Battle of Edoras Unboxing ~ Is it worth buying?

[@GollumGamers]

Extremely happy to see active content creators who are purely dedicated to SBG being sent these review copies - props to GW 👏

[@EntmootVideos]

Seconded. At least one on the actual SBG channels got one 😅

[@mykealdridge186]

SBG doesn’t get enough, love these guys

[@star_wars_miniatures]

Do GW randomly just send content creators these free boxes? Or does the content creator have to reach out to GW?

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Games Workshop seems to have sent out so many of these boxes I'll be surprised if they have any to sell...

[@EntmootVideos]

@@star_wars_miniaturesthey appear to have pretty strict rules on subscriber numbers and views required before you can get oreview stuff. Though, they’re not fussy about what that channel is actually about. I’ve seen plenty of non SBG channels get boxsets cus they just always get free stuff 🫠

[@caseybox7816]

Congratulations Jacob! Getting GW review copies says a lot about the work you put in and the outstanding content you create. I can’t wait to get my hands on this box set.

[@wuothanar3544]

This is exactly the video I was hoping to see when opening KZbin today

[@joshmortimer3433]

Great video and is nice to see you got a preview box to showcase. Thats recognition of your standing in the community. look forward to your next video.

[@raulok432]

Awesome content! Love the channel. I am relatively new to the game and this new edition seems perfect to sink my teeth into it. I hope you upload more videos for begginers, maybe breaking down the main rules and army building for the new edition. With some tips on how to best start approaching the hobby.

[@ghostofalltime4934]

Great video mate, I am just getting into MESBG now, I have bought my first box of Easterlings, not ecstatic of what I am reading online about the changes to army construction.

[@samsmith9451]

There’s currently 3 armies you can run in the army, legions of Mordor looks insane! Expect to see at lot more easterling models in the future, there featured in the new film

[@greenplasticmoose8843]

If it was up to me I would find proxies for the Legacy models and have a “backup” last edition army to run. I’m sure many people are in the same situation and would love to run Legacy!

[@timothypollard6008]

What I've seen of the new rules look like generally an improvement; "the same but 10% better", though there are one or two changes I'm not a huge fan of. On the other hand the list building stuff in the "Armies of X" books? I got 500 words into trying to explain the leaks I had seen to a newbie on Reddit who wanted to know which Isengard models to buy, and then realised I wasn't even close to finishing, and just gave up.

[@cetx]

I'm really glad to see that there are so many pieces. I've loved the sculpts of MESBG in the past, but always felt like shortcuts were taken on implementation just to keep them push-fit monopose. I like pushfit monopose, but not when it sacrifices quality. This looks more complex to build, but I'm thinking the results are going to be much better.

[@amysnuggs]

The models look incredible, can’t wait to get them!

[@Nephilim225]

Just preordered the box and new Army book for LOTR as well. Looking forward to this arriving

[@Harrison-cr2wl]

I hope Gw do more plastics in this style! Ordered mine this morning

[@Blastoice]

Ahhh I miss the metals 😢

[@gobos1186]

Thanks for the video, can't wait to learn the game!

[@Biggest-bear]

I'm so damn excited to get my hands on these new models and just to play the new edition, I'm loving everything I've seen so far.

[@ollikainulainen9590]

Why, everything seems worse in new edition? No proper list making, deleting units and armies. Rules wise cannot say yet much. But what is better in new edition?

[@Gheydragon]

Thanks for the video, nice to see some positive light shed on it compared to the gloom and doom shared on reddit, etc. Keen to get my set and jump into the new edition!

[@wulvercreative6511]

Honestly so excited, already got large Mordor and minas Tirith armies but this is gonna be the start of a new army for a new edition for me ☺️

[@yogot8001]

Thanks for the unboxing bro 🎉🎉

[@roberthayes9615]

Good look at the kit!

[@mabinogion7023]

$445 retail in NZ. We get an extra GW tax even compared with aus. Like the detail on the new figs and excited for the new rules.

