Battle Tanks - Tanks in the Age of Darkness - Horus Heresy 2.0 - Age Of Darkness

[@Zorro09-]

I have found a squadron of two predators with melta cannons are great for driving at the biggest target available turn one and blowing it up. They don't tend to last past turn two though....

[@BearfootMiniatures]

100% mate: that melta range is great on them, or just blasting off an infantry target but paper tigers

[@TheHAZMAT221]

Thank you for the content and Heresy love!

[@BearfootMiniatures]

thanks for watching mate! glad your enjoying it!

[@lonelysandbar]

I really enjoyed having my two Sicarans during the Adepticon Phyrix event. Most folks let them be, and they shot a bunch! :D

[@BearfootMiniatures]

too busy shooting at the Gal Vorbak (or did you run a maragal aswell in Phyrix for a bigger distraction Carnafex?)

[@lonelysandbar]

@@BearfootMiniatures Yeah for Phyrix I had both a Mhara Gal and Gal Vorbak. I was running a Zardu force with Zardu's command squad, the GV, and this big despoiler squad all got the Zardu buff. So all that running at the opposition plus the Mhara Gal mostly left the tanks to focus on the stuff running at them.

[@greyknight8192]

Predator neutron blaster is not ordnance and doesn't cause your sponson lascannons to snap fire. The neutron blaster and neutron beam laser have weirdly slightly different rules.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

oooh: I was reading it as the same one as off the Venator not the sabre! atleast the sicarans is much more distinct in function then!

[@UntiltedName]

Double scorpius keeps hss honest. And if your opponent has little mobility in their list, will be a big problem to handle.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Not a bad shout with how prolific HSS are now... hmm why have i not got scorpius for my next army

[@WindlordRyu]

IMO the defensive weapons and reactions rules for vehicles is something that should be applied gamewide to all unit types. Then having Decurions to unlock it on a per tank basis becomes great, it just shouldn't be available as default on anything (Dreadnoughs could get it as part of having Helical Targeting Array active etc.).

[@BearfootMiniatures]

I agree, just something different to what it currently is to make tanks and decurions more useful: I mean how long does it take for a tank turret to rotate vs someone to resight/reload a heavy weapon aswell

[@hvincent1106]

Hey may i know if the cerberus tank is reviewed in this channel ?

[@blewis9180]

I run my predators with the executioner plasma cannons (I like the big blast templet), volkite (anti infantry), and just in case I have the points I put flamers on mine for 1. Word bearers 2. Just cause they look cool.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

The biggest thing there is Flamers? as in combi flamers?! what new madness is this! your right though real cool look/fluff visualisation

[@warpaintjj]

Many thanks, I love tanks despite all the obvious flaws 😞

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Ive got the growing desire to run my tank company more after making this to be honest....

[@razalfraz6618]

I’ve played with most tanks it’s weird because of how bad they’re perceived to be people don’t tech into more anti tank then a lascannon here or there but in my experience the typhoon is amazing the arcus still has a place and I absolutely adore sabers predators are ok if they’re able to survive turn 1 and land raiders are land raiders position then well and you’ll be ok that being said iron warriors/hands shit on you good luck 😂

[@razalfraz6618]

Played with an Achilles one time and my opponent played custodes he was only able to use melta bombs it was the only time i ever felt like my tank had real staying power I was able to park it and blast melta shots the entire game it was a great feeling

[@BearfootMiniatures]

good to hear your having a good time with them mate: I do think theyre coming back around as theres less (and potentially people im playing just want to use some tanks more and more)... Ive just bought nearly 4k of tanks to do a new army so will deffo get some use out of them for the channel!

[@razalfraz6618]

@@BearfootMiniatures you must have a million upgrade sprue then all those mk2 heads 😂

[@lceidolon]

My only gripe on tanks in HH 2.0 is the pricing imbalance on main weapons for the Predator; it's all out of whack IMO. I would recommend giving the Arquitor Grav-variant another look for its utility. Remember that the Graviton Pulse rule means that you leave the template down (counting as both difficult and dangerous terrain)... and it's a Massive Blast - 7" marker.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

100% mate, they’re all over the place

[@cillocillo5287]

next review : militia tanks\transport! 🤩🤩

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Not a bad shout really though maybe a short one: everyone dies nobody quits!

[@cillocillo5287]

@@BearfootMiniatures haha shure, i have played 3 games recently with 2 gorgon full laser , are really not that bad for the points!

