BATTLETECH: The Lament

[@steweygrrr]

"But most of these are private military firms... and Clan Seafox" I'm not entirely sure that distinction between the two was necessary...

[@drakoloreseeker5112]

Legend has it that every lament mech comes with a puzzle box

[@BigRed40TECH]

It can bring great pleasure.

[@gary9346]

@@BigRed40TECH ROTFL!!! Excellent reference!

[@steweygrrr]

Is that for every Lament _configuration_ or just the stock model?

[@drakoloreseeker5112]

@@steweygrrr every configuration just some of the later ones were not as good

[@sim.frischh9781]

This is probably one of the best looking designs in its TRO, in my opinion. And i really like its straight-forward loadout, this is a very "simple" mech. Nothing about it is fancy or exotic, this one is like a spear in a world filled with boomerangs. Due to this it has a very sympathetic honesty about it. While not by weigth, this one IS an Assault Mech by nature.

[@jimvenanzio6561]

The german Beerstein, Pretzel, and Mechgineering association awarded this one "Best Light Assault Mech In Show" at the Octoberfest in Munich Germany... .... There was no "Light Assault Mech" category.

[@sim.frischh9781]

@@jimvenanzio6561 Danke 😁

[@maverickman6486]

I like the look too. Very rifleman like. More mechs like this and I might have to become interested in this era.

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

Seeing all these Dark Age and ilClan Era designs makes me wish we'd get a game set in either period someday. I mean, the Lament itself is a pretty awesome Mech in terms of design and philosophy. Firepower, speed, and protection, all in one package. Yeah, the non-standard parts and difficulty to maintain would be hell for the mechanics, but hey at least the MechWarrior gets to run rampant across the battlefield with a speedy Heavy Mech and rack up a ton of damage before having to get back for repairs or the MW gets killed.

[@brodypullishy932]

The Lament looks like a Warhammer had a baby with a Nova Cat. Visually, as well as load-out wise, especially the variants

[@MajorTymojo]

The import sports car of republic mechs. Stunning performance, but good luck fixing the thing with anything approaching sanity fiscal and time wise. The 4C reminds me of the thunderbolt IIC, same movement, just 5 tons different, and improved HLLs, even if the IIC went with the more sane 2 and threw in some ER ML's and a streak 15 to actually manage and bracket the heat. They even both have difficult to maintain!

[@metalmadness5851]

I think the fall of the Republic was rather premature. There was a considerable amount of potential to it's place in the setting for how quickly it was tossed out in favor of the Wolf Empire. I really hope that, even with the fall of Terra, the Republic will still survive with the few systems still unclaimed by other nations and maybe make a real play at a return to power.

[@justinarchibald3857]

The Lament is my favorite Republic mech. I absolutely hope they are built in several of the houses. 65 tons of fast face smashing fun.

[@MultiKbarry]

The DC might pick it up since it and its load outs fit them.

[@asimplenobody7797]

Fingers crossed

[@Alex-pj8nz]

@@MultiKbarry Factory is on Terra so they can’t steal it, Sea Fox would have to sell them the design which is unlikely.

[@MultiKbarry]

@@Alex-pj8nz They might have acquired some models while tearing down the RotS before the Wall came up.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

@@MultiKbarry Doesn't mean they can build it, they need to take the factories. The Republic sabotage the Caph Factory before they left so no hope from there for the CC. Sea Fox would probably sell the design to the Fed Suns if Wolf Empire doesn't want it since they have set up nicely there and Fed Suns got Clan tech factories.

[@thestabbybrit4798]

The Republic may have been flawed as a political entity, but I do love the war machines it produced. Ave Imperator, gloria in excelsis Terra!

[@androssthered1157]

Not like the other factions are the perfect systems. But I did like the idea of the Republic. Seemed like a better Free Worlds League.

[@Gigas0101]

I always love when logistics are taken into account, even if it means the death knell of a machine as imposing as the Lament. That 'mech is an absolute beast. Like it's heatsink system, it's downright radical!

[@gary9346]

*guitar riff*

[@wraith6667]

We need a video on the RotS take on the MadCat. It was sometimes referred to as the Miffed Kitten.

[@TheArchaos]

As was said to me from someone a long time ago: War is 90% logistics and manufacturing, 10% actual combat.

