What's in synthetic motor oil | Part 2 of 4

[@srscharli]

This Amsoil series is awesome. Thank you for spending the time to go through the details.

[@bankspower]

Thank you! Cheers! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@stephenb9330]

I was an AMSOL dealer in Maine for 30 years. Now a Amsoil preferred customer and retired living in Florida. Finally get to see behind the scenes of there factory and lab. Thank You Gale and Amsoil.

[@stusvids3595]

Im loving the dive into motor oil knowledge. I have used Amsoil for years, and my real world experience lines up directly with their claims. Two great American companies!

[@bankspower]

Thanks for watching, we love hearing from our fans! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@18_rabbit]

not slamming on Amsoil, but i used it for a while long ago in my '98 cherokee, and was changing well within on time, and easy miles/hwy. And it once became thickened like i've never seen before in any car situatino ever. Very disapointed in Amsoil quality control-- that was around '06

[@candyman1967]

So Amsoil admitted using a Group 3 base stock. Is this for all diesel oils????

[@stusvids3595]

@@candyman1967 they use different base stocks in their three different levels of oil. So, the answer to your question is no. They mention the different base stocks they use in them.

[@candyman1967]

@@stusvids3595 I never saw that mentioned. Only that they use group 3. Where can I find the info for Signature series diesel 5-40?

[@GregSr]

My '88 GTA Trans AM still has the Banks cat-back system that was installed in the late 80's / early 90's. My father was part owner of an emissions lab in Anaheim. He was quite impressed with the Gale Banks organization. Don't know if he ever met Mr. Banks, but my father was a huge fan of the organization.

[@charlesmann7059]

I was introduced to Amsoil by a friend back in September of 1973. I kept using it in all my gas vehicles and when I started using Diesel trucks to haul my RV’s I enjoyed a continued great service life. Not one of my cars or trucks ever used oil in my extended mileage traveling. Oil analysis at almost every change always came back ‘oil still serviceable’. I changed oil at 7 to 18 thousand miles, depending on the type of driving I was doing. On a drive to Alaska (Arctic circle) from Buffalo in 1999

[@juice2620]

This series kicks ass. No bs just straight science. I love it and thanks for doing it. Also it shows how much of a genius Banks is.

[@anibler]

22:58 Thank you Gale! Had some coworkers who bought into the stupid rolling coal image. In addition to what you're saying here about soot getting into the oil, they also couldn't comprehend that the black smoke from their diesels is actually unburned fuel, meaning their precious engines weren't actually running correctly, while also dumping expensive diesel straight out the exhaust.

[@GRedschoen]

Gale is just a wealth of information and he clearly knows a lot of this information. I quickly Googled his name for a detail to send to a friend along with this video and was shocked to see he is 79! He does not seem like he is nearly an octogenarian. If there is anyone with more knowledge on diesel on this planet I would be shocked, Rudolf Diesel would probably be shocked at where Gale has taken this engine type.

[@headchef5680]

Wow I would have never guessed his age.

[@dougtrinidad6136]

Wow, I will never look at engine oil the same way again. Thank you AMSOIL team and Gale for the education.

[@bankspower]

Thanks for watching, we love hearing that folks are learning with this series! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

As one manufacturer says...oils ain't oils.

[@ch0wned]

As a Q(uantum)Chemist and a serious gear-head, I love thinking about this stuff. I can hands down say this is the best video on the subject on youtube. Well done! "This does not come out of the ground!" Well said! For anybody curious, too much (S)ulfur would basically screw-up any important reaction with catalysts and really just broadly anything not related to sulfur chemistry at the temperatures required for manufacturing lubricants. Not to mention consumers can't seem to stand the smell!

[@mirola73]

The Amsoil PR team has done a wonderful job taking us through the creation of their product.

[@timbrown9731]

This is why modern oil so well-made today even within the last 10 years I would say our technology and knowledge base it’s awesome!

[@ki6lkp]

My father, who was a professional mechanical engineer, taught me that it is good practice to put an engine to bed hot. Getting the oil hot helps condensation (moisture) evaporate from the crankcase. That said, it drives me crazy when people will occasionally start a (long term stored) vehicle for a short period thinking its goid for it.

[@forbiddenera]

I love how much banks hates rolling coal haha.. I wish everyone with a diesel would listen to him.

[@Polyalp]

I mean he’s definitely not a subhuman so…

[@forbiddenera]

@@Polyalp ya I just don't get how the most known tuner in diesel screams about it constantly but yet it's basically a signature of diesel..I dunno, sucks

[@Polyalp]

@@forbiddenera I mean man, anyone who has any common sense would realize that rolling coal is a bad thing. Fuck them.

[@forbiddenera]

@@Polyalp you'd hope so but so many people are like "diesel has to be super rich to make power hence the smoke"

[@Polyalp]

@@forbiddenera I do understand the dilemma, but rolling coal is way beyond a effective ratio. Anyway, great video.

[@topcat1399]

This is hands down the best "what's in motor oil" video series out of any of the other guys who have done it

[@andrewanderson1436]

Awesome video and can't wait for more. I had a 94 ram 2500 with the 5.9 12v. I did some work to it to increase power. I have to throw this out there. I used the banks twin ram intake. Massive improvement on how the truck performed. And also at that time I didn't have knowledge of synthetic oils. I used Mobile 15w40 diesel oil in that truck and in my 99 7.3 f250. In both of those trucks I noticed the slobber tube always was steaming away. More so in the ram. Come time to change the oil at the 3k their was considerably less drained out than I put in. The oil just vaporized. Since then I quit using the Mobil diesel oil and moved to Amsoil OE diesel oil when I bought the Nissan titan diesel. Don't have that truck anymore but I use Amsoil in every thing I have. Trucks, tractor , mower, my echo equipment.

