Batwoman Season 2 is the Worst Show on The CW (Video Essay)

[@TheInfiniteDraw]

Batman trained for years both physically and mentally to become who he is. I take issue with the idea that you can find a Bat suit in the trash can, or in an airplane wreck or whatever, put it on, and then not immediately get shot to death the first moment you try and fight a baddy. Batman is a literal ninja, in peak physical condition, and the world's greatest detective.

[@viraticwars]

But he is not a woman or ethnic so he is inheritantly inferior because of woke culture. Go woke, go broke.

[@LucinaIRL]

And he also had to learn every single fighting style in the world lol.

[@courier6960]

He also spent decades of dedication to not only learn fighting styles and build up a near mythical reputation, but also become the best version of himself while learning and trying his damndest to not kill anybody.

[@jacobjackson2275]

But he isn't a woman soooooo #Gowokeorgobroke

[@ssSukaGavinat]

There’s a reason ruby rose left

[@racool911]

In all honesty, this show makes the new seasons of the Flash look like a masterpiece

[@GIGio_Official]

True

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

The flash is my favorite out of the cw shows rn but I would take this riverdale season over this show

[@chrisbillups3632]

You giving the flash to much credit. It sucks

[@racool911]

@@theoutsiderjess1869 Rn Legends of Tomorrow is my favorite

[@GIGio_Official]

@@chrisbillups3632 true Batwoman just suckes more

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

I truly think the worst part about this series is that the writers seriously think they are doing a good job. I mean, they have to. They have just doubled down on all of their terrible writing from season one. Words cant explain how they seemingly just can’t see how bad this is.

[@GIGio_Official]

What makes it worse is that the show is bleeding viewers and nobody is trying to make a change to fix it.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@GIGio_Official I cant think of any excuse that they just think their writing is so good or the message is so good and needs to be out there. Its baffling.

[@tauhid9983]

Well I think season 2 is doing an amazing job far better than s1. Keeping me engaged....U think the writers are doing a bad job that's ur opinion. Some of us actually enjoy what they are doing lol

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@tauhid9983 How can you actually praise the show? They have a deus ex flower that does whatever the plot needs it to do. The crows have the power to to whatever they want yet then get randomly restricted. They are constantly treated like the police when they are a private security company and have members that are cartoonishly evil. Ryan is a narcissist, and the show always makes her out to be right. Luke is worthless so bad they never have any trouble using the bat tech when he is gone (he is supposed to be the tech guy!). They keep changing black masks motive (first it was he hated batwoman, then it was his daughter got trampled and now its Jacob's fault). They keep making up bullshit to give Alice a redemption arc she has not earned (like brainwashing is a good excuse for her mass murdering and was clearly made up after season 1). Jacob is constantly treated like an idiot and always talked down to even when he was right (mary running a clinic with no license is really irresponsible). Do I have to go on? I seriously dont understand how you could ever non ironically like this series. I question if you have ever watched tv other than this.

[@tauhid9983]

​@@edwardrichtofen8530 Uhh so the Deus ex flower is a magic flower that can heal any wound if that's a problem maybe u should try and have a fight with the writers of batman and them having Lazarus pit as a plot armor lol. Well, yea sure Crows have the most power in Gotham hell even compared to the police, and them just being a private security company may have changed into a military police-type presence due to crisis. Post Crisis batwoman was trash any of that shit I don't defend so that's that. The members of the crows had just one actual bad guy if I am not mistaken, which is Tavaroff. He was motivated by power, racism, and total Ra's Al Ghul mentality. No idea what u mean by "cartoonish". Ryan is a narcissist....uhh ok how so? Ryan aint perfect but I guess that makes it an interesting story element for character development "Luke is worthless so bad they never have any trouble using the bat tech when he is gone (he is supposed to be the tech guy!)" - U do know they are not some 19th century dumbass who doesn't know how to use the damn computer. And Mary and Luke have been on the sidelines while doing all the batwoman stuff so perhaps Mary learnt some stuff by observation?!? Luke aint worthless when he is literally building the tech batwoman uses and he is a tech guy sure doesn't mean if taught someone can't do a simple GPS tracking or smth. "They keep changing black masks motive (first it was he hated batwoman, then it was his daughter got trampled and now its Jacob's fault)" uhh have u been watching the show properly my guy...dude's been going crazy about why he is against batwoman, which is his original motive. But with Jacob and Alice abducting his daughter he went psycho and started attacking Jacob too. Removing Jacob out of the picture makes it easier for Kate to stay Circe instead of going back to Kate. Tbh it all makes sense if u give a little more attention... "They keep making up bullshit to give Alice a redemption arc she has not earned (like brainwashing is a good excuse for her mass-murdering and was clearly made up after season 1)" yea so I am convinced you not even paying atp....Alice wasn't just brainwashed the whole concept of love was washed out of her brain...so that's a pretty good excuse for her doing all that shit she is been doing since season 1. But that's not the only route to her redemption arc. And we see a good development in her character as she finds the ocean and starts reviving her memories. "Jacob is constantly treated like an idiot and always talked down to even when he was right (mary running a clinic with no license is really irresponsible)" sure Jacob isn't my favorite character the actor doesn't do a great job either. But....I guess one can blame his weak behavior for him losing both his children and with the snakebite drug. So in that regard, it makes sense... U question how I like the show, well I like the show cuz it's actually good and have good reasons to. I watched a ton of other shows all my life and am I gonna say this show is the best show ever?? Hell Nah...but it ain't trash. Tbh the only reason I stuck around batwoman is cuz I love the arrowverse and I am too invested. If I wasn't maybe I wouldn't really care. The fact, is ppl have their opinion. I bet you'd be surprised and confused if someone says Avenger's Endgame was trash and there are some who do say it and I do agree with them to some extent but disagree to a greater degree. But it doesn't matter cuz although they have their opinions and logic I respect that. I hope you can too. It's honestly pathetic to be pissed just cuz someone likes something you don't lmao. Like it's a fucking tv show...and HAVING FUN is subjective. I don't have to explain that lol

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

It's absurd that Constantine got cancelled after only one pretty fun season and Batwoman is one of the worst shows of the decade both critically and commercially and still gets renewned after 2 disastrous seasons.

[@hinatashoyo1748]

Funny thing is Constantine was created by a company that also likes to cancel their shows on a regular basis

[@hinatashoyo1748]

@@SimonWoodburyForget Oh you didn’t read my comment? I said Constantine was created by a company that ALSO likes to cancel shows on a regular basis. Since you can’t read that means that CW cancels their shows on a regular basis, and NBC, the company that ran Constantine, cancels their shows exactly how CW does it.

[@Nathan-ti9pm]

An amazing show that was made with love and respect Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance was cancelled after one terrific season and this shit gets renewed for a third season... Yeah there's no justice in the world

[@hinatashoyo1748]

@@Nathan-ti9pm What does a Netflix show have to do with a CW show?

[@Nathan-ti9pm]

@@hinatashoyo1748 just comparing how a good show doesn’t get the respect it deserves, while shitty ones thrive

[@arcader8138]

I didn’t watch this show, but this video left me with one question: “what training does Ryan have?” After some research on her Wikipedia page, I found that, Compared to Bruce and Kate, Ryan has little to no training. Bruce traveled the world for years and sharpened his skills with the greatest teachers in the world. Kate joined a military school and also traveled the world to hone her skills. All Ryan did was serve some time in prison and take some martial arts classes at her local YMCA. That is such an insult to the Batman name. This show should have ended more like Dave’s first attempt at being Kick-ass.

[@CameronMetrejean]

Agreed, there’s one line from her parole officer saying “All those years teaching martial arts” and that’s it. We don’t even know what kind of martial arts. I keep waiting for her to talk about being a foster kid made her want to be able to protect herself so she got lessons starting at a young age, just SOMETHING to make her abilities even a fraction close the others. But nope

[@Aspect_of_the_idiot]

Just you wait they also make her fucking smart or smarter than Batman. Also Batman isn't just his fighting skills and gadgets but also his smarts i mean if i recall in the comics he defeated the justice league using his wit and studying them in case the worse could happen the guy plans everything

[@Graycata]

I think they were going for that living on the street can give you the same skill as a master of martial arts. Giving her never shutting up about her rough background. I don't care what city this is set in. No that's not how that works

[@Lil_Santa_2001]

Batman is GOAT, Kate is joke, “Ryan” is croak

[@Shintigercurl]

it still pisses me off on that one scene where ryan's gf guilt trips a doctor rushing off to a person who literally dying into helping her. and then gets mad because the help he gave her wasn't good enough due to them both lying about how she got her bullet wound and how bad it legit was.