[@treevenewson]

Maybe it needs a trailer hitch for its log train. LOL

[@g-man4439]

What a brilliant callback to the venerable Warhammer design, while introducing serious logistical problems. A great design visually and I hope we see plastic models soon!

[@miinyoo]

If you are not equipped to decapitate a Lament, leave the area entirely. Whenever one shows up on scan, that's the time to think very deliberately about what to do next because at least one of you is not going home.

[@warlynx5644]

Well everyone will be making it home. The question is if they do so walking, in a wheelchair, or in a coffin.

[@OptimusJedi]

I came to Battletech after the ilClan era already started so the Republic of the Sphere was already dead. The more I learn about them though, the more I like them. Such cool mechs and using cutting edge technology just makes them so interesting. It’s too bad they are gone. I’m not sure if it will go anywhere but at least in the Northwind Highlander books they are supposed to carry on the mantle of the Republic.

[@gary9346]

I am intrigued, although I didn't care much for the Northwind highlanders as a unit during the game itself.

[@akashicb]

I've been enjoying these Dark Age(?) mech videos. I stopped paying attention to BT lore when the Clix launched so this has been an easy intro to newer material.

[@treevenewson]

Yes, I hate the Dark Age/Il Clan era storyline, but love the "Mechs and most of the characters.

[@franksmedley7372]

Hello Red. The Lament, the original version, is one of the best designed Mechs in the game... at least in my humble opinion. And yeah, I know the old saw: 'Opinions are like A-holes, everyone has them, and they all stink'. But, having said that, the Lament is about as good as it gets with IS Tech. The only way to 'improve' the Mech would be to install Clan armor, engine, and weapons... and given the difficulty in obtaining that, can one really say it is an improvement? I would gladly use this Mech 'as is'. And that, for me, is very high praise indeed.

[@gryphon3241]

faaaaar and away my favorite mech of the era, for functionality and looks, i hope we get to see a plastic model sometime soon

[@BigRed40TECH]

Plastic Lament would be awesome.

[@SamSam-qh1os]

The Lament looks fantastic and preforms fantastic. One of the few Dark Ages exclusive mechs that I love both form a function. I even like the fluff too.

[@jameshojnowski8455]

As a Republic fan, I definitely want to get one. Can''t wait for the plastic one coming out Q4 next year.

[@BigRed40TECH]

Yea, I love the Lament. Fantastic Mech.

[@jeffanderson6390]

definitely one of the coolest looking 'mechs

[@theapostatejack8648]

This thing screams ambition. The best of the best of the best, sir! With honours. The R.o.t.S. because trying to mimic the Terran Hegemony is always going to work just fiiiiine.

[@robrib2682]

something tells me even if the pilot dies in the heat from the alpha strike, they will regret nothing as they probably will delete even an assault mech

[@kennendo8922]

Spot on assessment of the Lament. I really like this mech but with the exotic tech and non standard parts I can't justify it being fielded by any faction I'd want to play on table top.

[@boost2.041]

I've found a new favorite mech. Thank you for showing me this

[@TehSquare]

The FedSuns produces the RHS System and has units with XL Gyros so those elements probably have a chance of getting replacement parts.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

There are Republican units in the Fedsuns.

[@sngooms]

I quite enjoy the RoS they're literally a nation ruled by knights and has some pretty great mechs

[@gary9346]

Right there with you brother!

[@Kurorahk]

The Lament is one of those odd mechs that I love the idea of it but never really went in on. It is a shame it has non-standard parts as that will be its long-term deathknell but maybe Sea Fox and Marik can come up with something to keep the design around but with logistics and firepower in mind. It does though come off as what it really was, an IS mech designed to work like a clan mech, and the RoTS paid for that degree of sophistication and technological power.

[@MultiKbarry]

I could see the FWL making a GR, LL, and or LRM variant.

[@stormcrow28]

Well done. I will note that C3 Boosted Masters can work with normal and boosted C3 slave units, and the Republic leaned heavily into C3 as a part of their force multiplier doctrine along with drones. The Lament is a nasty customer.