[@wiredforstereo]

Been using Amsoil for over 20 years. Never blown up an engine. Did a full lifecycle with a Corolla, 330k miles when it was totaled. Still ran perfectly, only had one oil change per year its entire life.

[@redlywaxer]

Awesome organic chemistry review. I got a B in organic chemistry at university 35 years ago. Very interesting chemistry of motor oil. Thanks guys!

[@autocad_junkie]

I’m loving these episodes! I only use Amsoil in my vehicles and lawn equipment and I’m more resolved in my choice to stick with the best!

[@JayRussellDuramax]

Me, too! I'm thrilled with how well it works!

[@fortitudevalance8424]

I’m a recent convert to Amsoil and it’s a choice il never regret. Excellent stuff much better than other brands and I mean MUCH BETTER. All engines are smoother, which is the biggest change after changing and the fuel economy is slightly better but different engines vary.

[@goodmanboattransport3441]

I still have a hard time feeling ok with running a motor oil long term like they claim can be done. If I only put 10k miles on my truck every year, I'd be fine with that, but last year I drove over 110k miles and this oil gets pretty spendy

[@JayRussellDuramax]

@@goodmanboattransport3441 If you combine AmsOil engine oil with their bypass filtration, you can do regular, oil analyses and keep your oil in service for a very long time! I have around 10,000 miles on my oil, and the truck still runs silky smooth! I'm trying to get it to a yearly oil change. So far, it seems to be working great!

[@mr740]

@@goodmanboattransport3441 well, if you spred oil cost over miles instead of an engine replacement or rebuilt, I would guess its not that expensive at all.

[@craigsowers8456]

"Professor Banks" ... what a joyful ride into this subject. Retired (40 years) Lockheed Martin Engineer here ... knew a lot, learned MUCH MORE with this in-depth look at lubricants ... and just how important it is to pay attention to the OEM Engineers "Vision" on interaction of metals and oils. Growing up as a kid and "Dad" religiously following the "warm up" (every start) now makes sense given 50% of wear is at the beginning of start up ... there was no "Film" on the bearing/cylinder walls and a "metal to metal" contact point. Key points I enjoyed ... the eddy formation if you don't use the correct viscosity oil and "moisture barriers" ... the latter I can't tell you how much "raw material" I've had Subcontractors scrap when I caught them with "Surface Corrosion" on sheet/plate stock ... "intergranular corrosion" is real and over the "Life Cycle" of metal components, must be stopped up front. And just an FYI: "Between 9,000 and 12,000 metres (30,000 and 40,000 feet), the cruising altitude of most jet aircraft, air temperatures range from −40 to −70 °F (−40 to −57 °C).". And as you made a side note on "Diesel Fuel Waxing" ... learned the trick of that over here in the French/Swiss Alps in a rented Diesel Motorhome ... a bit of "gasoline" will get you home ... LOL. If you're ever in the French Riviera on Vaca, do let me know ... I think we could have some fun conversations over a Coffee !!!

[@rightlanehog3151]

For the 5 years my 1ZZ-FE (Corolla) engine was under warranty I used Amsoil Signature Series but followed shorter drain intervals to maintain my warranty. I am now in year 12 of once-a-year oil changes with Amsoil Signature Series 0W30 and EA Long life oil filters. The engine is running as smoothly as the day it left the factory. I have saved a fortune in oil change expenses and generated far less waste oil than I would have done with conventional or lower grade synthetic oil.

[@vannorman1116]

I have a 1ZZ- FE also! Bought the car brand new on Saturday Jan 1st '05 with 000,037 miles on it. On Wednesday the '5th it got Mobil 1. I still have it with a lil over 670,000 miles on it! Yep 670! How do I know it has 670??...cuz after 299,999 the odometers stop going any higher. After that I keep track on my trip meter in a notepad. My oil change intervals are ALWAYS between 22‐2700 miles. I did discard using the factory oil filter and put a much larger filter on since day 1 ! PN 1516WIX..twice the pleating surface area.

[@oneninerniner3427]

​@@vannorman1116 If the odometer has six digits it's a million mile odometer. It shouldn't stop at 300,000, it goes to 1,000,000, Well actually 999,999. It's broken! ok?

[@MrPizzaman09]

28:40 is the best thing I've heard in a video about engines in a long time. Companies full of awesome employees spend tons of time optimizing materials and oils to make it work the best. It's amazing people think they can outsmart the millions/billions of dollars of research when working on their own engines.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Yeah! And I'm sure they wouldn't spend money trying to convince us otherwise!

[@daviddroescher]

You mean like the first gen Dodge take a 325 horsepower Cummins over a 5year period , pare it down to 160 so that the 30 yr old torque flight 727 could survive it. Your telling me there's nothing left on the table beyond 160 if you solve the week Link in the chain of failure. ( Yes you would just keep moving down the line to the next weak link. Till you have 1000fttq monster of a 2020 raped in 1991 clothes.) Allison will hold .

[@trackpackgt877]

Amsoil is the best oil on the planet by far!! King 👑 of synthetics!!

[@huynhxuanviet9818]

This is the most useful episode by far! Thank you Mr. Banks for your efforts.

[@bankspower]

Glad you think so! Thanks for watching, we love hearing from our fans! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@svenschwingel8632]

This video series is very well-balanced between scientific technobabble (which 99% of viewers wouldn't understand) and comprehensive physics/chemistry for the layman. And since Amsoil allocated manpower and time, it's perfectly fine for them to promote their own products. And their products are top-notch, so it's not plain marketing mumbo-jumbo.

