What Is A "TRUE" Swordsman? (Mihawk vs Big Mom) | One Piece Discussion

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@shamlove788
@shamlove788 4 жыл бұрын
Here's my argument : if I can Google a recipe to bake a cake and it turns out to be good, I wouldn't be a baker I'd just be good at baking cakes. HOWEVER if I went to school and studied in the art of baking cakes I would classify myself a baker. It boils down to dedication to the actual craft.
@beangus3092
@beangus3092 4 жыл бұрын
shameir nembhard damn that’s literally the best way to put it
@elijah7648
@elijah7648 4 жыл бұрын
Fr this is what I been saying every mihawk vs shanks debate
@avataraarow
@avataraarow 4 жыл бұрын
Dang this is a perfect analogy for this, totally agree
@hardyboyz923
@hardyboyz923 4 жыл бұрын
so you're saying that you need a diploma to be a bake ? thing is , some people do become bakers without any qualifications. yes theyre rare but it does happen. Dedication comes in many ways. you could spend much more time studying bakery without going to school and end up better than someone who went to school. I think i prefer the comparison with a programmer. you can go to school to learn programming and you could end up being a really good programmer. However some people are self taught and are geniuses
@MikeSC6
@MikeSC6 4 жыл бұрын
Amine ZAHID I think you’re focusing on the school portion of his point to much. But it does boil down to honing ones skill.
@BryanLopez-jp1gz
@BryanLopez-jp1gz 4 жыл бұрын
This is the biggest joke ever. We all know Luffy is the World’s Greatest Swordsman!!
@jayku1624
@jayku1624 4 жыл бұрын
Bryan Lopez YES
@professional_bomber3185
@professional_bomber3185 4 жыл бұрын
he kinda used a sword in wano so you are right
@AJJr-hc5lz
@AJJr-hc5lz 4 жыл бұрын
Bryan Lopez hold up bruh, lemme stop you right there. Have you never heard of Moon Isaac Jr?
@doffy5604
@doffy5604 4 жыл бұрын
@@AJJr-hc5lz ahhh yes the only guy who defeated weak mihawk
@rivas201113
@rivas201113 4 жыл бұрын
😭
@elfenliedlucy1281
@elfenliedlucy1281 4 жыл бұрын
Mihawk is no joke, his title was earned, not given to him through sheer luck.
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
ElfenLiedLucy no doubt about it
@Smd249
@Smd249 4 жыл бұрын
Who has mihawk beaten to deserve that title? It was forfeited to him when shanks lost his arm..
@Smd249
@Smd249 4 жыл бұрын
Qarcon That doesn’t mean anything? LOL how is shanks becoming popular relevant to my question.. nice try buddy
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
Qarcon LOl they ignore that
@Ominousbetter
@Ominousbetter 4 жыл бұрын
ognuts umm shanks was a nobody and after he starting dueling with Mihawk he became a somebody one could argue shanks wouldn’t even be a yanko if it was for mihawk
@georgeserrano1139
@georgeserrano1139 4 жыл бұрын
A true swordsman is significantly weaker without a sword
@johnpalcon7570
@johnpalcon7570 4 жыл бұрын
*blade
@doffy6543
@doffy6543 4 жыл бұрын
doesnt make sense. A sword is a weapon that depends on physical strength , its not like a gun
@asmmahfuz8569
@asmmahfuz8569 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, about that. Sanji once told that to zoro and zoro fought sanji without his swords.
@morphingninja
@morphingninja 4 жыл бұрын
I know it was one of the movies but Zoro had a No-Swords Style with armament.
@asmmahfuz8569
@asmmahfuz8569 4 жыл бұрын
@@morphingninja It was in film Gold and also in recent wano episode.
@R7dman
@R7dman 4 жыл бұрын
A true swordsman is someone whose main fighting style revolves around using a sword. It is that simple. Whether or not you believe Big Mom’s fighting style revolves around her swordsmanship or her brute strength is entirely up to you.
