The Baroque Violin and the Modern Violin: Similar, but very Different

[@CitizenRacecar]

What a shame that he didn't play them! I want to hear the two sounds side by side!

[@071949]

+David Hoffman Agreed! It really would have enhanced the 'lesson' a lot. 04/28/2016

[@treatb09]

the baroque have less time to draw a note out, and sound squeaky when you do, so you get shorter notes played on them.

[@evperkins2947]

Bo Huggabee p

[@OddaWhite]

Not any practical example? What a shame

[@Music2Die4]

One of the violins was broke and needed repair..... Could be why no comparison was done.

[@ellooku]

Well you forgot to play it. Sound matters too.

[@everb-ey7ps]

What a letdown to not demonstrate their sounds.

[@therealzilch]

Nicely explained. Just one suggestion- if you want your clipin bow to last a long time without repair, you shouldn't click the frog in and out as you did in this video- that makes for a lot of wear and tear at the front of the frog and slot. Bend the bow so there's no tension on the hair first. cheers from a bowmaker who's built and repaired many clipin bows.

[@ivyssauro123]

Very instructive! Thanks! Only thing you could have added someone playing the baroque violin, and the modern one for comparison.

[@chocobo2743]

aawwww and all this time i was waiting for you to play it :(

[@ari4340]

I'm getting this channel on my recommended nine years later, what a shame that it's abandoned!

[@PseudoResonance]

I got to try playing a half million dollar plus Amati violin, and it was just amazing. Very interesting how different it was from my modern (and cheaper...) violins that I own. Sounded spectacular too of course for a price tag that high.

[@vinta1371]

You guys should do a video on natural horns vs modern horns

[@Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan]

Wow, every generation gets an easier way. I bought-up the remaining (local) supply of "flint" to learn to make my own ignition flints for a muzzle loader. Guess the percussion cap is not "cool", well I now respect our founding pioneers a bunch more. Great video and this knowledge is valuable.

[@frenchiecocorico1]

François Xavier Tourte (1747-1835) was a famous french bow maker whose former profession was clockmaker. He nicknamed "the Stradivari of the bow" because determining Pernambouc was the best wood for bow making due to its great suppleness, lightness and strength. He achieved experiences to obtain the better bow shape which becomes now the modern standard. In past times, bows were made of Snakewood (Bois d'Amourette / Brosimum Aubletti) for its resistivity but it was an heavy wood.

[@Adrian_AdamViolonDiGerma-tm3nq]

A clock maker? How 😮

[@Bruno-hd9qo]

What about the differences in the sound?

[@Ekvitarius]

The baroque violin sounds more folkish and gritty, and makes fine articulation better, as the instrument is much looser in construction. The modern violin can sound silkier and creates a louder sound to fill a large hall. Both offer different advantages and reflect the musical values of their respective time periods.

[@johnsavard7583]

One important difference is that you can't play a Baroque violin in the eleventh position. You would be pressing the strings down to empty air instead of the fingerboard.

[@chad9015]

Baroque sounds softer

[@MickCorgi]

I personally play cello but rather enjoyed your English. I would like to see more of your educational videos.

[@RealmofWanderingFire]

Thank you ever so much!

[@PychStudios]

Very informative! Thank you :).

[@patriciajrs46]

Quite informative. Thanks.

[@nellyd9280]

Great info. Thank you

[@Checkmate1138]

Sad to hear you guys disbanded! I wish you had kept your website available too!

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

BaroqueBand We now have Aquila Red Synthetic Strings which are easier to hold tune, & we also have Planetary Geared Pegs which turn more smoothly.

[@richardwebb2348]

So how do these technical construction details impact performance style, and sound??

