Bataille Contra Deleuze: Sadism and Masochism with Tiger Liu

"A sadist and a masochist walk into a podcast, the masochist says 'hurt me', the sadist says 'no'" Our laughter at such a scene conveys our habitual association between violence and possession, De Sade and Sacher-Masoch, or to take them in their 20th century philosophical champions: Georges Bataille and Gilles Deleuze. How are Sadism and Masochism problems not only of psychology, but logical problems of philosophy and the limits of reason? How does the economy of each relation to one's self and the other pose not only ethical, but political and ecological problems for thought today? Adam, Craig, and Noah are joined by researcher Tiger Liu, who recently finished a graduate dissertation on Masochism, psychoanalysis, and General Economy to discuss the legacies of this conjecture, and the new lines of flight that can be revealed in light of Sacher-Masoch and his legacy.
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[@EdT.-xt6yv]

11:15 14:01 eternal reccurrence, irony ,THE FALL 🍁 & heaviness of BEING 43:00 sadistic contract w/ nature & chaos

[@ethanpettit]

The criminal does not just deserve punishment, he has a right to it. - Hegel

[@powderr6964]

Is the dissertation available online? Really interesting episode.

[@pedromontekling732]

would love to read it as well but couldn't find it online

[@atana.potnia]

This is OT but everytime I watch your podcast episodes Adam's background makes me want to listen to Sleep.

[@TheWoozly]

If you folks do end up reading The Three Body Problem, I think diving into the book's themes of what you might call "The Thirst for Annihilation" (wink!) would be pretty interesting. It is, at the end, I think, a character study of a profoundly masochistic individual who expresses those masochistic energies in sadistic ways. Granted, given its cultural backdrop and themes of regeneration through destruction and the complexities of the Cultural Revolution, much of the book (and part of The Dark Forest, its sequel) explores themes of interstellar realpolitik vs. naivete and some other simpler ideas that are more boilerplate space opera stuff... but I think an exploration of the fun the author has with invasion or apocalypse as masochistic practice could be awful neat.

[@TheWoozly]

An excellent episode, by the way. I enjoy Tiger Liu's suggestions and ideas and would like to read more from them.

[@Kellyjordan071181]

Very much appreciated this episode. Currently mid-way through a Ph.D on masochism and aurality/orality. Is it possible to access Tiger's dissertation?

[@AcidHorizon]

Can you DM me on Twitter or Patreon to get it?

[@ethanpettit]

This was a great discussion! Thank you!

[@FXCV7913]

DOPESMOKER OMG, people also hear Sleep?

[@aaronquant429]

Christmas arrived early. I always wanted to explore this topic further. Excellent !!!

[@Nilnaberius6727]

Pls make C.J. Cala colab ;-;

[@adriansaker4058]

That would be intetrsting!

[@CeBePuH]

Galicia is mountains, the Carpathians, not plains. Ukraine is bigger than France or Germany, west is all mountainous, east is plains, south is beaches (Black and Azov seas). Anyway... Your best episode so far.

[@IPlayWithFire135]

At least it used to be.

[@grammata312]

1:07:05 Dario Argento

[@raymondanderson3624]

38:18 Three Mothers

[@byronfoodjikla]

Is Tiger's dissertation anywhere available, I'd be very interested in reading it or at least gaining access to its bibliography. Great discussion overall!

[@AcidHorizon]

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[@-arche-7926]

@@AcidHorizon you have your dms shut. :/

[@grammata312]

I prefer Bataille

[@azliaheaven]

thank you

[@AcidHorizon]

You're welcome