[@dandersen464]

If there was a Banks school I would go to it. I have learned so much about specific and detailed information on diesels than I ever would have thought. I’m sold on Banks and Amsoil for life. And coming from an aviation background this leaves so much to be desired in my field.

[@TheSzalkowski]

I am guessing that the curriculum of that school would be heavy on marketing.

[@badgerpa9]

It is nice he is explaining things at a middle school level so more people will understand it. Thanks for the education.

[@Fix_It_Again_Tony]

Forty two minutes on synthetic motor oil chemistry? Yes please!

[@bankspower]

🤓🔬🧪

[@NNoradIV]

What a great video. Banks is here asking all the questions I am wondering myself. Thank you for such a great video, Gale.

[@alexmclachlan1896]

This is awesome information. It clears up a lot of misinformation about synthetic and conventional oils. I have seen first hand the performance difference in running a conventional oil vs a synthetic oil in my vehicle. When I run synthetic oil in it the engine is a lot more responsive and accelerates noticeably quicker than when I had conventional grade oil in it.

[@almizzyracing8004]

Good episode. I do wish they would've covered the other additives like friction modifiers, extreme pressure, anti-foaming / anti-aeration, and viscosity index improvers. I could see it being too much to pack into one episode though. The differences, in structure and performance, between star polymers and OCPs is good stuff, as well as performance aspects of group V base oils like polyol and adipate ester, trimethylolpropane, and alkylated naphthalene.

[@dalebowen2405]

I love these episodes! I never was interested in science. It wasn't brought to me as a practical application. This keeps me interested. Thank you Gale Banks!

[@bankspower]

Great to hear! It's awesome when fans are learning. Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@jessemackenzie6516]

Mr Banks is a Legend. His knowledge and personality makes for a truly remarkable individual. Every piece of content I watch in him makes me want to be better at my trade.

[@paulschab8152]

I had a basic understanding of oils but this video gave me a lot more info about the chemistry and all the technical terms. Never tried Amsoil but I know it is absolute top notch. I usually help my dad put Rotella 5w40 diesel oil or Valvoline 5w40 Premium Blue in his 2020 6.7 Powerstroke. I bought a gallon of Motorcraft 10w30 diesel oil to use in all of my small engine power equipment because of the 1000 ppm zinc levels.

[@BestEngineOil]

*Thank you Gale and AMSOIL for making this excellent, informative video.*

[@bankspower]

Our pleasure! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@jeffd3844]

Thank you for doing this & posting. I wish there was more educational material like this available done by people who know what they're talking about. So much that's out there is either marketing nonsense or from people who don't really know what they're talking about.

[@samuelsamsonian5832]

I like the series! Uncle Tony's Garage is doing something similar, he's explaining fuel economy and fuel combustion in older classic engines. School is in.

[@D2O2]

This is all great and sure explains why an oil change with Amsoil oil and filter cost $130 versus a Mobil 1 oil change is $51. I know if I jumped through hoops and buy a membership I might be able to save some money, but hard to beat the convenience of hoping the car and going 5 min down the road and getting all I need when I need it. As far as performance, I have not seen a UOA that shows a statistical difference in wear in a regular street vehicle like a GM 5.3 or Ford 5.4. Blackstone Labs has done several write ups about this over the years. Maybe there is some advantage if you are trying to go 15k, 20k, etc on OCI, or some endurance racing, but not at 3-7k intervals in regular vehicles driving around on public roads. All the lab tests can say Amsoil is better, but if it doesn't translate into measurable real world data, what difference does it make? I know and have read all the fans that say my engine "sounds" better and "runs" better, and feels like it has 20 more hp, etc....show me the data. I consistently get 200-400k miles on my engines running regular oil from Walmart, what advantage would I expect from Amsoil? The bodies on my vehicles rust out and end its life long before the drivetrain does.

[@ChinookBear]

Extended drain intervals saved time and money. My 03 civic goes 20k between changes. UOA's show i can go further if i like. Sure, it may cost ~$70 for a change but that's cheaper than ~$40 a change and doing it 4 times in that same time. Also, it gets -20°F where I am and the cold starts are easy with how well Amsoil Signature Series cold flows.

[@gizmothewytchdoktor]

i agree with your assessment. i am also guessing that you commute regularly and am not particularly hard on your drivetrain (repeated hard acceleration/heavy use as in towing etc). these situational scenarios are where better formulated oils show their advantages. high shear forces as mentioned...high temps....that sort of thing. thanks for pointing out the real world average use scenario. most petrolheads were probably screaming at the screen about halfway through the presentation. :-)

[@lawrenceweber2010]

@@ChinookBear so you can go longer between changes but you left out how often you have to add additional oil between the changes

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

Still should change oil filter about every 5000 k miles . Also don’t trust Blackstone. They showed my signature series used for 2000 miles as being out of spec, while Oil analyzers came out fine

[@beebop9808]

You're right, becoming a member makes the price about the same as the leading brands on the shelf. If the extended change guarantee means anything to you, use their filter. It's not cheap but isn't changed in 5k miles either. If not then at least use a Wix synthetic filter. I don't think it's wrong to say that a nice long engine life can be achieved by regular service with quality oils. It's absolutely true. (Disclaimer: Brands and models of piece of crap cars not included since changing fluids every day isn't going to save you from that choice.) My transmissions run top notch on Amsoil fluid as well with dramatic results. I wouldn't put anything else in my cars. The advantage I see using Amsoil is just math and labor. Nobody with guns pointed at any heads the way I see it. People like what they like and that's just how it is. That's the great thing about capitalism. Keeps people happy, businesses on their toes, healthy competition and better pricing for all us suckers stuck with the bill.