[@GIGio_Official]

Oh 100%, trust me my section on terrible characters could have been a lot longer.

[@Supermark420]

There's one scene that legit passed me off. Luke discovered that Ryan had been hiding her kryptonite bullet wound for months and didn't tell anyone about it. He said something like "if that isn't heroic, what is?" NO, IT MAKES HE4 A COLOSSAL MORON!!!

[@Shintigercurl]

@@Supermark420 i would say batman wouldn't do that but considering they spent the first season making bruce out to be an incompetent idiot, i'm not so sure anymore.

[@Supermark420]

@@Shintigercurl as far as I am concerned, Batman doesn't exist in this universe.

[@Shintigercurl]

@@Supermark420 it's ok. I mean, the show pretends batman doesn't exist

[@aidanaidan8662]

Maybe its just me but I dont believe that a show about an unregulated vigilante who acts extrajudicially and uses excessive force and owns multiple unregulated weapons has any place criticising the cops.

[@GIGio_Official]

agreed

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

The worst part about them criticizing the cops is that the writers forget how evil and irresponsible batwoman is while, as the video says, names any law enforcement either as incompetent as a toddler or so evil I think I am watching a preschool show.

[@aidanaidan8662]

@@edwardrichtofen8530 the first batwoman also murders a tied up man after getting angry at him and the second leaves alice to get killed and actively searches to kill Alice

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@aidanaidan8662 she has a direct kill count of 2 and an indirect kill count of like 15 (plus the attempted kills) from Alice because she let her go all the time. It got so ridiculous they were just popping in to say hi to each other every other episode.

[@jaguar1224]

​@@edwardrichtofen8530 Not only that, they mirrored the real life "shutting down the police" movement by disbanding the crows in the show. Except that it only works on the show bc Gotham has GCPD as a backup and the real life police don't have any backup. Like all of the social justice plotlines in the show, you can find flaws in them with basic logic.

[@strykerx24]

I think that the show is either a Tax write-off or the writers are just saying what on Earth can we do to get this show cancelled?

[@GIGio_Official]

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me! It like " how much shit can we make before the cw fires us and tell us to never come back.". Lol

[@AS-ri1mb]

@@GIGio_Official 😂😂

[@uneterostardust8233]

@@GIGio_Official It sure must be fun to go Batshit crazy on the writing with no immediate consequences :v

[@robbieelkins2301]

Amen.

[@GIGio_Official]

@@uneterostardust8233 must be. Lol

[@crodog100]

Honestly the bad cop stuff would've been offset so fast if we just had a Commissioner Gordon type character but it seems we didnt get one which is like the VERY BASIS of Batman's whole operation. Like Gordon is the "People can still do good in this city and believe" type of dude who helps Bruce after his parents death, and is their helper, friend and way into the police.

[@greencrewpostor8467]

"The suit is literal perfection!" "It will be, when it fits a black woman."

[@notnate000]

is that actually a scene

[@mashats27]

@@notnate000 I think it's when Ryan tells with Luke about suit improvements

[@deadartist8827]

@@notnate000 yes

[@lovelylipbonesouwwwwwwwolv2198]

Omg this is so cringe... Why did they say that???

[@B1g_B0sssss]

Hollywood hates red heads.

[@hordakprime6172]

It's sad how this show will likely kill the comic character beyond all hope of redemption.

[@darthbullymaguire2072]

Arthur I’m a big fan I saw you on the news killing Murray who’s you’re next victim?

[@norouziman8748]

It happened to me with The Flash. Everytime he gets stuck or doesn't know how to fight his rogues instead of just figuring it out he has to consult with Team Flash....what!! Why does he need assistance with captain cold you're telling me he isn't fast enough to out run being shot by a cold gun thankfully the Snyder Cut did some serious Damage control on The Flash, in the Snyder Cut he lives by himself and he learns everything by himself and TURNS BACK TIME as Earth is getting evaporated. The Snyder Cut almost got me back into watching The Flash but I had enough willpower to stop myself fuck the CWs The Flash

[@hordakprime6172]

@@darthbullymaguire2072 Haven't decided that. But always nice to meet a fan.

[@omeloithemarshmallow7663]

Are you the real society clown?

[@hordakprime6172]

@@omeloithemarshmallow7663 I'm not Phoenix if that's what you mean.

[@andrewcurlutu6422]

No, you haven't missed anything. This show is a legit dumpster fire. Until the people who run CW stop throwing money at the show, it will never have any motivation to improve.

[@GIGio_Official]

Thank god it's over after season 3

[@Fatalis690]

@@GIGio_Official don't get your hopes up because they could announce a fourth season.

[@tauhid9983]

Well that's ure opinion...lotta ppl still watch and enjoy the show so definitely not a dumpster fire. Honestly, if I had a dollar for every time someone tries to bash a show just cuz it had one bad season or episode like God.....it's pathetic

[@jamesh3350]

@@tauhid9983 A bad season and a bad episode are two vastly different things. If people started bashing a show over one episode, then I'd agree with you. But I think it's fair to bash or criticize a show for having a bad season, given that in order for a season to be deemed "bad," most if not all of it's episodes have to be bad. Also a lotta people seemingly don't enjoy the show, given that it received an Average Audience Score of 17% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 3.4/10 on IMDb, and a 2.8/5 on Google Reviews.

[@tauhid9983]

@@jamesh3350 sure season 1 was bad I’d agree with you but season 2 is on a whole another level. Unless ppl don’t pay attention and actually give this show a chance past a single bad season maybe they can discover something different. Rating honestly don’t Mean that much other than saying what the majority says. And if a majority doesn’t necessarily indicate an absolute truth. There are many great tv shows and movie out there that are rated horribly by critics while a lotta bad movies and tv show rated well. In the end of the day....judging a tv show or movie is a lot more complex than a simple good or bad. Unless of its clearly apparent that the show has weak writing, plot, character etc etc which by no means is indicated in batman at least in season 2. I watched a ton of tv shows in my life to judge whether someone is genuinely good or bad....so I am not just saying stuff.

[@WaywardFanboy]

Generally I’m not a fan of negativity, but even I gotta admit that watching you roast Batwoman for 30 minutes was incredibly satisfying ☺️

[@kenny3237]

Yeah

[@GIGio_Official]

Thanks man, don't worry once I get through that last 2 videos on my hit list, You gonna get a positive video about a certain Man of Steel

[@WaywardFanboy]

@@GIGio_Official ooh! Cool! I’m betting it’s on Superman & Lois 😎

[@MegaKittyCyute]

The worst part is they just ruined the character Batwoman. She’s one of my fav comic book characters and they just ruined any prospect of her ever getting another adaption for a long time.

[@seanoduor7768]

CW has reached an all time low

[@chillyflame383]

I hate how they made acab as “all crows are bad” like Jesus Christ why’d they include the shit acronym.

[@GIGio_Official]

Cause the show is shit

[@GigaChadh976]

@@GIGio_Official What’s double ironic is that ACAB used to be a Neo Nazi acronym.

[@DrGandW]

@@GigaChadh976 Pretty rare for the Nazis to lose a symbol instead of gaining them

[@TheycallmeNoid]

Nah Ryan was a poor idea poorly executed, personally I would’ve made Sophie Batwoman it makes much more sense than matin entirely new character

[@GIGio_Official]

I never thought of that. You know what, I'd cosign on Sophie being Batwoman, at this point anything is better than Kate or Ryan

[@JayRedGear]

Don't even understand why they didn't just do that. Would've been less cringe or "Help! Help! I'm being repressed" from Ryna.

[@drserr6581]

Nah, Julia Pennyworth should've definitely become Batwoman, she already wore the suit once back in season 1

[@RodrequezRobinson2001]

What u trying to say my nigga, why can't she be Batwoman, let me guess because she's black, I swear black heroes can't never get no love

[@themetallicblur1315]

@@RodrequezRobinson2001 I don't think you realize that you're commenting on a thread that says that Sophie should be Batwoman. The reason people don't want her to be Batwoman is because she demonizes everyone who works in law enforcement while also claiming that her drug-peddling girlfriend is redeemable. Ryan's morality is inverted, but that's portrayed as a good thing.