[@joshuaorourke1976]

You can get it for 378.50NZD from Kapiti Hobbies.

[@ARVETDEG]

Ugh. I hate this new trend of GW of in order to build one mini with zero customization, it's divided into a zillion parts. Sad to see this in newer kits. Good thing I'm not into Rohan and will only get the Rules Manual and Army Book of LOTR

[@ConquestCreations]

There are plenty of customization options for the Wildmen you have choices of spears, swords, two handed weapons, flaming brands, and light shields. When it comes to the warriors of Rohan they are really easy to convert for some for variety. I'll have a video showing off some of my conversions very soon!

[@ARVETDEG]

@ConquestCreations I'll definitely will look forward for those conversions! Love your channel! Still, I think GW makes too many unnecessary parts to build one mini and especially in places that don't make no sense. Some great miniatures that do a great job of allowing customizations and conversions is Wargames Atlantic. I bought two boxes of Halflings (Hobbits ;]) from them to proxy, and they're a delight! Their sprues are a zillion times better than GW sprues, and more efficient and miniature builder friendly, and still allow you for better and awesome customization. Just had to print some axes from them, and I was set. Highly recommend them.

[@kingbonezai4925]

It was always this way for Middle Earth

[@nehrigen]

Nothing says Rohan like all the warriors being on foot... It probably makes sense as they are supposed tp fight at Helms Deep, but it doesn't feel right.

[@star_wars_miniatures]

It is a real surprise that riders of Rohan haven’t been shown yet 😅

[@benjones9565]

It Does seem quite daft that the box focusing on the MESBG cavalry faction has no cavalry in it...

[@romandacil3984]

Not big on the movie but the set looks good. Wish they would venture more into the 3 Kingdoms period of Arthedain, Cardolan & Rhudaur.

[@Bocco83]

Can't wait to get mine

[@UnkaStunka]

Thanks for the video this looks like a christmas gift for sure. One thing as a 40k player as well as a mesgb player terrain yea its even more important in 40k yup yes it is no question.

[@ConquestCreations]

Thanks for the comment, I definitely misspoke a bit here. What I should have said is that in 40k the terrain interactions happen on a much larger scale and are a lot more abstract. I have not played the current edition of 40k but in previous editions I know it was possible to simply move through the walls of ruins, whereas with Middle Earth the interactions are a lot more exact when it comes to terrain and moving around it.

[@redouroboros8923]

Cool I do like the figs but not really beginners for $220 US but I guess it’s not supposed to be a starter set like the others; no quick start; no scenarios unless I missed it, push fit for beginners were better ; this is really an army box

[@GamemastersHobby]

Thanks for the video! Great work! Question: The miniatures are still the same size? Bulkier? Bigger?

[@ConquestCreations]

The miniatures are exactly in scale with the existing line. I'll have a short coming soon comparing the old warriors of Rohan to the new ones

[@ccrooper88]

At 8:42 is it just me who's tickled by the "Battle for Osgiliath" dice?

[@balrogmaster9343]

My friend is getting into the hobby, and this starter set is how he's doing it! I wonder which of the new heroes and elite units from the mo vie he can add to the starter armies...

[@Jewus19]

Probably a decent Box for beginners who like one or both of the included faction, with that ammount of free hobby funds available. For a seasoned player who can 3d print whatever miniatur he likes/ having all the armies already available, I personally would just like a single condensed pdf with all the rules and profiles. I totally get that a gaming company could never survive on players like myself so I just am not the target audience any longer and thats fine. Still like to play the game, just not in a phase of my life to drop that kind of money on toys, even if I have the money.

[@podrac8830]

Intresting Box Thanks for Vid....Ilike new models look...putinh them together will be chalenging but fun they are much smaller then other multiparts i worked with...(i mean AOS or WH40k ) but its part of fun.

[@Dram1984]

I really miss when models were molded by body part rather than just random bits. It made basic kit bashing and conversions so much easier.

