22LR vs 17 HMR vs 22 MAG: Never Would’ve Guessed

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On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of the 22 LR to the 17 HMR and the 22 Magnum on 5 different targets. Each target is worth 20 points (winner takes all), for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 50 yards. Steel is A529 grade 55 mild steel. 1 inch = 25.4 mm. Thanks for watching!
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[@jerkulese4764]

What you don't see is the 22lr bouncing around inside the box of sand. Some say it's still bouncing around to this day

[@dominuslogik484]

By far the longest standing piece of fudd lore.

[@bananaballistics]

I’m afraid to open it up lol

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

@@bananaballistics What you got also going is Pointed or Spitzer versus Wad Cutter or Conical. Sharp points cut and are made to penetrate through targets, whereas Wad Cutters and Conicals are made to dump their energy right after hitting the targets.

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

@@bananaballistics Some Ammo Manufacturer makes a Jacketed 22 LR.

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Facts!

[@siciliancapeverde4646]

The .17 HMR is definitely no slouch. A .17 caliber bullet, the size of a .177 caliber pellet. Penetrating a 1/4 in of mild steel, is quite impressive. Great video brother. Love the channel.

[@CS-zn6pp]

17 HMR is a modern cartridge. It's a great varmint cartridge.

[@d.parker6424]

When shooting a .17 HMR, you need to consider wind speed much more than any .22 cal.

[@cm7032004]

Thought it was an eighth of an inch

[@allanj4576]

@@cm7032004closer to 3/16”

[@stevehartlieb]

It was 1/8in and wind speed starts to become an issue at 150-200 yards

[@wintersage6895]

Something that folks should remember, is that the bullet type will affect your penetration. Those hollow points are designed to expand upon hitting a hard/firm surface vs the first .17HMR had a point that's designed for going deep into the target, regardless of the hardness. Those rounded nose .22s on the other hand, are designed to give you a more kinetic mass that gives you an in-between of the hollow point and the pointed (but given enough gunpowder will penetrate just as deep). So if you want a more accurate comparison, always remember to keep the bullet type the same when possible.

[@Fordgroup00]

Yep

[@mightyjoeyoung1390]

Literally everything you just took all that time to type is incorrect.

[@KyleTysver]

@@mightyjoeyoung1390So bullet composition has no effect on penetration? Interesting.

[@wintersage6895]

@@KyleTysver betcha he can't even list 3 common types of metal combinations used in bullets and what they're intended for without using Google.

[@StC-j5k]

@@mightyjoeyoung1390 ok champ ... enlighten us, or will you ghost us because you know less than f#ckall

[@BaronMorte]

Ray Romano doing an ammo test lol. Strong work brother.

[@jeremymcauliff8485]

I've had a 22 Magnum since 2002. Love that caliber! It punches well above it's weight class.

[@randybeard6040]

I have a Farmer Friend that has killed many Deer with his 22 Magnum while Harvesting his crops from a Combine..

[@walterfoster5682]

I had a friend up in pa.that killed a big buck with his 17 at 50 yds.

[@asasquatchwithinternet6846]

I like how the comments are felonies 😂😂

[@johnjones4376]

Farmer on his land. How is that a felony?

[@relicpathfinder2800]

​@@asasquatchwithinternet6846 I like how you imply you know the laws of every place on earth.

[@normanmallory2055]

Great tests ! I’ve used the .22 WMR for years and have always liked the performance of it !

[@life_of_riley88]

One thing us airgunners know is that .22 out penetrates .25, and .177 out penetrates .22 when shooting slugs(bullets) from our high power airguns. It's sometimes referred to as the "ice picking" effect. Less frontal area for similar energy= more penetration.

[@rob6850]

That's what *he* said.

[@life_of_riley88]

@@rob6850 😆

[@michaelforrester9963]

Sorry couldn’t hear you over our firearms here in the us 😂 good luck with your air rifles

[@life_of_riley88]

@@Krobear So for comparison, a 40 grain .22 bullet @ 950fps will penetrate far less than a 40 grain .177 bullet @ 950 fps. We like to stay under the transonic range with our slugs(bullets), as that's where best BC and lest wind drift are for lower powered projectiles.

[@life_of_riley88]

@@michaelforrester9963 I'm in the US! You should check out some of the current high powered PCP airguns, I have a .30 cal that shoots a 50 grain bullet at around 1000 fps. Pretty fun.

[@bluecordprecisiongrading2504]

I have all 3 and I LOVE my 17HMR. I bought mine in 2003 when I was home on leave and it was a new thing back then. I got lucky and bought the Marlin 17V which turned out to arguably be the best platform for that cartrdge! I taught my sons how to shoot with that rifle

[@abadran8174]

I've been waiting for someone with all three or Atleast 22wmr and 17hmr. I got a question I'd really appreciate you answering; We know 17hmr would perform better ballistically but how about a 100 yard coyote shot. I dropped one with a side shoulder shot from 22wrm but I'm wondering could a 17hmr do it? Could it do it better? And while you're at it I'd love to know whichof the two is louder? Thank you, brother

[@wasntme3651]

The 17 is worth getting for sure. Can keep it in a quarter size group over a hundred yards all day easy Peezy

[@bluecordprecisiongrading2504]

I did an insane amount of testing on this cartridge on my Marlin and would be have valuable information if I were making videos of that back then@@wasntme3651

[@abadran8174]

@@wasntme3651 I believe you, brother. You can do even better than that with a nice airgun. I'm concerned with terminal performance at that 100yd and beyond. I'd sure appreciate experience and any help on this one.