[@tonycleek4981]

The show cares more about social agenda than telling a good story. You were correct that Arrow did more of moving the conversation by showing both sides had some legitimate points but left the actual decision for the audience to talk about. Batwoman just wants to preach at you and tell you how to live your life.

[@GIGio_Official]

Thats is why Arrow > Batwoman

[@tonycleek4981]

@@GIGio_Official The sad thing is that I liked the premise of Batwoman. What happen to Batman and why did he left? Where did all his villains went? I thought they could kinda do a post Watchman world like the movie. For the first thing, Gotham seems like it is ok without Batman. It was almost that Batman clean up Gotham of the real bad criminals and just moved on. The other problem was to make Kate or Ryan look better because of their poor decisions they had to crap on Bruce/Batman. The second issue is with Alice. She was never a consistent villain with only motivation to go for revenge. Most villains can have a revenge story but they are more calculating on building an empire. By trying to make Alice more sympathetic, they nerfed her as a threat. It is like watching Pinky and the Brain where you know that Brain is mostly harmless and the threat is low. The other villains are too stereotypical evil or misunderstood minority that has been oppressed. There is no actually time that Kate or Ryan are really wrong or held to task for their poor views or decision making. In roundabout way, they make the right choices and the show will bend over backwards to show that. The disdain that Kate and Ryan have for the people who don’t support them is more hatred instead of understanding where they come from. I don’t believe this show has had one straight white guy be right or be seen as just average person trying to get by.

[@GIGio_Official]

@@tonycleek4981 damn, this comment is spot on.

[@ioniiKxFreeZeX]

@@GIGio_Official arrow>Superman and lois>flash>legends>blacklightning>supergirl>batwahman

[@Matthew-ij3zm]

Regarding Arrow's gun control episode, one of the producers (probably Marc) said they regretted doing it the way they did and that if they could do it again, they'd make their "side" clearer. It's a fun fact considering how Batwoman does these things, even though I don't think the show has the same producers as Arrow did.

[@asdfghjkl4024]

this channel MAD underrated, good humor, consistent uploads, open-minded, and agreeable opinions, how- just how

[@stackkhardt]

Most CW shows are terribly made the fact people watch them makes me lose all hope in humanity.

[@GIGio_Official]

Superman and Lois is actually very solid.

[@stackkhardt]

@@GIGio_OfficialI’ll give it a try.

[@GIGio_Official]

Let me know what you think.

[@terro4926]

Superman is the best cw show

[@kcee_kelz7489]

It is definitely acres clear off other CW series asides Arrow though

[@kevinpogue7294]

The writers can't write a hero's story in part because they are actually villains themselves.

[@GIGio_Official]

The true villains have been revealed. LOL

[@hansmichaelfanunal2545]

It’s a darn shame sense the Batwoman comics, especially the Greg Rucku run, was so good. This show had so much potential

[@GIGio_Official]

Every show has potential and it just so happens that this one uses none of it.

[@hansmichaelfanunal2545]

@@GIGio_Official and even when we shout out our criticisms they don’t listen, and as long as they have some audience they keep making this crap

[@GIGio_Official]

@@hansmichaelfanunal2545 At least the show is done after Season 3, but still... HOW THE FUCK DID IT GET A SEASON 3!

[@hansmichaelfanunal2545]

@@GIGio_Official the CW must have a really low bar for success

[@zilvertron]

@@hansmichaelfanunal2545 It needed a show fast to fill a time slot, and Dries & Co had the perfect timing to ask for an extension. Personally i think they asked for an extension chord, but the CW exec heard wrong and Batwoman production staff arent entirely stupid, woke as fudge and cram in political bullcrap nobody cares for yes, but not entirely stupid.

[@VDOTU5]

Alice being hypnotized into being the way she's been was the most disappointing part of the show to me because it has an err of; "Well, women can't be inherently *that* evil because... va-reasons-gina." Every CWDCU female big bad are coded as "not *thaaaat* bad" while the males of the like are more varied. This double standard is weird! MCU and DCEU did this too.

[@GIGio_Official]

Yeah it's kind of weird when you think of it.

[@ArnulfoSalgado]

I mean the DCEU hasn’t really had any female villains. It’s kind of small right now. The MCU really only has Agatha Harkness and she was a horrible person. Going by the comics, Nebula was always meant to be redeemed. Every other villain is a man or an alien/god. Their problem is less “female villains aren’t that bad” and more “there’s not enough female villains.” Hell Blsck Panther’s main female cast outside of Shuri and the Queen are villains in his comic book. Now they’re good in the movie.

[@egomania2792]

@@ArnulfoSalgado if you're looking for female villains in the MCU on the side of the villains, you're looking at the wrong side. Look at the "heroes" and you'll find your villains. Wanda takes an entire town hostage and enslaves the mind of the inhabitants to act out her stories, while all of them are STILL CONCIOUS. Wanda is literally torturing and mentslly scarring them for the rest of their lives, but it's okay because "they'll never know what you sacrificed". Melina from Black Widow invented and developed the mind control that enslaves HUNDREDS of Black Widows. And she is still meant to be a hero because in the end she betrays Dreykov. Like fuck no?! She is complicit, if not instrumental in the capture, killing and mind controlling of hundreds of young women. She is not someone who can just fly away with the good guys in the end. Oh yeah, I will be dropping spoilers. The MCU lately has developed a trend that portrays women as good persons, if not heroes, regardless of all the appaling shit they have done. Things that would ABSOLUTELY be villain material if the genders were reversed. But no, can't have a woman be bad, that would incite unwelcome uproar on a certain social media site... whereas it is totally fine for (white) men to be irredemably evil. "I'm not the one with the guns here!"

[@sinfulmudkip8138]

@@egomania2792 THANK YOU they D ride Wanda in the show so much trying to make her a hero when she isn't she really isn't shes a person who occasionally does really good things for self interest they try to redeem bad woman as oh they're good people heres an amazing example the leader of the sun smashers in falcon and the winter soldier oh my fucking god "sHeS nOt a TeRrOrIsT yOu JuSt NeEd To Do BeTtEr" no she's a fucking terriost like the text book definition of one

[@peanutbutter6720]

@@sinfulmudkip8138 to be fair I think they were trying to go with the “one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter” route with her. The shows bad packing doesn’t exactly allow her to be set up as great as she should have been, but they do at least try to establish that she has some limits. (Playing devils advocate btw, I disliked them even existing outside of being a force to divide Bucky and Sam against US Agent.)

[@RialVestro]

Wait hold up... why is one season of Young Justice being listed as a "Bad" TV show? Young Justice is a GREAT tv show. It was cancelled after 2 seasons not because it was bad but because Cartoon Network wanted to give the air time to a new series which everyone ended up boycotting to try and get Young Justice back. A third season was eventually made after years of backlash from fans. If the show was really bad no one would care that it was cancelled and no one would of fought for years to get it back.

[@kainpendlebury7007]

The first season was amazing, and the third was bad. The second season had it's moments, but was overall just okay. They tried to cram way too much into the second season. I'd say it was a good show overall. That's my opinion on the show anyway.

[@lil_izgarcia9096]

They have 3 seasons of young justice

[@gravityfalls1826]

S3 tries to push and shove way too many storylines into 1 season, most not going anyway. They added too many characters, while not even fleshing out past characters, that everyone loved, for new characters that no one even cared about. Ya, so S3 was a let down to most.

[@ojogbaneamedu2501]

Season 3 of young justice is utter garbage and this is from someone who was pushing for it to be brought back because of how much I loved the show.

[@stickwittaglocc7563]

Young Justice was pressure asfffff

[@Kyotosomo]

Honestly when I saw that Arrow episode I couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculously surface level the arguments were that both sides made it felt like some cheesy after school special from a few decades ago. I mean good for them for remaining non-partisan, that shocked me as usually they shove some stupid agenda down our throats, but even so the debate was so silly that I would have rather they just not covered it at all as it kind of did a disservice to both sides of the gun debate dumbing it down when there's legitimate fact based reasons to be on either side of the argument. Also yeah Batwoman is trash but to be fair so are all the CW superhero shows now.

[@TreySarver]

I couldn’t stop laughing when that episode was used as an example of “doing politics well”

[@gigigigigi1534]

@Lorenzo Smit superman and lois are product by HBO. It's not a "cw baby" even if they diffuse this serie.

