Batman Should Kill Joker: A Conversation with Colin

[@QB.113]

Gotta side with Colin on this one. If Bruce Wayne's objective is to prevent people from suffering like he did and to stop crime, and criminals like the Joker are constantly escaping just to commit more crime, then he should just put an end to the Joker. It's dumb that superheros feign some moral superiority/impetus by not killing those who kill, when that "morality" costs thousands of lives.

[@ImagineMarshmallow]

but it would cost his morality ;)

[@JohnRichards67]

Oisin Doyle Well it shouldn't. This isn't about Batman, it's about the people of Gotham. They look to Batman for protection and hope. If he just simply lets Joker live, he's practically poisoning the city. True, he may save some lives from Joker along the way, but he'll only be delaying the inevitable. If he killed Joker, he'd be saving thousands of lives. True, he would be killing, but he would be killing for a HIGHER purpose, not just for the purpose of a couple of laughs.

[@SplitGoose]

Joker sells comics. Simple. There is no suitable reason given IN the comics, but IRL Joker sells -- that's all that's keeping him alive. In fact Batman has been responsible for the deaths of a few antagonists in the past.

[@jackgray2419]

"But he's not above the law." It doesn't matter. He's already breaking the law just by being Batman. He's already a criminal. He doesn't need to uphold the law because that's the point. He works outside the law.

[@speedy4574]

Exactly. This is why I don't take these fat coomer comic book nerds seriously. They're fucking losers.

[@TriclopstheInfinite]

5:43 Dozens of children are orphaned by supervillians that batman has let run buck wild. I'm with Colin on this.

[@Fireshowgaming]

Batman does this so he can have more Robins just in case one dies or quits

[@TriclopstheInfinite]

Fireshowgaming Interesting

[@ProdigyComics]

Since joker is technically a serial killer why doesnt the gotham justice system just execute him? It happens all the time. I dont know why joker, an extremely dangerous killer who is unpredictable and escapes time and time again to kill more shouldn't get a death sentence. Thats what I really dont understand about the batman comics

[@vtcbatman2444]

He's mentally unstable so he always gets a free pass and this is what people say to it's like this man killers hundreds of people he deserves to die an they're like it's not his fault he was pushed by batman

[@drawergyj3715]

some states don't give the death penalty

[@DownHavenEnt]

BATMAN: I fight crime so no child has to endure what I went through. Me: I hope you know Joker just broke out AGAIN and killed a innocent man who had a family AGAIN. BATMAN: I'm on it. ME: oh and two face killed 22 people... Who had families AGAIN. BATMAN: Damn, this is the 2nd time! ME: Jokers out again and killed cops... Who have a family. Batman: what? It's been two weeks! He's out again? ME: so... What do you fight for? BATMAN: so no child has to go through what I went... Oh I see what you're doing...

[@KaosNova2]

Batman has caught a falling Joker many times. Even if he doesn't slash Joker's throat, snap his neck, etc. then he can just pull a Batman Begins and let him fall to his death on the pavement.

[@DownHavenEnt]

suemorphplus2009 I don't mind a killer Batman at all

[@KaosNova2]

Down Haven Entertainment Have you read The Dark Knight Strikes Again? It's the sequel to Dark Knight Returns, and Batman sits back and lets villains die, he also kills a villain himself during the story. You can also get volume 1 of Batman Chronicles, because in 1939, Batman killed criminals.

[@DownHavenEnt]

suemorphplus2009 yep! :D

[@blablash]

Let Joker live The Joker kills 1000 more people. Kill Joker. No more deaths... right?

[@MentalStillness]

blablash Of course you'll still have Two-face, Ras Al ghul, Prof. Pyg and they'll be next. Joker is at the top of the list.

[@CyberExpansionLLC]

@William Lawrence exactly

[@sudafedup]

@William Lawrence a few weeks late. So Batman should allow for the Joker and others to kill based on his own personal morals? So I should kill Stalin because "err, murder bad even if it is one committing atrocities in a country where he constantly gets away. Errr... "

[@sudafedup]

@William Lawrence shouldn't* I meant. But it is an interesting thought experiment.