[@bluecordprecisiongrading2504]

I would have to set up a calibrated sound meter for that. As far as the most effective at 100 yards, there are numerous 17HMR loads that I've used in my testing going back to 2004. There are several different types of polymer tips from different manufacturers, FMJ and Hollow Points as well. FMJ were the least accurate according to my testing. As far as power, that can be figured out fairly closely using velocity and BC@@abadran8174

[@todglenn2707]

I used to shoot 17HMR as my primary short range varmint gun, but any wind can really throw that light bullet around. 22 WMR bucks the wind better and I've switched to 22 mag. But when it comes to accuracy, .22 LR is hard to beat. There's been decades of development of precision 22LR ammo. Pick your cartridges based on what you need.

[@mikelsworld74]

If the 22 Mag had a spire point like the 17 HMR I'm sure it would have gone through the plywood

[@Porschedoctor1]

Leave the ballistic data windows up longer so we can read the data!

[@terrywelch-gk4xm]

you CAN slow these down, and there is a pause button also

[@taraswertelecki3786]

The tests against the wood, steel and ballistic gelatin makes clear that a .HMR and .22 rim fires are not to be underestimated in their ability to kill.

[@survivaloptions4999]

If anyone steals my identity they are going to be so disappointed.

[@Rexolaboy]

Hilarious 😂

[@ronreyes9910]

Had someone steal mine, they gave it back with a sympathy card.

[@survivaloptions4999]

@ronreyes9910 My credit so bad most places stopped taking my cash.

[@survivaloptions4999]

@ronreyes9910 My credit so bad most places stopped taking my cash.

[@survivaloptions4999]

​@ronreyes9910 My credit so bad most places stopped taking my cash.

[@kevanhubbard9673]

I can believe that the .17 HMR went straight through that big block of wood as it's going at proper rifle velocities.

[@francislutz8027]

It's the only Speer type projectile of course it's going to penetrate deeper than a hollowpoint .22lr and a wadcutter .22wmr. It really isn't even a half ass comparison, all 3 are completely different compositions and type of projectile with vastly different designs. All this video did was show you how a .17hmr of that factory load performs in that wooden medium

[@Magnum_Express]

@@francislutz8027 The variances in bullet styles isn't the fault of the presenter of this video. It's a manufacturer thing. 22LR comes mostly in solid lead, sometimes that lead is hollow, sometimes coated in copper. Every 17 round available these days is either a hollow point or a ballistic tip with the odd fmj or flat nosed jacketed "spire point". The 22 mag comes in a wider choice with hollow points, soft points , ballistic tips, etc. The reason for this is you can't drive solid lead bullets to the magnum level velocity that the 22 mag and 17hmr produce. Thats why their bullets are copper jacketed. To give a true apples to apples comparison, you'd have to shoot all 3 with ammo that doesn't exist.

[@irishkelly654]

@@Magnum_Express - Great reply. Boy...waiting for francislutz to respond...the crickets sure are a chirping?! LOL...

[@damonhebert5096]

Use FMJ 22 mag to truly compare it to 17HMR. I have both 22 mag and 17 HMR I should just trade or sale the 17 due to it have use to me.

[@ericb.4358]

I have a RUGER 96/22 magnum lever gun (yes, RUGER once made a few lever guns) and a RUGER Single Six with a 22 mag cylinder always in it. .22 WMR is a very powerful rimfire cartridge. Not up to 5.7 x28 but still powerful.

[@mediocreman2]

Ruger is now making lever action guns again under the Marlin brand.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@mediocreman2 Ruger owns the company, but they are still Marlin rifles. Ruger itself made lever actions at one time.

[@daleharvey3278]

Owning the 96.. you lucky bàs..... I have a 77 , but I wish my wallet would have allowed me to afford all the 96 cals

[@jacobshelt01]

I have a 22 and a 22 magnum rifle. I never thought to get a 17 caliber but because of this video I will probably buy one now. Thank you for the knowledge.

[@francislutz8027]

There was no knowledge in this video. All 3 factory loads have vastly different projectiles, of course the hardest metal with the most conical shape .17hmr is going to outperform a hollowpoint .22lr and a wadcutter .22wmr

[@dontworrybout2664]

@@francislutz8027multiple other videos show the 17hmr has better ballistics than the other two. Fud

[@exothermal.sprocket]

And the cleaning rod and brushes you'll need for 17. Also I think 17 is more apt to foul sooner due to the geometrically tiny bore.

[@britishbulldog8966]

I avoided 22LR for the longest time, and 17HMR even longer…but when I found 17WSM the scales fell from my eyes. Now I’m a rimfire junky. Centrefire is still where I live, but it’s fun to step out for a little strange every now and again. Cheers from Canada.