[@sityxx1829]

@@TreySarver it’s only because it’s one of the rare pieces of media that doesn’t treat one or the other like they’re right. Other than that there was nothing nuanced

[@shadowknight1509]

Superman and Lois was really good Star girl season2 has been good

[@ArnulfoSalgado]

@@shadowknight1509 thise are HBO shows. We’re discussing shows on the CW

[@bensneb360]

I love Batwoman, she’s one of my favorite characters... but this show did her and all her supporting cast DIRTY, like wicked dirty, like worst than a pig in mud... here hoping some day we get a good live action Batwoman adaptation

[@GIGio_Official]

All we can do is hope for better seasons.

[@smugalice6206]

I’m very sorry for your pain.

[@JR-vt7rb]

Truth is, nobody would complain if she was terrible and white , but because shes black she HAS to be the perfect character, the same happens with Amber in invincible, if she was white nobody would care if shes terrible but because shes black she HAS to be perfect, otherwise they are doing her dirty, see the double moral there?

[@JR-vt7rb]

Is called positive discrimination

[@NickPotatoes]

@@JR-vt7rb No I dont see it. Stop trying to inject politics into a place where it doesnt belong. And are you serious about, nobody would care if she was white and terrible? Captain Marvel, anyone? In conclusion, get your head out of your ass and try to do something with your life that actually matters

[@Brea2108]

As terrible as the first season was, there was just a level of hilarity to the terrible plots, dog shit characters and cringe enducing writing that brought me and friends back every week to see what was going down in the new episode.Season 2 lacks all of that and is just rage enducing every episode and the new Batwoman is a genuinely terrible human being that makes Kate look like a saint.

[@kimberlygaugh4085]

So true! There was something very funny about the Kate Kane cheese! I was willing to give Ryan a chance when I heard Ruby left, but wow, all of s2 just made me want her back even more once she gets out of this stupid hypnosis plot. At least she was willing to work with the crows and save her friends more than freaking Ryan (who only cares about Angelique & getting busted for drugs). I just want Kate Kane to kick Ryan to the freaking curb and return. Yh, love how the showrunner said Alice will be darker this season but they give her a shitty redemption arc and have her "in love" with Ocean. So dumb. Hope you consider doing a part 2 to this because I was very entertained and just really miss the days of s1. Notice this season we haven't gotten any BW villains! They literally all disappeared and we're using Batman villains now.

[@GIGio_Official]

I didn't thin k it was possible to make Kate look like a semi decent human being, but Season 2 found a way.

[@GIGio_Official]

Yeah If the finale is extremely bad I may make a follow up, I just don't want to repeat myself, but definitely will make on when season 3 drops.

[@kimberlygaugh4085]

@@GIGio_Official they really did! I'm curious to see how Wallis Day will do in the role of Kate Kane.

[@fsociety7494]

Oh yeah, the finale was horrendous!

[@ellejay5024]

Man, Ryan went downhill from the minute she put on that suit and refused to give it up because she was the "327th baby of a black woman who died during childbirth"....ok?

[@zilvertron]

Then who is number 326, and who has the honour of being the 500th? personally i dont care, but if the number is so important, i have to ask about the others that came before. Maybe i can learn something or find a likeable person among them that aint victimising itself

[@haiderz4510]

@@zilvertron it’s me, I’m the 500th baby of a black woman who died during childbirth 😔 Wears my batsuit at 🧐

[@Xehanort10]

She basically said "I deserve to be a hero and have the Batsuit not because I've stopped any crimes, helped innocent people or tried to improve Gotham City but because I'm black."

[@tuffdude7795]

@@Xehanort10 Yall just don't pay attention to the show do you? She literally gave the batsuit back and the team decided she can be Batwoman. Also she did save innocent lives plenty of times in it.

[@brandonhall4547]

@@haiderz4510 I’m 499 sorry I still have it. I’m almost done avenging my foster mom

[@courier6960]

Here’s probably some of the reasons why the second season manages to be worse than the first season: 1. Writing for the second season was probably well underway before the end or even release of the first season, so the writers didn’t know what the audiences did or didn’t like. That or they had to do a bunch of quick rewrites with the actor change 2. There might have been an unbearable crunch time for the script writing, so the writers didn’t have the time to work out all the kinks 3. The first season did poorly enough to a point where everyone basically stopped trying to make a good product, and was just in it for the paycheck

[@chrisberg7862]

The problem with movies or tv only explaining one side is that’s not how real life works. There’s always 2 sides to a story and if you teach people to only listen to one that’s how you become an authoritarian douche regardless if you’re right or wrong on a subject

[@strykerx24]

Bro you need to join EFAP they watch this show and love how dumb it is.

[@GIGio_Official]

My twitter is @giogo35 . Put in a good word for me. lol

[@0x00Fyou]

What an unfortunate name they have - I LOVE IT!

[@Aspie_Aunty]

@@0x00Fyou EFAP stands for Every Frame A Pause and you can find each episode of the podcast on Mooler's YT channel

[@andyandrews3111]

Also check out Jlongbornes channel, she reacted to every single bat woman episode and it’s fucking hilarious lol

[@GIGio_Official]

@@andyandrews3111 I'm already subscribed. Her Batwoman videos are hilarious

[@WildZephyr]

It is right now. But the Powderpuff Girls is coming and that script they leaked? It sounds like that is actually the script they're using. Hold onto your butts everyone, we're in for a wild ride!

[@GIGio_Official]

I might watch the pilot because it would bring me so much content for a video.

[@randomnerd3402]

Oh my God the leaked script is so fucking bad!

[@vrgl8672]

They actually changed the script after it was leaked and redid the pilot episode because they felt is was corny and wouldn’t be that big of an impact

[@thesnatcher3616]

@@vrgl8672 They shouldn't even MAKE a live-action Powerpuff girls Re-reboot in the first place.

[@artsof_tm]

@@thesnatcher3616 Rather have a Powerpuff girls anime.

[@maldon3659]

That whole arc about police corruption makes me wish Jim Gordon was on this show

[@lloydzeroa.k.aforger6990]

That jail episode killed any interest for me.

[@misgnomer9919]

They were so desperate to replace Kate Kane with a black lesbian. WTF CW, isn't Sophie a black lesbian with combat training and actual ties to the other characters??

[@aurahoneydew9607]

Can Luke even be called the tech guy he's been taken out of commission and even in the team break up episode because the writers refuse to show women as any level of in a pinch so they straight up worked without him and when he is around it's just so others can find the answers quicker than him.

[@TaddiestMason]

His never mentioned before smarter and younger sister will replace him soon-and she’ll be ethnically diverse and adopted and have an anxiety disorder

[@danielbillingsley8073]

I heard bad things about this series (I live in the UK, so we're behind when America airs the programme). I thought it was just KZbinrs moaning though, because they love to criticise every programme now. So I gave this show a chance... However, after watching the first episode I just couldnt get into it. So Kate has just 'disappeared' like her cousin Bruce? A random person can just put on the Batsuit and use all its gadgets, and its still one size fits all? Nobody questions Tommy's disguise, except the person with expert secret agent training? And why did she then wait to tell everybody who Tommy might have visited? What is the point of Alice? Theres just a lot of rubbish writing and acting, and you can tell stuff 'just happens' to further a pointless storyline...

[@GIGio_Official]

Yeah, the story is probably the worse I've ever watched.

[@dahliablack9017]

Thank you! Finally someone who feels the same way I do I'm going to watch it even though I'm having a really hard time LOL only because I watched all of the first season it's just I think Ruby Rose did a better job

[@JadeRabbit-je4gd]

85 dislikes? Damn you got the entire Batwoman fanbase to downvote your video.

[@wulfgang4520]

467 dislikes now, must be their 409 alt accounts.

[@TabalugaDragon]

I disliked at first when he said Titans is a bad show(it's flawed, but bad? come on!), but then changed to to a like when he praised season 5 of Arrow, which, in my opinion, is the best season of the show

[@mariabelencoronel4879]

Hahaha

[@darqjade]

"Nothing good ever lasts" - The motto that hangs over the CW writing room

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

S2 E8's sense of time made me think of Frieza's "5 minutes" meme

[@alialluaibi3008]

How did these writers even graduated from writing school ?!

[@GIGio_Official]

You think they went to school?

[@alialluaibi3008]

@@GIGio_Official I assume that is the bare minimum to work in writing a script in Hollywood !

[@Kayoss13212]

Writers? Sure, let’s be nice enough to call them that. Lol. They probably got them from Twitter or Fanfiction. Lol.

[@alialluaibi3008]

@@Kayoss13212 I seen stories written on such sites WAY more consistent than the show ever been !

