heavy jacket. More for projectile performance than the caliber

[@kenny3217]

The first thing I did with my Glock 40 was put a Holosun 501 on it... but the SECOND thing was a Timney trigger. It had a little creep in it at first but nothing a little polishing couldn't fix. Now it is smooth as butter.

[@lucianeldlfam1126]

I ended up here because I conceal carry a .357 magnum. Old school for my age group being 27. Love this video.

[@vernonbarbee1351]

Very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the 10mm. MM's didn't quite perform as well but not everyone carries a mag.🤔

[@usa-rb5fi]

10mm is basically a 40 S&W magnum

[@Darkbeers]

@@usa-rb5fi The 10mm was chosen as the new duty weapon for the FBI, many years ago for it's amazing ballistics. The FBI had completed a study that revealed agents were being killed by (already) fatally wounded perpetrators who were not stopped by a single shot from the 9mm. Unfortunately, some agents had trouble accurately shooting the 10mm that the .40 cal was adopted for a short while. That caliber also was too difficult for some agents to shoot and was set aside as the preferred carry. The ballistic jell test in the video clearly demonstrates why the FBI originally chose the 10mm. It's tragic DEI and political motivations trumped real-world concerns.

[@usa-rb5fi]

I already knew some of the history of 10mm but thanks.

[@organicmaterialsciencecorp6115]

I love this video. I like both the .357 mag and the 10 mm, but when you to a indoor range the .357 mag puts on a light show because of h110 powder, if you load the 10 mm with power pistol powder it does the same both are real fun. Both of these rounds are true creature stoppers it comes down to what you like and shoot the best. I carry a coonan .357 and switch to my 10 mm in sig x10 or Springfield xdm both are great. I collect both calibers , each time a new one is offered i buy them. Great Video sir.

[@edwardweiszbeck1649]

Love your humour in your videos 👍

[@robertrogish1038]

Your content is excellent - your delivery superb - your humor is extraordinary !!! I love your channel.

[@heidiholiday1879]

Congrats for using rest for accurate shot placement--some of the yahoos are pitiful.

[@troyledbetter6597]

I’ve seen a couple of factory loads in the 1400 to 1600fps. Maybe Remington? Thanks phor a great channel.

[@Lorenzo-fw3gx]

Banana, every time I hear you talk, I hear two things. Ray Romano, and Chocolate Rain. Love your vids.

[@danketterer559]

I've always been told to never hold a revolver the way you are holding your 357 at 10:39 because you can get enough blow-by to destroy your fingers. Bad info I received or......

[@tonybaxley7661]

I would like to see how the 10mm matches up against its parent the 41 mag.

[@timothybayliss6680]

I think the 41 would completely crush it. For 200gr loads, handloads are 300+fps faster. Its almost not worth comparing

[@livewire2759]

Considering that the .41 mag was intended to fall about halfway between the .357 and .44 mag, I'd say the .41 would outperform both... even if only slightly.

[@peternorton5648]

So you’re saying that 10mm is 41mag weak??😂😂😂😂 that one is for all the 40 S&W fanboys out there. I own neither so don’t go yelling at me about this.

[@jonosterman2878]

@@timothybayliss6680 it would basically be a scaled up version of the 10mm vs 40sw 😂

[@ScottLovenberg]

The crocs kill me every time. Like, this is your whole day; might as well be comfortable, swag be damned.

[@michaelcote1942]

.460 Rowland for me

[@Stab_Knifewind]

Have one, never fired it.

[@carlsorensen8360]

I noticed you're wearing your Camo Shooting Crocs😂 SWEEEET

[@michaelmorgan9973]

Based upon what we found out about sand with these tests, there is no way in he// a handgun round is getting through that box.

[@livewire2759]

Has he tested a .460 S&W magnum yet?

[@michaelmorgan9973]

@@livewire2759 I'm not sure. However, I haven't seen any rifle cartridges go through the sand. Therefore, I highly doubt any pistol cartridges will.

[@livewire2759]

@@michaelmorgan9973 I thought he had a rifle round go through the sand a while back, but I don't remember which caliber. Maybe I'm just thinking of the one that split the box though... Either way, the 460 probably won't go through, since higher velocity usually results in fragmenting projectiles... but I'd still like to see him try it, maybe with some hard cast lead bear loads...

[@michaelmorgan9973]

@livewire2759 that might work.

[@firefuzz1]

At one time I had a Coonan .357 Mag autoloader. Using the exact same ammo in a 6" 586 S&W and the Coonan the round from the Coonan completely penetrated a piece, I can't remember the thickness, of Lexan bullet-proofing plastic whereas the same ammo fired from the only "bubbled" the backside. The velocity lost due to the cylinder gap in a revolver is more than we think. I did not have access to a chronograph at the time but I sure wish I did.

[@FiveSlow]

357 Sig has entered the chat

[@jutde]

And promptly filled its diaper before leaving.

[@wesadrian6981]

@@jutde😂😂😂

[@FiveSlow]

@@jutde that made me laugh..

[@realmofrandom3696]

10MM is also typically cheaper overall. also, the cause for the soft fps cap you saw on the revolver could be due to the cylinder gap and pressure. in a semi auto the only way for pressure to escape the barrel is through the muzzle, or rupturing the barrel. excess pressure can escape via the cylinder gap of a revolver once the bullet has left the chamber. which limits how much pressure can be applied to the projectile as the cylinder gap is the path of least resistance.

[@glenspryszak6005]

That's some pretty lame .357 ammo at 1250-1300 fps.

[@bluesteeltraining]

I was having a similar issue with the 357 mag out of a Cimmeron replica of the Colt Thunderer 3 3/4” barrel. Switched to Underwood 150 grain and got approximately 1500 fps.