[@irishkelly654]

Where are you finding ammo for that WSM?

[@britishbulldog8966]

@@irishkelly654 Just in my basement at the moment. It’s rare as hens’ teeth at the moment.

[@irishkelly654]

@@britishbulldog8966 - I looked at one several months ago and a friend said great as long as you don't want to shoot it, LOL.. Obviously meaning the scarcity of ammo. So, I have not bought one as yet and will have to stick with the .17 HMR. I do have a .204 Ruger (CZ 527 Varmint) so I'll live, LOL. Cheers...

[@harolddavis4138]

😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@ryancrazy1]

@@irishkelly654 hows the accuracy on the 204 ruger? i want to get a 204

[@TechandTools1]

You have one of the best, if not the best channels for testing different calibers of ammo. I click every time I see one. Keep up the great work, i always enjoy watching and seeing the results 👍👍👍

[@elektro3000]

This was a lot of fun but leaving out the CCI Velocitor seems like a major oversight!

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

A super-easy way to see into clear ballistics gel: pour a little water over the top surface of the gel and then place a piece of clear acrylic or polycarbonate on it. This makes the rippled surface of the gel 'disappear' and gives you a clearer look into the center.

[@JaenEngineering]

While that may be equally as effective as using a blowtorch, it's nowhere near as cool!

[@rayduke7433]

HMR was a definite winner on the 1” concrete. My Savage HMR shoots darts at 100 yards! Love it.

[@grinch45]

I'm a Remington 5mm man as still have my rifle from 1971 and lots of ammo and not going to run out anytime soon.. 22Mag beat it out and 5mm went obsolete. But at the time period, the 5mm bullet was superior to 22Mag as they were still just using the same bullets as 22LR. Having a 5mm, the ammo was 5x more expensive and my dad forced me to buy my own, we learn shot discipline and not out shooting everything like the 22LR guys so. I love the loud crack of 5mm

[@glennllewellyn7369]

They really need to bring it back. BIG TIME.

[@9529mm]

Aguila makes the 5mm with a 30 gr bullet. Original Rem 5mm were 38 gr. Aguila rounds are fine in my rifle and can take care of my woodchuck problem when needed!

[@carlmason6572]

Aguila made. Haven't seen any in years. Unfortunately my first firearm, Remington 591, and about 2000 rounds of the Aguila ammo were lost in a house fire four years ago. I sure miss that rifle; it was hell on coyotes.

[@harmonsimmons6194]

Kudos to you sir!!! My first rifle, that I worked hard through the summer to earn money for, was a Remington Model 591 magazine fed 5mm Remington Magnum. I found it in a local gunsmith/dealer's gun rack and immediately fell in love with it. My father allowed me to purchase this rifle and I felt like I could take on any animal on any continent with it. I owned it for several years, but finding ammo for it was difficult and the price at nearly $6.00 per box of 50 rounds, was a bit above my budget as a young person. I still own 1/2 box of original Remington ammo for it. Dear Lord, I loved that little rifle!!! Thank you for the memories.

[@jimm2099]

I had a Remington 5mm RMR growing up, that was a kick-but rimfire. I loved that rifle, too bad they stopped making ammo.

[@JeremyCulbreath]

Thanks for making the point about not relying on rimfire. I tend to get maybe 1 dud in 10k rounds plinking and hunting. But don't forget that defensive rounds also get a lot of movement, moisture, and temperature variation as you carry them, potentially knocking the priming compound out of the rim.

[@woodworkerroyer8497]

If 22lr beats anything I'm going to be very upset at physics...

[@Roadking556]

I'm not a fan of the 17. I know there are some big fans for this round. I just know I went head to head with a few who worshipped this round. And beat them every time in the real world of taking game in all kinds of rough weather.

[@rob6850]

Bounces around and liquefies the organs, bro.

[@dominuslogik484]

@@rob6850 ah that is some peak fud lore, no bullet bounces around inside of a body because its full of liquid, it will ricochet at least once and travel in roughly a straight line unless it is going very fast in which case it may curve inside of a body.

[@gunnermurphy6632]

I'd be willing to bed money it would beat 22 short and cb caps

[@ctsnider88]

😅

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Lot of people don't realize a .22wmr rifle has the same fpe (power) as a compact 9mm pistol with basic ammo- they are both in the low 300fpe range. Also, on soft targets, .22wmr penetrates much further than .17hmr lol.

[@Patrick-857]

That's because 17hmr dumps it's energy faster and does more damage. .22 bullets have a habit of going straight through a small critter, 17hmr splatters them and doesn't go any further. Typical behaviour of a small high velocity projectile vs a heavier slower moving one producing similar energy.

[@mongosafariadventure]

Glad my favorite rimfire (22 WMR) made a halfway good showing. I ordered and received a few of the Banana Ballistics t-shirts. A big hit at the gun range. I forgot to order a sticker for my range box.