[@alexharris991]

@William Lawrence 9 months late but Batman could just let someone else kill him. Like he doesn’t have to do it just don’t intervene. I’m pretty sure Batman has WATCHED joker kill ppl. Just watch some more

[@JohnRichards67]

Here's where many comic book fans are wrong. If Batman killed, he would still be better than Joker. Joker kills for money, fame, and just for a couple of laughs. If Batman killed, he would be doing it for the sake of the people of Gotham. It's the purpose that counts, not just the action.

[@jackgray2419]

Stephen The13th Yes, there are people that think that if batman kills joker then he'll be no better. Honestly comics have people brainwashed into thinking that killing someone to protect another makes you a bad person.

[@davidspearim5552]

The Joker don't really care for money

[@blondiemancojoe1066]

Watch under the red hood. He says he could never come back after killing.

[@el-kiote]

Joker doesn't kill for money. The dark knight is a prime example of that

[@TheJRSvideos]

The HUGE problem with all these comic book characters refusing to simply kill the villain (who will break out of jail over and over again), is that he'll keep on killing more people. So by not killing the bad guy, they're basically allowing more innocent people to be killed. I'm sorry, but how is that just?

[@MentalStillness]

The Killing Joke is a joke. Joker can't and doesn't want to change so end him. Batman came off like a coward to me. I agree with Jason Todd. We're not talking about Peguin, Riddler or Two Face here we're talking about The damn Joker.

[@blondiemancojoe1066]

Stephen The13th yup and I love the evil brilliant bastard. He will always be back baby.

[@gregshoners]

I miss them

[@McMuguets]

"Maybe we just need to take this guy out back....and kill him!" Made my day haha

[@Nilly-tube]

Greg and Colin, you guys should do a podcast together... Seriously though, this is my favorite channel on KZbin, I'd love more, or even a non-game podcast where you guys just talk. BEYOND!

[@BIGMACdotCOM]

Easily my new favorite show on KZbin! Keep them coming Greg and Colin!

[@MentalStillness]

It's not murder when you kill a psychopath.

[@MajeekProTV]

Ive been WAITING for Colin to elaborate on this more ever since it was brought up on Beyond. Thanks guys and BEYOND!!!

[@acousticboy9029]

Every person that doesn't think batman can kill looks like the dude on the left

[@TheZenZuke]

Best conversation so far, keep them up guys!

[@SmoothActor]

C'mon now, the PUNISHER Isn't popular? Give me a break, I highly disagree. Out of all the characters he's the only one that makes sense in the real world, just like the guy said.

[@lonelywolf5659]

Harlen Peirce but yeah but he takes it too far look what the people with mutant look what they do. Half of them didn't even listen to reason. And if I should try to kill anyone even a villain that reformed which usually brings them back to becoming a villain but I do like Punisher

[@DubRXSTi]

It's cool to get to know you guys outside of the IGN zone. Keep these coming. Beyond!

[@01MaverickTen10]

These are fantastic, guys. I'm thoroughly enjoying them. And did Colin use the word litigious? God, I love these.

[@Namdead]

These are so awesome. I love them. Makes each Tuesday and Thursday more enjoyable. BEYOND!

[@kapatts]

I usually disagree with Colin, but I've been saying this for years. As long as Batman lets The Joker and Mr. Zsazz live, he's putting his moral code above the actual lives of Gotham City's citizen. He's letting them die so he can say, "I'm not as bad as THOSE guys." That's bullshit!

[@gtoor14]

you guys should do one on the New York Jets and the tumultuous season ahead for them.

[@noahmartin375]

Colin would love the batman in flash point paradox

[@OliverPaulino]

Colin your such a fascinating person to hear speak, don't ever stop this!

[@uzumak1sage]

"take him out back and kill him" lmao, GO COLIN!!!

[@blubba818]

I’ve heard good arguments that Batman actually has a moral obligation to kill Joker, since the system has failed completely, he’s the only one able to do it, and the Joker will continue to kill and kill if he’s not stopped.

[@Saracenar]

Loved this one. Do more superhero/comics discussions!