@freakingcena2679
@freakingcena2679 4 жыл бұрын
Its pretty interesting how the yonko use a weapon for his additional strength.
@manuelsalazar1204
@manuelsalazar1204 4 жыл бұрын
Aofiji i wouldn’t say it’s that simple. Roger was shown to instinctively pari whitebeards attack with his sword, yet I’d argue very few people would call him a swordsman. And what about shanks? Sure his primary form of attack is the sword but if he’s a straight up “swordsman” and Mihawk is “the worlds greatest swordsman” then people start up the whole “Mihawk is stronger then shanks” argument that imo is blatantly wrong. I’d argue that you make a good point with defining a swordsmen as someone whose main fighting style revolves around the use of a sword, but add the notions of them following the swordsman code and that their swordsmanship is not simply a conduit for their Haki or Df (I.e.. white beard gura gura, Shanks Conquerors Haki, Laws Df, Etc)
@waluigi3515
@waluigi3515 4 жыл бұрын
Aofiji that's... not right. In one piece, there is definitely a difference between a true swordsman and someone who just uses a sword. Take the Zoto vs Cabiji fight. Cabiji claims to be a swordsman, but uses circus tricks and shit to fight, barely even using his sword. He's not afraid to be dishonorable in a fight, he doesn't live by the sword. And then there's Zoro, who in the fight not only has to prove that he is a real swordsman, but also what a swordsman is. There is definitely a difference, which is why I don't consider people like Oden true swordsman. Oden may be strong, but he is a "man of his own" I'd say. He doesn't live by the sword.
@R7dman
@R7dman 4 жыл бұрын
Manuel Salazar, Shanks and Roger are both swordsmen in my opinion. There is nothing to suggest that they aren’t at their best with the sword, and there is everything to suggest they are their best with the sword. When Shanks challenged the entire Navy in Marineford he pulled out his blade. When Roger clashed with Whitebeard, he pulled out his blade. When Roger attacked Oden, he used a named attack with his blade.
@FanksCast
@FanksCast 4 жыл бұрын
Big mom destroyed a village of giants at the age of 5. I think its safe to say her sword is a conduit for her immense strength and I will continue to believe till oda proves it otherwise.
@NaturalHypertrophy
@NaturalHypertrophy 4 жыл бұрын
Imo you *need* to be holding a sword to be considered a swordsman. This is why Mr. 1 aka Daz Bones refused to call himself that, not just the fact that he was an assassin. The same logic would apply to Inazuma. I also think characters who just *happen* to be using a sword to increase their fighting versatility like the Admirals or Big Mom are not *real* swordsman; I like to distinguish them from people like Zoro and Mihawk.
@whiskeyhound
@whiskeyhound 4 жыл бұрын
Easy way to distinguish Big Mom and the admirals from Zoro and Mihawk, Big Mom and Admirals are just as likely to punch or use their DF abilities as they are to swing a sword, while Zoro and Mihawk aren't ever gonna use a different way to fight if they've got their swords.
@kennythelenny6819
@kennythelenny6819 4 жыл бұрын
@@whiskeyhound I don't know man why shouldn't Zoro or Mihawk be actually competent in melee combat for example when they don't have their swords with them. Zoro actually fights Sanji in the foxy arc. His swords are taken and then he's making fun of sanji then get into their usual fighting Zoro fights with fists and his legs.
@whiskeyhound
@whiskeyhound 4 жыл бұрын
@@kennythelenny6819 Sure, Zoro should be competent, but my point is that given the choice, Zoro and Mihawk will always go for a sword, Big Mom and the admirals don't particularly care what they use so long as the enemy is beaten.
@highlywired2675
@highlywired2675 4 жыл бұрын
Nah they need to call themselves swordsman. Hook line and sinker
@kaidoloveboat1591
@kaidoloveboat1591 4 жыл бұрын
How much you bench bro?
