Jordan Peterson on the 'backlash against masculinity' - BBC News

The Canadian psychologist Jordan B Peterson says there is a "backlash" against masculinity and "a sense there is something toxic about masculinity".
He told Hardtalk's Stephen Sackur: "There are biological differences between men and women that express themselves in temperament and in occupational choice and that any attempt to enforce equality of outcomes is unwarranted and ill advised as a consequence."
Mr Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto and author of 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote for Chaos.
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[@PM-mq3kj]

'so if we are going to discuss my views we should use my words' awesome

[@sorandom2028]

This man is intelligent and ready for cunning questions

[@alveslivramentosilva2673]

Dammmmmmmm!!!

[@AtamMardes]

With dishonest false comments like “There wouldn't be any art & poetry without religion.”, and “Atheists who don't rape/kill are religious without knowing it.”, as well as refusing to admit (when asked by Sam Harris) that the OT has some horrible verses, JP is intentionally being intellectually dishonest in order to maintain his influx of donations from the gullible religious fools. JP admits to Joe Rogan that he's found a way to monetize the SJW ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWWudoZ8dq6Hp8k ). JP knows religion is bs but promotes it anyway to monetize the religious fools.

[@a.nahari380]

That’s a testosterone-filled comeback

[@Belarus2012]

@@sorandom2028 intelligent... This dude is genius, if you stick a rail through his brain, he still will be twice smarter then me.

[@Bmore2Htown]

We must protect this man *AT ALL COSTS* One of the few voices of reason in this confused society.

[@jazzman1626]

I absolutely agree. Society has been deliberately confused.

[@carloskudaki1404]

yes ... WE MUST ...

[@carloskudaki1404]

@jack bran ain't you got some feminism to do ... go color your hair or something ...

[@nikoger8617]

jack bran man have changed himself for good and defeated drugs , for example ... Why is it bad ? Or shameful ? If he really is in rehab , good job for him ! Why are you using this as an insult ?

[@belvinnadar5782]

@@nikoger8617 because he's a moron

[@KojiKazama]

I love that "equality of opportunity" vs "equality of outcome". Excellent point that will really get someone thinking.

[@clarkwatson3217]

Equality of outcome is communism, which is what we are living today

[@02cahillt]

Staggering how many people can't decipher the difference between equality of oppertunity and equality of outcome.

[@nickbrennan3389]

I use football / soccer as an example...basically every kid in the world has the opportunity to kick a ball. Male or female , black , brown , white , poor.... But the outcome financially is totally different...the outcome is a classic pyramid shape...messi and ronaldo on top....next level maybe 10 players ( suarez , hazard , salah , aguero )....next level around 100....right down to thousands of 4th division pub footballers who get paid €50 a game....they all started out with equality of opportunity

[@palmatrh]

You have to be willing to lie to yourself to signal virtue. To be on the left not only requires but demands willful ignorance combined with cognitive dissonance under an umbrella of logical fallacy. Jordan Peterson is a truth teller. BBC presenters are group thinkers terrified of the mob they so desperately seek acceptance from.

[@benmmbk765]

Do they REALLY don't understand the issue OR do THEY pretend not to understand, just to prolong the so-called issue for the purpose of keeping up the propaganda. It will die a NATURAL death.

[@benmmbk765]

@@nickbrennan3389 :No they all want to BE treated (and paid) as Messi, that is the equality THEY are advocating. At least some of the gullible, ignorant, STUPID brainless individuals would fall in the TRAP. Some naturally would assume THIS is the ONLY way to ACHIEVE. Not by competing with everyone.

[@amilitarymind]

Agreed and it's sad that some people now have to "decipher" (meaning here to put extra effort into thinking about and analyzing) the difference between two common sense and simple concepts.

[@chrisdon8827]

"If people are free, they are not equal. If people are equal, they are not free."

[@chrisdon8827]

@@Bardownbobby Paraphrasing Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn from the Gulag Archipelago, the original went “Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.” And he was brilliant! Jordan Peterson recommended him!

[@chrisdon8827]

@Zfast4you ?Well the 2nd 1/2 is, this is a communist victim pointing out the difference between the two systems.

[@doomedpepper8109]

Also, if you have equality of outcome, you can't have equality of opportunity and vice versa

[@raja1687]

All people are uniqueness(free & responsefull) and talented in their own.... that's all..

[@ExistentialWill]

Great example of a thought-terminating cliche, genius. All unequal societies subordinate the lesser off. So it's impossible for unequal societies to be free.

[@gregvarga5064]

I suffered from depression for a long time. Once I started taking accountability for my decisions, focusing on physical health and avoiding vices things changed. Constant self improving gives you value, makes you masculine, you know your worth. Everyone notices. Always treat others with respect, be humble, embrace failure, never stop. God bless

[@georgemichaels9511]

JP: "I don't support men being angry at women achieving equality" BBC: "So you think men's resentment is MORE IMPORTANT than women's equality???"

[@youngrozay3576]

How do people take these journalist moronic egotistical pieces of garbage serious at all?

[@royalewren]

ikr lol

[@astralisranger517]

@@youngrozay3576 It's a hardtalk, not a tee party.

[@ShoshyDeolLonewolf03]

Woke culture in a nutshell

[@Voivode.of.Hirsir]

This entire interview is simply “you say -” “no I don't.” “ok, you have said -” “no I haven't”

[@fasanmichael]

Putting words in his mouth. Terrible journalism

[@michaelsong5555]

You should see when Cathy interviewed JP. That's this interview dialed up to eleven.