[@NalyoGaming]

Todays episode of A Conversation With Colin should have been called An Argument About Comic book heros not killing bad guys between Colin & Greg

[@TheIrishGamerGuy]

Colin should read the Killing Joke.....that ending is brilliant

[@michaeldulson3231]

I loved the Punisher movie with Thomas Jane. Awesome flick. :)

[@PTFODylan]

Hit you up with your 1000th Like Greg! Recently found your channel (Big fan of your IGN stuff) and have been going through alot of these videos. Keep it up buddy :)

[@drthene]

Greg reads Invincible and that deals with killing villians. Great episode

[@Chewiejds]

Haha, I think they do that on purpose for the show. Greg normally wears a tshirt, but he wears a shirt and tie in all these.

[@EliasBatche]

Hey now, I love The Punisher. His new comic book is awesome.

[@dominus571]

Please do a conversation about Superman not being interesting. This is how I have always felt about the character and I would love to hear Colin's take on it.

[@uzumak1sage]

7:14 was when greg was gettin the bonesaw ready for colin's comment about superman

[@micronoid]

The latest run on the Punisher written by Greg Rucka is totally worth checking out. If you've never been on board with the Punisher Ruckas interpretation of the character might change your mind.

[@IsMySofaComfortable]

i got you for 3 minutes, 3 minutes of play time

[@thenamesking34]

i stand with Colin. I'm a reader and i believe what he's saying is legit. And FTR Punisher IS COOL AND POPULAR ! Seems like our fat guy over there just trying to win without making any sense. Batman don't believe to be above the law but he's not above the law when he's breaking bones, giving major internal injuries, putting them in coma. Ironic huh! The writers of the batman doesn't make sense. They don't know logic. He believes that killing joker will make him just like him, so what? it's not wrong. Killing a MONSTER doesn't make him a monster for the sake of the people. This part is hilarious, batman don't want any child to suffer like him that's why he doesn't kill but for not killing the likes of joker the creation of orphan kids has been increased wtf! Most of the things about batman doesn't make any sense. He's a mentally ill person should be treated in asylum. I don't care if fanboys don't agree with me. i'm spitting realism.

[@melind82]

It could be an amazing comic book timeline if Gotham passed a law to legalize the death penalty.

[@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi]

Here's where many comic book fans are wrong. If Batman killed, he would still be better than Joker. Joker kills for money, for fun, and just to make people suffer. If Batman killed, he would be doing it for the sake of the people of Gotham. It's the purpose that counts, not just the action. But To me, it doesn't have to be Batman to kill the Joker. It can be James Gordon Or some Police Officer Or Jason Todd, Or Harley Quinn Or, anyone else. ANYBODY ELSE CAN KILL THE JOKER! BATMAN DOESN'T HAVE TOO!

[@broceratops1337]

all i thought of from 2:46 - 3:02 was those glasses in the back are gonna come crashing down into that sink.

[@Renocide]

Is the sound low on this for anyone else? Greg! Pump up the volume!!!

[@evanpascoe8926]

I just love these, great fun guys, see y'all Thursday :-)

[@ktrl47]

Great videos guys Keep em UP!!! BEYOND!!!!!!

[@jjrileyno1]

Great episode guys

[@artezdessus3056]

Batman would rather let innocent lives on his conscious even though he didnt commit the murders than the life of the killer

[@alexlawrence8957]

I love how these were all done on the same day in the same clothes

[@mrshmuga9]

I agree with Colin's points, the only problem is (at least for comics) is that you'd run out of comics with no villain... or you'd use a new villain for a while, do the same and then have a new one etc. But the Joker I guess is just too iconic to kill off. However they could always have some other person step up as the "new" Joker. I have no idea, so many possibilities.

[@DivergentAndDragons]

Greg, you're my favourite person I allow in my ears... You sir are awesome and I congratulate you on Fragging cancer and remaining wholly entertaining throughout!

[@platanogames]

LMAO, when he ask about the district attorneys and you answer was "They're all dead" lol

[@layneisnotreal]

Colin, you should check out the animated film Batman Under the Red Hood. The story makes Batman confront the consequences of not being able to end Joker's life.

[@ArexRee000]

I love these videos. To your good health Greg.