[@lenbones7940]

this dudes science break downs are epic is amazing how simply breaking down exactly what's taking place and why instantly makes understanding what's taking place under the hood so much easier... it's crazy how long the engine has been around yet since the carb has gone the way side its just thought that engines are to technical so people simply rather stay ignorant then just try to learn

[@wademiyataki9221]

Very educational! Hopefully the “rolling coal” folks pay attention! I remember Gale saying long ago that soot is horsepower you’re leaving on the table

[@wade-potato6200]

“If you roll coal, that’s horsepower going out the exhaust pipe

[@timsmothers8740]

And I, doubt that The coal rollers pay attention, they Long ago flunked out of their ability to so do. And they fell for The Flat back rear diff covers are more better!

[@offroadcanadian552]

What he said about deleted the truck makes no sense tho because the egr is putting your exhaust back through the motor exposing your motor to even more soot, even a stock truck makes soot the dpf filter just catches it so it’s still getting some soot in your oil no matter what.

[@yzrippin]

"anyting you see coming out of the tailpipe is lost power" Gale Banks

[@silverphinex]

@@offroadcanadian552 I think that is more down to Auto Manufacturers making inefficient intakes and manifolds for diesel engines instead of controlling fuel flow

[@jeanbigboute]

This is an excellent explanation of intricate chemistry. Glad that both of them dove into it enthusiastically and without apology for enjoying the molecular details. Amsoil's process looks similar to that of a blender of fine Scotch whiskey.

[@bankspower]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@KaoticFdr1]

That was so very informative. Thank you, Banks & Amsoil teams!

[@bankspower]

Love to hear this. Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for more.

[@petergamache5368]

This is fascinating! Thanks for working with AMSOIL to show us all this information.

[@matthewcooper3774]

Thanks so much for this series! It’s at the right level of detail for my interest.

[@wadet73]

Great series! I had a Banks Turbo Tube header on my 2nd Grand Cherokee 4.0. Been shopping Banks products ever since 👍🏼

[@praddzzz]

Love the effort in the video & the explanation. 37:19 The data appears incomplete as the time (hours) is not given. So we do not know if this is after the normal suggested change interval. Engine oil blending was part of my interest years ago. But a big Thankyou to Mr Banks & teams for presenting this video.

[@bankspower]

In regards to the hours, this is a lab test AMSOIL uses to improve motor oil formulations that run in severe conditions in the field. The test length represented in the graph is in hours. Both competitors' useful life ended after day 10 or 240 hours. The AMSOIL Signature Series product had end of life happen after day 13 or 312 hours.

[@workisfun...2438]

How many hours of a test on the oils for that graph? I feel like it was conveniently left out. Great tidbits of information that the layman could understand surrounded by physicist speak! Thanks Gale! Looking forward to the next video!

[@chriswilson433]

I wondered the same thing. It looks like the test runs way out to failure. While a typical oil interval might be 200-500 hours, I wonder if this is 1k-2k hours.

[@LubricationExplained]

The scale on those graphs is generally misleading. Engine oil failure tests generally aren't run in real world conditions, because they would take way too long. To get them done in a reasonable amount of time, the oil companies usually do stress testing - so they'll run the test at higher temperatures, reduce the oil volume to make it work harder, etc. Once you've done that, the test hours bear no resemblance to real world performance so they just show the relative performance between the oils.

[@bankspower]

This is a lab test AMSOIL uses to improve motor oil formulations that run in severe conditions in the field. The test length represented in the graph is in hours. Both competitors' useful life ended after day 10 or 240 hours. The AMSOIL Signature Series product had end of life happen after day 13 or 312 hours.

[@workisfun...2438]

@@bankspower Thanks for the info! It would have been useful to have had that on the graph itself. God bless and Merry Christmas!

[@JeffMTX]

@@bankspower it would be cool to see the log(hours) time scale. Betting it would make the curves piecewise-linear...

[@LandSurfer96]

I love all of Banks Power's video series, however, THIS is the kind of content I subscribed for!

[@bankspower]

😁🤘🏻

[@andyharman3022]

I just came over from watching some political videos, and the AMSoil guy starts talking FACTS about ZDDP and organic chemistry. AAAAAAAHHHHH! REALITY. FEELS GOOD. Thank you Gale, for a breath of fresh air. I got a lot out of the discussion on mPAO's. Fairly new in the industry. I knew that Joe Gibbs' Driven used them as VI improvers in their oils, which are very shear stable. I didn't know that AMSoil was using them. I got a chuckle from the oil viscosity vs operating time graph when they labeled one of the oils "Leading Synthetic Competitor Extended Performance". Gee, I wonder who that could be? MobilMobil

[@BenChung78]

I wonder whether Mobil 1 chemists would corroborate that particular graph showing the delta difference in oxidation rates over hours of operation of their oils as compared to amsoil. We would need independent chemists to actually verify whether this graph is true because thats a HUGE difference attributed to ZDDP in the base oil as compared to Mobil 1.

[@calebdoner]

This is absolutely fantastic content. Thank you so much for this video series! I have always wanted to know this stuff.

[@FryChicken]

This is an incredible series and definitively answers questions I had years ago where I actually called several motor oil companies and was unable to get a definitive answer. I'd like to know what oil change interval Dan Peterson uses in his cars.

[@michaelguerin56]

Another great episode. Thank you. This is even better than the differential cover series!