[@matthewbro3]

How sturdy are these new multi-part miniatures? I had gotten into the game earlier this year (picked up the Battle of Osgiliath box and some Army of the Dead models), and so far I've been reasonably impressed with the durability of the plastics. My main concern is that GW may have made the spears and bows a bit more delicate on the new Warriors of Rohan, or put them in poses that makes them more likely to break. The multipart assembly also leaves me with concerns about parts getting knocked off if the bond isn't absolutely solid. So, what's the verdict?

[@ConquestCreations]

Great question, they are made out of the exact same type of plastic so the material it's self is the same durability. When compared to the old warriors of Rohan the diameter of the spear shaft is the same while the bows are slightly thinner but not problematically so. The key difference is that with the old miniatures the spear was attached to the miniature on the sprue whereas with these miniatures it is a separate component that you glue on. This results in the spear being slightly less bonded to the rest of the model. This may not be the worst thing in the world as if you drop it there is a chance that it pops off at the wrist rather than the spear shaft breaking which would make it easier to repair. I haven't dropped my minis yet and absolutely wont be doing it on purpose. Overall verdict, these miniatures are slightly less durable but not by a large margin and as long as you aren't dropping them from heights they will hold up to the rigors of wargaming

[@heyhoojoe]

I'm also mystified by the reason behind producing mono-pose models in multiple, arbitrary sections. Do they save plastic, that way?

[@ConquestCreations]

It's a great question. Monopose models allows for a greater amount of variation per model because they can be modeled each in a unique pose rather than needing to be generic enough to accept a variety of different parts. A great example is the difference in these models and other kits such as the Gripping beast Viking set. While the cutting may seem arbitrary it is very far from it, they would have engineers working on these for weeks at a time. These models are injection molded which means that two halves of a steel mold are pressed together. Because these are steel there is absolutely no space for there to be any overlapping sections in each part. Because of that to create dynamic models which more complex geometry they must be split into smaller pieces.

[@timothypollard6008]

If anything it's the other way around; the older kits are probably more efficient in their use of plastic. It's to allow for more detail and dynamic posing, and the prevent some of the issues with having include random ugly blobs of plastic between two parts that are in an awkward position for casting (such as the cape and arm on the Rohirrim archer I painted earlier in the week). Comparing the two Rohan kits would actually be a really good way to show the difference between the two casting/sculpting styles since the two kits are (presumably deliberately) so similar to each other. (hint, hint @ConquestCreations)

[@star_wars_miniatures]

Just ordered mine this morning….my finger slipped 😅😅…..

[@onemisterfranko]

I play 40k this is par for the course, you'll be just fine everyone no worries! I remember freaking out when there where no instruction manuals for LOTR at first. :)

[@LJamesWorkshop]

Looks cracking can’t wait for release day ! PMd you on Patreon

[@ConquestCreations]

Thanks mate! I'll get back to you first thing in the morning!

[@LJamesWorkshop]

@@ConquestCreations Look forward to it !

[@carysage]

Yeah thats pretty disappointing. I bought the Pellinor box 2 years ago, Osgiliath last year. Its crazy how much the price has gone up while the contents keep shrinking . I haven't seen anything that makes me want to buy into the new edition.

[@ConquestCreations]

The battle of Osgiliath box set contained: Faramir Damrod Madril 12 warriors of minas tirith 12 rangers of Gondor Gothmog foot and mounted 24 morranons orcs Troll 2 Osgiliath ruins Comparing that to this kit it is pretty much the same however this kit is entirely new miniatures rather than repackaged old ones with some new heroes so the contents haven't shrunk. It's went up by $20Aud which is lower than CPI in Australia.

[@carysage]

@ConquestCreations Close but not quite. There were 4 ruins not 2 and the troll adds a LOT to the value. To say the new box has the same value means that paper battle mat and hard plastic ruler are equal to 2 ruins and a troll? I should be excited about this as I've been looking to expand on my Rohan and start Isengard but I'm just not at all interested. Maybe it's burnout from me playing too many games and GW deciding to launch a new edition of every game they make in the last 18 months or so... But everything about this new edition feels like a last minute cash grab. They revised the rulebook just a year ago for Osgiliath. They released Angmar just a month ago. Now both are obsolete. I'm used to that stuff in 40k but have had everyone telling me "play Middle Earth, that doesn't happen here" for years. Then as soon as I buy in it starts happening here as well.... Very disappointed.