[@larrysaavedra3418]

A 10 millimeter is what you want for the city. A 357 is what you need for bears . The 357 is still gaining sped at a short distance. At about 25 yards is where you want to test the 357 for performance. Had my 686 smith on a 5 inch barrel 7 shot for 22 years now and never go into mountains with it

[@grubb910]

No bullet is going to gain speed once it leaves the barrel. It's not a rocket. All the energy that can be used to accelerate the bullet exists in the gun. Once it exits the gun, it is only going to slow down. You might still be getting a "little" push in the few inches after the muzzle, but nowhere near meters.

[@tristantimothy1004]

Larry, The 10mm is taking over Alaska for one major reason. It stops bears. Putting the " Big bore" guys to shame. Course thats with proper bear Ammo. Not that standard watered down factory crap.

[@preferredcustomer8273]

15rds vs. 6-7rnds

[@larrysaavedra3418]

15 rounds in a 10 ?? Definitely getting one 🤙

[@tristantimothy1004]

Larry, Sorta. A 10 is almost a 41 mag w the right loads. Bit more thump than the 357. Bit much for the city. A 40 would be better in town. Course, w the watered down factory 10 loads there's not much difference & you can shoot 40s in a 10. In the woods, definitely bear thumpers loads. The Underwood & Buffalo bore bear loads for the 357 are nothing to sneeze at either. Only problem w the revolvers is limited round count. 15 beats 6-7 anyday. On the UPside w revolvers, one doesn't have to worry about getting ones peice shoved out of battery w an in your face, muzzle shoved hard into the bears chest incident. ( more common than one might think.) Add, multiple bear attacks are pretty rare. Ideally the shot in the bears FACE ( where they're brains at) w just about any caliber will do the trick. Check out Phil Schumachers 9 mm grizzly bear kill. Not a head shot in the bunch but still stopped a small, client attacking griz w the right loads. ( Luck, skill or Divine intervention, take your pick.) 😁

[@EJ-Mac]

the world needs more of this guy

[@roquri]

10mm = best mm.

[@bbaz6729]

I originally purchased a GP100 with the 6 inch barrel for "bears" and such in the outback, but after shooting it; went to the M&P performance center 10mm. No comparison with rounds on target, or number of rounds on target in the same time frame. When I'm in bear country, the 10mm is all I carry. I recommend Underwood hardcast. :)

[@BamaShinesDistillery]

I see your 10mm and raise you .460 Rowland

[@polishjack1984]

I have the same problem with my 686+. Every time I try to develop a load for it I can't get any reasonable reading from my Garmin or my ancient Crony. Readings are always get SDs in the 55 to 65 FPS range and spreads of 150 to 200 FPS. I double checked my loading using a TC Contender and the loads are consistent and repeatable. I've given up using velocity data for loading my 636+ and just take the precision of the groups on target, primer condition, and difficulty extracting when developing loads for it. My S&W 629 does not have the same problem as the 686+.

[@jagrench62]

Both calibers are underloaded. The 357 and 10 are both wicked in their original loading. I collected 10mms and my first box of 10mm was a Federal loading with a lead bullet loaded to 40 ballistics.

[@leftyo9589]

98% of factory loaded 10mm just duplicates the 40, but at a higher price. a properly loaded 10 is a beast, but sadly most of the 10mm ammo found on the shelves at the store, aint it!

[@GunsBlazingRanch]

Awesome video. That first wound channel in three gel is insane.

[@deanhoward4128]

I don't own a 10.mm. but I do own a 686- .357 ! It would help in your videos, if we knew the target distance & info on what bullet types you are using in the gun comparisons.

[@TyinAlaska]

I'm really happy with my 10mm S&W M&P 2.0 4.6. It's my bear protection weapon. I like the follow up capability... If I ever get the chance.

[@gurthnog]

I was wondering this exact question the other day. Thank you, love your work!

[@AnotherWS6]

5:03 That's a fun fact. I like this guy, he just gets down to business and tests the S in the description without a bunch of other nonsense going on.

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

I wish I had found this channel sooner. These are the exact questions and newbie like me needs to know. Two Glock 10 mm on shoulder holsters are what I carry for my job with a 380 backup.

[@jeffmiller-f4f]

In most if not all of your tests, it is the material amalgamation, overall engineering and weight, of the projectile that makes the most difference when combined with velocity.

[@MrBDUB450]

H110 is a very tricky powder. Needs to be run at max, and sometimes max is not enough to get it to burn cleanly and consistently. Were you getting oily soot on your 686 or was it burning clean? If it was oily, even if it was a max load, you werent getting enough pressure to get a clean consistent burn. Sometimes you can help H110 with a tighter crimp to let a little more pressure build before the bullet gets moving.

[@IFB489]

My old woods carry gun was my 4in 686. I loved it even protected me but major draw back was ease of use at night. And ammo capacity. I switched to the 10mm with the kkm barrel one I can get 1200fps with a 200gr or 220gr hard cast and two I can mount a flash light to it. Walking back to camp at dusk in bear country it's a big help. Now I still carry my 686 even my 629 .44mag still great guns but if I'm packing into my hunt area or I know I'll be out past dark I bring my g20. Having 16 plus rounds of 220 buffalo bore or underwood hard cast on tap is a confidence booster.

[@ericdraper4023]

Dude you're doing this test in crocs, that's absolutely PEAK PERFORMANCE!

[@ernestgeorge862]

From reviewing the video, I would say that penetration aside, the concrete blowing away was more dramatic with the .357 than the.40 cal.