[@bankspower]

Thanks for watching, we love hearing from our fans! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@deankay4434]

I have met and spoke to the two engineers at GM who plotted the oil change graft. Short trips, oil temp, coolant, long trips and even calculated engine loads. They pointed out the was based on recommended synthetic oil values as recognized by ASTM and they can't control what brand of synthetic is used, only how it reacts in the engine under a huge number of factors. Concluding they kept it on the conservative side to attempt to get the best results of least wear to testing for metals known in the engine, but the oil itself. Not all synthetics are created equal as some use cheaper additives to reduce POS and maintain a market share. One admitted he bought one the last GM "F" body's and used Amsoil in his vehicle. The other had no comment but admitted he changed his oil more frequently instead of waiting for 10% oil life, changed his at 30% oil life. ACDelco MASM, retired ASE master tech.

[@cliffhamilton2857]

Love this series so far, was able to identify most of the chemical reactions and their ability to react for most of what was presented and enjoyed the Aha moments.

[@T_B_C_L]

Another great video with great information. I switched to amsoil about 5 years ago and have been really satisfied with their products!

[@nickstewart3725]

Great video Gale!...a lot of great information in these videos and nothing better than coming from my favorite lubrication company!

[@bankspower]

Our pleasure! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@digitalbilly]

Keep the videos coming I love learning from Banks :)

[@bankspower]

Will do! Tune next week for a new episode on Motor oil chemical lab testing.

[@cq7415]

Very interesting. Oil oxidation causes engine sludge, 38:54. Lots of good information here and worth watching. Of course this does not show which chemicals fully make up synthetic oil, trade secrets. Thanks for sharing

[@bobclarke5913]

I was hoping to see a conventional oil plotted against those synthetic examples in the final graph.

[@bloqk16]

Many years ago I did a comparison of used conventional oil versus used synthetic (Mobil One) as I was curious about the heat threshold of both oils. I put both oils in separate metal containers, heated them up with a torch flame on the bottom sides of the containers, and noticed that when both got critically hot, the conventional oil was boiling and emitting smoke, while the synthetic boiled without smoke. Keeping up the heat, the conventional oil ignited with a dirty flame; while the synthetic kept boiling. After another 30 seconds of applied heat, the synthetic did ignite, but its flame was nearly as clean as kerosene. After that test, I was a confirmed believer and user of synthetic oil for internal combustion engines.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@bloqk16 I suppose if you engine gets hot enough for the oil to boil, and you keep driving, it's worth it...

[@daviddroescher]

@@Cheepchipsable in high performance Diesel typical failure mode is the aluminum getting soft(~1200°f) and allowing the rings to move out of place I'd say that's hot enough to boil oils especially when you have a continuous stream of oil spraying the bottom side of the Piston to keep it cool and it still melts. Also with this failure mode it is typically witnessed heavy coking on the bottom side of the piston from the oil Boiling off and leaving the solids behind.

[@craigquann]

High heat resistance is super important for turbo engines. The turbo shaft gets stupid hot and actually burns the oil badly, and can even coke up if it heats up too much.

[@eyenosenuttin]

I'm curious about the lack of units for time in the last graph. At what point does the oil start to oxidize and sludge up? It's not clear

[@Jon-O.]

Now I know why my full synthetic engine oil would show a half quart low at 3000 miles the new engine wasn't burning it. The oil was vaporizing because the oil wasn't good enough to withstand operation temperatures over that mileage. Another reason to use 100% synthetics. Thank you Amsoil for truly educating me you now have a new customer.

[@svenschwingel8632]

The product data sheets of any engine oil will show you vaporization loss in % from a standardized test. Good quality synthetics will usually yield a loss in the 8-10% range. And since the testing is done at conditions that normal engines usually do not run at (sustained very high temperature), the loss you describe might not be due to evaporation.

[@svenschwingel8632]

@@tandemwings4733 not necessarily. In Germany and Japan, only those engine oils whose base stock contains 80+ per cent Group 4 may be called "fully synthetic". In other countries, it is legal to label any engine oil whose base stock consists exclusively of Group 3 or better as "fully synthetic". And in all honesty: a well-made Group 3 (which isn't "mineral" by any sense of the definition) is any bit as capable as a Group 4, as indicated by huge overlaps in their respective VI ranges. In the end, it's all about the manufacturing process and how it is being applied and monitored. And most oil manufacturers have no control over that because they buy additives and base stocks from external sources.

[@Jon-O.]

@@tandemwings4733 are you honestly that Ignorant, what is group 3. Don't answer I'll tell since your exhibiting ignorance. Group 3 is Dino oil that is refined under high heat and pressure and hydrogen infused then as it's cooled highly refined hydrogenated dynomolecules are separated from all the other contaminants. It's Dino oil that has been determined to be synthetic when it's not at all. Only group 4 and group 5 are technically 100% synthetic.

[@svenschwingel8632]

@@tandemwings4733 I work in a refinery which happens to produce a very high quality Group 3 base stock. And knowing the process, I can assure you that there is much more involved than just simple refining of crude fractions. Yes, its very basis is crude oil (which is btw also what alpha-olefines are being made of - said refinery runs an olefine plant as well) but after the full process of catalytic hydrotreatment, saturation and isomerization that product (which we call HVGO for hydrated vacuum gas oil) doesn't really resemble anything anymore that was present in the crude oil. Its VI is in the 160 range which is perfectly adequate to formulate any engine oil in the 5W-30 or 5W-40 weight. Alpha Olefines are actually being made in a very similar fashion from crude oil, but instead of hydrocracking certain crude fractions, you will use a combination of steam cracking and quenching to obtain an olefine mixture that will then be rectified into the desired components, including alpha olefines which will then be used in a polymerization to create PAOs. The process, if done correctly and controlled properly, yields base stocks in the 175+ VI range which are good enough to formulate even the highest viscosity ranges like 5W-50 or 10W-60. The thing is: what makes PAO synthetic is the polymerization alone. And using PAO is not necessarily a sign of superior quality because you can actually run a polymerization that yields a substandard quality when being compared to a high quality Group 3. It's like everything in life: it's not the name brand that automatically gives you quality.