[@JReed1985]

I always asked myself why Batman doesn't kill the Joker but in one scene in the animated Batman film "Batman: Under the Red Hood", Batman gives an interesting statement that if he did become a murderer, he would Loose himself to a darker and sinister personality.

[@chaselearkendall]

And then the dark knight happened.

[@JReed1985]

Pretty much

[@TheThreeHeadedDragon]

It's not a fallacy.

[@KupaMan]

You've got to think, if a police officer was in a stand-off with a murderer, he would be justified in killing him in order to protect civilians. Why can't superheroes get away with the same line of logic? Also, Punisher is awesome.

[@813R]

I definetly agree with Colin, I've always believed that after a villian is caught and sent to jail a couple of times he or she should just be killed by either the hero or the law. It would help the comic world of which ever comic more, then just locking them up just so they can escape again. The Punisher was a ggod choice to bring up. I personaly would have chosen MoonKnight.

[@luciddre4m]

Binge watching! Based on their clothes, they must've filmed a bunch of these back-to-back. I can't get enough!

[@Fouromaly]

batman doesn't need to kill the joker.. the people of Gotham need to. Regardless of what he's done to batman, he's done more to the people and I think that the Joker should get the gas chamber, or electric chair from the people.. that'll be the end of joker but new room for more villains because let's be honest joker had a good run but now it's time to go

[@Styleshift88]

Yes yes yeeeees. People need to stop with this nonsense of a superhero killing their villains. Gotham's legal system is responsible for each time the joker breaks out.

[@Boss_Isaac]

+Styleshift88 True.

[@chirpppy]

finally we need more of these

[@sleepyperson21]

I wonder what Collin would think of the tv show Arrow on The CW. After watching this conversation and the whole issue of no killing with superheroes.

[@jmitchellrobertson]

This conversation is a textbook study of the classic deontological-teleological dichotomy. Colin embodies the teleological argument for morality, where actions are judged "right" based upon their consequences (kill the bad guy, save many people). Conversely, Greg - and most heroes - endorse the deontological theory: that actions should be judged based upon conforming to a set of rules (i.e., heroes don't kill). Excellent discussion! This video should be shown in freshman philosophy classes.

[@liamdurks90]

I think the thing with batman, or even Bruce Wayne, not killing the joker is because he is worried that if he murders the Joker, he will snap and possibly going on a rampage

[@Allmybrain]

deffinatly the best conversation with colin!

[@nayte23]

this is why the punisher is awesome, He's cold and collected, thinking logically. he is over the top sometimes though, he once used polar bears to attack one of his enemies, causing them to lose their arms and legs, then punts that quadruple amputee into a house fire.

[@aahmm]

Love the videos. Any one else have to turn their volume up a bunch? Seems quiet.

[@lowdenjake]

Nah Colin is totally right on this one lol. I am totally 10 years late here but had to make my thoughts known. Joker is totally worthy of being murdered.

[@lowdenjake]

Mats Martensson shattering my worldview and sending me on an existential journey with that reply lol

[@jonathantrottier3481]

i would like to see a batman run that had him killing the villains and the evolution his character would take as it slowly turned him into a sociopath and his inevitable down fall at the hands of nightwing or robin someone that was close to him and watched him slip then for the memory of who he was and why he became batman to just put him down

[@radiofilia]

this reminds me the joke of robot chicken about Batman almost killing the joker, and then the joker gets the electric chair sentence and Gordon doesn't put the sponge on jokers head like in green mile.

[@imuzakify]

I'd agree that metropolis is likely New York, but I'd argue that Gotham is more likely Boston than Chicago due to the many city shots near a harbor or body of water of some kind.

[@TheLaw-1996]

Batman is a female dog because of his choice not to kill the joker

[@punisher433]

it's more of the line will become blurry, and what is to stop them, from killing crooks. He's no executioner.

[@chaselearkendall]

Spit my cereal all over when I heard Greg's impersonation of Bonesaw xD

[@LukeMonahan]

I think colon's biggest question of the Deontological side would be where to the rules originate. Are we going with social mores or is there some sort of a priori knowledge. Perhaps this knowledge is only possessed by the "super" heroes and that is what makes them super, not a mutant spider bite.