[@salesmanager6050]

I've literally never seen an interviewer so intent on debate, that he moves on as soon as Jordan responds to find a new angle of attack. Its so disingenuous its stressful to watch. And it's terrifying that this kind of thinking can exist in large public media

[@BigWelshMike]

That’s the BBC in a nutshell.

[@MarshallLore]

So what you're saying is... So you mean that.... So you would say....According to you......

[@kevinkelleher9323]

Yes, but JP must be breaking some record for volunteering to do it over and over and over for every kind of media in any country and even several interviews per day. What do you expect them to ask - wheat production in Cda., recent pig diseases. crotch injuries in hockey vs baseball???? He is not being forced to do any of those interviews.

[@MarshallLore]

Teddy Tretyakov-badkov I expect them to ask questions not put words in his mouth

[@kevinkelleher9323]

Why? Such dialogue demands a reasoned response & also gives the target an opportunity to clarify his positions - which, is usually the reason he volunteered to any interview. This is discourse.

[@MarshallLore]

so your saying the interviewers questions were not clear

[@davidlittler8512]

A Public Forum for Discussion JP spews word salad so getting him to clarify what he means is essential. Also if you watch other debates he has taken part in he is just as guilty of using the "so what you're saying" response.

[@LysergicCasserole95]

JP killed this interview. Hey BBC, your bias is showing.

[@ImK4Os]

Showcase is designed to challenge the person being interviewed no matter who the person is. If he was left wing they would attack him from the right, if he was right they'd attack him from the left. It's very common in the UK and people in other countries find it fairly hard to understand. The BBC doesn't have a bias, it's legally forbidden. The majority of people criticising the BBC say it actually veers more to the right than anything. This being said, k still don't like the interviewers technique on the question, it's lazy and entrapping and there are tons of other journalists like Andrew Neil that are on the right but still would've given better forumulated questions

[@jaxon19kira]

@@ImK4Os if you think the BBC is right leaning you just lack common sense and analysis skills. It is very left biased... Very....

[@ImK4Os]

@@jaxon19kira I didn't say this segment was right leaning, I was stating the majority of criticism pointed towards the BBC isn't by the right, it's by the left, who view it as a out of touch South England perspective on troubles they're disconnected from. I'm assuming you're not from the UK given you have no idea what you're talking about so I'll make it simple for you. Overall (as an entire company) the BBC is legally banned from having a bias, it physically isn't allowed to cus it's state funded and as soon as state funded media is influenced by the political stance of the current party it's not longer serving the people. You're not allowed to advertise on the BBC hence why they don't NEED a bias because they don't need a target market because it's NON PROFIT. This show is a show which argues the opposite point of the interviewee, it's a model used all the time in the BBC to criticize while not having a direct bias. You get it now? The consequences of the BBC having a bias in the UK would be catastrophic. It would destroy the entire platform and given that it's existed for about 70 years it's safe to say they haven't had any instances of that sort. Why is the concept of a non profit media source so confusing to foreigners Christ

[@ImK4Os]

@Pepper Pots how about you actually read the two paragraphs I sent before and you'd know, it shut the last guy up pretty good and I'm not repeating myself

[@jaz093]

The BBC publicly and openly give women preferential treatment. BBC has on screen quotas for women.

[@ashishsandhu1414]

Damn this is like art. The way the man conducting the interview asks questions in such a sneaky way to where it forces the other guy to process the question/ extremely carefully, then respond quickly while making sure that his view is at all times not being misrepresented but also not come off overly defensive. The amount of practice those things probably take

[@Mark-tq7bf]

The amount of practice to end up like a complete fool

[@thecloudtherapist]

Well spotted. Yes, I like that about JP as well. He dissects someone's sentence, word-by-word, before he answers. All in real-time! One of the greatest defenders of rationality and a very sharp mind. 🙏

[@arcade-eyes3682]

dr Peterson is a former professor he has decades of practice articulating his views in real time to an audience!

[@nickcmakiej]

Jordan: “If were going to discuss my views we should use my actual words.” I love how he never hesitates to correct someone when they twist his words on something he has said in the past.

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

Bro he's an idiot

[@ericbertilsson6794]

Yes, we should all learn to do that🙏

[@user-pw2hb3lt5d]

@@Maddie-yj5xj like your father?

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

@@user-pw2hb3lt5d jokes on you lmao i dont have a dad bc he left before I was born.

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

@Kirby6970 Jordan Peterson is like my least favorite person on earth and the fact that people think he's intelligent is actually sad.

[@Kane-ib5sn]

"...men should stop acting like pathetic weasels...'' - Peterson indirectly criticizing the conduct of his BBC talk show host.

[@ewmegoolies]

0:08 "Why is - insert never said misquote here" 0:45 logic gymnastics leads to this question "then isn't it inevitable"? 0:58 "so you think" question 1:16 "you say" 1:26 "but you say - insert never said misquote here" 2:01 "so you say" JP promptly debunks logic

[@Bmore2Htown]

Yes! his covert disses are *HILARIOUS* 😂🐐

[@anthonypalermo8816]

Yup.

[@gyver471]

Jason Smith the host needs to stop attacking and putting words in Jordan’s mouth.