[@RiadKhan801]

Thanks so much for doing this series! this was so helpful in many ways!

[@johnnypipe]

As a retiree (for many years) from one of the major oil companies there was one thing I was hoping to hear from the engineer. And that was that their Signature Series Oils were made from PAO Group IV base stocks. He kind of left it open for me to think they use some Group III base stocks in that oil. I have no proof but I am pretty sure their other synthetics are made from Group III base stocks. The price point pretty much dictates that. As with Mobil 1, Castrol, and the rest. I have never used Amsoil in an engine, however I have used their gear oils, 2-cycle oils, and fuel additives with great results. Mr. Banks, thank you for doing this series of videos. They were well done and very informative.

[@connor3288]

I believe some of their oils like oe and xe are group 3, and signature series is group 4

[@richardthompson2494]

The motor oil life graph has no scale in hours for the x axis. 100 hrs 1000hrs that’s important.

[@BigMOBBOB]

Exactly with no physical data on time you can wipe your a** with that graph. There are 1000 different ways to manipulate that line.

[@archeryhunter86-]

I thought that was odd as well. He did say it was an accelareted lab test though so if they would have put the hours up there it might cause confusion. If you look at it as a scale you can get an idea that their oil last x times longer though, which is the point. That said I'm sure they picked out a specific product that they do much better than their competition for this demonstration. That doesn't mean every product is that much better than others. It also doesn't mean that there aren't other competitors that are equal or better on this graph, they just showed one unnamed competitor that they said is a good quality. They aren't dumb and recognize that this video is another form of marketing. Of course they are going to cast their product in a good light. Final thought is: I'm sure Amsoil makes a quality product and although I have never used it I am seriously considering it.

[@timsmothers8740]

I,do believe that they were using The Amsoil Signature Series Max-Duty Diesel in the 5W-40 and I, would guess The comparison was Mobil 1 synthetic or Chevron Delo synthetic Diesel oil. And if you've never seen the testing that The guy whose KZbin channel is Project Farm, he does a lot of comparison testing using Amsoil vs many of The other brands he even sends New oil in for analysis, he does some in depth testing ie cold pour point heating the oils up to extreme temperatures to check for Volatility via weighing the sample before and afterwards. And also has hundreds of Videos coming tools, hand tools Electric tools drivers, impacts. You name it and he has likely tested it. And I, was looking at another Lubricant company High Performance Lubricants and I, shocked at Their pricing to see that they are actually a bit more expensive than Amsoil and they have no testing comparison whatsoever to justify their costs.

[@bankspower]

This is a lab test AMSOIL uses to improve motor oil formulations that run in severe conditions in the field. The test length represented in the graph is in hours. Both competitors' useful life ended after day 10 or 240 hours. The AMSOIL Signature Series product had end of life happen after day 13 or 312 hours.

[@jmstew642]

I have a question. The last graph show viscosity break down over time... What was the "time frame" until the oxidation starts?

[@Sicktrickintuner]

My thoughts exactly, whats an appropriate time frame before this happens on a general scale under normal loads

[@gauntization]

That huge ramp up could be well outside the recommend service life but this is a “We came up with our own test” and surprise surprise our product came out of top….does anyone know if their methods have been published anywhere or verified by a third party?

[@libertyfivefivesix]

Exactly. Leaving the units off of one graph axis does not inspire confidence. I know it's an "accelerated" test, but it would be useful to provide a "real world" frame of reference. If the spike in viscosity in the competitors product occurs at 5,000 hrs. or is it at 20,000 hrs.... and if Amsoil's spike follows only 1,500 hrs. later...... At least mention why there were no units on the "time" axis.

[@LubricationExplained]

@@libertyfivefivesix he scale on those graphs is generally misleading. Engine oil failure tests generally aren't run in real world conditions, because they would take way too long. To get them done in a reasonable amount of time, the oil companies usually do stress testing - so they'll run the test at higher temperatures, reduce the oil volume to make it work harder, they might even run an engine on the test stand at max load, etc. Once you've done that, the test hours bear no resemblance to real world performance so they just show the relative performance between the oils.

[@bankspower]

This is a lab test AMSOIL uses to improve motor oil formulations that run in severe conditions in the field. The test length represented in the graph is in hours. Both competitors' useful life ended after day 10 or 240 hours. The AMSOIL Signature Series product had end of life happen after day 13 or 312 hours.

[@KaldekBoch]

This is absolutely the best info on oil I've seen in 20 years.

[@bankspower]

Wow, thank you! Thanks for watching, we love hearing from our fans! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@timbrown9731]

Great video Gail thank you, my theory is when you jump to a thicker oil you also create more heat in the bearings because my theory is reducing your flow your resistance to flow therefore your flow is reduced through the bearing and that flows not able to dissipate heat as rapidly!

[@isaiahholland2776]

huge props to amsoil for doing this, I love it!!

[@pb68slab18]

A little information is a wonderful thing. When I started riding Harleys in the 70s, everyone ran 60wt in the summer and 50wt in the winter. Sometimes even 70wt if it was a hot summer and ya had to sit in traffic a lot. But it made cold starting a pain! When multi-grades started catching on, I started running 20W-50, everyone said I'd ruin my motor in no time.

[@kevenhiemie]

God Damn it Uncle Gale. You throw so much knowledge at me at one time I have to watch your videos at least two or three times.

[@mikewasfaret9563]

I had a ford 7.3 diesel years ago. I ran 15w40 year around. Didn't realize the top end wasn't getting oil during winter start up. Wore the valve guides and cam bearings out.

