Legion Consul Choices - Horus Heresy 2.0 - Age of Darkness

[@cntssv]

Honorable mention to the Tsons moritat with 2 str 8 plasma pistols with no get hot and rending 6 with the ability to also be a psyker

[@DrippyWaffler]

Damn

[@lonelysandbar]

I don't think I've run my Word Bearers without a Chaplain. Just wouldn't be right!

[@davethe13th]

Great vid Max and Conor, was cool, still new to heresy to always nice to hear opinions of vets

[@Subodenkhan]

Good Vid Lads!! I feel like if I run my Golden Keshig I should always run a Stormseer with telepathy so that they can prevent their opponents from making the golden keshig take a disordered charge, negating the ability to use their power lances 16:49

[@DirtyMardi]

Same for Sons of Horus, except it’s the legion trait and regular telepathy libby

[@jamesespinosa690]

Very wise advice!!

[@pentacosttb2565]

Seige Breaker on a Jetbike with a Skyhunter Squad is hilarious. Sundering Multimeltas and getting close enough to the enemy to make lobbing a phosphex bomb worthwhile, is way just great fun.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

With jetbikes you say: hmmm i do have 6 sat in my draw

[@gamestheory3244]

MWG studios did a batrep thousand sons vs space wolves… took nothing but pyromancy. All but stopped them with walls of fire

[@GypsyDaenger]

When did they do that bat rep? can't find it

[@thomasmulhall9317]

Really great video guys, thanks for the content. Sorry to be the bearer of bad biomancy news, but the wording on the power is more restricted than you have been playing - the increase only lasts for the "current player turn", which means the max you can get is s&t 6 from a single psyker on basic marines (from return fire and overwatch reactions).

[@jajo1698]

In my Dark Angels Drop Pod list, I've used a Deathwing Armistos attached to a unit of Ironwing veterans with combi meltas. It allows me to benefit from the cognis signum on the turn they drop in and then for subsequent turns lets me switch to the Deathwing subtype for melee. But a very niche character.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

will have to give it a look in for when I do a pod list, though is definitely a good shout stacking as you say with the DA changeable rules!

[@rowarth12]

Fantastic episode

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Cheers mate glad you enjoyed it!

[@heresynutter3407]

This is such a great video! A couple of thoughts: 1. Vigilator: You can use another unit to gain night vision, you can also use him to trigger the UM Legion rule for another unit with amazing upside! 2. Forge Lord: Getting access to Thalax is an amazing way for many legions to get a lot of relatively cheap, fast scoring units. And if there are no objectives, they can wreak havok in the back lines. 3. Forge Lord + Praevian: A superb way to start a Mech army. 4. Siege Breaker: I play DeathGuard, so I had to take him a lot. And it is difficult to use him well, since the phosphex is not great and the Tankhunter he confers offers little benefit (in my meta) Next plan with him: On a jetbike with 5 Multi Melta Skyhunters. 5. Moritat: I do not like Desintegrators, because the gets hot has AP2 and instant death. but taking him with plasma or volkite and letting him zip around with destroyers (all with jumppacks) can cause real problems for the opponents backline. Why? - Because they easily kill anything in power armour, thats not made for melee.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Couldnt agree more on these points! Good shout on the seige breaker in a jetbike squad, i may have to try it cos he can even hop around to who needs it then if the squad dies I actually really like the moritat in destroyers in a rhino aswell for shinanegans on hoping out, startin blastin' then hopping back in on the react The Desintigrators only cause a wound with the AP i believe and dont gain the ID (I was playing it my castellax blinding themselves due to this and it was pointed out they dont)

[@DoddyIshamel]

Disintegrator doesn't instant death with gets hot, nothing but the AP is used.

[@marcarthur100]

ty so much for doing this it wus a amzing 2 thing

[@Subodenkhan]

I really think the Armistos needs 2 things, Firstly it needs firing protocols (2) so that it can use the cognis signum and it's weapon and Secondly it's should confer suspensor webs to himself and the unit he joins maybe with a slight points increase of 10 or 20 points 1:24:58

[@r.j.macready]

Suspensor webs to the whole unit!? Himself sure but the rest of the unit should pay permodel for that privilege. Maybe 3 pts?

[@peterdavies6660]

I really like the Armistos in my Reaping list. Moving a bs5 mmelta squad up the field, with a centurion in it, is a scary ball of death for your opponent to deal with.

[@lonelysandbar]

@56:31 The Mhara Gal also has pathfinder! :D

[@Hoptroffshobbies]

Late to the party I know but Night Lords Vigilator is one of my favourite in my list with Kurze

[@IVIaskerade]

I think there's two good uses for an Armistos. The first is that it's harder to snipe out than a techmarine, and more flexible since you can change squads if another one needs the BS buff more. The second, and perhaps more useful, is that it can add a lascannon to an anti-infantry squad and make vehicles think twice about shooting since the armistos can return fire.

[@sonicwingnut]

Being new to Heresy I'm still wrapping my head round a lot of this, but it's funny how some of the fluffier choices for my chosen legion of Blood Angels - Librarian, Chaplain, Moritat - are all actually decent choices for them too. Just got a Moritat model and looking forward to putting dual inferno pistols on him. When I heard you could do that I was like I don't even care if it's good or not, that's ridiculous and I'm doing it.