[@galacticacorn7805]

sorry i was Hayden for a Minuet i heard something Baroque but i came Bach in time to finish my Liszt on grocery Chopin

[@FictionWriter95]

You are my favorite kind of person for many different reasons

[@culbycove4963]

Cheeky Mozart is cheeky

[@galacticacorn7805]

+Culby Cove what can i say women are Scarce they can't Handel my cheeky self

[@procarpenter1788]

Ok, I'm impressed. Good job!

[@y0urs03pic]

God. I Love Music Puns

[@bradley_gober]

The old bows look like a German bass bow.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

We now have Carbon Fiber Bows (CodaBow Joule works with anything) which hold up alot better.

[@AlvaSudden]

damn, I thought he was going to bang those instruments together that wouldv'e gotten him fired i bet

[@همامالعراقي-ن2ن]

Grande...... Grazie 🌹 🌹 🌹 🌹 🌹 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@joemother3811]

I am the only one in my class with a Baroque violin

[@KC9UDX]

Tredon Aldridge when you're in a class of your own...

[@patriciajrs46]

It's obvious that the Baroque violin is thinner. That's interesting. I like the Baroque sound.

[@deja75m]

The baroque violin is noticeably lighter also. I have a handmade modern baroque violin made by a now retired luthier from the violinmaking school in Salt Lake City...it is now 25yrs old and sounds like it should..warm with a solid core acoustic wood sound...with a nice sympathetic ring after the short bow attack ends...a kind of hum...good wood and great materials..the fingerboard is veneered spruce!...light as a feather and a pleasure to play...sometimes we get lucky and win the tone lottery...5 grand in 1996...wouldn't sell it for under 25 grand today...I am 70 yrs young...maker was John Jacob Karwandy..labelled john jacob karvendi...an award winner in Canada...thanks for the info...I actually enjoy learning new stuff about my past musical adventures.

[@Arthas1011]

I would assume, given that he said the lengths weren't standardised, it would possibly have been down to the personal preference and dimensions of the violinist of the period. This is, of course, my own personal hypothesis.

[@Judexy22]

Certainly this is a great video ! I wish some sound samples were inserted for our pleasure. I am still a Learner, starting late ! I have an old Chinese Bow (1995) that got distorted. The wood is curving outward. For some reason, I have the impression that this outward curve of the wood, reduces the bow bouncing. Recently, I saw on the net the new incredibow with outward curve. Have not tried it yet. Thank you.

[@robviolin1]

Very helpful, thanks

[@justinebaker6491]

So interesting thank you

[@talkaholic1]

Thank you for your knowledge

[@gsilcoful]

Thank you.

[@karahan246]

THanks for your video, very interesting. Wish you can tell more differences between Baroque instruments and their modern "brothers and sisters"

[@junrodriguez4250]

I thought he was going to accidentally drop them.

[@YankeeFiddler13850]

I had thought that Baroque violins were shorter by an inch or two, not as short as a 3/4 vs a 4/4 however. I was surprised to see that the two instruments compared at the beginning were similar in body length.

[@richardmuncey9860]

Stradivarias lived in the |Baroque era!

[@YankeeFiddler13850]

Yes he did.

[@jimgilbert2340]

+Steven Davidson Strad did experiment with adding extra length to his violins for a while.

[@Adrian_AdamViolonDiGerma-tm3nq]

No handmade Violin is the same, they all have their own unique character because even the wood used uses different parts, from different trees, and different types For each violin. (I know its not relatable with the Topic)

[@Alte_Rego]

Get a modern violin, and two bows: A modern bow, and a baroque bow. This allows you to play both styles pretty well :)

[@shy.kumquat]

The 'modern' violin looks like a violin made in the baroque period that was changed to a modern set up, and the 'baroque' violin, looks like a modern violin with a baroque set up. How confusing.

[@marcosPRATA918]

Aula refinada!

[@pacman7654]

fascinating thank you!

[@Chris.S.XIIVMCMXCII]

6:09 lol

[@ilyasnm837]

The most important aspect is missing: the sound! :(

[@mrhitleroi]

More curious about the difference of the sound between them.