[@cf8476]

@@carysage I concur the Battle of Osgiliath is overall sexier as a box: that terrain and that variety. But this new Edoras box is still nothing short of nice - like a 7 or 8 out of 10. Nevertheless I still dont think the new models deserve all this hype: if you paint the old models with effort they still look really good - and they have the beauty of having been sculpted by hands.

[@fergie0044]

​@@carysage is a troll and 2 ruins equal to 3 mounted heroes? Because the new box has mounted options for ALL four of its heroes.

[@carysage]

@@fergie0044 Good call, I was overlooking the mounts. I think the troll and ruins are still worth more but that does bring it a bit closer.

[@JohnnyH5]

Quite amusing that all youtubers who do reviews always, without a doubt, highly recommend GW box sets. Just for shits and giggles I would like to see someone give a really good negative review.

[@lordmalal]

Well they typically are a good value. It's just all of their other products that are overpriced.

[@star_wars_miniatures]

Plus I’d think if you gave a very negative review they’re highly unlikely to send you anything again!

[@BB-pn2qv]

Super unhappy with the huge cuts to models and restrictive rules

[@zelot113]

Is it worth it? No because throwing weapons are now 1/3 an army

[@star_wars_miniatures]

Really? Is that a change they’ve made for the new edition?😢😢 that sucks! Used play whole armies of corsairs or whole armies of grim hammers mainly so all my models could throw in the move phase then charge! It was deadly!

[@henrythe9th377]

I hope that GW make Rohan Royal Guard in plastic….

[@Bigjdog0335]

Can you make a helms deep and Gondor build please

[@commandershadow5301]

I’m glad I preordered this this morning this is just what I needed to dive back into middle earth but I have to agree apart from the models the whole box seems kinda lackluster not like a ripoff just not up to par like mines of Moria or Osgiliath was still gonna be a lot of fun though

[@ConquestCreations]

I am so surprised to see people comparing it to the Battle of Osgiliath negatively. In both boxes you get 48 warriors and 4 heroes. In Osgiliath you got a troll whereas in this set you get 3 more mounted heroes. On top of that all of the miniatures in this set are new and are incredible whereas Osgiliath just had repackaged old miniatures with new heroes. Personally I think this set is a much better set for those reasons

[@commandershadow5301]

I do like the new sculpts especially for the mounted heroes it just seems like it’s missing some big focal point to really give it that wow factor maybe cause it feels a little samey until it’s all assembled then I’m sure I’ll appreciate the differences a bit more but it’s kinda hard to tell on just the sprues still glad I got a copy though no regrets for that

[@mennorach]

Good review. Please do not say that 40k does not need terrain like MESBG. That game is unplayable without so much BLOS terrain that both armies can be totally hidden from each other. Other than that, I like what I'm seeing. I'll likely get that box instead of just the books.

[@ConquestCreations]

Thanks for the comment, I think I miss spoke a bit here. Line of sight blocking terrain is super important in 40k. What I meant is that specific interactions with terrain in 40k are significantly simpler. In a previous edition of 40k models could move through the walls of ruins and cover saves only mattered if you were against high AP weaponry. Whereas in Middle Earth the terrain interactions are on a much smaller scale. The position of an exact window and door matters, a few crates and barrels in the corner makes a big difference ect. The systems have very different terrain rules.

[@mennorach]

@@ConquestCreations There you are correct. 40k has less granularity and it shows most clearly in the terrain rules. MESBG is a large scale skirmish game, so the specific location of everything is more important there. And I too prefer that :)

[@jaredellis2754]

That battlemap is a joke, didnt realise cardboard cost so much.

