Battlestar Galactica | Is Starbuck a Cylon?

After Starbuck's miraculous return from the dead, Roslin feels uneasy and suspects Starbuck may be a Cylon.
Season 4, Episode 1 "He That Believeth in Me" - Starbuck's mysterious return; Anders has a surprising standoff with a Cylon raider.
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[@TBird4490]

Admiral Adama: "We're back where we started then. There could be cylons right here and we wouldn't know it until they put a bullet in our heads: The 3 cylons standing right there: 👀👀👀

[@alibryant749]

LOL

[@alibryant749]

*Awkward Muppet Meme*

[@devilpistons1269]

more like 👀👀 x👁

[@TBird4490]

@@devilpistons1269 True and real. So say we all.

[@ered203]

@@devilpistons1269 Bwahahahaha!

[@asbrozek64]

Roslin is pretty skeptical for someone who has religious premonitions about earth.

[@timmorris2048]

I find that the best people in any faith community are the ones that maintain a healthy dose of skepticism about the whole thing.

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

​@@timmorris2048 Faith is the literal antithesis of scepticism. They are diametrically opposite. Having faith and being sceptical about it is impossible.

[@jacobnunya]

@@HALLish-jl5moi would argue that unless you can see the things that are not adding up , it is blind faith . someone who sees those and still believes or wants to beleive are the ones who have true faith . beleif in the face of odds or despite odds. faith that overcomes is stronger than faith that is ignorant . you truly understand why you believe

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

@@jacobnunya While you are correct in that faith in absence of evidence is different from faith in direct contradiction of evidence, neither is sceptical. To take a simple example, there is a box. It is closed, and opaque. A sceptical person says we don't know what, if anything, is inside. A person with faith might insist there is a carrot inside. This is what you termed blind faith. If we open the box, look inside, find no carrot, and someone still believes there's a carrot in there, that is what you term true faith. (If the box was opened and a carrot was discovered, faith is obviously no longer required to believe in the carrot, but true faith would in fact be required to disbelieve in the carrot). Of course, all forms of faith are only held by the stupid. Even if they happen by complete coincidence to be correct, believing that a box contains a carrot for literally no reason is still stupid. Objectively you have no idea what's inside, you just got absurdly lucky.

[@GimmieUtoob]

We all make our choices about when we want to scrutinize and when we want to give something a free pass.

[@khlfful]

Its funny that Baltar's test machine or whatever wasn't a failure. It worked and detect Boomer but Baltar didn't report it.

[@KawaiiSoulB42]

like the original Balter of the OG Battlestar a traitor to his people. Yes Im that old

[@samuelweir5985]

"Even if her DNA is the same, she could still be a Cylon" said the Cylon. 😄

[@lordbyron3603]

I never knew what a masterpiece BSG was until I started watching it two days ago from season 4 episode 12. I binged 20 hours nonstop!

[@magnubeido8832]

Holy frak friend 😂 I don't blame you though. Once I start watching it's hard for me to stop too

[@falcore91]

NEXT ONE NEXT ONE NEXT ONE!

[@SuperWhofan1]

Look at the tail number. It changes from 8757 to 4267 in this same scene. A tip to the audience that this viper isn’t real

[@SEQ1962]

It was a post-production error. The number is just a graphic, and they got it wrong here and in the scene when Starbuck exits the new Viper. Epic space battles they could do, but showing a consistent ship number somehow escaped the effects crew.

[@paulcoy9060]

I will believe that the producers did it on purpose, as a hidden gem for those who rewatched it.

[@Mobius_118]

I always figured that it was a post production error since the number doesn't subtly change when an object passes in front of it to block it or something along those lines, it just very obviously changes. That and there's a potential that the story of the Viper not existing is made up since the one reporting it is a Cylon along with two others in that scene.