[@Chris_Sizemore]

Honestly? Every company that feels like it can reverse engineer the Lament should probably attempt it. Fantastic design. Sea Fox as a notable customer should appreciate the design enough to do their typical shenanigans and acquire the design specs and manufacturing personnel from Wolf. If that happens, it also means there would be some clan spec variants that would come out. Also this is a strong enough design that any House would be proud to field them and I really wouldn't mind if every house managed to start producing them in small quantities.

[@Zeeke01]

Yay one of my favorite Dark Age designs!

[@alessandrof.1359]

I think you are very professional for your Chanel size and also very pleasant to listen to pls more mechs ^^

[@spotH3D]

I have the 4RC mini and the 2R. That 4RC on the tabletop is nuts. It has that double damage internal structure though, and it still doesn't have enough heat dissipation. What a glass cannon.

[@igorbukovy4313]

I like the design.

[@kierdalemodels]

It’s a beauty! I haven’t used one yet in AlphaStrike but hope to get one eventually as it’s a solid mech. Good speed, good damage, decent armour. Thanks for another great video👍

[@michaelkimberling7307]

I could see this thing becoming a second line clan unit. It fits their preferred style of warfare.

[@MultiKbarry]

It probably will with the beating CW and JF took.

[@Tallus_ap_Mordren]

Maybe the ilClan Falcons. Jiyi Chistu’s remnant Falcons have plenty of mechs, but few warriors. So much so, that they were throwing Solohma in 2nd line assault mechs (such as Marauder IICs) at the Ghost Bears to buy time in a recent trial. This is a nice design for mixed tech. I would still take a Summoner or Grand Summoner over it, but i am probably biased.

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

Your content remains outstanding IMHO.

[@robertgriffin662]

Great mech! I appreciate that you did this, I recommended this one some months ago. Great video man and thank you!

[@cobalt968]

One wonders if the tonnage allocated to the RHSS would have been better off adding in more heat sinks or close-up weaponry, or perhaps even a MASC or Supercharger. I wonder if the ROTS might have been catching a case of the wonderweapon/wondertech syndrome that the Star League had in its later years?

[@DonaldWWitt]

Eh, it doesn't have the crit space for more IS Double Heat Sinks... but you CAN mount four Coolant Pods if you switch to standard armor and drop an ER Medium Laser.

[@kythebengzon8023]

The name is well earned.

[@victor227]

It sounds like the Republic of the Sphere, in addition to their wonder-waffles, really needed a solid line mech. Something like the Awesome: A wall of standard armor with cheap guns and a cheap engine. The Lament is a heck of a sports car of a mech, with Endo-Steel, Light-Ferro, Radical Heat Sinks, and an XL, and the 4RC especially is like a 65-ton Direwolf with way more mobility. It out-clans Clan mechs in quality, but shares and goes above and beyond on their weaknesses. If it's hit hard or knocked out and recovered, you're likely never seeing it on the battlefield again.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Sound like civilians design it, not mech warriors. Should have put in Clan ER PPCs instead of the improve Heavy lasers. Can keep all 2 of them firing every turn and they have range.

[@victor227]

@@Alex-pj8nz The truest lasting damage from the Clan invasion has come from the growing Inner Sphere addiction to their sweet, sweet, ER PPCs

[@MultiKbarry]

@@Alex-pj8nz The CERPPCs were probably being used on other mechs so they couldn’t afford to do that.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

@@MultiKbarry Pity the wall came up before the Davion Clan ER PPCs were put into production.

[@tripwire31]

The Lament, Kheper (really hope we get that vid soon), and the Tenshi are my favorite mechs are the Dark Age, bar none. The Lament is a perfect example to how far the Inner Sphere has come in terms of tech and hell, even looks. In some ways I'm upset the Republic is gone, though I still hold resentment for the faction for their use as the death nail of Comstar, and doing not much else.

[@BigRed40TECH]

Depends on people voting for the Kheper the next time polls go up for Dark Age Mechs, which will be after the original 16 omnimechs are covered.

[@gary9346]

@BigRed40k I liked your Tenshi video. Name wise it brings back a LOT of memories for me as I was a big Tenchu Stealth assassins fan back in the day.

[@abigailcollins8443]

Coming from a video on the PPS-42 and same points as there. Never underestimate the value of cheap, reliable, easy to maintain.