[@sibonelondlovu2661]

He later apologized for that. He even stated that he wasn't well educated in the MGTOW. He even explains that the story's he heard from men made him change his mind. Specifically about divorce.

[@EyalBor]

"There are biological differences between men and women, that express themselves in temperament and in occupational choice and any attempt to enforce equality of outcome is unwarranted and ill-advised as a consequence." Let that sink in.

[@cameronvinson]

Men and Women are Created not to be Equal but to Compliment each other, because both Genders don't think the same and usually don't act the same. If Men and Women are Equal and are the same then, why are so many People getting Separated or Divorced then.

[@cameronvinson]

People in Western Countries have been Subconsciously Brainwashed to Speak and Think a certain way. Being an Individual isn't Popular anymore all about now being Politically Correct, and Speaking Up against Discrimination, Bigotry, Haterd, Harassment etc. Free Independent thought isn't Relevant anymore, what's Important is stopping Discrimination and Wrongdoings at all Costs it seems. Even at the expense of People turning against each other out of Fear for not wanting to be seen, and being what People that say or do things that aren't Politically Correct or not Socially Acceptable anymore.

[@angelofslaughter2431]

@@cameronvinson the mob's mentality and society judgement have exist since time immemorial.

[@mahmudahbasthomi9482]

@Suhani Tyagi not equal means different, you maybe right superior in one thing but inferior on the others... Nobody can superior at everything not even einstein

[@kateofone]

Yep men and women are equal. Men are above women except in physical strength. That is about it.

[@C-rations2394]

Dr. Peterson is one of the most misquoted persons in the past decade. Interviewers keep saying he said something he didn't. His logic is undeniable on all points, so far. Thank you, Doctor!

[@snowshark117]

Jordan Peterson makes them feel insecure because of how smart educated he is so they attack him.

[@edienandy]

Lol he’s not a doctor and he never says anything worth hearing.

[@CriticalThinkerTV]

@@edienandy fuck off , Get a head from market

[@Angel_Espinal]

@@edienandy A bit late to the party but yes, he is a doctor. As soon as you achieve a Phd level degree you get to be called Dr. Whatever it is, especially in his area as a clinical psychologist.

[@edienandy]

@Athos Aramis I mean, maybe? 🤷 Doesn’t change the fact that Jordan Peterson is an absolute charlatan.

[@calcifur]

I appreciate BBC giving Jordan a fair shake to say his peace, despite trying to put words in his mouth.

[@claudettes9697]

Gentleman Gaming 😂😂😂😂 You're rad

[@kevinkelleher9323]

"Gentleman" The correct word is "piece." Altho he could use some "peace" too.

[@calcifur]

Teddy Tretyakov-badkov really? I just thought that's how the expression went, never actually written it down before. Where does the expression derive?

[@classic3511]

Could have been worse, it could have been a snooty woman trying to put words in his mouth.

[@greeny_119]

Hardtalk is typical for this, they do challenge the guest. He doesn't really interrupt JP and lets him have his say.

[@r3boxx]

This whole interview is one of my favorites. Jordan dismantles the interviewer throughout the interview in a calm and dark manner.

[@WhiteDervish]

Jordan B. Peterson talks based on research and outcomes. Reality happens to be different from the "ideal situation". You cannot just blame someone only because he's talking in light of the reality. Jordan wins.

[@KeatrithAmakiir]

Actually, he claims what he is mentioning is based in research and outcomes, but most of it is him twisting what the science says to fit his view, as opposed to the science actually shaping his view. He cherry-picks just like a creationist or anti-vaxxer.

[@komentierer]

Kaler Putatma He once claimed women would earn less because they work less... but the statistic he quoted was referring to hourly wage. So much on that topic.....

[@VexylObby]

Circular reasoning. I could easily claim something to be "real" therefore I am correct. Why am I correct? Because the things I say are real! So you will have to show that the research you are referring to has substantial support for claims like Jordan's. He typically doesn't even try. He is a poor man's psychologist, and sells "facts" without reason. An appeal to "reality" would work in fields of objectivity, but that isn't a thing. He needs to use reason, not only claim.

[@WhiteDervish]

Brother Ares now what should be the "ideal situation" that's a different conversation.

[@Mike-dx1ul]

Jordan Peterson routinely bends the facts to fit his opinions. He may be a decent psychologist but he's a third-rate thinker.

[@64kdawg]

Best line: Stephen Dimwit Sackur, "Yeah, I'm no expert" Peterson, "Well, I am." Done.

[@J0ECRAWF15H]

...timecode?

[@mish375]

When a master goes up against an amateur.

[@lostwithjack14]

Exactly, match to Jordan

[@NSeiQuantas]

@@HotboxedCoffinhello sir, i've watched the WHOLE video and i still can't find that line, what do i do now?

[@mateuszpapla]

Peterson is an expert on what exactly? Expert on addictions- perhaps, and a good one (since he was an addict himself) But does it make him an expert on evolutionary psychology for example, or a climatologist (he made comments on climate change and has been asked an opinion on pretty much everything)? I guess not. Does the journalist need to be an expert in a filed or he needs to be unbiased? Which is more important?

[@prabhdeep__]

Interviewer: So you have said [Something JP never said] JP: I didn't say that Interviewer: Oh, anyway...