[@ladymercy5275]

It's only 8757 when Tyrol and other Cylons are telling their lie, in a deliberate attempt to confuse Adama and Roslin. When the camera changes view, we're shown the truth; that it's a Viper that was practically new when it was eliminated early on in the conflict. Flown by "Chuckles," it was downed via only superficial damage when a stray bullet unluckily hit the pilot directly in the head killing them instantly. Viper 4267 then drifted undamaged off screen, so it's entirely feasible that the Cylons recovered it, and much later put Kara Thrace in there for... whatever reason Cylons like Leoben do their twisted mind-games. (Remember when he told her they had a child together?) It shows Starbuck's tail number when Chief Tyrol is lying about it, but as soon as his story is over, it goes back to what it actually is, so it's like a visual queue to the audience that his story doesn't match up. But nobody notices, since it's just a number. To them, not working on the deck, it could be 4267 or 8757 and it wouldn't make a difference. The only audience only get this clue, because we see it change, something that wouldn't actually happen in-univese, but would effectively as if the numbers were changing given what they mean. It's as if he's effectively changing the tail numbers just by lying about whose is whom's, and the show chooses to represent this by flipping them when nobody is looking.

[@beyerch]

@@ladymercy5275 That's some deep thought stuff; however, they only showed the tail # twice in the scene so it is hard to know if it was a simple mistake or intentional. If there would have been at least another shot of it, that might help to confirm this thought. Strangest detail is Kara just disappearing at the end of the series. If she's a Cylon, I don't think they have an "evaporate" mode.... Definitely a mystery here.

[@devastater97]

It's funny cuz 3 out of the 6 people standing next to that Viper are Cylons.

[@zombieking7456]

As soon as they say any of us could be Cylons, the show exactly the three that are.

[@ilovenature222]

they are not Cylons the show messed up, they are survivors of the 13th tribe of man.

[@devastater97]

@@ilovenature222 Nah, 13th Tribe were Human-Cylons from Kobol. Kobol Cylons made the 13th Tribe before nuking the planet for whatever reason.

[@ilovenature222]

@@devastater97 I get that the 13th tribe were made out of skin jobs, but to my understanding the 12 colonies created the Cylons, the 13th tribe was part of the "All this has happened before and will happen again". Also it was the 5 survivors of Earth that taught the Cylons, how to make skin jobs and resurrection technology.

[@devastater97]

@@ilovenature222 the survivors of the 12 tribes fled to the 12 Colonies. The 13th Tribe fled to Earth with resurrection technology but quickly evolved to reproduce naturally and they lost the technology to time. The eventually forgot their Human-Cylon origins and built the 1st Earth Cylons which eventually wiped out all life on Earth in a MAD scenario. However Messengers warned the Final Five of the coming disaster and together they relearned resurrection technology and waited to die and then be reborn on a ship in orbit. This ship lacked ftl so it just sublighted to the 12 Colonies to stop them from making their own Cylons, they were too late and the Colonials had been at war with their Cylons for over 12 years. The Final Five contacted the Cylons and negotiated for a ceasefire with the Colonials in exchange for Human bodies and resurrection technology.

[@TheCaptainCrack]

Lets go full Vulcan on that: Logic dictates that we see the oldest Cylon trick in the book. Someone dies and suddenly reappears under mysterious circumstances. Yeah sure Kara, aka No.10. If I was Adama shed go into the brigg and stay there forever. And we would never find earth xD

[@TrackerNeil]

So the gods (or whoever) returned Cara to life, and sent her back to the fleet with information about Earth...except of course, for the fact that Earth was a radioactive wasteland. You'd think the gods would have a better track record than that. By the point, BSG hadn't jumped the shark; it had jumped right into that beast's mouth.

[@astronomybrainiac]