@jakemichigan9389
@jakemichigan9389 4 жыл бұрын
Oda's a genius.. of course he would create a swordsman paradox that only he could solve
@judgeyou636
@judgeyou636 4 жыл бұрын
jake michigan facts I been thinking about the people who use swords and who’s considered the best
@doffy6543
@doffy6543 4 жыл бұрын
not really this fandom just likes to overthink everything
@ewilliams685
@ewilliams685 4 жыл бұрын
@@doffy6543 your comment is 100000% spot on lol
@elyas4637
@elyas4637 3 жыл бұрын
There's no paradox in Oda. Only the people make their shit up (Yonko level, YC level etc..) and will get angry if Oda break their expectation or power levels.
@trickshotzz5401
@trickshotzz5401 4 жыл бұрын
6:30 "Fujitora defeats Mihawk with a meteor" *Hah Laughs in Stampede*
@kernalbert4939
@kernalbert4939 4 жыл бұрын
When Oda made Mihawk, Fujitora was not even a thought. Why hold on to a statement made over twenty years ago? Which "in world authority" upheld the belief that Mihawk was the greatest swordsman? Was that before or after the Navy did a world search and "discovered" a blind swordsman with the ability to levitate a city's weight of debris?
@jamesonedwardsii4943
@jamesonedwardsii4943 4 жыл бұрын
Kern Albert to say Fuji wasn’t a thought is disrespectful.... Oda has said that he’s thought the entire thing out since the beginning.
@kernalbert4939
@kernalbert4939 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 That's Bull, dude...There is zero way Oda had an idea of Haki early on or that the series would last twenty years or that Fuji was thought of when Mihawk first appeared.
@domexe2863
@domexe2863 4 жыл бұрын
Kern Albert Shanks used conquerors haki in episode 1.
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
JJ Edwards lol also his vivre care clearly states MIhawk is the strongest in name and actuality
@RandomBazooka
@RandomBazooka 4 жыл бұрын
Greatest swordsman vs The Greatest man with sword.
@nickjohnson02
@nickjohnson02 3 жыл бұрын
you meant mihawk vs whitebeard 😂?
@Random-yg9ef
@Random-yg9ef 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone that uses a sword and is with that sword at his strongest is a swordsman. There is no need to have 2 distinctions between a “true swordsman“ and a regular one. Big Mom is a physical monster and yet she used a sword against the strawhats and even Kaido,someone who is on her level. Shanks clashed with Whitebeard and Akainu with his sword and we always see him with a sword. The most comfortable way to fight for someone like Shanks and Big Mom is swordsmanship,sure they might have other powers but how much better is it compared to the sword? Fact is Mihawk will never get the respect he deserves as a title holder similar to Whitebeard or Kaido since this community loves Yonkos and can’t stand someone to be on that level.
@mei-orayleigh5143
@mei-orayleigh5143 4 жыл бұрын
Big mom can use her fist to fight and combine prometheus and napoleon so is it not unfair for other swordsfighter?
@waluigi3515
@waluigi3515 4 жыл бұрын
Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, the most skilled of those who live by the sword. Shanks and Big mom are not swordsman because they use swords, you have to live by the sword to be considered a swordsman. I will repeat, just because Shanks and Big mom use swords does not mean they are swordsman, Mihawk isn't stronger then everyone who uses a sword.
@Random-yg9ef
@Random-yg9ef 4 жыл бұрын
olli miranowich Big Mom combining her devil fruit with her sword is not unfair since Oda himself considers Fujitora as a swordsman despite having a devil fruit. Her strongest form is Prometheus in her hair and Napoleon in her hand.