[@vestspet4242]

A man can be masculine without being misogynist. I don't understand what the moderator is trying to say. Why can't women and men be treated equally while acknowledge that women and men, in general terms,think differently.

[@vestspet4242]

But, he may just be asking general questions, but it sounds as if he has already decided how he feels and how Jordan Petersen feels about these issues. Why can't both men be right and wrong about equality of the sexes? I am concerned that everyone keeps bringing up gender break downs when it comes to employment participation when explaining why women and men can't be treated equally. So, what if women dominate areas of healthcare, service related industries and education, while men dominate areas of construction and most trades. Why does where women work matter when it comes to treating women decently? From Peterson, I get the sense that he's not saying it's good or bad. It's just different. I don't see what the big deal is. Men and women are different, generally speaking. But, that doesn't give men the right to treat women like second class citizens, either treating us as if we are property meant to be conquered (and I mean in a general sense, not a literal sense) Or we are expected to be superwomen and supermoms. Men can't seem to decide if we are helpless or we are omni present modern day Mata Haris and Amazonians. Forgive me for stepping up onto my soap box. You may be right that the moderator is asking general questions, but I still can tell he thinks Jordan Peterson is completely batshit wrong.

[@vestspet4242]

Thank you. Now, can you explain it to me? Ha ha ha ha. Just a lame attempt at humor.

[@thisisntallowed9560]

It's more like people can't acknowledge that men and women have a lot in common.

[@hedgefundphil]

Women and men cannot be treated equally because society exploits men and women differently, because women are hypergamous, and if women did everything men did eventually the human race would die out.

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

Hi! I'm a feminist and I 100% agree that men and women think differently. I think what the moderator is trying to say is that when Jordan Peterson is saying there's an attack on masculinity, that he is wrong because the actual attak is of misogyny.

[@PrdndPhnx]

“Equality of outcome [is] dangerous beyond belief.” Very profound statement that individuals should adhere to

[@swagatmaharana3131]

Because it gives power to state and institutions to dictate quotaand the politics around gets more messy

[@esraeloh8681]

And somehow profoundly missed by every major newscaster in Brittain today, but then we did vote For Brexit, not to get political, but then that's kindof hard when people can't even be arsed taking the six seconds it takes to compreend the difference in words between Opportunity & Outcome. What isn't obvious about outcome, opportuinty is being able to take the same things regardless, entirely equally. Outcome is being Forced into the most extreme precise perfect split, & so forcibly exluding people then, IRONICALLY, based literally on their gender. I just don't get how we got so stupid, even thoughy I remember primary school wondering how people were so switched off & just completely complicit with the most obviously dumb things some people said, 1996, anti climate change missinformation. Some old biddy just taking a paycheck to say, "Climtae change, what a load of twaddle" In the most hillarious accent as well in retrospect. Never even heard a word about that in my last 3 years of primary school. Everyone seemed so dullard dumb too me, unaware & unconscious. Anyway here we are 25+ years on & people don't even know 1 word from another..... Totally didn't see this coming when I was 7 years old & was scared of it then & am now simply living through it, Oh, & Russia again...... Yaaaaaaay I was born just before the Soviet Union collapsed so have vivid memories of growing up with the mentality of a nuclear strike by them & just how long we'd have after confirming a launch had happened from conversations my parents had, some I just listened through the walls at cause they didn't want me hearing, but I did. So yeah, yaaaay 33 & Brittain is utterly collapsing & all our newscasters have the IQ of me at maybe 4 years old, yaaaaay

[@Axxxel_in_Harlem]

How come?

[@lokidoki471]

@@Axxxel_in_Harlem just imagine you've just finished high school and you want to learn to become an engineer and it's your life dream to become one. but when you go to look for jobs, every single one says that males are not allowed to apply for it. now that would be pretty unfair wouldn't it? for the government to deny you the opportunity to follow a career path you are passionate in simply because you happen to be born male. that's what equality of outcome means. its discriminating people based on sex. which should stay illegal. this hurts woman too as they aren't allowed to go into the fields that they want to like nursing for example. can you imagine being told you can't be a nurse because you're a woman?. that's why its dangerous.

[@davidcarpenter6960]

Every time Professor Peterson quotes some facts the interviewer doesn't like, he changes the subject

[@MisterVish]

Just like a woman arguing with a man

[@davsavchav]

Equality of opportunity but *not* equality of outcome - well said.

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

Hey! So i just wanted to let you know that that is utter nonsense, because what is the point of Equality of opportunity without equality of outcome. Equality of outcome IS THE GOAL... Lmao

[@albinpdavis]

@@Maddie-yj5xj There will never be equality of outcome because we all are different everyone has different skills and different needs. We can only give equal opportunity and it's upto each individual to produce the outcome.

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

@@albinpdavis Yes but what I am saying is that that fact doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps to equalize it more even if It will never be perfect. There is still value in having equality of Outcome.

[@karlhans4116]

@@Maddie-yj5xj So you believe that We should try to enforce equal outcome? . Like should we include 50% women as engineer?

[@karlhans4116]

@@Maddie-yj5xj equality of outcome is one of The sound good theory.. . No society can ever achieve equal outcome from diverse groups

[@huhhuhhuh4069]

If you're going to interview someone, INTERVIEW him. Don't invite him on for the sole purpose of attacking of him. If you're going to complain about being cut off, don't cut him off repeatedly throughout the interview. If you're going to ask for his opinion, let him express it instead of interrupting and then trying to impose your views.