Why did no one point out the blindingly obvious: Vipers do not have FTL systems and yet we have Kara re-appearing dozens of light-years away, and having purported to have been to at least two other star systems during her time away (Earth and the triple star system). Personally, I always thought that the Mandala on the planet where she vanished was the anchor point for a wormhole. As she went in, the tidal forces began ripping her ship apart, resulting in the explosion and debris Lee witnessed (probably ordinance cooking off). The wormhole Spat her out above Earth, where she managed to pilot her disintegrating ship to a crash-landing and died on impact. However, as was coming in, an automated system scanned her ship, and a long-dormant AI on the planet, itself having grown mournful of the long cycle of death and destruction, used the data to manufacture a replacement Viper exactly the same as her original one, using subterranean factories. Additionally, since I buy into the theory that Kara's dad was a number 7, she had just enough Cylon DNA to register to the Resurrection system (remember, the final five downloaded to a ship in orbit, they never said that that was the only resurrection site they created. In fact, that would be rather idiotic to live and work on the ground on for the sole system to be in space.) The AI flash-cloned a replacement body for her, and when she was ready, it loaded her into the Viper, and sent her back via FTL system. It knew approximately where the fleet was based on both the archaic texts they were following, as well as some ancient yet still functional thirteenth tribe observation satellites scattered throughout this part of the galaxy. It used the FTL system to send her back to the fleet (remember, Anders said that the ship they downloaded to didn't have FTL, not that the 13th didn't have FTL period. They had to have had FTL to travel to earth from Kobol, otherwise the timeline gets screwy.) Possibly the AI also implants her with the vision of where the Rebel Cylon Basestar is, so she knows to find them and broker peace between the two. It would actually fit with a lot of her subliminal impulses and other behavior post-return. So Starbuck returns and eventually guides them to earth. Not to live there, not so the AI could kill them, but to show them a tomb. To show Humanity and its Children a graveyard of Cylon and human-Cylon alike, along with the graveyard of the Cyrannus system that they had fled. Show them "This is what your petty squabbles always lead to. It happened before, it will happen again, unless you find a way to come to peace with one another." The AI didn't speak or reach out to them, likely because the humans would not trust them, and that this was a lesson better learned by a mute, dead planet. Finally, when they reach Our Earth, the AI (somehow) either recalls Kara, or grants her the death she'd been seeking since she first entered the wormhole. Her job was done, she could rest.

[@asvarien]

Makes more sense that she's a Cylon and a baseship dropped her off there to wait for the fleet to arrive.

[@ered203]

I'm OK with this theory. Alright then.

[@Cenot4ph]

Pretty solid, unfortunately this was one glaring hole that did needed some more context. The ending that she disappeared is really too open to interpretation and doesn't fully make sense. The messengers that we see cannot really interact and are not visible, she can't be one of those either.

[@user-yq3fz9ch5q]

You, of deliverance, make a compelling argument that makes sense. Inform my armory to make ready for me. The Ravenguard must investigate this.

[@stephenbeagle2239]

@@Cenot4ph: in the Mormon faith(at least according to google...since i'm not Mormon :) ) there are two types of Mormon angels, ones that exist in Spirit, and solid ones that are resurrected dead. The Messengers fit the former and Starbuck fits the latter. I always took the religious bits to be a tip of the hat to the original creator of Battlestar Galactica, who was a Mormon and had used a lot of Mormon imagery in his show.

[@cmj0929]

The president was just pissed that she wasn’t the one to deliver the news about earth

[@joshreyes3624]

FACTS, no one else seems to acknowledge her narcissism.

[@shahidulkhan9566]

@@joshreyes3624 just like her predecessor adar she was just a mouthpiece. Even baltar did significant work to help the remaining human race to progress. A lot of roslin actions lead to the human race to digress. She wanted admiral cain dead because she knew cain would kill her on the spot if she put the fleet in danger. She saw that adama was lonely and she could take advantage. If they continued to follow roslin they would have died.

[@aztekenen1]

@@shahidulkhan9566 what? roslin made alot of good humanitarian decisions. not that she's perfect, but this description of her reminds me more of cain.

[@vodkatonyq]

@@shahidulkhan9566 Bollocks. Roslin was a great leader. Flawed, but still politically cunning.