[@jimnagel5611]

ME TOO - THE 22 MAG WITH 40 GR SOLIDS IS A KILLER -- BUT I DO HAVE A 17 HMR TOO -- BUT USE THE 22 MAG EXCLUSIVELY ON ARMADILLOS -- WORKS BETTER THAN THE 17 IN MY EXPERIENCE

[@chrisdaniel1339]

The results are not a surprise: The kinetic energy formula is KE = 1/2 * M * V^2, M=mass, V=velocity This means that if you double the velocity e.g. bullet, KE increases 4 times with the same mass. While doubling mass of a bullet only increases KE by 2 times. The 17HMR was double the velocity of the 22LR, and the 22WMR was 500fps slower than the 17HMR A smaller diameter bullet has less friction both in the air and passing through an object e.g. it takes less force to pass a needle through a heavyweight piece of canvas vs using a pencil, it takes less energy to push wood or steel out of the path of the bullet allowing clean pass throughs.

[@jasonlynch9665]

Wow Jim Bob dun goods ins math is class

[@einarhornraiser9019]

Wow! I didn't expect these results.. I'd have bet the farm .22WMR would be freeway exits ahead of either of the other two. Looks like I'm sleepin' on .17HMR! I definitely got taken to school with this video!

[@donnapablos8752]

We love the 17 home I have taken down coyotes at 260 yds with it . We have not got the .22 out of the safe since getting 17 hmr in over 12 years. Thank you very much for this video Don And Donna north idaho

[@benyatrock]

Hmm, are you sure about the 260 yards? A 17hmr round at that range would probably have less than 50 lbs-ft of energy. That's pretty light for a coyote sized varmint. Heck, it's light even for a wood chuck. Where did you hit your coyote? The eternal or the temple area?

[@wasntme3651]

@@benyatrock You would be surprised lol. The 17 is a badass hot little round.

[@myrond3588]

Same. After I got my 17 I haven't shot any of my 22s.

[@jordanhorst6]

it'd be cool to see underwood make a .22wmr extreme defender solid copper or brass round.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Lehigh Defense actually makes those projectiles. Underwood also loads Barnes copper bullets in a few products. Cutting Edge Bullets actually makes a hand-loadable .22LR cartridge using copper spire pointed bullets. Nothing for .22wmr however.

[@NemrahG]

I’ve owned all 3 and they are all great cartridges! My only complaint with the 17hmr is that it get dirty really quick, so its not a great choice if you do a lot of target shooting. Still it is a fantastic hunting cartridge and would recommend it for that any day!

[@victorwaddell6530]

The downside of the 17 HMR is that gets bucked around in the wind more .

[@irishkelly654]

Sure it isn't your ammo choice? Buy a bore snake, quick and easy (temporary clean) at the range or in the field.

[@NemrahG]

@@irishkelly654 noo i tried a bunch of different ammos. The bore is just so narrow that even normal amounts of fouling will constrict the bore quicker and cause pressure issues sooner. I also didn’t have this issue with just 17hmr but with 17 hornet as well. With 17 caliber guns you gotta clean them more often and make sure to use a copper solvent every once in a while. But with a clean gun Ive never had issues with either round and fantastic accuracy, especially with the 17 hornet.

[@NemrahG]

@@victorwaddell6530 honestly ive never found it any worse than the 22wmr with the wind. Its just so fast and its BC is better so it just cuts thru the air.

[@irishkelly654]

@@NemrahG - Not sure what to tell you? I've had my CZ452 in .17HMR for 20 years and never had this problem and I've shot thousands upon thousands of rounds in that time. Twice a year I use rod, mop and patches, the rest of the time just the bore snake (I use two, one with solvent and the other to clear out). That's why I asked about your ammo. I have .204 Ruger, not much bigger than.17 but again, never had issues you speak of?

[@mfuchs2004]

Overpenetration means the round isnt disipating its energy in the target. That generally means a smaller permanent wound path and less trauma. The most effective round is typically the round that dissipates the most joules in the target.

[@midlbrwn15]

If physics has taught me anything, the 17hmr would actually dump more energy faster whereas the heavier projectiles would retain more energy while simultaneously having more to deliver.

[@midlbrwn15]

The only reason 17hmr penetrates so much is because of the smaller surface area creating a much smaller point for the energy to be transfered and absorbed by the target (and the velocity). Similar effect to the dudes who can throw a needle through glass without breaking it.

[@mfuchs2004]

@midlbrwn15 correctly stated. That's why overpenetration is bad. The round leaves the target with energy unspent. Regardless of caliber and bullet type, a round that stops within its target has left 100% of its energy inside that target. Fast, slow, light, heavy is meaningless. It's joules dissipated that counts the most, followed by wound path. That's why hollowpoints are used for defense - not because they cause more injury from petals, but because they stop inside the target nearly 100% of the time. Same for hard nose flat tips for bears. A 22 magnum has nearly 40% more energy than a 17 HMR. If they both stop in the target the 22 magnum wins every single time.