[@lavoxii]

It’s shame you didn’t demonstrate two different violins sound like.

[@PaAndIom]

Buen video! Como se llama la musica del principio?

[@CarolineViolinMusic]

Carbon fibre even density and weather resistant

[@frenchiecocorico1]

I- According to bow makers, pernambuco is more resilient, suppler, lighter, more homogeneous than snakewood. So, It's rot resistant and can be put out of form scarcely. Snakewood has this qualities too but in a less degree. The snakewood disadvantages are its weight and its highter rigidity. Snakewood can included knots too leading to fissures and cracks. Pernambuco bows are well believed to be of the best quality by all the makers. But the most important is the bow maker adjustements.

[@RealmofWanderingFire]

I've been fancying to play the violin. Though, now I am interested in playing the baroque violin as well. Should I start by playing the baroque, or modern violin first?

[@Chrismacleod777]

Very interesting!

[@DSebSB]

I clicked to see the only thing he didn't do :(

[@jockellis]

The top of my Meinel violin body has the same shape as the first modern fiddle you showed. I’ve never seen that same shape. It doesn’t look like a Strad.

[@frenchiecocorico1]

II- However, previous and during the Baroque period only hazelnut, yew, larsh and later snakewood were used for bow making. Pernambuco was used mainly for romantic bow. Today it's proved carbon fiber is the best and cheaper material for bow making. Though in aim to respect the time uses, the frog wouldn't be equiped with ferrule on a baroque bow but with rack, would you ? Producing tiny sound doesnt involve the bow but the violinist ability and sometimes the violin on a baroque model.

[@J_Damico_Arts]

I am learning Bach to play for a wedding of on of my friends. I have a moth to learn it, and I wanted to know if you could give me tips on learning it. Also, I've been wanting to know the difference between the tuning of a baroque and a modern. Emilie Autumn, a violinist, said that the baroque was tuned in slightly lower notes than a modern violin.

[@artemivanov5542]

How did it go

[@jimobrien84]

Are you guys all at Haymarket now?

[@brasilviolinista2410]

lindo! Bravo!

[@omriavidov154]

intro piece anyone?

[@micheloliveira6718]

I also want to know. עמרי אבידב

[@Sura12356]

I came hear it's sound, but you didn't play it. What a shame..

[@macrobbair]

My violin fingerboard has sunk again, does that make it baroque?

[@profsrjamesmoriarty]

Simple. The authentic/period/baroque (etc) instruments sounds much better.

[@keplergso8369]

The biggest difference is the sound ! And this recording does not make hear it !

[@putraswarga608]

What's the intro song?

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

This guy has an accent like Skallagrim.

[@ajwiebe]

@bandreification I know. Absurd. I might as well have read a wiki entry instead. The BaroqueBand segment on clavichord/harpsichord/piano is outstanding, though.

[@catherineinghram2044]

Do they sound very different?

[@joemeyer6876]

Rosen when?

[@stanleygagner]

My god, show a viola!

[@rexwhitehead8346]

There were things to criticise, but his "thick" accent wasn't one of them. And it's a southern English accent, no northerner, much less a Scot or a Welshman, ever spoke like that.

[@digitalblasphemy1100]

microphone is too close to the chest. its vibrating the microphone

[@詹付台-l9f]

晚安，很好聽哦喲～

[@Bruno-hd9qo]

詹付台 ahhh, got it.

[@ericli9811]

What's that instrument playing in the intro? Just wondering thanks

[@alivia5530]

Eric Li An older version of the modern piano, I believe.

[@TheGeographyWatch]

Eric Li Harpsichord

[@raygordonteacheschess5501]

If you are Baroque you are in need of Monet.

[@petergrimshaw3403]

☝🏻QUESTION: Why are all the instruments CGI and all the sounds from a digital library?

[@iurydelio786]

Which one is harder to play?

[@nostalgiakarlk.f.7386]

where is he from?