[@QuicksilverSG]

The Resurrection of Kara Thrace In Battlestar Galactica Season 3 episode "Maelstrom", Kara Thrace vanishes mysteriously along with her Viper within a violent maelstrom around a gas giant planet. In the final scene before Kara disappears into the maelstrom, it's clear that even if she were to somehow survive, her Viper is starting to break up and will not make it back to Galactica intact. When Kara miraculously returns to Galactica several months later, she is piloting an undamaged Viper and claims she has been to Earth, but has no recollection of the months during which she had been missing. In the cockpit of her Viper a homing beacon flashes, presumably indicating the location of Earth. Galactica tracks the signal to a dead planet that had been nuked 2000 years earlier, where Kara finds a wrecked Viper containing her own corpse. Galactica subsequently discovers a verdant planet identified as a prehistoric version of our own Earth, where Kara once again vanishes without a trace. Whether Kara was a human, a Cylon, a ghost, or an angel is one of numerous puzzles left unexplained in the series finale. Here is a theory that explains Kara Thrace's resurrection without resorting to supernatural intervention. It relies on relativistic time travel via wormhole, a not unreasonable conjecture in a universe where instantaneous Faster Than Light physics are employed for routine space travel. 1. After Kara vanishes into the maelstrom, she encounters a spacetime wormhole and blacks out as it transports her to a decaying orbit around nuked Earth. After recovering conciousness, she visually identifies the planet while her ship records its coordinates, activating its homing beacon. She then flies back through the wormhole, not realizing that months of time have relativistically elapsed during her return flight. 2. Galactica tracks down the nuked planet via the homing beacon, and there Kara discovers a wrecked Viper. In the Viper's cockpit she discovers a corpse and removes a charred copy of her own dogtags from around its neck. This is the corpse of her future self, who is destined to fly once more into the maelstrom. The wormhole will then hurl her back in time to crash on the nuked planet, a few months before it is tracked down by Galactica. 3. Kara gives her corpse's charred dogtags to Baltar on Galactica. Months later, Galactica discovers verdant Earth, and the colonists set about decomissioning their spacecraft. Kara realises that it is time for her to return to the maelstrom in her Viper and fulfill her destiny. 4. Kara uses the wormhole to travel back in time to rendevous with her past self in a decaying orbit around nuked Earth. At that point in time, her past self has blacked out, her Viper has suffered irreparable damage, and it is doomed to eventually crash into the planet. To prevent that fate from happening to past-Kara, future-Kara docks with the disabled Viper, drags unconscious past-Kara out of that ship and exchanges Vipers with her, leaving past-Kara to regain consciousness later in the undamaged Viper and discover nuked Earth. After past-Kara returns to Galactica through the wormhole, future-Kara rides the disabled Viper down to crash into the planet. It is only later that past-Kara will reconstruct what happened and recognize that she is destined to become her own guardian angel.

[@unematrix]

adding time travel to the story would just make the whole plot worse. The religious aspects were already way overdone. Adding even more concepts like time travel would make the story even worse.

[@QuicksilverSG]

@@unematrix - The point of this exercise in retconning is to debunk the spurious religious cop-outs. It makes Baltar's psychosis far more compelling when you realize Six lives entirely in his head.

[@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis]

Next episode Roslin suspects Roslin.

[@Tap-a-roo]

This whole mystery with Kara made zero sense.

[@MrAlkylation]

No, she is same entity that the baltar 2 in the head of baltar 1

[@antred11]

Yeah, I mean I love the show, but I'm not a fan of this whole God-did-it cop-out they were ramping up to toward the end.

[@Cenot4ph]

​@@MrAlkylation they're not visible at all, so this breaks established show rules. This is definitely a plot hole

[@MrAlkylation]

@@Cenot4ph they are an alien race. They are in the original battle star also. They « bring back kara from the death » then they took her back when she finished her mission. Actually after her death she is an alien with the soul or memory or Kara. It’s her and not her same time. The Aliens are called the messengers. They live in a superior state of evolution (like the the ascension in stargate) so they appear like angels or god for humans. They chose to help and guide humans and cylons to become a better race, this is why they always repeat the same loop story as it’s explains in the show (it happens and will happens again). Each time it’s a kind of experiment to try to get better human race but they always failed until now but the end of the show they try a new way with the breeding of humans and cylons. Not plot hole actually, just in the show they decided to show that like a religious thing. You can go check the official story, i say the truth, not my thinking.