[@0x00Fyou]

Dude they're all on Wattpad or however it's fucking spelled

[@thatjackass1403]

To be honest i thought sofie was going to take up the mantle as batwoman in the second season it made more sense than an ex drug runner

[@GIGio_Official]

I honestly wouldn't be opposed to that.

[@kimberlygaugh4085]

I thought her Or Julia would've taken up the mantle but BW s2 really forgot about Julia this season.....

To be honest I'd wish they'd make a batman show like we all have been wanting

[@novabell24]

@@GIGio_Official In all honesty, in this video, I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about. I will admit that I never watched Batwoman passed Crisis on Infinite Earths but I’ve gotten back into it and it’s not all that bad. I do like the fact that Ryan is Batwoman. It’s like Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown being Batgirl. Yes, Barbra Gordon was the OG Batgirl but Steph and Cass are also good as Batgirl. My point is, Ryan may be Batwoman but she’s not ‘replacing’ Kate, she’s taking up the Mantle from Kate. Just like Duck Grayson will one day, and has on multiple occasions, taking up the Mantle of Batman. So it’s ok to pass that torch to someone else. In this universe, Batman is GONE! Nightwing DOESNT EXIST! The only hope the people of Gotham have IS Batwoman! Like Batman, she is a symbol. People need a symbol to rally behind. It doesn’t matter who’s behind the cowl. It’s about the Symbol. Whether its Kate or Ryan, Batwoman will always live on!

[@jcekap9522]

@@novabell24 ... So... let me get this straight. You *have not* actually watched the series to know just how awful it is. *(It is just bad. Like people actually made careers around how terrible it is.)* Now your talking about how he doesn't have any idea about what he is talking about ? And your now talking about random characters that you know that the circumstances *must be* different about a *CW show* ...

[@silvertongue.242_99]

Arrow had the best writing out of the cw, what surprises me is this a later season you think it would be worse. Not everything is good but it's consistent

[@Lil_Valor]

Hmm I wonder why the writers wouldn’t want their female villain being held accountable of their actions...

[@chileanyways9075]

you aren't oppressed

[@onyx_risen6843]

CW just shouldn’t be allowed to make anymore superhero shows

[@Xehanort10]

They shouldn't be allowed to make any more shows full stop. For a network whose supposed speciality is romance the couples in their shows all suck. There's no chemistry, no buildup to the relationships and the writers confuse lust with love. And on the rare occasion they make a show that isn't centred on romance you can rest assured it'll become an "all romance all the time" show by the 3rd season.

[@spacedoyster7686]

That episode 5 example gets even worse when you remember that Ryan doesn't want to help the Crows find a missing person, the exact same person she is looking for. She also ended that episode by telling Luke and Mary that they have to do things her way, even though they're the ones with the gear and all that. At that point, they should have fired Ryan and had Luke become Batwoman. Ryan also comes across bad when you remember that she was well aware that Angelique was a drug dealer while dating her, and didn't do anything about it until Angelique started to crack under the pressure. Luke challenging Ryan on things is nice and all, but I get the impression they only do that so a man can be wrong about things. I have very low expectations about the writer's intentions. The Crows incompetence is hilarious! The fact that they don't bring backup is the most consistent character trait in this show. Ocean managing to escape with a desert rose, or period blood flower, is completely nonsensical. That was what he got captured for attempting to do in the first place. Why would they let him take one? And why did he give it to Angelique?! How does he even know Angelique?! I've been watching Season 2 because it's funny. The complete lack of logic and poorly written characters make it quite funny, but episode 14 was so bad, I couldn't laugh at it. You have to mess up royally to make Drug zombies boring.

[@GIGio_Official]

Your comment perfectly reflects what my script wanted to be at the start, but if I asked all of those questions and pointed out every piece of stupidity I'd still be making the video. lol. But yeah I 100% agree, this show has reached a new low and I didn't think that was possible.

[@isplat927]

@@GIGio_Official So many Retcons/changes, no wonder it's in the DC universe, lol.

[@featherguardian6023]

CW has failed so many times with their shows that it is getting on my nerves and Batwoman isn't just the worst series in CW has made,but ONE OF THE WORST DC SHOWS ADAPTATIONS I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE,why?Because ever since CW announced that they are making a Batwoman show,I knew whatwas going to happen,what I didn't expect was that it was gonna be THIS BAD,the characters were unlikable(you forgot to add how ignorantly stupid Mary is by not seeing she's a criminal with illegal activities like her narcissist mother),the story is unrealistic and pointless,the villains are awfulCW are afraid of making female characters true villains,monsters,and terrible person because females can't be demonically evil but males do because they are the TRUE monsters(BOTH MEN AND WOMEN CAN AND HAVE COMMITTED MANY AWFUL AND TERRIBLE CRIMES IN HISTORY AND RIGHT NOW AND IT'S THE SAME GARBAGE STEVEN UNIVERSE DID WITH THE STORY THAT THEY AREN'T TRULY EVIL,JUST MISUNDERSTOOD,BUT THE DIAMONDS ARE FREAKING TERRORISTS WITH EXECUTING AND INSLAVING THEIR OWN PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T DESERVE REDEMPTION),and the main character(s)are both racist and sexist that has disgusting point of view,are selfish,only doing and playing vigilante to they own personal gait,have soulless personalities,have the characteristic of a TRUE villain,let good people die and fail their mission on purpose,and most important they are terrible to take the mental of protector of Gotham because if Batman saw what this 2 Batwoman did,he would have throw them away,fired Luke,take and destroy the Bat Suit,and show Gotham the joke Kate and Ryan truly are.

[@GIGio_Official]

Everything you say is 100% true. This show actually makes me genuinely angry. And I had a full section about Mary and how much of a shit person she is, but ended up scraping it as I thought that Ryan and Alice did a good enough job to show how every character is a horrible person. But yeah the fact that this show has one more season is fucking mind boggling

[@featherguardian6023]

@@GIGio_Official Thank you,I appreciate it and Yeah seeing garbage like Batwoman having another season and adding 6 more episodes from season 2 still bugs me and gets on my nerves.

[@featherguardian6023]

@@spectre3926 THAT EXPLAINS ALOT,NO WONDER IT FEELS LACKING AND OFFENSIVE.

[@featherguardian6023]

@@spectre3926 I think both Zach Snyder and Greg Berlanti are responsible for ruining the DC Universe.

[@featherguardian6023]

@@spectre3926 True,but making a future that Superman becomes evil and corrupted again ruffs my feathers in the wrong way and not to mention what Batman V Superman to Jimmy Olsen,Lex Luthor,Doomsday,and a few others stuff that made me realize that I don't understand and like Zach Snyder's movies,only exception being Man of Steel.

[@CoomanX5]

Season 2 of this makes RWBY volume 7 and 8 look like volume 1, 2 and 3 lol.

[@Koretheroy]

Damn that bad Serious not tho 7 and 8 wasn’t that bad 😅

[@rgama1173]

i would say 4 and 5 were the worst one

[@Gundam_JAY]

Its really that bad huh 😬 wow

[@griswo3272]

The dumb rwby hater detected

[@CoomanX5]

@@griswo3272 I said volume 7 and 8, not the show entirely.

[@CameronMetrejean]

Thank you for tackling the political discrepancy with critics. I really hate the trend of “considerate looking at both sides is bad because it’s not completely what I believe, But preachy SJW tripe is GREAT” . It really does have me wonder if it’s just them in denial or if they seriously think the latter is the better option.

[@harrykuehn3894]

I would have made Batwoman the opposite of Batman, who lived almost as a Tabern Monk. She would be heterosexual, and a wild woman. But no graphic sex, just you get the message. She is no nun, and she would enjoy beating the crap out of the bad guys. No murder, just good old fist-a-cuffs. Also her outfit wouldn't be super slutty but not exactly tame either. Her standard off duty vehicle would be very girly, nothing wrong with a heroine being woman and proud. She would also be a young and a fashionista, so we would attract a younger audience. Good stories, that follow well defined story arches, people want to follow. Great cinematography, set design and dialogue with cultural specific catch phrases. People will remember and copy in their daily conversations. Each episode a romping good time.

[@NorthernHandle]

Finally Gotham gets mentioned!

[@GIGio_Official]

ALL HAIL GOTHAM!

[@WolfishMule]

I was considering watching this show(mostly because the flash has gotten so bad) but now I think I’ll dive back into the anime rabbit hole.