@Random-yg9ef
@Random-yg9ef 4 жыл бұрын
Wario Until you find me a panel that says Shanks has something else other than a sword to use in a fight,Haki doesn’t count since it’s apart of swordsmanship since that was the first thing Mihawk taught to Zoro then i will change my opinion. I doubt Oda is gonna build up 20+ years Mihawk as Zoros final challenge only for him to say“I was lying.Shanks can beat him with sword.“ He won’t do that.He will leave it up for our own interpretations.There is a reason why he made one a Yonko with a sword and one a swordsman with the title and both have a deeper connection.
@vancover7824
@vancover7824 4 жыл бұрын
Shanks has used a sword since he was a kid . Just like his captain and vice captain. Don’t be out here saying they use guns and shit when they only use swords on panel. Sound like a sore loser
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
Rayleigh didn’t even train Luffy with sword,he was elite without.
@dylaninfinity9756
@dylaninfinity9756 4 жыл бұрын
Fire Angel Chris Technically, we didn’t get to see any named sword attacks, so it’s hard to say for sure. But, in the same way Ace was somewhat decent without his fruit it’s not like swordsmen can’t do well without their sword. Especially if they have presumably (possibly) all advanced haki like Rayleigh. However, it was most likely the way Rayleigh talked about his sword that made Brago feel that way. Though, I feel like that could be an interesting video idea. How much weaker does a character get when you take away their swords?
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
Dylan Infinity See that’s the thing although I think Rayleigh is a swordsman when you get to a certain level of mastery I still think you elite without it. Reason being how nasty you are with haki. Hence why Rayleigh was still powerful without it
@davidortiz3094
@davidortiz3094 4 жыл бұрын
@@FireAngelChris Rayleigh was a swordsman but like Roger they were brawlers with some serious Haki abilities.
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
David Ortiz I don’t get that vibe from Rayleigh at all. To me is a swordsman with fighting capabilities. They have always existed. I think people believe someone main fighting style can be only be swordsmanship with nothing else. The anime and manga Reruoni Kenshin plenty of people lived by the sword and was martial artist. I think you can be both.
@dylaninfinity9756
@dylaninfinity9756 4 жыл бұрын
​@@FireAngelChris Nah, this is just one of the worst topics from a discussion standpoint. Obviously everyone understands there is a difference between Zoro/Mihawk vs. someone like Shanks in terms of dedication to the blade. However, from a fighting standpoint it's easy to just say Rayleigh, Roger, or Shanks are swordsmen. It'd probably be *much* easier to make that statement if that didn't imply Mihawk > Shanks. Which I'm definitely not getting into because that's not the point of this comment. So, now we have people who define a "swordsman," to only be those who have dedicated their life to the blade. And we have another group who are looking at it from a more practical standpoint where a "swordsman" is someone whose primary fighting style revolves around a sword. And when shit gets serious they pull out a sword, because that is likely when they are strongest. Here a character could have multiple fighting styles, but they are strongest with the sword. Then there is also the faction I suppose that think Roger and Shanks (though to a lesser degree) can get the most from their strength and abilities just brawling with haki. Where they are just a jack of all trades, but not fighting style is better than the other. I personally think people like Cracker and Big Mom shouldn't be considered "swordsman". BM is clearly using Prometheus to propagate her brute strength at a longer distance. So far the same seems to hold for Kaidou's club. Obviously they both have amazing haki, but the weapons the are using doesn't really matter. They hold no personal meaning. Cracker is somewhat of a middle ground, while he does hold "some" reverence for his blade pretzel, his primary fighting style revolves around his biscuit soldiers. This is emphasized by the fact most people think Cracker is the biscuit soldier himself. So, he's a swordsman, but he mostly doesn't actually fight with a sword. Then there are people like Shanks, Roger, and Rayleigh. All of which seem to pull out a sword when shit gets absolutely serious. Some examples: Roger vs. Xebec, Roger vs. Shiki (Edd