[@Cenot4ph]

@MrAlkylation I see, it isn't well explained in the new bsg so it feels like a plot hole

[@bloodCount8895]

I don't like plot-holes or unexplained things. You can't have a main character be called the Harbinger of Death from two different Hybrids and have a mysterious dad, and mention that the Number 7 line was murdered (an artist and sensitive to the world) without closure. Remember her dad chose his art over his family. Kara just disappears at the end on Earth II. Her mother always said she had a destiny and was special. Would have been a great story for her mother to married and loved a Num 7, which is why Kara was born. The key ingredient to a hybrid child was actual love between the two species. Thus making her the first hybrid child which grants her a special destiny for the rest. Instead it was she got to revisit her mother on her deathbed before dying herself, dies in the storm, comes back in a pristine Viper, finds her dead body on Cylon Earth then discovers that the notes of her father's piano song equals the jump coordinates to Earth II (humanity's end). Then suddenly disappears when Lee turns his back to view Earth II landscape. You can't have a story where she becomes some Seraph of the End and not have some connection to the overall story devices of her mother and father, Cylons, 13th Tribe, magic music notes, and being reborn out of nowhere.

[@Arkalius80]

If you want closure, then know that number 7 has no role in any of this other than to explain why there are only 7 cylons in the cylon fleet, but one model is #8. This is confirmed by the creator. This starbuck is one of the messengers, aka angels, like head six and head baltar, except she isn't aware of her nature and is visible to everyone. She's imbued with the personality and memories of the human starbuck, perhaps even a continuation of her in some sense. Her father isn't particularly special here. Her role was to help the colonials make it to "new Earth" to settle. She was the harbinger of death because she brought death to the cylons by being the lynchpin in the operation to destroy their resurrection hub.

[@bloodCount8895]

@@Arkalius80 she said her dad would play the Song of the Five. If her dad wasnt special then why the heck would have known the notes to play the Song? No one on the 12 worlds knew the Song. I get the writers confirm this and that. But you cant have a main character say things like my dad chose the piano over us and he played that song for me as a kid. And then after the ghost disappeared theres no more discussion on how or why she knows the song. Then the writers had ellen tell the tale of Daniel just to fill a plot hole. But then all of the Starbuck events occur (visions, death, reborn, seeking the ghost of her dad, random jump to earth 2, and disappear).

[@Arkalius80]

@@bloodCount8895 Presumably "God" inspired her father to play the song so she would know it. It's a pretty simple explanation.

[@thehantavirus]

the writers dint even know what to do with karas characther, i believe either the actors said it or the producers did, but they did half-assed starbucks "destiny" to giver her character some substance in the end. she is weirdly forced into the whole cylon/ human storylines, and also what arkalius80 said was wrong as well. I think the creator/writer of the show was focusing on making CAPRICA, and forgot many details of bsg and he rushed the ending. The writers guild strike dint help the series either.

[@beyerch]

Agree. The Kara mystery was too much for me. Still enjoyed the show overall, but this definitely needed some work, IMHO.

[@michaeldemarco9950]

Technically, 1/2. If you believe her father was Daniel, the one and only clone of Tigh and Ellen’s some. If you don’t believe that, she is the redirected clone of the original Starbucks, who died on the original Earth, was resurrected and sent back to the fleet by Baltar and Six in the 21st century.

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

Funny thing is she’s describing a trip from our solar system. We have a triple star system close named Centauri, (and Alpha Centauri is the close Star to us) implying the colonies is beyond in that direction. Do I even need to mention Saturn?

[@kinbolluck476]

YES ALWAYS MENTION THINGS

[@looneyburgmusic]

"There's not a ding or a scratch on it..." Except where there is, right below the "87" on the tail number :-)

[@ladymercy5275]

Holy frakk I never considered that before. Chief's a Cylon. And we're taking his word for it? He said he got it all scrubbed up. He said _he_ did that, and any evidence that it could have been the same ship is now gone, because he fixed it up again... personally. He could just be lying. And Kara could have just figured out how to warp jump manually, without needing a machine to do it. I mean, the Cylon Raiders are machines that can do it, and she could fly one of those. Plus they have guts on the inside. Maybe Galen was just so freaked out the possibility that Kara might be the fifth (5th) that he fabricated the new paint job himself.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

@@ladymercy5275, Truly though, what would actually prompt him to lie and falsify physical evidence, at this point? I just don't buy that he would have felt such a motivation.