[@mfuchs2004]

@midlbrwn15 yes. Unfortunately, it often goes right through small game leaving energy unspent. Your example of throwing a needle through glass is outstanding. This only works because the needle doesn't leave enough energy in the pane to shatter it. In fa t, they don't actually penetrative the glass at all. The needle strike simply causes the glass to spall.

[@RobFraser-w1b]

Energy is not delivered to Target with 17 cal. Lol

[@BadBoy-tn2yx]

Great video. Informative. And since I just bought a 17hmr I’m even more excited about the round. Definitely testing it on different material

[@squrlguts46]

The squirrel on my profile picture was done by a 17 hmr

[@cornellkirk8946]

.17hmr is a phenomenal round!

[@Millzspec]

Just did a side by side test of these three and the 5.7. 17 hmr has been my favorite for a couple years and performed better than all three in my test

[@daddyrabbit4u2c55]

Mine2

[@merc6]

17 hmr is no joke but I'd still stick with the 22 magnum.

[@reconrc1787]

That massive muzzle brake on your 17 HMR is a trip. 😅 Do you really feel like it's doing anything to help mitigate some of that heavy recoil?

[@edgarsmittenheighnjenkson9226]

It looks cool though.😂

[@SeersantLoom]

I've shot 17HMR with silencer. Was prepared for some more recoil and little bang but there wasn't much. On subjective scale - less recoil than 22LR.

[@donalddarbonne779]

Bahaha!

[@joshrandall3632]

No, but it definitely protects the crown of the muzzle. For me, that makes it well worth it.

[@JustinTheMan369]

I think a lot of the penetration test results come from the construction and shape of the projectile. The 17 hmr has a sharper point design and look to have a more robust jacket. My $.02, FWIW.

[@markchapman2585]

Love you're channel you have a great sense of humor. Keep up the great work. Cheers from Canada 🍻

[@marcosdenizatrailhiker2037]

The 17 HMR round is so small it slips between the molecules of the wood as though they weren’t even there.

[@marcosdenizatrailhiker2037]

Agreed!

[@joetedesco63]

I knew the 17 her would puncture that 6x6. Love the 17 HMR

[@mikepaul2485]

It would be interesting to see how the 17 Winchester super Magnum would do.

[@aberodrigue5916]

Funny to see this, I get to see this video. And just a few minutes later am asking the same question? What about the 17 WSM?

[@texas66]

Maybe he's saving the 17WSM to go against the 9mm Flobert.... 😮 Nevermind, I forgot Flobert is a shotshell ....

[@russellmerritt9935]

I have one it's in a different league. 600 feet faster than the hmr

[@Blakes_Makes]

Love your channel man! So cool to see how different rounds behave!

[@OrvilleGilmanIii]

In pellet guns we found the 177 to be a superior caliber for killing grouse and ptarmigan. The 177 pellets always put them down due to that penetration. The 22 consistently bounced off as opposed to penetrating. Worked but the 177 was more consistent.

[@user-rn5ks8sf5x]

That was an interesting test. Guess we can call .17HMR the “Pine Slayer”!

[@dankjankings7339]

The things it punches holes in will blow your mind and the range and accuracy with good conditions(no wind) is crazy.

[@onemoremisfit]

I use the CCI .17HMR 17gr Varmint Tip from a Savage bolt action rifle for groundhogs at 40 yds. CCI calls this their A-17 round, according to CCI it is rated at higher velocity to optimize reliable function in the Savage A-17 rifle, which I don't have. CCI rates the muzzle velocity at 2650, so it's gonna shoot pretty flat. Head shots send the groundhogs straight to paradise regardless of whether any shadow was seen. The varmint tip does not penetrate, it frags. I see about 3" of penetration in animal flesh and massive tissue damage. Also nice is this round is not terribly loud and I don't need hearing protection shooting it outdoors. .17 HMR is a wicked little round, I like it a lot.

[@onemoremisfit]

@@robv1257 Yeah I like my Savage bolt action a lot. It has a stainless heavy barrel, a fine trigger, a nice looking laminated wood thumbhole stock and it didn't cost a fortune. The only issue is it's lefty and the stock won't allow ambidextrous shooting so 90% of shooters can't use it without first changing the stock. I found it at a gun show in 2015 and snapped it up. I put a decent bipod and a decent but inexpensive scope on it and it shoots fine. Real nice rifle for the money. I have 10 rd mags for it but it could be a single shot for my purpose. For varmints at shorter range with .17HMR you pretty much can't miss.

[@hickboyjusthick698]

I really like the addition of the gel test

[@Turbogto_guy]

Nice test but mini mag would be the last cartridge I would have used for this test. Try a federal punch, stinger, or a solid point Aguila super maximum. Oops. Posted before watching the whole thing (stinger)

[@user-lo6cf3df1x]

The seventeen h m r is a precision shooting round at a little farther distance and more flat shootin, Each has their pros and cons

[@geckotheben447]

My experience .22Lr is just weak, .17HMR has a lot of penetration, .22Mag has a lot of energy it wants to get rid of, but they used to be loaded hotter.

[@greybone777]

In what years? I'm 67 and have no memory of what you're saying.