[@dragonrider712]

You've put me on the fence now....THANX GUYS!!! ;(

[@PTSDirections]

liked Colin's comment about Superman at the end.

[@Zeldaschampion]

I got Mark Hamil doing his version of the Joker saying "Why So serious?" on my Channel.

[@Dr.Jekyll_]

colin u should watch the dark knight returns part 1 and 2 also under the redhood oh and batman beyond return of the joker.

[@Hormiii]

A Batman-movie where Batman kills his enemies would be fucking great.

[@Zeldaschampion]

According to smallville Metropolis is Kansas city

[@StevenTCShearer]

As far as I'm aware it changes a lot of the time. Some writers set it in New York and others in Chicago

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

Batman could cripple Joker from the waist down or neck down, like he did in the Dark Knight Returns. it wouldn't kill him but he wouldn't be able to do the evil shit he does

[@marcosacevedou8723]

I think Colin should try comics outside of the super hero genre or at least Punisher MAX or Matt Fractions Hawkeye.

[@tenkensan1]

Batman wants to make sure that no child has to suffer the same fate as him....... yeah I am sure all those whose children whose parents were killed by the joker would agree that batman is doing a fine job......

[@christopherironmonkey4144]

Colin needs to watch Superman vs. The Elite best way to show why hero's can't kill and also just pretty awesome.

[@stunt11520]

Gotham is in NY or New Jersey it is close to Metropolis. I believe the distance is 50 to 100 miles always.

[@cameronkfraser]

Colin should watch James Bond movies. The villain always dies, and there's always a new, interesting villain.

[@gigarumeshtube]

What about the fact that he has other villains to worry about?

[@josephwiese2656]

I am a comic book fan I try to stay up to date with the new heroes but I agree that at some point they just need to die. We are so spoiled by this ever lasting conflict that I kust want to see one batman comic were batman snaps and grabs a gun and shoots joker. Thus putting a end to the crime in gotham. If two face and penguin see that batman killed someone then they would probably be so scared of him they would stop commiting crime. Batman may give up his morality but it is so crime will stop and thousands of people survive. I would rather me be sent to jail for the greater good of an entire cities safety.

[@jackgray2419]

Joseph Wiese If you wanna see batman shoot the joker look up Thomas Wayne Batman on earth 2. He straight up shot joker right in the head without a seconds hesitation. I may be in the minority on this, but Thomas is a much better batman then Bruce.

[@pokeray88]

Bruce Wayne did want to kill in batman begins. He wanted to shoot the guy that murdered his parents but before he was able to pull the trigger someone else shot the guy. Rachel then told Bruce Wayne to piss off

[@Neuroticmancer]

They can't kill each other because they love each other, they're two sides of the same coin and all they have is each other

[@MrHamoman]

Man this was great

[@aznpanda510x]

That why i like RED HOOD.

[@radmanpedram3214]

aznpanda510x red hood is more logical than batman

[@101ThingsVita]

awesome video !!

[@VersusSEED]

Did you ever watch Superman vs The Elite? It answers why you DON'T want a Superman without a moral center. It's addresses whether the hero should or shouldn't kill the villain plus what the citizens stance on the controversy would be. It exemplifies Superman's character when addressing these heavy issues. Ya might wan check it out, it's entertaining

[@sciguyjeff]

I agree with Colin. Greg - think one word - POLICE? or MILITARY? These true heroes are sometimes forced to kill a nut case and they don't turn into one. Sorry, you lose.

[@braken67]

@GameOverGreggy many of batman villans are, I'd say, a remixed version of him. for instance ra's al ghul wants good for the world. but he's tried to do it "the right way" for so long that he saw himself become a villan. joker is the exact opposite of batman. victor zsasz had a company, his parents died and he became depressed and started killing eventually. what I find interesting to see is how bruce wayne has managed to cope with all this stuff and keep doing good cuz being a villan is easy

[@tomiahorvath]

If you dont like Superman or it's hard to understand his character or personality, please read/watch All-Star Superman from Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely! I think its an amazing story and it changed my whole perspective about Superman.

[@DestinRL]

Garth Ennis' Punisher was extremely popular.

[@Chewiejds]

I really don't know why I keep watching these, but I do, and I love 'em! xD