War), Roger vs. WB, Shanks vs. WB, Shanks pulling out Gryphon when he challenged the WG at Marineford, Shanks vs. Akainu, Rayleigh vs. Kizaru. On top of that these blades are treated like partners. We can see first hand the shift in Rayleigh when he actually wields a sword again for the first time. He says it's like nostalgic or something to that effect [can't remember the exact quote off the top of my head]. Shanks named his "Gryphon". Since we don't actually know much about Shanks, most of Shanks' relationship with Gryphon comes from the Vibre Cards and other supplemental material. For Roger's case we have to assume. There is a large disconnect because everyone assumed he was a primarily brawler and/or had a fruit. Personally, I never thought he had a fruit because Roger's crew has the same outlook on DFs as Shanks' crew. [They take away your ability to swim]. However, for Roger we do have a named attack and his few appearances of him preparing to fight or in a fight with a sword. Obviously, all 3 of these people should be capable of fighting at a high level without a sword [Shanks, Rayleigh, and Roger]. Then we move on to the most strict form of a swordsman like Mihawk. I don't think Mihawk would ever not fight with his sword. However, he also has OD armament haki for sure. I'd assume he also has good observation haki because every other top tier tends to have good enough observation to compete with others. I'm sure however, if Mihak was forced against his will to fight without a sword he'd still be a top-tier. Given that breath of all things as Hyogoro explained is initially a hand-to-hand technique that can be applied to the sword. So, if anything Mihawk without a sword in my mind would be a stronger version of pre-DF Sabo. Tl;dr Most any top-tier swordsman would be able to fight without a sword and still be able to put in a lot of work. For me when the sword is nothing more than a conduit for your brute strength (BM and Kaidou), or your primary fighting style revolves more around other things (Law and Cracker) that is when it gets hard to call someone a swordsman. But, if you get every time you get serious you pull out a sword and your primary fighting style revolves around that...
@keenangant982
@keenangant982 4 жыл бұрын
If we look at how Zoro challenged Mihawk in the beginning, he asked for a duel of swordsmanship, implying that only the blade can be used. If we take that as a basis then it should be assumed that you only get the titled by asking for it to be put on the line in a duel.
@dustanime3875
@dustanime3875 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think that mihawk would want to keep the title if someone beat him but they didn't ask for a duel or the title to be put on the line
@matthewcheng4158
@matthewcheng4158 4 жыл бұрын
Remember luffy is yonko now but he got that title from big bird publicizing it to the world. So with this in mind. I think the same would be said about the greatest swordsman just like sport news.
@keenangant982
@keenangant982 4 жыл бұрын
Those are good points, and I can see that happening, it's just that I don't see a scenario outside of say marineford where he accepts a challenging fight for his title.
@blindphilosopher
@blindphilosopher 4 жыл бұрын
That's a part of Mihawk's duelist side. He can fight anyone if he wants. He fought Luffy and Luffy is not a swordsman. He fought Jinbei and pushed him back easily (I know that's filler, but still, it doesn't really matter).
@S113Productions
@S113Productions Жыл бұрын
Well, when Mihawk karate chopped Zoro on the neck, Zoro didn’t call him out on that. So I think it’s clear the duel doesn’t have to be about blades. Zoro even considered his fight with King a duel despite telling King he’d bite his throat out if he has to in order to win.
@gusfetticin957
@gusfetticin957 4 жыл бұрын
If the person is a significantly lesser version of themselves without their sword, they are a swordsman. Big Mom loses the sword and it doesn't really effect her power output at all. For Zoro, it would/does
@ewilliams685
@ewilliams685 4 жыл бұрын
Great way to put it!!!
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
Yep yep
@gosien777
@gosien777 4 жыл бұрын
So, here's my thoughts. A fight is a fight win or lose. If Mihalk loses to big mom, after dealing with her whole crew, makes him a lesser pirate. However, I believe the title of World's Greatest Swordsman must almost be a sanctioned match, when the two decide upon a duel using only swords. Their is a sacredness to a "true" Swordsman's duel.