[@vana.johnson8845]

Always Extraordinaire & Excellent ✊🏾👊🏾👏🏾

[@swiftmatic]

Murphy covered the logistics issue in #20: "Parts that must be together to function cannot be shipped together. "

[@sethharpenger607]

The art makes me think of two possible loadouts, an AC 10 or 20 with a laser in each arm or a heavy PPC and UAC 2 in each arm

[@Qardo]

If there is a Lament that isn't painted Taxi Cab Yellow/Black and has a checkerboard pattern. Then, it has no business being called a "Lament".

[@MultiKbarry]

You could always paint some minis up in the classical Lamenter way.

[@CRAM079]

this is a very cool looking mech

[@treevenewson]

I'm just spitballing here, how about replacing the 4 ER PPC(c) on the Hellstar with 4 Imp. Heavy Large Lasers???

[@51DEMONIC]

Nasty mech got to admire its simple design focus in being direct fire support, could see this thing melting mechs easily even accounting for those of it's age. My main point of concern as a merc is no backups 2D seems the best version, but still can't help but think about the bills you would sink into this piece of hardware. The design really only works for Republic where their primary concern was to hold down the fort, but for mercs your always on the move and often in difficult spots for supply and parts. To be honest while I like the design, if I ever got one even in factory new condition, I would just sell it for whatever I could get. Invest in a few fire support options like PPC carriers, or some direct fire support mechs, heck with how much you could get you could easily retro fit whatever you buy. Like many Republic designs they are over engineered and assume you have deep pockets, and are only useable if you don't have to pay for them.

[@ogrehaslayers605]

My favorite thing about the Clans in this era, is that they destroyed yed that joke of a nation, the Republic of the Sphere. 😅 Great video, btw. Never heard of this mech and this was a fun watch!

[@spacewolfblackmane19]

I love it when you balance units like this, although it does make things tricky. Can't be too widely available or cheap to the point of being OP. But it can't be weak, rare, or expensive to the point where no one will just bother. It kind of why I like running clan mechs in my mostly hybrid Pirate merch company. Though I will say that some Clam mechs are just expensive because they don't know how to set up a functional logistics system. And insist on shoving unnecessary tech into places where they don't need it. But that's haft the fun.

[@gregkun1]

I replace the HPPCs for 4 Light PPCs with PPC Capacitors. With Clan salvage, I replace the IS XL engine with Clan XL, Endo to Clan endo, and Clan Fiber-Ferro. Then Loaded up 4 Clan Medium Pulse Lasers. I dropped the radical HS and just added Clan DHS for a total of 32 CDH making the heat 38/38. I also added a Clan Active Probe for battle intel. Doing this made the BV 2074 worth of 16,130,950.

[@MultiKbarry]

I could see that reasonably being a custom unit used by a commander. It would have massive issues if they ever tried to mass produce that though.

[@gregkun1]

@@MultiKbarry I have great brawler build of 6x ER Medium Pulse Lasers (Clan), Small Cockpit with LaserAMS, ECM Suite in the head. In the right torso a MASC, and 19.5 tons of Harden Armor. Still 32 Clan DHS for 43/38 heat thanks to the Laser AMS, but its wouldn't be a problem for to long when you close range.

[@MultiKbarry]

@@gregkun1 That’s a lot of piloting penalties but it does reasonably reach the 7 hex movement. I feel that load out would be more befitting a medium mech than a heavy.

[@gregkun1]

@@MultiKbarry The harden armor only gives movement a -1 to run for base of 7. That's why I put a MASC on. That brings it back up to a Run of 9. Still one Hex more than stock.

[@MultiKbarry]

@@gregkun1 Yeah but 7-9 gives the same bonuses anyways so not much difference.

[@observationsfromthebunker9639]

Whoo, this white elephant of a Heavy type is a real C-bill eater. My reconstituted merc unit isn't going to be able to afford it. (When your regiment has entire lances that cost less than one Lament...) That being said, the mech delivers performance for its price, dishing out lots of damage in short order. It requires a technically savvy and patient mechwarrior as a pilot, but tht pilot will have the ability to crush a Clan Heavy under a minute's time. I feel the tactical use for a Lament or two (I can't imagine an entire lance being deployed) is for it to be the guardian of an objective, supported by guard 'mechs and conventional forces. The attacker will have to go for broke and rush the hot-running 'mech, or smash their way through the blocking forces, risking sudden death from heavy beam weapons shots. It's a Kelly's Heroes problem; how do you secure the ROTS or other force objective with that thing parked in front of it?