[@OZindustries]

for god sakes....you can of course change the strings of baroque violin...but the strings that you should change should be Gut strings...and even many "modernised" specially for concert violins uses bare gut strings...

[@m713954268]

如果有中文字幕可以翻譯就好了 😭

[@jacksonbiscuit]

Harpsichord I'd wager :)

[@Harpsichord246]

Just Google it.

[@voyegerkane2301]

Why is an English person using American measurements?

[@Losttoanyreason]

Wow no sound comparison, bummer tease. All talk no action.

[@PianoMeSasha]

his monotonal dry voice is just unbearable, along with the echo in the miking.

[@samuelsantarromana2512]

I don't speak english. Enought I can't stand this video. Can you translate a spain, plis.

[@sirdickmccockneyiii5134]

1:57 so .. are vegans allowed to play violin? xddd

[@throatsinginggambist8927]

DuckMySick Most modern violins use metal strings, so yeah I guess.

[@Cosporcos-Q]

If it ain't baroque, don't fix it! I'll see myself out

[@rico6546]

Daniel Pedersen r/wooooooosh

[@Chrismacleod777]

Very interesting!

[@vinzer72frie]

I think we all here just came for sound difference not physical differences lol

[@mx_godbehere]

Really? I would've been hugely disappointed to find it was just a sound clip from each one without any discussion of the physical differences. It might've been nice to have heard them both played, but I was mainly here for the technical details, not the sound.

[@MariadeBsAs]

What's the name of the beautiful harpsichord piece at the start and end? Does anybody know? Thanks!

[@jasmine543210]

Very informative video but could you post another where you play the baroque violin with a baroque bow alongside a modern one so that we could hear the difference?

[@hopefulhyena3400]

Whenever I see someone else holding a violin, I always think they look bigger than I expect, but then when I hold a violin in my hands, it feels incredibly small.

[@stewart335]

What's that harpsichord piece at the start and end?

[@frenchiecocorico1]

I- Woods used to make bows were different in accordance to the period, the technical and style needs No wood is versatile Snakewood was used at the very late of the baroque period and during the classical times During the baroque period the bow wood depended on the producing country and the wood availability. Italian makers used frequently the yew while german's rather larch. English, french, spanish or dutch who had colonies in America or Africa used exotic woods instead of locals

[@IamUncledeuce]

I have to ask a question. Stradivarius and other older violins made during the Baroque Period which continue to be played today in a modern setup would mean that those old instruments of high-value have been altered. Why then does that not affect the price negatively as they are no longer in their original configuration? Antique furniture for example if altered or refinished takes a huge drop in value from an original piece that has not been tampered with.

[@jhontran]

As wood instruments mature and age, the wood opens up and produces a much richer, brighter sound, which causes increases in value

[@kcgunesq]

@@jhontran Prove it.

[@chrispypancake]

I enjoyed that talk. I'm no musician but it's good to understand the differences between the older violin and the more modern incarnation of the same instrument. It would have helped had there been sound to demonstrate how different they are but I'm sure there are other videos to watch which will give that information. Thanks.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

1:57 We're using Sheep Gut Strings on the Baroque Violin where as w/ Modern Violins we typically use Steel/Synthetic Strings.

[@jimmyshrimbe9361]

Damn, 9 years ago. I wonder what these guys are up to now.

[@jimmyshrimbe9361]

The website is gone. I'll try the phone number

[@diegofotuche]

This is my Favorite Video on KZbin. Very informative, and better than reading a book about violin. Thank you, keep doing excellence.

[@stevem9754]

Interesting information but all rather rushed and why do it in a church? Compariing them side by side on a table would have been better and clearer, showing different measurements, not just waving the violins around using one to point to the other...bizarre demonstration technique! Agree with previous comments about why no demo of sound too.

[@Icreachusalad]

What is the harpsichord pre- and post- lude? Beautiful!