[@RpTheHotrod]

@@mitchellmelkin4078 probably the same reason boomer had left the hatch open. She didn't consciously intend to - it was subconscious cylon instructions.

[@Nonamearisto]

"Yellow moon and star?" I think she got that backwards.

[@Spock4771]

To answer some question this is what i took it as When the hybrid says Kara is the harbinger of death, it is meant in the tarot sense of the word. Kara's destiny is to bring the humans and cylons journey to an end by showing them the way to Earth. The end of one thing means a new beginning. "You will lead them all to their end" means the same thing.Jul 4, 2012

[@prepper1013]

Tail numbers changed - 1:58 8757NC - 2:31 4267NC

[@ladymercy5275]

Galen's hiding something.

[@Mobius_118]

You see it happen when she lands on Galactica. One second it's 4267NC, blink, and suddenly it's 8757NC.

[@mitchellmelkin4078]

Prepper101, See explanation upthread. Technical crew screwup.

[@tariik.h]

It was confirmed as an editing error.

[@glenncoody]

aka Continuity error.

[@Philmaster07]

i think wormhole would be the logical explanation i think

[@garrusvakarian1053]

She’s not a cylon. If she was the other cylons would have seen her at the cylon meetings.

[@MiguelLopez-is9te]

When Katie Sackhoff said she didn't know what Starbuck was suppose to be, it was difficult for me to follow her storyline.

[@keitht24]

That's not on you, that's on the story teller. This entire plotline never made sense.

[@TheIgdrasil1]

Yeah, her plot was deus ex machina crap. I like to think that Kara was something similar to Boltzmanns brain. I dont believe that God send her as a angel to help them find the Earth.

[@IanParks144]

The remake of Battlestar Galactica had a strong leaning towards Scripture and an unseen God being behind how events unfolded. Kara Thrace was part of God's plan to lead Humanity back to Earth, and when she died, God brought her back to fulfil her mission. In the very last episode she completes her sacred mission and mysteriously disappears as though taken back up into the Heavens...... Once you step back and see the bigger picture of the story, it's actually a very interesting side story...... Kara Thrace is the one who is given the divine numbers to enter into the FTL Jump Computer which leads Galactica back to Earth. Without Kara they would not have made it back home Interestingly the jump coordinates to Earth are a mirrored version of the Fibonacci sequence.

[@ML-yn9yu]

@@IanParks144 Nice theory but thats all that is. In reality Katie quit to go on to Bionic woman, which ended up being a victim of the writers strike and got cancelled. She then was like.."soo about that job?" to bsg. Everything after they brought her back was an huge ass pull, nothing more nothing less. she has pretty much confirmed as much in interviews and pretty much said they wrote themselves in a corner with her in the last season.

[@IanParks144]

@@ML-yn9yu Ohh.... Thanks. I didnt know that :D

[@ethangavrilmoreno8479]

Kara Thrace is just a divine emmisary, change my mind.

[@Cenot4ph]

It's a lazy plot device, unfortunately it's where the show lost me a bit.

[@nancykeovongsa7818]

I wish their was more season and Mary and as Laure was a masterpiece

[@noellythall8284]

Starbucks is the bringer of death.

[@somewhere6]

None of it makes any logical sense. There have been too many leaps of logic and holes to sew it together properly. So, they just play it up with hints, suggestion and atmosphere and then let the audience endlessly puzzle it out and discuss it in their own way. Many viewers with be convinced that their own explanation is the right one but the fact is that they did not have a well laid out plan for the entire series and ultimately made up things as they went along.

[@vodkatonyq]

It's called poetic storytelling. Maybe it'd help if you get acquainted with Virgil's Aeneid.

[@somewhere6]

Spare me the smoke and mirrors. They started out with some effective concepts, mainly visual and atmospheric, by which to give a different take on the original series but without a plan. They ended up without a coherent story so they just slapped different things together to keep the machine running.