[@BigRed40TECH]

It's a great mech, but as I said, this thing strategically is a just a problem.

[@evilmiera]

Wonder if we're going to be seeing any new mech weaponry coming out of the ilClan era?

[@Fedorchik1536]

Can we have a video about superheavies? Omega is such a cool design. Tripods are also interesting looking.

[@CMDRFandragon]

Bannson's Raiders. That was my bro's faction in clix. He was murder with his OP ass little Solitaire. And Exarch Jonah Levin, he was a bit of a bad ass. I quite liked using him and his Atlas.

[@TroySeward]

Cool nice mech.

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

I lament not having the ability to conquer systems in MW5

[@jamesricker3997]

The radical heat sink should have been replaced with extra double heat sinks.

[@ChaosTicket]

I like the idea behind the Lament as being kind of a successor to the Warhammer 6D. Its powerful, carries a lot of heat sinks, and doesnt depend on ammunition. It suffers from all the design problems I still wonder wonder why designers make post-Invasion. There are too many mechs by the Dark Age to really make specialized mechs. They should be Omnimechs for the benefits such as cutting down on maintenance through shared parts, quick armor replacement, multiple configurations, and easy customizations. The LMT-2R Manes custom Lament is the ideal. Upgrading from Inner Sphere Heavy PPCs to better Clan-Grade ER PPCs is a noticeable improvement.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Probably those own by House Davion can do it, officially they should be getting Clan improved heavy lasers in the readout.

[@madstan3750]

The name may be too on the nose for this, but I see them being used by the ilClan to take the worlds outside the wall they were originally meant to protect once they leave Terra.

[@krissteel4074]

Woohoo Lament parts in the salvage! Also Ah crap, Lament parts in the salvage Pound for pound though they are an extremely dangerous opponent for anyone regardless of their tonnage to be wary of and some of the more extant variants of them are even worse with the needle like focus , distilled murder of clan energy weapons.

[@ambientlight3876]

Ironically, before ever seeing this design, I've built something similiar only 3025 tech... A cheap and easy to produce 65 ton heavy meant to replace designs like the Warhammer. 12 tons of armor, 20 heat sinks, 2 ppcs and 3 medium lasers in vitutally the same locations as their counterparts on the Lament. Ironically, something like this may have helped the Republic of the Sphere survive...

[@sebastiang.5032]

Much sink, much radical.

[@androssthered1157]

Sweet looking mech. I liked the Republic for a bit. Was like a better Free World's league. ;)

[@tullyDT]

Is there a Lament configuring called the Cenobyte

[@CMDR_Saber84]

now that would be a lovely addition to a MW5 modded in mech-set

[@piedpiper1172]

With the YAML family you can build a very similar mech via the Lancelot. You give up 5 tons, but the one with the SDF relic (and thus the reduced heat generation perk) should get you most of the way there. -1X I think.

[@treevenewson]

Love the look of the Lament but not necessarily the internals. I've never been a big fan of XL anything, to me XL Gyro's are just asking for an immediate face plant in the dirt. Otherwise I love the look, the weapons loadout etc...One of the Republics best 'Mech designs.

[@SeismicWolf]

reminds me of a Nova Cat or Black Knight

[@MechanicalFrog]

Oh Republic... you so crazy.

[@shark_2283]

id love to see mechs like this get picked up by sea foxs production foltillas. its very easy to market this mech to people and it keeps the customer coming back for parts just a very good fit for them

[@Demolitiondude]

o7 for the republic.

[@gary9346]

You said it buddy!

[@piedpiper1172]

People compare it to a Warhammer, but the size, speed, shape, and energy load out make it much more akin to a major Lancelot update imo. If you shoved all the cutting edge tech into a Lancelot, the Lament is exactly what you’d end up with.

[@BigRed40TECH]

I agree. It's a super Lancelot in a lot of ways. Ironically, even though its an ROTS mech, it's built by the company that make the Comguards / WOB machines, and so it resembling the Lancelot makes a lot of sense in that context.

[@fmailaender]

I think the Lament would spike in effectiveness when combined with low tech, easy to maintained LRM Carriers which exploit the holes the Lament makes.