[@TheFiremind]

I have a friend using his 40k death company as destroyers, they go well with a moritat.

[@thedarkapostle6025]

Can't wait to give it a watch ... MoS & Armistos, are staples in my IW since 2.0, dropped

[@tomrulz11]

Very helpful !!

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it!

[@Quandoquesto]

Wht abiut taking an armistos without the optional master-crafted heavy weapon and just usting the cognis signum and augury scanner with another unit

[@BearfootMiniatures]

It depends how your elite slots are looking I think, if theyre full (so no techmarines) its an alt that makes your HS squads keep heavy!

[@francoismarion-eu3jq]

Randomized psychic powers?! Fuck that!no one will ever pay points for random abilities, especially in a limited hq slot.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

As of the new FAQ I dont think its needed but biomancy libbies pre December were completely crazy: I dont think random was good as choosing what power in a game and even story sense is much better but Biomancy or hallucination libbys were so crazy it needed something doing (and other disciplines need a look in)

[@thedarkapostle6025]

Warmongers are really good. Yes, your opponent can intercept, but that's only if you don't pin their units. You can force the pinning check on a surprising number of units if you daisy-chain the DS squad and those pinning tests happen before Interceptor reactions. If you have any fear or ld- you can give the enemy you'll pin a large# of the units wanting to react & then charge out if DS ... so good. Also the Armistos gets a bad wrap...90 points you get a BS5 relentless 2W character with a 2+/5++ that's heavy (so you don't lose bonus to rerolling saves v blasts) that gets a MC Lascannon they can react with since Cognis-Signum it only works in your shooting phase. This dude makes Iron Havoc's insane if he's your Warlord and he's a Tyrant of the Lyssatra...20 Lascannons hitting on 2's rerolling 1's thanks to BS bonus from Cognis-Signum let's you avoid most of the gets hot rolls... he won't make you any friends.

[@Quandoquesto]

Can you take a raven guard vigilator, give it scout, and it will automatically have infiltrate from the raven guard legion special rule?

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Ye man, so long as they dont have something thatd make them fall under the Falcons catagory!

[@regoso8580]

can a siege breaker give a fellblade guns sunder and is that a maybe ok use?

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Ye potentially: maximising the amount of firepower for the ability to trigger on! Definately worth a try (and I have wanted a fell blade)

[@LordGrantius]

I would not like a return to rolling for psychic powers. It may be a way to balance librarians but it feels bad to create a narrative list, every unit named with back story, and the librarian... randomly pursues their interests? I don't mind Telepathy as much as I mind the other disciplines sucking

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Agreed on the others sucking 100% ( Can’t remember my comment but I’m in favour of buying powers for a pts cost for the exact reason you’ve said, why do they forget and learn new powers each engagement!

[@KapitanPoop]

I am taking a Librarian in my Alpha Legion army, because I want to make it rain f@cking SNAKES…

[@BearfootMiniatures]

haha is that an offensive poison spell or is it terrifying!

[@jajo1698]

Also with the Bitter Duty does the wording prevent characters from joining Destroyer units but allow Moritats to join any units? "may not be joined by" Quite possibly RAW rather than RAI.

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Look like it to me: excellent spot mate! I mustve just assumed and carried on with the assumption

[@FelixTheory]

I’m doing World Eaters, what should I get? (Just started watching the video)

[@BearfootMiniatures]

Hey hey! World eaters definitely a chaplain IMO, gotta get those hits in!

[@lonelysandbar]

3rd commentas I'm finally listening to the rest of it. Why no mention of the Warp Moritat? Warpfire pistols for a bunch of breaching, pinning shots?

[@BearfootMiniatures]

ooh mate a good shout Its just our knowledge base stopping that one being pointed out really

[@chalman94]

I take a moritat with volkite. Kicks out 24 shots hitting on 2s

[@BearfootMiniatures]

true: suppose it just comes down to the role you want them to play though just seen @jajo 's comment on moritats being able to join any unit as it only limits what characters can join a unit with Bitter duty not limiting a character with bitter duty

[@DoddyIshamel]

You guys are sleeping on the Armistos tbh. If you have a spare HQ slot its kind of a no brainer. He is 75 pts, a techmarine with cognis signum is 70 and an augury scanner for the unit is 10. So he is 5pts cheaper and brings a 5+ invul and an extra wound to keep your cognis signum and scanner working plus better leadership for the unit. If you give him a heavy weapon he can use it if the squad takes enough casualties to make the cognis signum inefficient (think its at 3 guys left) or if the unit has to move (as CS doesn't help snapshots but he is relentless). He will defend the HSS from assault better than the techmarine would too. You say you could get another lascannon for the cost but thats not true. The Armistos is 5pts cheaper, his lascannon is 15 so you are paying 10pts. A lascannon armed HSS marine is 25pts. The problem for the Armistos is not that the techmarine can do the job better or cheaper, its that you can get a techmarine for 1/8th of an elite slot whilst the Armistos uses a HQ slot. The master of signal does much of it with additional effects albeit he will break heavy for your HSS and is more limited in combat upgrades. He is also a nice addition to breachers, again in the same role as a techmarine but with more options.

[@IVIaskerade]

I really don't like that psychic powers can be used in reactions, it feels wrong.