[@vodkatonyq]

@@somewhere6 your loss.

[@Cenot4ph]

​@@vodkatonyq no its what really happened, you can make up any story you like

[@TheByteknight]

She has her feet on the table while talking to her commanding officer, an Admiral as well as the President.

[@tammymartinez7488]

That Starbuck went to our earth. The first Starbuck died on 13th tribe earth

[@civilizedagesabers]

I've never understood her character from her disappearance and then her return. Then she vanishes at the end.. Can someone explain? She a ghost?

[@Luck_wrought]

Starbuck kinda sus. Ngl

[@dontuateytu2557]

Kara was just an avatar, just like...we are.

[@phrophetsamgames]

So many people saying that they hate when things are unexplained lol. It's meant to be mysterious. You're not meant to know everything.

[@johnbox271]

Kara was/is an Angel.

[@greatwitchallah7080]

I was locked in the house.

[@davidhenderson3400]

I have long had a theory. There were no humans at all. They all died in the Cylon War. The war did not happen 50 years before but more like 500 or even 5000 years before. Every single one of them were in fact a Cylon. Cylons that had advanced so far they though they were human. If you really think about it this is the only thing that makes any sence.

[@bmanne8247]

I can't help it I don't care for the president not only does she lie but is kind of two faced.

[@JhoomerSahib]

And this is when BSG started going downhill for me. Starbuck's return was never explained. Unless "gawd dun it" satisfies somebody. It's as if post Final Five reveal RDM had no idea where to go so it was Deus Ex Machina over all.

[@kpmh2001]

Well... he didn't. I'm pretty sure from season 3 onwards their original writers were gone.

[@piotrd.4850]

For show used to bashing Star Trek, there was far too much of Gaius Baltar, Number Six and literally "Deus Ex Machina" every other episode but again - what to expect from Ron Moore....

[@dreamer2260]

@@piotrd.4850 Exactly.

[@Taospark]

I mean they did try to set it up. Starbuck was always supposed to be drawn to the wormhole and was always supposed to be sent back; it's just that it was sloppy intentionally so that the humans would realize there was another force at play beyond even the Final Five or the Thirteenth Tribe which they didn't really understand until the attack on the Colony.

[@turtledan2513]

During our nights in my dreams...I ask her, but she just keeps punching me 🤷

[@kadmii]

yellow moon and star... a foreshadowing that it isn't our Earth?

[@Andropov-l2w]

hahaha meanwhile.....🥲

[@ignaciomartinez8501]

well she is half cylon that is for sure

[@Arkalius80]

Are you saying that based on the fan theory that number 7, Daniel, was her father? Ron Moore (show creator) debunked that theory a long time ago. The original Starbuck was fully human, and died. This version of her is the same type of being that Head Six is, but different in that she doesn't know what she is and can be seen by everyone.

[@atakanucar9708]

Correct. Starbuck is not a half cylon. For the plot, the first half cylon/human baby is Hera. That’s even why they put Cally in an affair with another man than Chief, after we all (writers included) discovered that Chief is a cylon. Their baby could not be the first half-blood instead of Hera.

[@cbstevp]

They went off the rails a bit here in the last season. I never could swallow the whole concept of Starbuck's journey and all that followed. And who the final five Cylons were was a bit frakked in my opinion. Some exciting moments in Season 4 but the weakest of all seasons.

[@vodkatonyq]

season 4 was my favorite. I just loved the leaps of storytelling it took. It was more daring, more poetic and spiritual.

[@missleeogilvieraygaal]

No

[@Steve_Hayden]

Ok, so who or what the frack was she?

[@MrAlkylation]

A messenger like baltar and number 6 "ghost". They are the version you prefer: angel from god (this is what people think in the show) or superior aliens being like ancients in stargate. In the official lord it's the second version. They are the entities who rules the eternal circle of human/cylon history

[@colin8696908]

What shitty writing it's the same thing they did on lost.

[@backtosleep]

I never liked starbuck in this series.

[@nancykeovongsa7818]

Starbuck was annoying