1967: EUROVISION - Is UK Victory a SHAW Thing? | Late Night Line-Up | Music Debate | BBC Archive

[@hand587]

I love these videos. I always get a mixed feeling of how much as changed since then and how much has stayed the same, it's fascinating.

[@hilaryepstein6013]

1967 - when Britain was the coolest place to be and for me Late Night Line Up seems to epitomise that for some reason, maybe it's the black and whiteness, maybe the theme tune.

[@jasonayres]

Is that Chris "Yesterday's Man" Andrews?

[@LeighRichards27]

ive always felt this show should have been called 'late night light-up'. In every clip ive ever seen from this programme everyone is smoking like a chimney lol

[@ajs41]

Just a reflection of the fact that everyone else was also smoking at the time.

[@pauldavies6037]

@@ajs41 and coughing

[@EmoBearRights]

Life on Mars showed that a lot of people were still smoking in the 70s too.

[@davidpanton3192]

Stag do, was it? One of the panellists wasn't smoking; really letting the side down.

[@johnrowan7137]

I'm amazed. Every one of those songs are fabulous.

[@depniff]

The guy with the comb over got everything wrong. Easy to say in hindsight but he lost me when he said The Sound of Music wouldn't be remembered as one of Richard Rogers' best. I agree it might have been difficult to be sure of Sandie's success but it was a catchy tune.

[@MattM-ce3qe]

He was as wrong as any man has ever been! Classic!

[@Tomalak]

“The Sound of Music won’t be remembered at all” LOL

[@harrypalmer4857]

Ah, Sandie Shaw... Lovely.

[@clipstone]

That guy on the right is what would have been called a SQUARE back in the '60s.

[@Dantianblue]

Fascinating.

[@petergivenbless900]

Confusing the subjective with the objective; I can't say what good music is, but I know it when I hear it!

[@gosha_x86]

@5:54 Nice ))) ❤

[@tomc642]

It is great to see all these prolific songwriters of the 60s in their prime, all assembled in one place.

[@garryleeks4848]

Funny seeing people smoke being interviewed, most people smoked back then , Sandi shaw was great

[@LeighRichards27]

Late Night Light-Up 😉

[@nationstolemyrobots]

More proof that making musicians into criitics doesn't mean they know any more than the other musicians in the room. That's doubly true if it's going to be the same old argument about the previous generation's music being better that your own parents would think twice about before using. I don't rate Puppet On a String as Sandie Shaw's finest three minutes (I don't think she does either) but saying that Richard Rogers would not be remembered for the Sound of Music is absolutely hilarious.

[@stepheng8779]

Tell The Boys was on the B side to Puppet, much better song. Interesting to hear all these boring blokes blowing up each others backsides saying how great they are & asking how many songs will be remembered in 30 years time & the other fella knocking everything 'modern', weeks before Sgt. Pepper was unleashed on the world 😂😂 One of them didn't even rate The Beatles at all, oh the ego 🤦 Experts eh?

[@harryking5869]

It is and it isn't. The great thing about music is that we can all have our opinions about it. Give me the choice and I'd rather listen to Sandie Shaw than the Beatles. As for which of them really summed up the 60s for ordinary people? Probably neither the Beatles nor Sandie.

[@declanclark5316]

Benny Green later bought a Betamax VCR, a Sinclair C5 and a BSB squarial. If he were still around, he'd have lobbed all his money into crypto.

[@stepheng8779]

Did that fella really try to compare his song to Strangers In The Night 😂😂

[@glenrichardson6396]

I always loved it when Benny Green appeared on telly and slagged everything off. He was such a curmudgeon

[@sie4431]

What an absorbing and natural discussion. Today we'd get five minutes and wouldn't get anywhere. I was about to agree with the composer who said that there were still songs that were hits every 3 months that will be remembered in 30 years but when asked for an example he (eventually) cited the awful Winchester Cathedral. As we now know there are many songs from 1967 that have endured not just 30 years but 56 years. Of the songs that were in the British Top 10 in 1967 I counted 24 that I'd say are still known today and of those quite a few I'd say were very good.

[@harryking5869]

Benny Green wanted to know the title of a great song that had been produced in the last 3 months - I suppose this means one that people would be listening to in 30 years' time ... Well, Benny, nearly 60 years later we have this from Jade: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3bGXqKvbpifnJo

[@professormcclaine5738]

All sharing ciggies, big cufflinks and pocket handkerchiefs.