[@XanderDraft]

I look at the mech and I both love and hate it. It’s a great mech but it’s a case of trying to do too much with one machine. Sadly I don’t see this mech surviving without serious changes as the logistics and costs problems are prohibitively crippling. Honestly I could say this technically could also be considered a wonder weapon. If I was a mercenary commander and I had one these in my employee this mech would be on dropship guard duty for all but the most selective of missions due to the likely bankrupting costs if the mech takes any damage. The one thing I absolutely like with the mech is the lack of ammo based weapon systems on board. The XL engine is an issue but the speed it gains as a result is a fair trade. This could be a great Solaris mech as the raw firepower and limited engagements show this mechs many strengths while minimizing its weaknesses.

[@shagakhan9442]

Do you like the Juliano assault mech?

[@BigRed40TECH]

Yes!

[@shark_2283]

please do one of these on the stone rhino

[@BigRed40TECH]

The Stone Rhino will happen. Maybe this year? There is still tons to cover.

[@Ledabot]

It does have that shoulder protection

[@l0rf]

Seems like a great example of "too good to use" syndrome. The perfect mech for a single battle, a useless resource drain for a campaign that pays for years and with shaky supply lines.

[@Eulemunin]

Another bleeding edge design, killer until you have to fix it. Dragon and Marauders cross. But that radical HS is just bad idea.

[@MultiKbarry]

RHS works great this just isn’t a design that makes proper use of it.

[@Eulemunin]

@@MultiKbarry you’re right, in this context it’s a bad idea.

[@impressiveprogressive7343]

The clans favor skill and minimalism and the I.S, excessive tonnage and a complexity they can't seem to maintain. This Mech, I am sure, will quickly become a "2C" series of clan refits.

[@Elrigger]

Well done video I am a fan of the lament I've got to play at 1 time and it kicked ass chewed bubble gum and took names It's a shame that the Republic of the sphere Fail Yes I was really starting to warm up to them but the way the The writing for the character developed stone had been handled it doesn't surprise me the sphere Was eventually defeated Sorry head to edit. Vttx on Samsung is way more stupid then old phone :/

[@rho1581]

It’s an Awe-Hammer

[@RenegadeY]

Ive found that if there's a iwm mini i really like, it was probably sculpted by joel hardwick, great artist

[@weaselwolf]

Too bad it's not an Omni... I'd love to hear about the best Lament Configuration to show you the face of pain

[@meining-mech4378]

I’ve heard this colloquially be known as the “AweHammer”, mostly because of its cross between visage of an Awesome and Warhammer. The model looks cool, but I largely feel uninspired by RoTS designs.

[@riptide1ful]

The King Tiger

[@purpleboye_]

The thing looks like a nova cat but better

[@krieg4017]

Good!

[@BigRed40TECH]

Very good!

[@revlouder5865]

Id like to request the orca to be next

[@joshuamidgette4846]

I still prefer the Thunderbolt for a good 65 ton heavy battlemech without supply issues.

[@da_BemBem]

BattleTech lost a real one when the Republic died. Gonna be playing "Republic Remnants" going forwards now!

[@carlosrgns]

i heard comments help the video ;)

[@roguerifter9724]

If only they had included jump jets I would love this design.

[@MrSteven1884]

I've listened to most of the grey death legion books I have access to and want to delve deeper Into the lore. Does anyone have recommendations for further listening or reading?

[@gary9346]

Tex' stuff is quite good, also check out big red's vids on individuals and groups in the inner sphere. The vid on Toranaga is good, as is the video on comstar.

[@osogitzgraymane72]

I paid to effectively sink 80 heat, I'm gonna use it! < alpha strikes a battlemech into fondu >

[@Xathos]

2:05 Devlin Stone retired around the end of the Third Succession War, and before he was born. Full on Chuck Norrised the timeline there.

[@BigRed40TECH]

misspoke. lol

[@gary9346]

@@BigRed40TECH No, he's THAT badass, you didn't misspeak!

[@SeismicWolf]

Wow, An actual Good Republic Mech?

[@raxsavvage]

a lament 2C would be welcome

[@raxsavvage]

with the only real sticking point being the endo , with older models being IS endo and new ones being clan endo spec which , im not even sure theres a funtional difference in tabletop