[@PanhandlePoppy]

Watching this after finishing organic chemistry gives me such a better understanding

[@joshuagibson2520]

I agree on cold start wear. It fails me why we don't have priming of the oil pump and a preignition soak down before start up. I don't need or want lane assist, power seats, or any of that nonsense tech, but we should have a prelube setup.

[@paulschab8152]

The Cat 730 Offroad truck I drive sometimes has a pre oiler.

[@mlbabineaux]

PAO's are what's in Mobil 1 PAO's are made at the Exxon/Mobil Refinery in Baton Rouge, LA.

[@LubricationExplained]

Yes and no. Not all the Mobil 1's are full PAO's. These days most will have some Group III or Group III+ (Shell's GTL base oil) because you can get very similar performance at a much lower price point and still call it full synthetic. These days most of the PAO volume is reserved for industrial grades - the mPAO they talk about in this video is very common in wind turbine gearboxes, industrial gearboxes and hydraulic packs. But you're correct in that PAO comes out of Baton Rouge.

[@NebukedNezzer]

very interesting. I take from this that if I use castol synthetic in my ordinary gas engine and change it early enough. I should see little or no difference. but don't push things performance wise or oil change schedule.

[@Iowa599]

The explanation of oil viscosity does explain parasitic power losses & rotating shafts, but it doesn't mention sliding surfaces… Piston ring to cylinder wall surface is the largest in an engine, add in valve to guides and those are responsible for any/all oil consumption (+turbochargers). A rotating shaft also has a journal surrounding the shaft, except valves/tappets/rockers sliding on camshafts.

[@fistanfenkinor]

One specific area I wish they had gotten into was base oils manifactured via a Gas to Liquid process i.e. converting natural gas into liquid base oil. I would be very interested to know whether the "purity" of base oils manufactured that way are superior to those made by refining liquid crude petroleum.

[@rvmagnum5415]

Im old, so I loved my dinosaur juice. loved my 20/50 motor oil. You just showed me the light, I'm switching to synthetic oil and proper oil viscosity , although I still go up a little on high mileage cars, like from 5w30 to 10w30. I was driving an s10 chevy that had a slight rod knock for weeks, called for 5w30. so to get home I changed the oil and put 20w50 in it. drove a mile and the rod came through the block.

[@nunyobizkneez]

i have never enjoyed nerding out so much! this series is awesome!

[@bankspower]

Thanks for watching, we love hearing from the nerds! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@sm7091bs]

Very helpful and good explained. My question to you is that in the last frame you spook about the "oil life" within the parameters. X= Cst, Y= hours. In how many hours the competitor " failed" compared to the amsoil oil.

[@bankspower]

This is a lab test AMSOIL uses to improve motor oil formulations that run in severe conditions in the field. The test length represented in the graph is in hours. Both competitors' useful life ended after day 10 or 240 hours. The AMSOIL Signature Series product had end of life happen after day 13 or 312 hours.

[@Matthew-21_22]

I apologize if this has been covered previously. I just recently purchased a 2021 392 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack 392 T/A. Oil recommended is Pennzoil SRT 0W40. In April or May 2022, 60 days 6000 miles, it's due to be changed to keep it under warranty. It may have 200 to 300 miles on it then. I live in northern Indiana near Notre Dame, so it will probably stay garaged the vast majority of the time. So, the question is, stay with Pennzoil or go with Amsoil 0W40 Signature Series? Not a question of money, rather protection and possibly performance. Maybe too soon to switch? Need 500 miles, I believe, to break in engine. What should I expect by switching brands? Love your videos, great detail and educational. Happy Birthday Gale on your birthday coming up soon!

[@CleaningMyGun]

Incredible stuff Amsoil makes. The most important part starts at 36:57

[@zed8083]

Definitely!

[@brianmann986]

This is an excellent entry level treatise on motor oil manufacture. Amsoil is well known for excellent lubricants, and I say this as a retired Mobil Industrial Lubrication Engineer. I found the information presented factual and informative. All engine enthusiasts should view this. It would save me and others repetitive answers to forum questions. The only thing I'd like to know is why the Amsoil Representative specifically mentioned use of API Group III Synthetic Base Oil Stocks, yet said nothing about Group IV PAO (the 'original' synthetic oil before the Castrol lawsuit)? Always thought Amsoil used Group IV PAO for their premium oil lineup = "Signature Series"?

[@AMSOILinc]

AMSOIL uses a huge amount of group IV and group V base oils in our formulations. So sorry we did not mention this specifically.

[@brianmann986]

@@AMSOILinc - means nothing without the discreet amounts.

[@somedayzo6]

I still wonder if we are better off just changing conventional oil more often as opposed to extended changes with AmSoil?

[@richtieszen3856]

OK somebody explain to me. @Banks Power. 22:50 Isn't there soot coming out of the engine either way, if the truck is deleted or not? Isn't that what all the new EPA/DEF/Exhaust system is designed to "catch" it all, thus the regen that these truck go through to burn off the soot?

[@michaellavery4899]

You touched on the problems with cold starts and parts wear, which I understand. Would you still recommend allowing the oil to heat up by idling the engine for a period on modern engines with DPF'S? I can't imagine all that time spent static at low ram would be good for this filter.

[@ngrinshift4383]

I'm having trouble finding a group 4 oil that meets SP classification in 0W-40. All I have seen that comes close is Shell Helix Ultra. Since it's made from gas not crude, would it qualify as a group 4? The oil I need has to be specifically classified as "SP", because it is a Direct Injection (DI) forced induction (turbo) small displacement engine. This configuration suffers from excessive carbon buildup behind the intake valves if the incorrect oil is used.