[@GIGio_Official]

Stay with Anime! You are save there. Watch Dr. Stone not Batwoman.

[@roneherushin4638]

I heard jujutsu kaisen is pretty good

[@Here_is_Waldo]

La Blue Girl has it's moments, too.

[@yepsilon2898]

Hell even just stick with the animated DC movies.

[@tvesrb]

Wise decision.

[@Nemesis0921]

I'm glad you brought up that episode about gun violence from Arrow, Supergirl did one too but it was handled terribly. "Guns are bad no matter who has them"..this is actual dialogue from the episode.

[@isplat927]

If I remember, didn’t that come from Kara who is able to freeze things with her breath and shoot lasers out of her eyes?

[@ginge641]

Supergirl has an infantile perspective on morality and I love it for that.

[@thejudgmentalhistorian4496]

Wow! Now now, " The Worst" is a really strong word. You should say, "The Worst, for now.". It is CW we are talking about, they always find a way to one up themselves.

[@mj-f7135]

Did you read the powerpuff girl script?

[@alexgrissom3513]

I wish I could go back to 33 minutes ago when I didn’t know that batwoman existed

[@Xehanort10]

25:28 Oh yeah this is Ryan's "You're racist for telling me to turn music down" episode isn't it? I joked on another video that if Ryan farted near somebody she'd say them not liking the smell was racist.

[@Babymario26PS3]

Literally a real scenario, if you're white, or never hung out with more than 1 black person you really wouldn't know. I dont watch batwoman, but you can easily tell when someone lives in there own bubble when it comes to these video essays.

[@Xehanort10]

@@Babymario26PS3 Being told to turn annoyingly loud music down when it's disturbing people isn't racism. White people and people of all other races are told to do that as well. You're exactly like the misandrist who've got women scared there's a rapist waiting for them around every corner when there isn't. The majority of black people say something racist happens only when racist things actually do happen to them. Not like Ryan who thinks things utterly unconnected to race are all about it because the way the character's written her race is her entire personality and identity. There's more to real life black people and well written black fictional characters than being black.

[@Babymario26PS3]

@@Xehanort10 No where in my sentence did I say anything was racist, you're putting words in my mouth, what I did say that these situations aren't far off the mark as to what goes on in real life. As far as batman goes, I've only seen one episode of batwoman and I didn't like it.

[@BrysonRyenn]

@@Babymario26PS3 thank you. People just like to be ignorant. I don’t think in the situation of Ryan being asked to turn down the music that it was racist but in real life, there’s situations where black people are criticized for their music and the things they do. But not everyone will understand that.

[@Babymario26PS3]

@@BrysonRyenn yep they will never understand cause they will never have to be in that situation or something similar.

[@Sam_Gunn]

Honestly, I love black mask, he is a saving point of this show 🖤🖤

[@GIGio_Official]

At least the people playing the villains are having fun with it.

[@kimberlygaugh4085]

All the men in BW are saving it except Ocean lol

[@kimberlygaugh4085]

Literally all the female villains in this show suck or are just not threatening in s2. Safiyah just makes me laugh 😆

[@cybrid37]

The Black Mask in this show is probably the best live action adaptation of the character we've ever got. Such a shame. Would've preferred this Black Mask in the DCEU than the one we got in Birds of Prey.

[@JayDubayu316]

This season's plot is all over the place. Somehow season one was more coherent.

[@GIGio_Official]

It is honestly astonishing.

[@SpideyManSwings]

Season 1 : Slightly Overhated Season 2: went Downhill here Season 3: straight cheeks

[@lethalspaceduck3800]

For a show trying to make headlines, I didnt hear any of them, I actually forgot there was a season 2 until this video lmao

[@blackchakra8997]

Right!

[@knight3131]

The CW was good when it was it had Smallville and Everwood, it has a mix of everything for everyone, but only having superheroes shows is not good. When you using the same producers from one show for another you tend to use the same writers and I think they have run out of ideas or since their mergers they have fired all the writers from smallville and Everwood and hired those who used to work at UPN. The Flash starter out great but then after season 3 is seems that they switch writing team. Supergirl went to a similar process when it switched from CBS to CW. Superheroes show need at least a budget of 7-8 million per episode to work dueing important episodes maybe go as high as 10 million. If you are spending 1.5 to 3 million then you will get garbage. I wonder how much the writers of BW are getting paid? I think it would have been better if this entire or most of the season they never figure out who is the new BW until the midway episode and instead she was the one who figure out who was helping Kate.

[@GIGio_Official]

Yeah I think your right. As much as I love Superhero shows, the CW needs to start cutting some corners so we can get back to how things where years ago.

[@highway2heaven91]

The CW seems to be moving back in the direction of having less superhero shows now. They passed on Green Arrow and the Canaries, Painkiller and Wonder Girl and seem to be focusing more on remakes, Riverdale and All-American (by giving it a spin-off, among other things). Supergirl is coming to an end and Black Lightning finished last month. There’s only one more DC superhero show in development right now and that seems to be the only one coming up in the foreseeable future.

[@jth1954]

@@highway2heaven91 only Superman and Lois is good, they still can’t fix the flash LOL

[@irwingnieto9355]

I still like legends of tomorrow just wished they didn't rotate the team so much. I do miss Ray, Mick, Leonard, Martin Stein, and Jax. I love Matt Ryan as Constantine.

[@highway2heaven91]

@@irwingnieto9355 I miss those guys too, although Mick isn’t gone yet. It is gonna suck that Sara’s going to be the only one in the OG cast that will be still on the show next season (well, besides Gideon). The producers did state that the show would have a rotating cast though, and I’m enjoying both Zari’s as well as Behrad, Spooner, Astra and Constantine.

[@brandonhall4547]

That title is saying a lot because the heavy handed social messages have rendered these shows and unwatchable for me. It’s like saying which part of a pile of sh!t stinks the most lol

[@GIGio_Official]

I think I can safely say that this pile stinks the most.

[@brandonhall4547]

@@GIGio_Official more than safely🤣 it’s so bad I question whether or not it’s intended to be satirical.

[@shayla106]

Sadly the die hard fans are in the comments trying so desperately to defend this show. As if it’s going to make the writing any good or make more people watch this crap.

[@maxcovfefe]

Keep in mind, however, that these shows aren't just meant for adults. As cringe as it is to say, it's meant for families with kids to talk about issues, blah, blah, go raise your own kids, amiright? But that said, if they don't "teach values" they lose those viewers. In a perfect world, it would be more balanced like the example in this video about Arrow on gun control.

[@benjaminhurley6460]

@@maxcovfefe the show where batwoman tied someone to a chair and tortured/killed him is a show for kids?

[@softvtae]

After Ruby Rose leaving the show, I just got disinterested in the rest of the show, But I am forcing myself to watch because she might come back for a cameo

[@GIGio_Official]

Probably not considering they recasted the character of Kate Kane

[@raen5256]

@@GIGio_Official The new actress should have just been recast from the start and continue the plot from season 1 tbh.

[@joeramsay6269]

Ruby rose batwoman was uninteresting and boring

[@ilikemyowncomments9065]

They can't cancel it. It would be considered a hate crime.

[@poordrunkard]

hahaha facts

[@Xehanort10]

Its existence is the real hate crime.

[@TF2Fan101]

I guess Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter were anomalies in terms of superhero TV shows. Or maybe it's just that the writers on those shows cared more about telling a good story rather than what the CW chooses to do with a lot of their shows.

[@TabalugaDragon]

exactly. No political or feminism bullcrap on AoS, just well-written characters are being well-written characters without screaming "women and black people are good, white males bad!"

[@timothydelacy9571]

Hi Gio this is your first video I watched. I love watching people tear apart batwoman. Heel vs baby face, EFAP and Jlongbone.

[@GIGio_Official]

Jlongbone and EFAP are fucking hilarious when they tear into this show. Glad I can add more fuel to this bat fire. God this show is bad

[@josephbennis349]

Batwoman isn’t the worst show on the CW, it’s the worst show ever put on the air😂😂

[@GIGio_Official]

Honestly you may be right.

[@SmegmaFU]

Call me Kat or Chad may be contenders for worst of 2021 but you're right, Batwoman is the worst show of all time

[@freshnelson4804]

The audacity that you can say that after watching this season of Flash

[@ultimatepaine6401]

It is worse than some shows that never aired.