[@Zeromus5555]

It doesn't. GW just loves ripping us off.

[@jakerickard3073]

The box probably cost more than the plastic inside....

[@ianpage2509]

It’s just for the starting mission. It’s not permanent.

[@ConquestCreations]

If you aren't a fan of the battle mat I totally understand that. However the cost of the box set comes from the miniatures and the rulebook, rather than the battle mat

[@star_wars_miniatures]

Would have been better if it was on a mouse Matt kind of material in my opinion 😅

[@star_wars_miniatures]

I’ve never seen anyone use super glue on plastic models before🤔🤔 any particular reason why you don’t use plastic glue which is perfectly designed for these models?

[@ConquestCreations]

Great question, I have used super glue for several years now. I only started doing because I ran out of plastic glue so I did a few models with it then found that it worked perfectly so just kept going with it

[@star_wars_miniatures]

@ my only concern with that is joins on models using super glue is pretty easy to snap off, whereas plastic glue forms a phenomenal bond between two pieces of plastic that’s incredibly durable

[@mykealdridge186]

I use superglue all the time and have never had any issues at all, literally none

[@star_wars_miniatures]

@ I just find it unusual that’s all, when plastic glue is designed specifically for plastic miniatures

[@joshmortimer3433]

Plastic glue melts the plastic to create a bond, this is perfectly fine for building airplanes or tanks that have large flat surfaces but on a small miniature plastic glue will melt the miniature and distort it. Superglue is better if used with an Activator (like Bond It Super Glue Activator), it create an instant bond in 10-20 seconds allowing you to build miniatures quicker and not melt you miniature in the process.

[@Jux925]

Are they in bigger scale?

[@ConquestCreations]

No they are the exact same scale

[@alcovitch]

While you may have a lot of terrain personally, you were reviewing the contents of the starter box. You should have assembled the 2 buildings and discussed them as part of the kit.

[@Lerbrandt]

Dude the Rohan Houses are ancient, you can find a houndred unboxing and assembly videos and articles of those. Come on.

[@PatRick-ru7qe]

Did you just glue everything together with super glue? 😀

[@ConquestCreations]

I absolutely did, I have used nothing but super glue on my minis for several years and never had any issues

[@PatRick-ru7qe]

@ConquestCreations That sounds like absolut heresy. But since it's you, I'll allow it 😁

[@ConquestCreations]

@PatRick-ru7qe hahaha it might be, I ran out of plastic glue one day so just used some super glue instead and nothing bad happened so I just kept going hahahah

[@bling2332]

Its a cool assortment of mini's. But the price-point is horrific, really a turn off for most unfortunately. I feel an elite unit for both sides thrown in would of been a great sell point. Royal Guards or mounted hobo's for the evil side.

[@And-c7n]

Apparently reddit is sad about your favourite army. You have something to review therefore.

[@ConquestCreations]

I've got a video on the way about Army of Thror! Where there is death there maybe life but I'm a bit sad

[@And-c7n]

​@@ConquestCreationsMaybe they can jog faster?

[@gandalf4751]

LOTR 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@emberpowertcg7692]

I think I've gotten too used to seeing a monster model in these ....

[@Magicman1625]

I can't find any thing on the pre-orders for any of the new stuff is it not live yet?

[@MrGufalo]

Table size confirmed at 4x4 then? 😊😊😊

[@ConquestCreations]

100% confirmed

[@Lerbrandt]

@@ConquestCreations New Core Rulebook clearly has the same 4x6' table size.

[@Torginaut]

Ballert!

[@saltfreegamer]

How is the scale of these models compared to the older ones? Any scale creep? Thanks for the detailed review. You're spot on re: points missing from the box. GW takes a very cynical view towards customers, constantly trying to pressure you into more purchases. Hot take: people in this hobby love buying stuff, you don't have to hold back value to get them to buy more.