[@mikep.6271]

Like the others, this series on oil is very educational to understand what goes into a quart of oil and why. In this series I was really hoping to hear Dan Peterson touch on when oil should be changed and whether a full (Amsoil) synthetic oil will provide a longer interval btwn changes over non-synthetic to justify the higher cost? I can see that their (30w) oil doesn't turn to 'sludge' as fast as some others, but if the recommendation is to change oil at 5K - 7K miles, then why not just use a good, non-synthetic grade of oil? If we can run longer on Amsoil Syn oils, how much longer? I was hoping that Dan would talk about intervals and having oil tested for, among other things, TBN & TAN at some regular interval. Coincidentally, in this month's Amsoil electronic newsletter there is an article addressing the question of whether black oil is indicative of oil that needs to be changed? The answer is no, color is not indicative that the oil has broken down and should be changed...whew! Instead, their suggestion is to have a sample of the oil analyzed (they provide a link to a preferred lab), but there are a variety of tests offered and I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which test to order; testing is not cheap! I run a secondary bypass filter on my GMC Sierra 2500HD (diesel) that filters down to 20 microns and the oil isn't 'as black' as it would be without the filter at 5K miles, so it is filtering (some) sludge. I will get a test done and I'm hoping that I can safely get 15K+ miles on an oil change, otherwise I may go back to a non-synthetic oil.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Well done!! I appreciate all the info packed in here! 👍😎

[@bankspower]

Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching, we love hearing from our fans! Stay tuned for more, we got a new episode coming next week.

[@jackt9411]

So what I understood from that excellent presentation is that synthetic motor oil is not really 'synthetic', it is just heavily refined and modified natural oil out of the ground, maybe with some synthetic aditives. Correct?

[@importdoc7]

Forrest, Lucas of Lucas oil, and my father are great friends. He told my dad one day that synthetic oil is nothing special. They put oil in a hopper and sonically vibrate the oil . The oil where the molecules stick the closest together is labeled full synthetic, when the molecules start to separate. It is labeled semi synthetic, when they get a certain amount apart. It’s label conventional oil. That’s the story that I was told. I’m sure there are additives in all of it but the baseline of synthetic oil is molecule separation.

[@baileypawsplays1047]

The issue is fuel dilution to the oil. Most companies barely formulate to the lower end of a 30w like on the baseline. If you're always lead footing or have forced induction... chances are even after a thousand miles your 30w oil is a 20w. That's why we start with 40w instead of 30w. You can't cure fuel dilution through formulation.

[@DJS6289]

I love these educational videos. Thanks, Mr Banks. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@MrSky084]

At what point on the hours timeline, would the recommended oil change interval be?

[@akonitony2]

Ok, so looking at the rust inhibitors, and this may be a dumb question, but welcome to my world ... would the polar head be able to be reversed when enough H2O is present, and pulled away from the Fe surface? I understand Fe can bond with up to 6 other molecules if I remember my biochem classes right, so maybe that is what keeps this from happening, but my other question is why not chemically engineer a bipolar lipid molecule like we find in living cell membranes that would bind the H2O molecules to the other end?

[@mitchmasterfix5292]

I recall when Amsoil started out they were using esters. Now I see they are using Group III and IV (PAO). Wonder when they made the switch and why.

[@ricardosanseverino427]

Wow, what an amazing and informative video! Congratulations Banks and Amsoil!

[@bankspower]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Make sure you check out these other videos. Ep3 👉🏻 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKa7YqeNrLGdr5o Ep4 👉🏻 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5_WlniaebiJeq8

[@roblundgren5226]

@@bankspowero Mobile one synthetic is no where near as. Good as amsoil am I hearing they correctly

[@richardbennett4365]

Good science. I just found one mistake in vocabulary on the slide presented at 23:15 into the lecture. The arrow with the label "oil soluble tail" has the accompanying parenthetical addition of this part of the red molecule as oleophobic, but that's incorrect. This part is, of course, oleophilic, whereas the polar head will be the oleophobic part of this amphipathic molecule. Also, on the preceding slide actual double bonds written out would make the slide more accurate for the representation of the connections between carbon atoms in the backbone as opposed to color, which by the way was never keyed or defined in a legend on the slide or spoken except in passing by the presenter.

[@bobt897]

Thanks Gale, the still unanswered question is: where does synthetic oil come from? I know it comes from the lab, but what is it made with? Grp III is highly refined crude, that can now legally be called "synthetic", & is what Amsoil is made from. Group IV is PAO that comes from "a lab", but what did they make it with? "This does not come out of the ground" he says to the camera. So where DOES it come from? I'm guessing crude or parts of crude?

[@steveflor9942]

Fascinating stuff. Great job Gail. Just one question: I have heard Zinc based modifiers can interfere with catalytic converters. Does this limit Amsoil's use of ZDDP? Thanks, Guys

[@tempestv8]

That's what I thought too. Hence all this time spent discussing ZDDP seemed a bit non relevant for modern engines.

[@ajbertelson9871]

Hey Gale and amsoil Can you tell if an oil is starting to sheer by the color it comes out at oil change or by looking at the sight glass? I send my stuff to Blackstone and it always comes back below normal wear. I keep up on my he intervals and rarely go over.

[@synlubeproscrider3712]

Oil tends to turn dark as it is used, mostly as a function of detergents doing there job.......Bottom line is the color of used oil has no bearing on serviceability of the oil and you really can't tell anything looking at it with the naked eye. I've run samples through the lab for customers that were still pretty honey colored like out of the bottle and it came back with a problem....on the other hand I've run samples through the lab that were black and the lab said "all good" keep going!

[@gordowg1wg145]

A very, very good and informative presentation. 👍