[@alexandregrand-pierre1981]

@@freshnelson4804 ok this season of Flash is bad, but have you seen Batwoman? 😂😂😂

[@timelord2502]

I couldn't believe when the show made hush basically Alice's henchman, he should have been a main series villian and personally I was no expecting luke to even become batwing at any point during Ryan's first season as batwoman

[@marcfield1234]

I watched all 3 sessions of this total train wreck just for the Alice story line alone. Aside from the total tragedy of Beth Kane this is total bat shit.

[@Clonetrooperkev]

4:00 She needs help from WWE and AEW for how to cut a promo. “THIS SUNDAY, AT GOTHAM BOTTOM, I’M GONNA PUT YOU INTO THE BAT CLUTCH, I’M COMING FOR THE UNDISPUTED BELT!”

[@mechajay3358]

This show is just plain awful with it's characters and plot, I mean it's own lead left the show after one season, yet it's insane how it still manages to continue.

[@emericalad]

You know... It's tragic when a video essay is more consistent, and better constructed than a race/gender-baiting tv show, in its entirety.

[@GIGio_Official]

Thank you, I try my best.

[@raheemcamal998]

Facts

[@Puggapillar]

29:06 "luke can't grow as a character" well *yea not anymore*

[@graemeromias645]

Wait, so are you telling me that Tech support and the local nurse, both of whom have little to no experience in combat, were somehow able to defeat a full fledged assassin!? I mean, I didn't watch the show so if that's how it is, I'm glad I didn't.

[@jaydaville1105]

I haven’t watched a show on WB since Charmed… but I love deep dives psychologically into shows and movies such as this. Great promo bro.

[@haiderz4510]

I liked season 1 a lot more than 2. I feel like season 2 has no direction whereas season 1 looked like it was actually building up to something.

[@movieblocks9164]

23:22 and some might also call this “cowardice”. I find this episode to be an absolutely awful way of showing the dangers and benefits of guns. It’s extremely on the nose and doesn’t choose a side. If the episode wasn’t so on the nose and a little more nuanced, then they could play the both sides argument. But when it’s handled in such a childish method playing it in a way that says “both sides are right” is absolutely stupid. It’s not as bad as how batwoman handles police brutality and systemic racism but it’s still pretty stupid.

[@GIGio_Official]

I think it is more to do with the fact that the show is giving you as much information, so the viewer can come to their own decision. I'd much rather a show not take a side then tell me how I should think.

[@Xehanort10]

I don't get why Kryptonite is being used on a show with no Kryptonians on it. I know in other continuities its radiation affects humans like when it gave Lex Luthor cancer but on a show with no Superman, Supergirl, General Zod or the like it's pointless.

[@smugalice6206]

Not to go “achtually,” but Supergirl and Superman were in the Batwoman episode of the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover.

[@snowstorm2874]

Ok just to put my hat in the ring here I believe the main reason for batwoman's downfall (i liked season 1 sue me) and some other shows is mainly the CW. The CW has in most of their shows started showing a little too much of their own politics for better or worse. Batwoman basically gave the message that most police and police like organizations are institutionally racist. I don't think Tavaroff is racist as much as power hungry and a jerk. And Tavaroff shooting Luke is just straight bs no police officer or the like would assume immediately that the black man is guilty and the shady looking white guy that is CLOSER TO THE CAR is innocent. The same thing is happening in the new show Kung Fu (which is a great show when its focusing on the you know kung fu and magical swords and not civil unrest). The Flash, Arrow, and Legends have never had this problem in almost every season so far and have just left politics and beliefs out of the equation which made some great shows.

[@GIGio_Official]

I agree. I feel like the CW is hiring based on a checklist rather than on how good a writer is and it is effecting all of the CW shows. Some more than others, it's why I hate the Flash, but I despise Batwoman.

[@Sidian.Rose.]

This show reminds me of a quote "Congratulations you played yourself"

[@harrambou9468]

Sophie is pretty much the only character who’s gotten better over time... Luke’s a pushover (this poor actor) Mary’s practically a sociopath Ryan’s a sociopath AND a hypocrite Alice is just...unwatchable I at least feel bad for Jacob

[@GIGio_Official]

Its funny how the characters i end up feeling something for, the 2 crows, and Luke who didn't even want Ryan to take up the mantle in the first place.

[@Xehanort10]

Mary treats Jacob like shit. She works in an illegal clinic and he offered to set her up in a legal one but she said no.

[@nickdaddario9152]

alice is actually and was the only person that carried the show Majority of fans came for alice ok.

[@biggiecheese726]

If you look at the ratings of this show, they are only going further and further down. I’m honestly surprised the show’s getting a third season, especially when no one’s watching it

[@GIGio_Official]

Oh yeah the show is bleeding viewers every week, the only reason their is going to be a season ,3 is because the CW ordered a season after about 2 episodes into season 2

[@tvesrb]

Clearly someone at CW favors the show. It certainly didn't get renewed on it's own merits.

[@ffjj3964]

Oliver once said: The real heroes are the ones who keep going. No matter how low the views are!

[@GIGio_Official]

@@ffjj3964 I'll do it... for Oliver.

[@thatguywhodoesstuff1432]

That's not how ratings work for the network.

[@JosephFrostsGhost]

I only just now discovered this channel because I've been watching a lot of Batwoman content from Heelsvbabyface, MauLer, and others for quite some time, and your video only just today popped up in my recommended videos. I was not disappointed with your view points. I like your animated version of yourself that pops up a lot in the video, and your thoughts and view points are spot on. I watch the show ironically, like how I know most youtubers do, because I know its a dumpster fire, but it's hilarious to make fun of. I immediately subscribed to your channel and set to all notifications. I look forward to more of what you have to offer. BTW, you're very cute. *runs away in embarrassment*

[@ezemadink2732]

lol bahman takes the media microphone to pass a message. Results are pretty much the same as a babysitter saying you wont get icecream!

[@bananaboi9067]

Your videos are amazing mate. Appreciate your hard work and especially your passion. Hope you get the recognition you deserve. This KZbin algorithm doesn't know a good creator if they swung their balls in their faces.

[@yepsilon2898]

Season 2 just proved that these writers have ZERO idea how to write minorities. Season 1 kept constantly shoving down your throat the fact that Kate Kane was a lesbian. Reminding us every other episode like it wasn't already the shows marketing point. Then this season introduces Ryan. And every other episode or scene is her CONSTANTLY playing victim. Everything that happens to her is apparently either the CROWS fault or a prejudice society's fault. And she complains and preaches about how everything is the "white supremacists" fault more than actually being Batwoman. She's not a good character. She's a token black girl that the writers use to preach their own morals and politics in an unsublte and poor outlet.

[@Xehanort10]

Didn't Kate also manipulate her ex who was bisexual into getting back with her by making her think she was just a lesbian in denial?

[@yepsilon2898]

@@Xehanort10 Something like that. It was more sot he writers making it seem like Sophie was only ever in a relationship with a man just to hid being a lesbian. It's 2021( 2020 when season was out) no one cares if you're gay or straight.

[@Xehanort10]

@@yepsilon2898 Exactly. But the CW don't see minorities as people but as hollow shells whose minorities are their whole personalities.

[@TheSololobo]

Why does Ryan Wilder always look like she's been through a dust storm.

[@GIGio_Official]

LMFAO

[@harrambou9468]

Bc she’s been oppressed by the dust spread around by da Crows aLL CrOwZ R bAd

[@gaiarailink]

One thing I find endlessly entertaining about Batwoman is how it's a show about stopping criminals as written by people who seem to despise everything about the legal system. The Crows, GCPD, courts, and prisons (hell, throw in the medical system while you're at it) are all portrayed as evil and the team are very quick to remind you how much they hate them. As a result, Batwoman constantly lets dangerous people go until, seemingly at random, the show realises that a criminal has to go to jail. in which case the show just sort of glosses over the fact they don't believe in the legal system. Another thing is that since the start of season 2, I decided to play a game where I'd guess a character's alignment based only on skin tone. Basically, the darker a character's skin, the more morally in the right they are (according to the show). This may seem like racial profiling but I'd like to assure you that it 100% is and I've never guessed wrong.

[@aidanaidan8662]

Also remember that both batwomen owns multiple unregulated weapons and uses excessive force and criminal negligence and cannot be held accountable

[@GIGio_Official]

Yeah, I don't how of all characters to talk about these legal systems, they choose a member of the a bat family. The same people that always work with police and if not, outside the law.