[@lm-eb1dg]

They gave it a good old college try but he stomped them. Interviewer 'I'm no expert...' Jordan Peterson 'But I am...' Game set match. Next.

[@stover14]

huhhuhhuh Ah, but that doesn't bring in the money now does it? They can't get the same sound bites if they don't ask them questions that box JBP in.

[@richardellis8193]

Sorry but isn't the show called 'Hard Talk'? It is hardly meant to be a fireside chat.

[@stover14]

Ryan Rentfro Lmao

[@therambler3713]

and then they call leftists snowflakes XD

[@yohh-hj1lf]

I love watching jordan peterson. I have never seen someone so consistent and so confident of what himself said or written or expressed. He is such a firm believer in his own capability and never gets emotional in these types of interviews. He reminds me of a rock that endures time and never really changes

[@willygates]

He predicted the Gillette ad

[@dwightschrute3712]

I find it interesting how nearly every interviewer who disagree with Jordan Peterson's views don't actually understand Jordan Peterson's views.

[@skumflum3768]

It’s because they have been told what to believe. To actually investigate is to hard

[@sam78ize]

this guy came at the perfect time in history. God knows how fast the insanity will spread without him. would really like to see more guys like him fighting this battle. the only most of can protect ourselves, is to go our own way.

[@shanepatrick641]

Yep Mgtow

[@designthinkingwithgian]

EQUALITY is not the goal; HARMONY is.....when men and women can live in HARMONY.

[@freshprince69]

Yes, we should live in a society where we are accepted and appreciated in our own differences and to be not forced into equality with anybody.

[@kartiktugnait]

Hit the nail on the head!

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

Fuck you :)

[@litterbyy]

@@freshprince69 there are no differences that arent made out of society. if women were never told that they should act like women and vice versa, then there would be no differences. there "differences" are MADE UP

[@freshprince69]

@@litterbyy I didn't say anything about made up differences, I was advocating for people to accept their true selves and if women wants more opportunities because they feel that they should, Then let them. If LGBT members feel like they should be gay, then let them.

[@copper12heavy69]

How do so many people misquote or misinterpret what the Doc says? I'm a buffoon and even I can get it.

[@MrSpiritchild]

Because they aren't misquoting, the are purposefully trying to make his message seem evil and twisted because it's dangerous to the left, and the right for that matter.

[@jmathieson15]

So what you’re saying is that people who don’t understand him.....are stupid beyond belief

[@michaelsong5555]

@@jmathieson15 No, what he said was that people purposely try to put words in his mouth to screw him up. That reporter has agenda, and he's doing his job. Failed, but attempted.

[@brady1692]

If your watching Jordan Peterson to better your life you sir are far from a buffoon

[@barrysargent1213]

Once you start with this man, it never ends. The amount of sence you here is, well, not normal. There are truly, not to many like this dude. Once you get a grasp on him, he can change your life, he has mine.

[@lightinferno4490]

My ex got my son killed under her lack of supervision. She let my son wander outside at 1 year old. He died in the cold. And the best I could get was 50/50 custody. If that isn't proof women have more rights I don't know what is. This shit kills me inside

[@giovannaroma9527]

I am so sorry that has happened to you, I can't even imagine what how you must feel.I make comments saying that women are more supported by laws and government ,and people are constantly asking if I can prove that or if I have any evidence.. well evidence is all around you. Feminists are two faced snakes have you ever heard them speaking up for the equal rights of divorced men or fathers or falsely accused men? You don't hear them about equal jail sentences either, they only want equality when it benefits themselves. I'm sorry for your loss, wish you all the best..

[@petroskougias7848]

I lost my daughter. Lifes for the living friend. Eat well, go for walks. We live in a zoo. Trust only yourself. Control what you can.

[@anahitak9292]

Men get Custody more often

[@ayayadied3005]

equality of outcome is basically everyone at school gets the same grade. equality of opportunity is everyone at school gets to do the exam and the classes.

[@aloowalia2849]

Yeah

[@swagatmaharana3131]

There is no problem in little quota given to minorites but they should take it as privilege especial if it's woman quota in developed country like Scandinavia .

[@MisterOgre666]

There is a massive gap in equality of opportunity between economic classes (the rich obviously having the advantage)

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

@@FatherNagic “ah yes the real racists/sexists are the ones fighting racism and sexism” 😂

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

If only that applied to the real world

[@itstayayg193]

What genuinely pisses me off.. whenever interviewers say: "SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS"

[@noahcamuso2562]

Equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome. I like this.

[@jesuschristthalordbitch6890]

The Goat 🐐 Destroys Interviewer at the same time as making his point even more valid then it was before .

[@kingwinter2024]

And so are you.

[@darkspeed62]

He didn't 'destroy' the interviewer. He used his firm grasp of the English language, his unmatched (in this scenario) experience of dealing with and helping people, and his scientific knowledge of studies and reading literature to pick apart the interviewer's obvious bias.

[@daronlewis7044]

Equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity! Brilliant, couldn't be more simple!

[@FrankDrive]

Thank you Mr. Peterson

[@64kdawg]

And this is why mainstream media BBC, CNN, NBC is dying.

[@arjanpetersen]

64kdwg fox included

[@EyedCrown]

"So you're saying" is the line that demonstrate you don't have anything valuable to add to a conversation

[@alicemcclock9435]

Respectfully I disagree. The reason one would say this is to clarify a statement.