[@BearfootMiniatures]

@@cillocillo5287 oh no I’ve literally just recorded a cast saying they’re too expensive cos what they carry isn’t valuable enough to be worth it and they don’t have ass transport for ogryns! Call me out on it tomorrow!

[@cillocillo5287]

@@BearfootMiniatures sure tomorrow i call you out XD. In my list i have used it for basically a mobile bunker for my granadiers with needle weapons + 20 conscript to shield wen they disembark for isurance if i have no possibility to come back in the transport in time XD(i also play a lot of leman vanquisher)

[@brianabela4533]

The tanks in the game should have an infinite range at the scale represented. I measured a Sicaran track length, about 6 inches. A modern main battle tank is about 11 meters. If we equate 6 inches to 11 meters, a 24" range for a gun means about a 44 m range when upscaled to its real-world counterpart. It's almost as if the shells are falling out of the barrels and hitting the ground the way they scale the system. This is in addition to the extremely frustrating one-shot potential, or loss of major weapon systems and lack of some weapon reaction fire no other unit type has in the game. If you take anything other than AF 14 with flare shield you are asking for trouble.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

your making too much sense here: maybe even with a short range sort of thing giving a bonus to hit. I like the vehicle damage table honestly, I think it adds character to vehicles imo they just need lascannons and other AT weapons to be made more expensive/lascannons need to lose their sunder aswell..... I mean 10lascannons for the cost of 2 predators... wat! In terms of comparisons to other units: I actually think dreads worked better with an AV.... just needed toughening up a bit

[@paulshaw3907]

Warhammer is a 1:32 'heroic' scale. That means a 24' boltgun has an irl range of 1.1km.

[@DoddyIshamel]

I mean if you are taking the game that literally pretty much no artillery weapon should even be able to fire. Artillery should be called in from off board, but then they couldn't sell models. Same with flyers, like an aircraft getting within 500m of its target wtf. I do kind of wish they would put those genies back into the bottle.

[@paulshaw3907]

@@DoddyIshamel They used to do that. Deathstrike firing and calling a random Warhammer store for it to land on someones game. Also Apocalypse games of 5-10,000point each used to be a lot more common. And the board size has gotten smaller since 8th

[@knoxminis1211]

It's ironic that GW rammed tanks down everyone's throats, followed by a plastic Lancer, and tanks and Knights are just awful on the table. Even Panoptica needs to seriously address them. I don't trust GW to update the rules enough to properly address the issues. EDIT: I'll also add that new-model syndrom is brutal with vehicles. I'm new to Heresy as of 2.0. I have a Kratos and a Xiphon that are two of my best painted models. I have fielded each twice and have gone second each time I've tried. The Kratos has never been fired on the table, and the Xiphon just gets intercepted and dies. I want to like Heresy, but the vehicle survivability (again, including Knights) is extremely disappointing and makes playing the game un-fun.

[@paulyg405]

I think some of this is a casualty of wanting to leave tanks with the old school vehicle damage system, while turning all the other vehicles into monsters/infantry. Tanks are the paper plates they used to be in Oldhammer days whereas the Contemptors are now like the toughest a Carnifex ever was, except with much better weapon loadouts. I would suggest a couple of different changes - either, bring back vehicle cards/vehicle upgrades - like ablative armour, reinforced armour, camo netting, anti-infantry electrified hulls etc that you could add as upgrades to make them more durable. Or, I would get rid of the +1/+2 for high AP weapons on the damage table, which feels completely excessive when combined with Ordnance/Armourbane/Melta/Rending. 3rdly I guess you could just give everything an extra 1 or 2 HP. I've used Xiphon a couple times and it has been pretty well useless, agree there. Predators as well. Even Spartans, you're always left with feeling 'I should've just run another dread'

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Agree with everything both of you have said here really: vehicles are in the "use for a bit of fun" category on the most part which is a real shame

[@BearfootMiniatures]

oooh harsh new model syndrome there mate Your right on the disconnect of sales vs rules though, I mean where is all the plastic infantry (even generic stuff)!

[@paulyg405]

@@BearfootMiniatures it's hard, because they genuinely are some of the best models GW has made in years, so of course we all want them!

[@paulyg405]

@@BearfootMiniatures I think they know that deep down we'll wait :P we might throw a bit of salt around but even half the people who've left the game because of this stuff won't be able to resist new shiny plastic when they eventually do get around to it