[@young-salt]

Sorry, young-gun. Only us 1500's kids know about it, its a bit before your time

[@gentrywilliams4255]

Bought a Keltec PMR-30 a few years ago and I was impressed enough to daily carry it for a couple years. Having 30+1 rounds of 22 mag in a pistol is definitely a plus but my favorite thing was the low recoil allowing you to put several accurate shots in quick succession. Got a flash reducer because in low light situations it would be like a camera flash in your face without it and having a little more length on the barrel itself didn't hurt. Carry a XD in 45 ACP now so definitely a swing in the other direction but still has 15+1.

[@bogusphone8000]

This Terry guy is a great add to the channel. He really brings the entertainment level way up. 😉

[@chrissewell1608]

That .17 HMR has got the balistic tip pointy end, that does add towards Penetration!

[@tundranomad]

Now THIS is the test of the century.

[@StrangersIteDomum]

Should have included 556, 57, TCM...

[@JohnDoe-zr8tq]

Was hoping to see the King of the rimfires, the 17wsm added to the mix to see how it performs. I've personally shot it though 3/16th a36 steel plate at about 10m. It left a much disproportionately larger then caliber sized hole with a huge amount of curled up steel on the front side. However it failed to penetrate on 1/4 plate of the same composition in my hillbilly tests lol

[@liberty7835]

17 fmj yes ! Any outher fragments on impact ! Accurate shot placement on all ! Did the same test on a car door 17fmj went trough and into outher door!

[@jessesando8582]

The .17 is underrated. good for some things, terrible for others. I took a rabbit with one a few days ago and the HP really ripped it up, no good. But for raccoons, groundhogs, and other pests you aren't taking for meat, its a killer to get through thick skin/fur/fat. Also shoots very flat, but has a terrible BC obviously because of its weight. Inside 100 with no wind, its a beast.

[@ericbergfield6451]

I'm sure someone mentioned it, but to make your Gel Blocks clearer, use a "heat gun" to melt the outsides to be smooth

[@robertvandever8923]

Yo Barry White wants that voice back...

[@lukebaehr3851]

He definitely doesn't look like the kind of guy that has that voice. it's kind of badass

[@bootsandall3612]

Comparing different calibres is fun. We need to see different bullets in the same calibre.

[@Grooove_e]

Before watching I will guess 17 HMR will win

[@tundranomad]

Same

[@kevinelsdon273]

The most unscientific, the most non-repeatable results, yet more fun than that! Thanks! Keep having fun! Subscribing!

[@stephenparchewski1998]

For punching paper: .22 lr For punching paper at extended range: 17 hmr For punching small game: .22 mag As much as people talk about the .17 hmr performance for hunting, the extra bullet mass is what gives the .22 mag extra stopping power.

[@kubanskiloewe]

This !!

[@RobertMillican-h1l]

You did use the 22LR Stinger, but i would offer the CCI Volicitor is a more powerful round for the 22LR. It is a bit slower @ 1465fps but it is a 40gr round. I find its performance on sage rats is much better than the stinger's 👍

[@airair862]

Mosin nagant rifle - test. 😍💪💯✋🌍.

[@The_Redneck_Shane]

I love and keep all 3 calibers in rotation. How I feel on the squirrel hunt determines which I bring. I have to say, I enjoy your visual on this! But I still don't know which I'd prefer if i could only have one

[@jwhitaker81]

I've done this test. .17 HMR is an awesome round, I love the lil' fella. .17HMR pops a hole through a road sign like you drilled it with a drill press. Perfect little hole, sweet!

[@roymattison3515]

There is a High Power 17HMR too, it is called CCI A17 I bet it has a very good chance on your 3/16" mild steel!

[@roymattison3515]

A17's are 17 grain at 2650 FPS giving an Energy of 265 Ft-LBS, ve the Hornady V-Max.17 ammo is 17 grain going 2550 with Energy of 245 FT-Lbs, Win Super X 20 grain Game Point (looks like a low depth hollow point) traveling at 2375 gives an Energy of 229 Ft-Lbs , ...20 Ft-Lbs, 36 Ft-Lbs could make a difference when the hole is so tiny! What is needed here is a FMJ.

[@johnbergmann2896]

Observing the 22LR is a great illustration as to why mild steel targets are bad for use, see how the round comes nearly straight back from the recoil off the metal? Bigger bullets can do that too, don't get yourselves killed out there. He is doing it right with the shield though.

[@morrius0757]

Dude looks like the nerds who got stuffed in lockers but sounds like the jocks who stuffed those nerds into them. lol

[@adf360]

I made my own DIY gelatin about 10 years ago from a KZbin video. I'm still using the same gelatin to this day. It's room temperature stable, doesn't need to be refrigerated, just keep it in a sealed container. A couple of key things, never cook/overheat it when remelting it back down and remolding it. If you 'cook' it, then it can/will spoil like a food product. Second, the recipe needs to include glycerin, this is what holds the moisture/acts as the preservative. Over the years you'll occasionally need to add a little distilled water & a few drops of glycerin from the natural loses that occur from repeated heat cycles. I made enough to fill two 5 gallon buckets and it cost me roughly $80 (back in the day). I was using it for casting detailed items, only later did I try shooting it and the results made me smile :).