[@محمدالحربي-ط9ح4ب]

@@alicemcclock9435 they usually play with the words and try to make you sound bad when they hit you with this reply to demonize your point of view... I don’t like it.

[@photo161]

The depth of one's gratitude for the work of this good and great man is simply inexpressible.

[@simmo1024]

It seems almost all BBC interviewers there days concentrate on arguing with the interviewees rather than, as Hard Talk used to do, having a dialogue to explore ideas. My spidy sense, detects a political agenda.

[@VexylObby]

My spidey sense, detects cherry-picking.

[@simmo1024]

Ryan Rentfro LOL, indeed not. It is hardly possible to not be challenged, at every moment, when you are not a crazed far-left ideologue. I don't mind being challenged though. shame, instead, I spend my time responding to unchallenging comments. Maybe you could help, by perhaps watching the interview and listening to what the interviewer is saying, and the tone in which he is saying it, and then comparing to a hard-talk interview, from say 5-10 years ago, and coming up with an interesting 'challenge' based on the point I am actually making?

[@simmo1024]

Ryan Rentfro No, I'm pointing out the bias of the BBC and its shift from 'reporting' to 'activism'. Thought that was obvious. Maybe you should watch more of the BBC. The actual interviewee is irrelevant past whether they agree witht he BBC or not. Since you are obviously a bad actor, I will end the converstation at that.

[@simmo1024]

Ryan Rentfro Just look up the word bias. Jeez.

[@therambler3713]

Ryan Rentfro "king of incels", XD. Did you even read his book/watch his lectures, or are you just quoting his detractors.

[@dannystewart1412]

Everything I've ever heard him say is dead on without exception. He's as real as it gets.

[@kellyminid2922]

As a woman, I am attracted by masculinity. I am repulsed by not being treated equally and being physically groped or attacked. Equality does not diminish masculinity. Men who don't treat women as equals are insecure. Men who grope or attack women physically are the most insecure of all.

[@JJSwann718]

What about wolf whistling, is that ok or can we not do that either.

[@SonoTom]

you are not equal to a man: being treated like men are treated would see you running away. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6GanIOVmclpgrc

[@kellyminid2922]

J.J. Swann I honestly don't know.

[@kellyminid2922]

Sono Tom I didn't say treat women exactly like you treat men. Treating someone equally is more about attitude and respect.

[@RageQuitSco]

kelly minid2 agree, but I'm really not sure why that's what you thought of watching this man talk.

[@mielerodriguez5678]

I agree with Jordan. The BBC sow discord . Men and Woman are not the same.

[@claudettes9697]

Miele Rodriguez I love our vast differences! What women don't know about what were losing in this ridiculous fight. Thanks ladies!

[@VexylObby]

Well no shit, but that doesn't mean his cherry-picked appeal to nature nonsense is how society should be.

[@claudettes9697]

Obby drugs are not the answer

[@VexylObby]

Ad hominem, irrelevant.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

Men and women are different, yet equal. It's just that people mistakenly believe that equal means similar.

[@rebecca6764]

Amen to JP......I have 4 boys and I've seen that first hand. Started at school with teachers treating them as defective girls. Also, everyone has an idea of what success looks like.....regardless of male or female.

[@GeraldSmallbear]

What I like about these interviews is that the ordinary populace can see straight through them. Journalists used to be clever. You had to be a conspiracy nut or a hardcore intellectual to dissect their bias. Now anyone can do it.

[@idkman76]

"Social engineering" is the most narcissistic shit I have ever heard

[@priyanthawijayatunga624]

My basic 5 rules for men (as a man myself) 1. Build your physique, do weight lifting, hard exercise, etc. 2. Be logical, critical, inventive, and problem solvers 3. Love and like women and appreciate them for their female qualities (opposite sex qualities) 4. Be just and helpful 5. Appreciate men who follow above 4 rules

[@Marcel_Audubon]

creepy

[@sm24572]

@@Marcel_Audubon feminist creep

[@abrahamcampos3886]

“If we’re gonna discuss my views we should use my actual words” lolololo badass

[@misshavisham6678]

Saw the entire episode before it got taken down and it's fantastic. JP was amazing. I hope the entire thing gets put back up.

[@00Daddy]

Equality of opportunity not equality of outcomes

[@anthhub]

Jesus when will the BBC stop this, upload the full video to give full context or don't both uploading at all.

[@upness]

The full interview is on KZbin elsewhere, although, in my opinion, it doesn't cover the BBC interviewer, Stephen Sackur, in glory. Maybe the BBC consider this part the best bit. Paraphrasing the full interview at on point the interviewer states, 'so you base your argument on lobsters for the difference between the genders?' I haven't read any Peterson, but as an academic, I suspect there's more to his argument than that. Indeed, he did refer to other research in the interview. The interviewer was simply employing a straw man argument. At that point I would've stood up and walked out, but then persistence is an admirable trait.

[@robertsimpson5136]

Why does BBC have to cut this up with all the editing? I trust Peterson....not BBC.

[@gsullivan20]

Look at all the notes the interviewer has in front of him, and Jordan is just going off just pure memory, that tells so much.

[@chandubandaru6294]

I love how he just destroys people like these everywhere. I need a Jordan Peterson in my country too!