[@benben3409]

You were talking about Alice's redemption. Little did you know, that (in my certainly not humble opinion of course) there's an even worse redemption out there! In the Legend book, Thomas is set up as a compelling twist villain. After June (main character)'s brother is killed, she starts a vendetta against Day (also a main character), who was framed for his murder. However, they fall in love, much to the dismay of Thomas, who beats Day because June wouldn't love him (and I swear, it's actually written well, despite how bad it sounds). Pretty soon after, June discovers a conspiracy Day had already believed in that had gotten her parents killed and gotten her brother killed by Thomas as well. Thomas, despite being June's brother's childhood friend, doesn't have any guilt, and regards it as following orders, the same strategy that had given him a relatively high rank. SIKE!!!!! In the sequel, Prodigy, the evidence that June found that practically proved Thomas had reported June's brother before killing him? No. Thomas didn't report him, some random tech guys did. And then Thomas had told June's brother to stop, but he hadn't. And then it's revealed that Thomas was just doing his best to keep June safe when he killed her brother, and that his last words were for Thomas to protect her, which Thomas decided to accomplish by attempting to seduce June. Not only does that turn a compelling villain into a hero, but it doesn't even matter. He doesn't appear in Prodigy AT ALL except for one scene where he explains this to June. Oh, and I almost forgot. June's brother and Thomas were in a relationship (not that I have anything against being LGBTQ+, it's just that it was not set up at all and is not a useful or enjoyable addition to the story)!

[@TheChildofAuraReborn]

The only way I can tolerate even watching a minute of Batwoman footage is through watching JLongBone tear it to shreds. Don’t know what I’d do without her glorious commentary. Also one of the things I hate the most about Ryan was when she gets angry at Mary for talking to Sophie (Someone she has known for way longer and on better terms with) instead of her, when every time someone has shared something personal and vulnerable to her, she used that information to emotionally manipulate them into doing what she wants. It’s astounding how good this show is at writing truly loathsome characters, but the problem is that they’re writing characters who you’re supposed to like and support. I cheered more for Zsasz than I did for Ryan.

[@zscout1288]

If your looking for more of batwoman, EFAP (Which Jlongbone has been on) does live reactions of it. They are legitimately the largest batwoman fan club (not for the reasons that the creators would want).

[@TheChildofAuraReborn]

@@zscout1288 Oh yeah EFAP is a riot.

[@storm4710]

Same

[@manngupta322]

For me this show doesn't even exist I just watched this video because u made it and it was really great. I have already stopped watching all cw shows but from what i have read the flash has also lost its sense of stakes and thrill like it had in first two seasons, like i have read that in an episode speedforce nora kills strength force alexa rivera and just as they were mourning her death barry and iris ressurect her by channeling their connection to the forces and i have read another thing in this comment section that i didn't know about like the forces being barry and Iris's children like wtf it's as bad writing as wonder woman sleeping with steve in WW84.💩🤬🤬

[@CometStar100]

Superman and Lois is really good. You should check it out. It's the only good show left in the Arrowverse since Arrow ended.

[@GIGio_Official]

Thanks for the support man! Yeah no the CW has been making some garbage TV, with the exception of Superman and Lois. And YES the flash has indeed gotten that stupid.

[@Xehanort10]

Kate and Ryan are villains the show's trying to portray as heroes. Kate did nothing but constantly let Alice get away and there's no hope for Ryan " everyone and everything is racist" Wilder.

[@GIGio_Official]

Honestly there is no hope to redeem either of them because the writers think nothing is wrong.

[@Xehanort10]

@@GIGio_Official When Alice the main villain is the least horrible person in it there's a problem.

[@FlarrowSpider]

This show makes Arrow season 4, The Flash seasons 4-7, the bad seasons of Supergirl, Legends of tomorrow Seasons 4 and 5 and Black lightning season 2 look like masterpieces

[@darthbullymaguire2072]

Yeah lol 😂😩

[@harrambou9468]

and even Arrow Season 4 had great episodes.. Glad everyone’s finally admitting The Flash has gone to shit in recent years 😂 Tbh it’s always sort of been that way but Season 2 had potential Too bad tho, they all seem to be having fun...and not giving a rat shit that Hartley Sawyer was cancelled

[@harrambou9468]

@@darthbullymaguire2072 Look at little Bully Jr...

[@darthbullymaguire2072]

@@harrambou9468 that’s a cute name did you’re husband give it to you?

[@Sharon-zj2gp]

Black Lightning season 2 was great in my opinion.

[@MetaCinemaYT]

I watch all the CW shows with the mindset that it's pretty bad television, but I can enjoy it as Saturday morning cartoons. Almost every show starts off with a great first season and can even hold it's own for another 1-2 seasons. Arrow and Flash were great and degraded overtime but still had some charm. I eventually gave up on Legends after the first couple episodes of season 3. I only caved and watched Supergirl cause I had just gone through a huge breakup and had nothing else to do. I could appreciate what they were trying to do with these shows, it just wasn't worth my time. Then I watched Batwoman. I could only stomach the first few episodes. I don't think I have to explain why. I enjoyed your deep dive into CW hell. You're braver than most, man.

[@kcee_kelz7489]

After watching what seems to be the last episode of Batwoman, I agree with you 150%😩😩. It was sooo disgusting seeing Ryan ask Alice for help and still shade her even after asking for help from a "villainess"... And then the whole emotion swing from hatred to compassion and then pity and then back to hatred. Very irritating to watch😤😤

[@Symon2099]

I never watched Arrow or Flash cos one was a WannaBats and the other was meh. I tried LoT, but after they ditched Darvill, what little interest I had in it pretty much evaporated. I mean, if they released a "Just the Sara scenes edit", I'd probably sign up for that. But everything else on it is tosh. I actually enjoyed the first season of Supergirl. After Snyder's SuperBland, seeing a Superperson actually enjoying the whole being a hero thing was a joy. But then the CW took over. And the CW apparently hate Kara. Because I never seen a show that so consistently nerfs and underutilises it's main character like Supergirl does. Barely an episode goes by where she doesn't need to be saved by someone or where she has anything more than the most minimal impact on the narrative. Something that has only increased with the addition of more characters to basically run the show, whilst Kara is usually nothing more than a supporting character at best. As for Batwoman, I skipped season one. Comicbook Kate was one of my favourite characters of all time, so when they cast Ruby Rose, I was out. Even taking into account the usual standard of CW writing, there was no way Ruby Rose was going to be able to convincingly play a character so layered and complex as Kate. And from the occasional clips I saw, I was right. So when Rose left and we were going to get a new Batwoman, I decided to give it a go. Aside from the absence of Rose's "acting", with the new Batwoman being an entirely different person, I figured I'd give it a look, as I had no pre-established investment in the character. And I wanted to like it. I really did. I'm not a TV snob who only enjoys the most high-brow shows. Seriously, I could sit down and happily watch an episode of Team Knight Rider or Sheena (yeah, showing me age a bit there). But this? This is legitimately awful, awful TV. The problem with it is, it feels so.... childish. Like the storylines are something more akin to a Saturday morning cartoon, cos everything is always so neat and handy and convenient. Like the episode where that kid goes missing and it turns out Ryan was kidnapped by the same woman cos what are the actual chances, eh!? And then after another long string of "Well, that was convenient" moments, the whole thing culminates in the kid being recruited into the gang that was holding Jacob. A kid that Ryan subsequently finds in the nick of time by the power of... "looking". It's essentially a show where things don't happen through the natural development of an ongoing storyline, but they happen because they need to. Regardless of how much sense it makes or enormous suspension of disbelief that might be required.

[@ffjj3964]

Batwoman Season 1: Was victimization of Gays. Season 2: Is victimization of Blacks. Season 3: Will be victimization of Trans or Immigrates. (Whichever Woker.)

[@kdubbss0583]

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they did both to get double the woke points to lessen the viewership ever more 😂😂😂

[@dylanbennett5669]

I definitely agree with this it feels the show is slapping people in the face rather than explaining and exploring the issues it's trying to get across

[@gibsonfoster1050]

I have seen this video twice and enjoyed it both times. Awesome vid.

[@GIGio_Official]

Thank you so much! I'm glad u enjoyed

[@StilloFrm187]

Somebody would have to pay me at least $150 and that's just for one episode it's just so cringe to me

[@ajbreacts1237]

I feel like Supergirl and The Flash are tied for the worst CW show since I literally can’t get through an episode without falling asleep

[@zetokaiba5867]

Its sad what happened to the Flash the first two seasons were good then they just gave in to the CW curse.