[@paulwalker5221]

Great minis, wish they were much more modular for greater variety in larger forces. Disappointing paper mat, plastic rulers, tiny dice, and no points for the new minis. GW greed to get you to spend more. As a starter set, i wonder if mini construction will be too hard for younger gamers? I note some reviewers have commented that constructing all the minis takes over 7 hours. I introduced my nephews to LOTR who were 10 to 13 and they easily made up the minis and had a game within a few hours. Why couldnt GW have included a few Rohan cavalry? The cost of this starter set of just 56 or so minis and 2 houses and a rule book is steep at $370 Aus when compared to the other older starter sets. In Australia this is alot of money for a starter set that doesnt include everything you need to play with the minis. How long will serious gamers wait for new Rohan cavalry when there are several good 3d print options out there?

[@ConquestCreations]

Thanks for the comment. I would have spent easily over 7 hours on assembly which I do agree could be a huge barrier to entry. I have heard the argument that this contains less than previous starter kits which isn't actually correct. Compared to the Battle of Osgiliath the difference is that in this kit you get 3 more heroes on horse and the battle mat in exchange for the troll which to me is definitely worth while but that is up to preference. Having not seen the movie yet my guess on the reason for no cavalry being present is that in the Battle of Edoras the Rohirirm were defending their city which isn't conducive with cavalry, not the strongest argument given that the heroes are all on horses but its something.

[@stoatnam450]

What the Malifaux are those frames.

[@ConquestCreations]

Hahahaha dude I agree. I have the Wild ones (Lucas McCabe nightmare set) one model on a 50mm base was 40 pieces

[@grandpanurgle]

pestily reference!

[@heyhoojoe]

I don't know. I am really missing a center piece or two, in this starter set. I just bought the Battle of Osgiliath set, and it comes with a troll, at least. Personally, even knowing the individual prices of the box's contents, this feels a lot less generous on the part of GW.

[@ConquestCreations]

I was hoping for a centre piece as well but compared to the Battle of Osgiliath you are trading the troll for 3 more mounted characters which I think is worth it but that may be becuase I won 5 or 6 trolls already hahaha

[@kingbonezai4925]

Osgilliath was defo the strongest starter ever, followed by plellanor. Or even compared to the 40K starter in dollar discount. Too few value for dollar,

[@ConquestCreations]

Thanks for the comment, I keep seeing this comment about Osgiliath having more content which simply isn't correct. They both have 48 warriors, 4 heroes, and 2 sets of terrain. The battle of Osgiliath has a troll in it whereas the Battle of Edoras has 3 more mounted heroes and the battle mat. In Australia it was only $10 more and have 100% new models and a new edition rather than mostly repackaged old models.

[@SCMitchell]

Great review. Thanks.

[@DalleDC]

A paper mat that is to small, no points for the figures you bought... Only GW makes these greedy stupid mistakes.

[@caiusettebruntly497]

The Kill Team box comes with a similar mat (not even objective markers on one side), and it was incredibly disappointing. Honestly would rather not have it and pay the same, as it just comes off feeling cheap. Likewise the throw-away dice in here...at least color them to the armies or something. Overall I might still buy it. I guess I prefer they cut corners on that stuff than the models.

[@DalleDC]

@@caiusettebruntly497 as long as the mat is the right size, I dont mind it being paper. But if its not even the right side, its max one or two times use before you are going to play to correct size anyways, and then its just waste of money and paper. Nice dice are likewise not must have, but most games now just have nice dice because they are customer friendly.

[@juke9077]

Pretty neat review, although i have to disagree about terrain not mattering in 40k. Imo it is even more important in 40k then it is in MESBG

[@egongeldhof8404]

The houses look good, but there is this Australian guy making better terrain on YT. Conquest of Saxonia or something like that..

[@themarchinggoblin8294]

I'd love to get into lotr game but it's just painting so much green and brown which doesn't sound appealing

[@ConquestCreations]

Your colour scheme is totally up to you, and there are several factions without any green or brown in their colour schemes

[@ianshannon5789]

I am not happy about more complicated kits.