[@tripzville7569]

Jordan Peterson will go down in history as a hero, standing up for truth and commonsense. Compassion and understanding do not rule out justice. If we cannot hold that possibility in our minds, then we are doomed to an endless cycle of people claiming they are victims in order to justify victimising others. [Brad Hirschfield - You don't have to be wrong for me to be right]

[@funkydanieluk]

Its amazing how much time he spends having to correct people misrepresenting him.

[@davidstevens3934]

How do people still not get this? He is not the bad guy trying to oppress women. He's the good guy trying to say equal opportunity for everyone is the best way forward for everyone.

[@alwaysatwork5913]

I am a true Jordan Peterson fan! I think the BBC is what I find in my toilet 🚽 after my second cup of coffee! How is that for truth

[@jmathieson15]

Wexit BC. AB. SK. 🤣Nice!!

[@sagarvankit9385]

What a great argument! This just made my day. Both of them putting their points forward politely instead of just yelling in each other's faces. More people should learn about this

[@ehteshamfarooq3297]

Unbelievable logical answers given to stupid questions, this guy deserves a medal

[@maheshbashyal5122]

Jordan Peterson deserves more recognition for his work. Very intellectual and powerful thoughts.

[@jasonarcand1871]

I love how gives solid arguments its so refreshing to see someone stand up and say no more and say this has gone to far it almost felt case was hopless that we didn't matter

[@mikedelmore1469]

The interviewer is clearly not there to listen to his guest, or to possibly learn anything. He is there to express his own viewpoint only.

[@ibexdnb2879]

Jordan really showed me how responsibility is so important particularly for me as a young male. I found it very easy to make excuses and be a drain on society but Jordan said it how it is. No bullshit. I also have my wonderful girlfriend of now 5 years to thank. Masculine and feminine are symbiotic. One struggles without the other i think. Truly take responsibility for everything in your life. Thank you Jordan and thanks to my partner.

[@RacingSnails64]

Great points my man, and congratulations on having a girl! The male and female temperaments are so symbiotic. One is protective, one is supportive. Neither is better than the other. They benefit each other so much. Even the Christian scriptures profess these views, despite some people claiming religion is sexist. "Submit yourselves to one another. Wives, submit to your husbands. Husbands, cherish your wives. Men ought to love their wives as their own bodies." (Ephesians 5) None of this is to say there aren't exceptions to these generalizations, but they're generalizations for a reason--they're general.

[@DennyPlank]

This is the male interviewer version of “so you’re saying that”

[@Tranxhead]

Peterson's interviewers show we are constantly reminded to read stuff more carefully.

[@drrd4127]

I am a woman every time I have to lift a heavy object and a man asks to help I let him do so! It is crazy to not accept help from someone who is stronger than myself when trying to lift a heavy object, smart people try to make life easier not harder. It's all ego from feminists who refuse to let men help because in their delusional lives they believe "Woman can be just as strong as men", this is unfortunately the narrative of modern society and why men are not appreciated currently for their contribution to society and why men feel useless and suicidal. One thing I have learnt about men over the years is that they still have that warrior, Hunter-gather spirit within them, they need to feel useful, the need to have goals and purpose!

[@annikamoran1211]

I have never in my life seen women refusing help from a man in lifting a heavy object and then regretting it, and I spent a year in construction and do a fair amount of physical labor in my life. Usually men are too eager to rush in and offer to lift something for me, when I can in fact do it myself. I politely decline and move on with no problem because I actually like lifting things and accomplishing something myself. If it is too heavy I will accept the help but I have never seen women fail at lifting anything just because they refused help from a man.

[@kevinmedeiros3535]

the confidence and intelligence is unmatched

[@indigo196799]

This guy is so articulated, cultivated, intelligent and has so much precise memory about studies and scientific facts that he can destroy anyone in an argument. He could also destroy anybody if he was asked to be on the opposite side of the same argument. It makes him an incredible and fascinating person buy definitely not credible to make the truth of a situation come out. Truth comes out with intelligence and facts but never without open mind and humily to reconsider and make the argument evolve and grow which he seems to lack. This guy is a warrior, you dont ask a warrior to have an open mind.

[@zapbutton8553]

you finally gave me a hint as to why i always thought some lines were missing in whatever i read or heard him say...but he has never claimed to have answers or solutions, some scientists are the ones to analyze data and formulate the questions for us as society to open our own minds, take a new perspective and hopefully evolve and ithink he does it masterfully.

[@gcoors4590]

If we are going to discuss my views then we should use my actual words 😂😂👏🏼

[@jasonlee148]

Why does Jordan bother doing these interviews anymore. Every time i watch one of these is like watching a University professor trying to explain the math behind the Super String Theory to a third grader who thinks all there is to math is 1+1=2.

[@kaushikkumarbora]

I didn't understand a single word, but I feel like the guy being interviewed is obliterating the questions

[@valkryii]

God Bless Jordan Peterson, he is a breathe of fresh air in the pollution of the insanity permeating throughout our society.

[@Gopnik32]

This man is the definition of wisdom

[@anhangamirim]

No, he's not. You only like him cause of confirmation bias.

[@Punkpsychobilly]

The reason a lot of men might seem resentful is because we’re all having toxic feminism shoved down our throats. Equality is not gained by forcing people in/out of their positions. Men and women are simply not equal, you can’t argue against that. I don’t agree with being resentful either, but when injustices are being served, I think it’s a valid response.