@dustanime3875
@dustanime3875 4 жыл бұрын
Well if it is only swords does that mean no haki
@eramurez8548
@eramurez8548 4 жыл бұрын
@@dustanime3875 I think that goes hand in hand it's a manifestation of ur will. It's like font use willpower in duel between swordsman. Devil fruits make it questionable but everyone can use haki. So I think that's ur own fault for not knowing haki and then challenging someone Mihawk
@handgun559
@handgun559 4 жыл бұрын
I do think there is a little bit of room for error still, because one on one BM would basically be using her sword like a club and Brut forcing it. But yea that wouldn't earn her shit for titles. Gotta be finessssssse.
@xXkickyobuttXx
@xXkickyobuttXx 4 жыл бұрын
gosien777 You’re right I also think that calling someone like Big Mom a swordsmen is like calling Blackbeard a marksmen, he uses pistols and has 3 of them, is he a marksmen? No. Does Kizaru count as a marksmen since he shoots beams? No. You need to consider YOURSELF a Swordsmen or Marksmen for you to count as either. Not every dickhead with a fucking cutlass at sea count as a swordsmen, so why count Big Mom or Roger as swordsmen when neither claimed to be so. If the person uses more force in other forms of battle they don’t count as a swordsmen.
@tercial
@tercial 4 жыл бұрын
So a match like Ryuma vs Zoro
@TheBobby2legs
@TheBobby2legs 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a hard topic to discuss without being labelled as a unreasonable Zoro fanboy.
@crazercrazer
@crazercrazer 4 жыл бұрын
You care what people label you?
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
Why? Lmao
@TheBobby2legs
@TheBobby2legs 4 жыл бұрын
HopefulElect more that it’s hard to discuss with people who refuse to listen to your reasons because you’re a zoro fanboy
@zagessj
@zagessj 4 жыл бұрын
Cabaji is stated to a be a swordsman and considering the way he fought, there's no reason to say others like Big Mom or Roger who primarily use a sword can't be "True swordsmen"
@Slade1984
@Slade1984 4 жыл бұрын
I think Shanks doesn’t have the title since he uses guns too.
@zohrabeslem9058
@zohrabeslem9058 4 жыл бұрын
When did he use a gun
@Slade1984
@Slade1984 4 жыл бұрын
Zohra Beslem it’s from the game, but it said that Oda tells the developer what moves they can give characters. It’s got a decent shot of being true.
@draculemihawk9403
@draculemihawk9403 4 жыл бұрын
Godhawk over Big Meme and the Snitch
@ardinovita3957
@ardinovita3957 4 жыл бұрын
@@vinsmokesanji9251 wut? wait a minute. Do you think raid suit Sanji capable destroy frozen tsunami size 3 times Marineford with one single attack? :O
@prime7042
@prime7042 4 жыл бұрын
Dracule Mihawk fodderhawk who couldn’t get past weak commander meanwhile big mom low diffed stronger commanders while unable to use haki Big mom>>>>Mihawk
@prime7042
@prime7042 4 жыл бұрын
ardi novita doflamingo could have done the same with a swing of his arm with his strings lol
@brandongonzalez7672
@brandongonzalez7672 4 жыл бұрын
Think about it like this, All chefs are cooks but not all cooks are chefs
@jamesonedwardsii4943
@jamesonedwardsii4943 4 жыл бұрын
Brandon Gonzalez so all swordsmen are swordsmen but not all swordsmen are swordsmen! Got you I get it now! 🤣🤣🤣
@rellrylio5567
@rellrylio5567 4 жыл бұрын
JJ Edwards All swordsmen are fighters, but not all fighters are swordsmen 🤔
@brandongonzalez7672
@brandongonzalez7672 4 жыл бұрын
@@rellrylio5567 kinda, like how big mom is good with a sword but she isn't as skilled with the blade as mihawk simply because she doesn't have 2 be since she has other abilities 2 fall back on
@leonesenpai
@leonesenpai 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's more or less based on your definition of what a swordsmen is. It's like saying that me picking up a gun makes me a marksmen vs someone who uses a gun exclusively and has always used it and so on. So its opinion based imo.