[@thecaveofthedead]

If you're under 35 watching this, witness how someone believed in the actual 1960s - one of the most revered periods for popular music - that no good music was being made anymore. Your generation will similarly fall prey to this foolishness. Watch out for this nonsense and don't fall for it.

[@EmoBearRights]

Also Green is right about Volare but how very dare he poop on Dansieve, No Ho L'eta and Poupee de Circe, Poupee de Son. It just shows that out of touch old farts shitting on Eurovision and pop music is nothing new.

[@theshowmanuk]

All men and all smokers. This feels very BBC of the 60's. Very thought provoking and strange now.

[@ajs41]

I prefer it.

[@MattM-ce3qe]

The glory days!

[@harryking5869]

It's weird that Greene can't appreciate - albeit not like - Sandie Shaw's appeal. Sure, she's not the most technically accomplished vocalist ever, but that's not the point. Often we like performers becuase they are less than perfect. It makes them more relateable. The reason we won in Vienna was not just down to the song but Sandie's ability to sell it to an audience. I think she'd have walked it with Tell the Boys as well. You know, no end of stage school wannabes could've delivered a ptich-perfect rendiction of that song and the audience would've hated it. There has to be a reason why Shaw's appeal endured all these years. I doubt it was the bare feet.

[@johnrowan7137]

I've heard of Benny Green just

[@repboy1]

Rogers hair is amazing

[@repboy1]

But just wiki him and saw he wrote the hammer house of horror tv series theme so props to him

[@Buff_Cupcake]

I can literally smell the tobacco coming out of my screen 😅

[@michaelportaloo1981]

The coughing 60s . Groovy.

[@simmadpaul2880]

Cough. I wrote...cough cough cough... a son cough cough cough.... g .... cough cough cough. 😂 God I can smell that studio from here. Puppet on a string best Euro song ever. Euro today is utter uter cough cough cough

[@heinkle1]

Cheerful bunch

[@ChrisDaykin]

Is a UK Victory a SHAW Thing? I think this just about sums up the way things have changed. Britain was never referred to as the 'UK' in those days and it isn't in this show (part from the title, a title which obviously was written recently). Count the times Britain is mentioned, and not once called the 'UK'. It wasn't until Katey Boyle announced that Britain was going to be called Uk, just to please Europe, who seemed to miscomprehend what Great Britain means. The young people now days don't even think of Britain as Britain.

[@nickpalmer3076]

Lovely Sandie Shaw finally won for UK.

[@tsr207]

Late Night Line Up - remember it well - I had forgotten how pompous and patronising it was though !

[@EmoBearRights]

Nowadays they're contarians and every bit as pretentious and patronising instead.

[@hypercomms2001]

I half expect a Monty Pythom pisstake.... with Marx, Engels, Stalin and Mao

[@oiooi6460]

Typical snobby BBC. All 5 songs were amazing, and each would have won easily, which is lucky as we chose the worst of the five. That said, it went on to be the biggest selling single by a UK female artist ever. So much for that man saying it wouldn't be remembered in 30 years. Sandie Shaw was an incredible vocalist.

[@marine4lyfe85]

Hi

[@virtual30]

I miss the smoke cigar era!!! :)

[@johnrowan7137]

Is this some kind of joke?

[@TheFlyingScotsmanTV]

class, 8 old men in suits, talking about pop music. No Women need apply.

[@petergivenbless900]

It would have been nice to have included Sandie Shaw to speak from an artist's perspective.

[@EmoBearRights]

It's very much like a Python or Harry Enfield skit.

[@johnrowan7137]

I'm still in shock.

[@johnrowan7137]

​@@EmoBearRightsI was expecting John Cheese to come on

[@Mickyway]

They didn't call it UK back then, it was always Britain/British. People and the BBC had much more class.

[@sie4431]

It's creeping Americanism

[@MattM-ce3qe]

I never say the UK either, I always say Britain.

[@MichaelNelson42]

@@MattM-ce3qe But the UK and Britain are different things, why would you want to be purposefully wrong?

[@stephenwright8703]

In an episode of her TV show the following year, Sandie referred to it as ‘an English song’.

[@MichaelNelson42]

@@Mickyway it might seem pedantic if you're not from here but Britain is a geographic term, it only refers to the mainland. The UK includes Northern Ireland. Some people care about accuracy. It's certainly not Americanisation!

[@benkasminbullock]

What a boring discussion.