[@jpot9803]

Poor phrasing but I think I get what you meant

[@bilboblaggins7659]

God bless Jordan Peterston.

[@eltamihelmahdi]

“If you are going to discuss my views you should use my actual words.” what a phrase spot on,

[@anurag8768]

The only voice who acknowledges us as humans 🥺. God bless him ❤️

[@connorfuhrmann1462]

Amazing how many times this interviewer mistook what Peterson was saying and tried to trap him with false premises. Unbelievable! They should fire that guy!

[@tysonmichael2816]

If the BBC did that, they will cease to exist.Because their journalists suck.

[@connorfuhrmann1462]

@@tysonmichael2816 Fine by me.

[@nu6790]

*JB Peterson has the balls to say these things that no one is willing to say*

[@itsalgud1459]

It’s good to hear an authority figure say the same things that I have been saying for years. He’s absolutely right that there needs to be equality of opportunity but to pretend that women and men are the same is absolutely ridiculous. We are different in so many ways. The idea that one is better than the other is what leads to the trouble, regardless of which one is chosen. There is a great deal of hostility toward masculinity. I believe the significant part of it is because the feminist movement has refused to decry the man haters in their movement, thus passively encouraging the idea that women are inherently superior to men. Another major factor in the rise of the concept of feminine superiority is that many men, support this absurd idea in order to curry women’s favor. Robert Bly called these men “double agents”.

[@shanepatrick641]

I agree with what you said 💯 This insanity and attack on masculinity has to stop

[@manlor13]

What a pleasure is to listen to an inteligent and reasoning person. Way to go Dr!

[@taariqshafie5289]

I don't know what's so hard to understand that men and women are biologically different which affects there temperament in certain situations. Jordan Peterson has done extensive research on this subject and the people that try to debunk his findings completely embarrass themselves.

[@drosein4020]

I love the fact that he’s says what he speaks. That level of bravery can’t be matched!

[@Maddie-yj5xj]

lmao what about people who go to war?

[@sm24572]

@@Maddie-yj5xj They can kill. In civil society they crucify men without weapons, for speaking equal rights for men.

[@ya00007]

He's the cleverest person alive. He actually references scenarios where women are given the same rights as men but the real outcome is different to what everyone expected.

[@Oldlard]

@J E You misread the first post badly.

[@corberus3119]

on this yes, not so much on religion. iirc he claimed that someone of another religion whos lifestyle happened to conform to christian values, isn't that other religion they're actually a christian. (despite the fact that they don't believe in nor worship jesus)

[@chef1007]

True definition of an interviewer just waiting to talk and not listening

[@anondoggo]

Interesting. I have much to learn from Dr. Peterson about how he handles his language.

[@halofreak1990]

@V M Care to provide evidence? Or are you just going to throw out a baseless claim?

[@masterdevoe2519]

@@halofreak1990 go read the new Marvel comic, they targeted him by making Red skull say JP's exact words.

[@thelambsauce2017]

"I believe in equality of oppertunity not equality of outcomes" That's such a beautiful and meaningful word. Everyone can have the oppertunity to contribute to something but not everyone will get same reward from it. It will completely depend on how much you contribute to the cause but feminism always wants to deny that and wants the same end result and same reward regardless of the contribution. That's why he said it harmful to society.

[@cashsurvey3184]

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[@user-gq6dg7ee6d]

Where's the full interview?

[@wallybrolly3393]

Blessed are the meek. I'm glad they're getting something, they've had a hell of a time.

[@ABC-yt1nq]

Speak up!

[@michaelangaloe]

Can tell he's the smartest person in most rooms

[@2px_]

what is this whole interview and where do i find it?

[@leapsplashafrog]

There isn’t equality just go to a family court and see for yourself. Women are given shared responsibility automatically whereas men have to apply for it !!! Then look at who’s doing the work around here - pop down to the park at 2.30 pm. Then look at the settlements given to women if he lets her live in his house and they have a child

[@TheEnigma-cc6ib]

Do men carry a person for 9 months and push it our of their dickholes in extreme pain for 9 hours? Who is more likely to abandon family and children, men. There's your answer

[@bharatramrakhiani3563]

@@TheEnigma-cc6ib BUT IF WOMEN WANT TO RAISE THE CHILD ALONE, WHY TAKE THE MENS MONEY?

[@terryjones2467]

Jordan isn't looking too good I hope he's ok. Good health to you Mr. Peterson we need you sir!

[@CrayCow]

Males and females are like apples and oranges. Feminism is trying to make apples be like oranges and vice versa. No... just stop.

[@TheEnigma-cc6ib]

Feminism is about making sure women receive equal right and opportunities as men. The rest is your own biased opinoun. The internet and tv is full of toxic feminists and toxic mgtow but the real ones aren't as invested in that. Why is it that the toxic ones are used to represent all of us? There is nothing wrong with being a feminist, straight up

[@CrayCow]

@@TheEnigma-cc6ib biased? My comment was as objective as it comes. My point is rather each gender has their own societal challenges and benefits and that to simply "equalise" them is an overly simplified solution to a complicated issue. I work in healthcare where females managers outnumber male managers many times over, if I'm a male version of a feminist I'd say we need equal male representation.

[@harshdeepdwivedi9731]

Masculinity is not toxic Lack of masculinity is

[@wft15]

Neither is!