@lightning5784
@lightning5784 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t necessarily believe that just because one has a devil fruit, it necessarily excludes them from having a sword. A swordsman in my eyes is someone who genuinely idolizes swordsmanship, and considers the blade apart of themselves, DF or not. Zoro, Mihawk, Fujitora, Tashigi, Shiryu, Rayleigh, Momonga, etc. are all true swordsman. It also has to do with titles and perception. These people that I said above are known through their blades, and considered by people worldwide as true swordsman, were as Big Mom and Roger, although sword users, aren’t called or titled as such, since people don’t perceive them as such, nor do they advertise themselves as such.
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
Lightning らきり Daz bones was one too and he had a devil fruit
@Lerossignol94
@Lerossignol94 4 жыл бұрын
A swordman is anyone who prefers swords as their main source for dealing damage. They define swords as “A long-bladed weapon having a handle and sometimes a hilt and designed to stab, hew, or slice.” A sword is not a blade but a bladed weapon can be a sword. The battle between two swordsmen should be decided by the swords. Think about Zoro vs Mihawk. Zoro did not want to be slashed in the back, bringing shame onto him. A swordman would be someone with pride and a sense of honor. To them, their weapon has a soul that needs to be tamed and attuned to the user. If anything else, including meteors etc ends the fight, it was a fight between fighters, but not a swordsman’s fight.
@iconic6033
@iconic6033 4 жыл бұрын
A sword is the basic weapon of pirates. Even when you look in pirate movies they all have swords. So I think in the one piece universe those who uses swords can be considered as swordsmen but they don't fall in the category Oda want to create when he talks about swordsmen. Here it is about those who follow the path of the blade and dedicate their entire life to it, making it their main way of living and fighting like zoro and Mihawk. Big mom is not in this group.
@kennythelenny6819
@kennythelenny6819 4 жыл бұрын
Okay so doesn't that means one who's true to the blade and dabbed strongest in the world is better than just those pirates who use swords like shanks, big mom, roger?
@iconic6033
@iconic6033 4 жыл бұрын
@@kennythelenny6819 it depends because those who don't only swear by their blades uses other way of fighting. So it difficult to say.
@kennythelenny6819
@kennythelenny6819 4 жыл бұрын
@@iconic6033 Okay the only other way is fighting melee, haki and devil fruit powers.
@stib6782
@stib6782 4 жыл бұрын
@@kennythelenny6819 Yes. Better in terms of pure swordsmanship.
@R7dman
@R7dman 4 жыл бұрын
Loving the work rate Brago. Keep grinding fam. 100k is inches away🥴
@821Drifter128
@821Drifter128 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm some very interesting food for thought here. I don't think everything needs an immediate answer all the time, I like how you left the video open ended for discussion :).
@tycelh95
@tycelh95 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like swordsmanship is just a fighting style and I think there’s a difference between strongest swordsman and strongest pirate/man/woman. Strongest swordsman-best at fighting with a sword Strongest man/woman-best at fighting period This way Mihawk can lose to Big Mom and still be the strongest swordsman but not the strongest fighter.
@MrDragonkarp
@MrDragonkarp 4 жыл бұрын
Fax people forget swordsmanship is just 1 part of fighting styles in Op. Looking at WSS we can say Jinbe is the World Strongest Fishman Karate User but he can still lose to people like Akainu or Kaido.
@blindphilosopher
@blindphilosopher 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, but we have to consider everything... we can't say Mihawk loses to Big Mom because of her title and his title, we have to include everything to get a solid conclusion.
@MrDragonkarp
@MrDragonkarp 4 жыл бұрын
@@blindphilosopher tru I wouldn't say 1v1 Mihawk loses to any yonko or admiral but his title still stands even if he would
@blindphilosopher
@blindphilosopher 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrDragonkarp Exactly!