[@garylisewski3130]

How did u cast with this?

[@adf360]

@@garylisewski3130 You suspend the item you wish to cast into the gelatin when it's liquid. Once solidified, pull/pop it out, pour in your choice of medium, silicone is best. Typically, I carve what I need out of wax, then coat it with latex body paint, otherwise the hot gelatin doesn't play well. Most anything that 'kicks off' and produces heat is incompatible for obvious reasons. When finished, gently reheat the gelatin, pour it through cheese cloth to remove contaminants into sealed containers. I've used gallon ice cream buckets for ten years.

[@garylisewski3130]

@@adf360 thank you!!!

[@VTPSTTU]

Thanks for the video. I was surprised at the .17 HMR FMJ performance, but I don't think I've ever fired a .17 HMR FMJ. I think of the .17 HMR as a rabbit round. For that, a hollowpoint that only penetrates eight inches is fine. This would also be ideal for fox hunting. Those little .17 caliber hollowpoint bullets tend to disintegrate on hitting anything solid. That the FMJ's velocity causes it to punch through things makes sense. The .22 WMR is a more versatile round. If I win the lottery, I'm going to get a KelTech CMR-30 as a fun little rifle for self-defense. I would also get a bolt-action .22 WMR for hunting uses. The .22LR remains the champion for lowest-cost shooting fun.

[@jansbeansbrook2592]

they actually are good turkey rounds too. Don't cause much damage but slaps em out

[@jansbeansbrook2592]

The .17 HMR I meant

[@grantdeisig1360]

17wsm walks in with shades on and tells 22lr to hold my beer.

[@nathant3897]

I won a 17hmr at a nra dinner and I planned on giving it to my nieces till I went to go sight it in and realized how accurate and fun they could be. Usually the smaller cartridges are not very exciting but they are usually cheap so you can plink more. At 50yds with a $220 Rossi I stacked 10rds in a dime. I’m currently working towards some long range shooting and with my local club only having 200yds available I’ve been considering building a 22 so I can practice the dope basics. It’s a great round to start with especially with how expensive match ammo for any of the cartridges that perform well at distance even if you reload

[@AnonymousSquirrel123]

*I have been pushing .17HMR for several years now, and this totally endorses my position. If you **_really_** want to leave your jaw on the ground in shock, compare the 17HMR against ANY other cartridge and a vest: the results are truly shocking!*

[@CodyDodge-d3h]

You should try the 17 wsm

[@ST19859]

22 mag punches through 3a vests with no problem too, provided you have a longer barrel rifle

[@chonch_burger]

First time watching your videos, the voice to face caught me off guard. Awesome video man.

[@Horus2Osiris]

22 Magnum ❤ you can clear your gel block (wrinkles) with a gentle torch melting. Great channel! Thanks

[@duckwacker8720]

The Veloster is the best .22lr I've found.

[@shanestacy6744]

I would love to see you test these 2 guys together the 17HMR and the 22 HORNET this would be a great video these 2 Gun's are neck to neck on long range this will tell us what the 17HMR is really made of.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

22 WMR does things to large dogs, coyotes, raccoons- in windy conditions - that the 17 HMR can’t deliver. Seriously, a cross wind will blow the tiny bullet sideways easily. Yes it’s got velocity but it lacks the mass to buck wind. 22 WMR is stubby and slower but it’s got the mass x velocity = energy down pretty well. The 17 is a laser beam but the WMR drops the critters trying for my chickens and lambs.

[@bloodyblade916]

Great job love your channel and your added humor very entertaining sir .

[@roul3688]

Love the tanker muzzle brake on the 17hmr 😂

[@hoosiered471]

Telling the hawk to shut up was hilarious!!’n

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

The little puff of smoke you sometimes see from the gel is called "dieseling," caused by intense compression and auto-ignition of the oxygen in the air inside the momentary cavity.

[@foonus406]

17 WSM was my favorite rimfire chambering but I've since gone back to the trusty old .22LR Why? - Ammo quality and availability. Regardless of the ballistics if all you can find is one brand of ammunition that just wont group or had ES of 80 when you try to shoot long range there is no point. With the .22 and quality Laupa or Elley ammo you at least have ES that is reliable enough to put you on far targets, you find the appropriate holdover and the ammo is consistent. If Lapua made .17wsm like they do the SK lineup for .22 it would likely have taken off, but with cheaply manufactured inconsistent ammo being your only option the chambering is next to dead.

[@MrMagnaniman]

What did .17 in was the semi-auto issues. That led to .17HM2, which divided the market, never really caught on, and dragged HMR down with it.

[@foonus406]

@@MrMagnaniman I used the 17 WSM for quite a while, but to my knowledge neither savage nor Ruger (the ony 2 companies licensed to produce it) make a semi auto - heck ruger stopped making the 17wsm completely and savage only offers it in their abysmal B-MaG. Hornady put the final nail in the coffin by halting production of their 17wsm cartridges in favor of their own 17HMR so what are we left for the 17wsm? Savage B-Mag's with ammo that gives SD of 80...