[@gobos1186]

I think it is generally better for most players. Gives you more variation and easier possibilities of conversion

[@NieregularnyKajmakposting]

​@@gobos1186 Tbh the thing that brought me to MESBG was in fact the simplicity of models. Being tired of complicated assembly for other games, I find one/two-part assembly just very neat. And if you want to kitbash and convert some of your models, you still use saws, knives, sanding sticks and stuff you use when converting older models - I'm not quite happy with that explanation. Converting is a hustle on its own whether you start with a monopose or a multipose :/

[@ianshannon5789]

@@gobos1186 Sure, but the ease of build was a big part of this game's appeal to me. I hate to be all doom and gloom, but I do not want super complicated builds.

[@wuothanar3544]

I sort of agree with you, but seeing as how the tradeoff is more detail on the mini’s, I’ll take it.

[@Elessar_King]

@@wuothanar3544more details and more gaps to fill with GS or other putty ;) and believe me, that is not an easy job to fill some gaps well

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

5 bucks says you painted elven buildings before shooting that video!

[@themidnightaristocrat]

The miniatures look way bigger in scale than traditional Middle Earth miniatures. That sucks

[@ConquestCreations]

I'll have a video comparing the old miniatures to the new ones coming out. They are perfectly in scale with the existing line

[@themidnightaristocrat]

@@ConquestCreations The guy in the horse at 13:58 I really can't see how that's in scale lol But I will await your video!

[@ConquestCreations]

@@themidnightaristocrat This is a great point! Wulf and Genereal Targ are both on massive horses that are larger than the horses of other miniatures such as Theoden or Eomer. However, they are not out of scale the reason is that they are riding Shire Horses, a breed of horse that is massive and was typically a beast of burden. In real life these horses are larger than regular horses. Having not seen the film yet I am guessing that this is what they ride in the movie.

[@lawrenceshaw7363]

Nice video, but not great value for money. Oh, and if you're new to the hobby, don't use super glue on your plastic minis.

[@ConquestCreations]

Thanks for the comment, I have assembled well over 1000 miniatures in my life and have used super glue on the vast majority and literally never had a problem with it. What is your logic behind not using it for plastic minis? I have used plastic glue extensively in the past assembling hundreds of miniatures with it but found that it had no benefit over super glue

[@phoenixhazard]

That “board” is incredibly tacky.

[@donluca4507]

The pile of shame will be larger because of this complicated kits

[@HogandDice]

I absolutely hate this kind of sprue, it makes the model almost entirely useless for kitbashing which is my favourite part of the hobby. I was waiting to see what the sprues would be like before deciding to buy this set, now I'm definitely not.

[@ConquestCreations]

I'll have a video coming out in the next few weeks showing the conversions Ive done on the warriors of Rohan and the Wildmen have plenty of different options

[@majkus]

It seems to me that there is a tension between "beginner-friendly" aspects like the battle mat, and 'value' features like multiple build options for the various figures, which are going to be challenging, at least, for a genuinely entry-level player and probably involve the discarding of the "plenty of bits left over". And someone who is truly new to the GW/WH line, the amount of assembly ("pretty tricky to get together") will be daunting to say the least! It's neither fish nor fowl-not enough real value (e.g., your criticism of the unit variety) for the existing hobbyist and yet not really suitable as an introduction to the hobby for beginning players. For a beginner, your option of buying armies+rulebook as a lower-budget alternative does not quite cover the need: the scenario books in the starter sets is an important component for a new player. Separately, the new rulebook is about fifty pages shorter than before, if I read things aright. What accounts for this?

[@ConquestCreations]

Thanks for the comment. The rule book being shorter has a few sources, there is a smaller gallery of painted miniatures in it which is a sad loss making it more concise just from the formatting, but a large amount of the rules have been streamlined requiring less words to communicate.

[@seileen1234]

Another box people will be buying without ever painting it

[@ConquestCreations]

In nearly done with the painting I'll have it in a battle report this week!

[@zelot113]

Okay maybe it's worth it but Im still salty