[@MrMagnaniman]

@@foonus406 Exactly. No semi-autos at all for WSM. I'm not sure how they didn't learn from Hornady's HMR/HM2 debacle, but here we are. HMR is hanging in there, though. Volquartsen makes semi-autos for it. They're pricey, but they work. And there's a good selection of bolt guns for it, too. No, it doesn't have the same ballistics as WSM, but it's still a substantial improvement over .22LR with a decent selection of quality ammo. I'm not meaning to undermine your point at all, though. All my rimfire target rifles are .22LR. For what .17HMR costs, I might as well be shooting centerfire. .17 only comes out when I'm going after rabbits in the garden. And I figured out that a cat is better for that than a gun, anyway.

[@korgan7779]

[Comment before watching it: I am a big 22mag fan. My father always had his Winchester model 94 in .22mag and that thing was great be it open sights or scoped. I myself chose the Lever action Rugger 77 All weather setup with a Leupold Scope (yes, the scope cost more then the gun but luckily for me my Grandfather owned a Gun Shop for awhile in the 80s/early90s so I took advantage of that) in 22mag and loved it too.]

[@korgan7779]

Well, honestly, I can't say I'm surprised by the results. As technology changes it tends to get better and it either improves the existing Round/Cartridge or Replaces it but stands firmly because of the foundation of those before it. This is demerited well in the differences and change over by military forces from things like the Round Ball to the Minie Ball bullet or the spitzer bullet versus the older round nose bullet. Yes, I'm a .45 ACP Guy, though I admit the 10mm is most likely better, and the 9mm certainly holds it own today with the advantages of new technology and improvements of the components of the round, I don't switch over for the biggest of reasons and that is the $$$. When you start with something and invest wholly in it over the years you really can't afford to change all the equipment you already have. Regardless, excellent presentation, and thank you for sharing it with us!

[@Elite.Hunting]

Great videos! Informative, funny and you have a voice for radio. I'm a big fan of rimfire purely based on prices here in Canada, the .22 WMR is one of my favourite rounds, the only reason I don't lean towards the .17 HMR is price and availability where I live. But the .17 HMR is a really nice round, very accurate for rimfire.

[@koonelos]

I love your testing, thank you! An idea for future video: what if you scrape a bullet with a razor or make a groove or dent in it, how much will that affect the trajectory?

[@ryanb4338]

Think the 17 HMR is often misunderstood, although it can be used for hunting. It’s more of a varminter cartridge. Shallow but explosive expansion is its strength.

[@timsmith1698]

Oh man I feel your Pain.. a good thought to keep in mind when crossbow hunting, "If it's slower aim lower. I think you got used to fast and quick, like Drinking the ice coffee for a caffeine trip!

[@piquat1]

I have a Heritage Rough Rider with the 22 mag cylinder. I had never fired 22 mag, plenty of 22 lr though. It's not what I expected. Really wakes that little revolver up. lol It's nothing like 22lr that's for sure. :)

[@CplSkiUSMC]

The .17 WSM is even faster with heavier bullets than the .17 HMR and now I'm curious as to how it would have done. The 20gr bullets run 3000fps and the 25gr bullets run 2500fps. I'm thinking that could put the .17 HMR to shame and probably make a serious dent in that 3/16th steel... maybe even get through.

[@sonnyd2370]

Oh come on dude that Hawk screaming in the background sounded cool I love that sound I live in Oklahoma

[@gladegoodrich2297]

Love my cheap Savage 17. On sale for $225 with a great scope. Super accurate!

[@douglanders5558]

Would be interesting to see how those compare to a 17 WSM (Winchester Super Mag). They are hard to find nowadays but they are still out there. The 20-grain load is just about 3,000 ft/s, while the 25-grain load is about 2,600 ft/s.

[@jaquigreenlees]

One metric that seems wrong on the ballistics gel is the penetration, you should give bonus points for less penetration as a through shot if hitting a living target can injure a non target. You want the round to stop in the target and cause a massive wound.

[@mrgone658]

Came for the ballistic tests, stayed for the tasty nuggets of background music. 🎵🎶👍

[@TheGDizzo]

Loves me some .17 HMR. It's just an inexpesnsive Savage 93R17 with the Heavy Barrel. But the dang thing is surgically accurate! I have no further desire to fire any .22 LR since acquiring the .17 HMR.

[@frydemwingz]

22WMR is still so underrated and under used. I dont even see old 22 mag rifles at the pawn shop or cabelas any more.

[@goodnewseverybody739]

Took me a couple years of casual shopping to track down a RAR in 22mag but I wasn’t disappointed, pin point, versatile all day fun😊.

[@gumbyresearch]

Great video. Re: caliber v. penetration: My favorite author & gun enthusiast the Late Great L. Neil Smith always wanted to see an electromagnetic wire-fed NEEDLE gun.

[@ivanoutside]

Clearly is the 17HMR win, that's why I have only one rim-file and that's Browning T-bolt 17HMR, very precise and powerful as a rim-file.