@Xgeneralll
@Xgeneralll 4 жыл бұрын
Mihawk ain't loosing to big mom lol. He claps her anyday. Mihawk and shanks are end game people. Big mom and kaido are going down this or next arc.
@Jonnycrs
@Jonnycrs 4 жыл бұрын
I think the way to define a true Swordsmen is, *"If your peek strength or ultimate attack can be achieved without a sword, you're not a true Swordsmen"* Example: *1* - Even if Kizaru used a sword regularly, he still wouldn't be a True Swordsman, because his absolute peek is not limited by a sword. His most devastating attacks, his speed, his possible awakening, all can be done without a sword in his hands. *2* - Zoro's strongest attacks require him to use a sword. Punk Hazard, he cut Kuma with his Lion's Song, something he couldn't do without a sword. Same with Pika. His peek can not be achieved without a sword, therefore he's a True Swordsman. *3* - If Fujitora's (clearly a swordsman) strongest attack requires a sword to be used he can be classified as a True Swordsman. if its a DF ultimate attack, then he is a swordsman but not a true one. P.S. I'am Defining Peek as your strongest point.
@schnozchan6606
@schnozchan6606 4 жыл бұрын
Facts
@erstonoutway7281
@erstonoutway7281 4 жыл бұрын
Fujitora is also a special case. He often uses his DF in unison with his sword.
@schnozchan6606
@schnozchan6606 4 жыл бұрын
@@erstonoutway7281 I couldn't see Fuji NOT using his sword in combat at any point but he technically does not need to in order to use his ability. Do we know how he got his DF? I remember hearing that it was confirmed somewhere that he was given it by the WG, which implies he was strong enough as a regular swordsman to qualify for an Admiral position.
@jayc1788
@jayc1788 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing intro, good commentary and great conversation topics. Loving it, keep it up
@Harem__King
@Harem__King 4 жыл бұрын
A true swordsman hes soul is bound with hes blade, however the worlds strongest swordsman has to beat all challenges blade, hybrid blade with devil fruits. When Zoro beats devil fruit users it makes him even more badass. Especially hes amount of training to get stronger sure he can eat an op devil fruit it'll be alot more easier however he embodies a true swordsman that grows with hes blades.
@101mrcrazyman
@101mrcrazyman 4 жыл бұрын
his* nigga and your comment made me cringe into oblivion
@blindphilosopher
@blindphilosopher 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, he defeated Kaku, a devil fruit user with a blade. That counts.
@Harem__King
@Harem__King 4 жыл бұрын
@@blindphilosopher and mr one
@blindphilosopher
@blindphilosopher 4 жыл бұрын
@@Harem__King Oh yes, I forgot about Daz Bones.
@CarlosDiaz-wp7sp
@CarlosDiaz-wp7sp 4 жыл бұрын
I think *a true swordsman* is someone *who specializes in that style of combat* . That's why even more powerful characters like Roger, Big Mom, Shanks, Oden, Rayleigh, who use a sword too, doesn't have that title. It's that simple.
@sketchstevens5859
@sketchstevens5859 4 жыл бұрын
Nah, Mihawk could mess up Roger
@MrDeone365
@MrDeone365 4 жыл бұрын
Sketch Stevens Lmao rodger would body mihawk
@sketchstevens5859
@sketchstevens5859 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrDeone365 lol no roger-stan
@MrDeone365
@MrDeone365 4 жыл бұрын
Sketch Stevens What has mihawk done to make you think hed beat rodger?
@sketchstevens5859
@sketchstevens5859 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrDeone365 The fact that he holds the title of Worlds Strongest Swordsman. That means that no one is going to defeat him with their own sword/bladed weapon vs his.
@cozmyx25
@cozmyx25 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so disappointed in the so hyped "Samurai of Wano", like who? Ashura and Denjiro? Even Akainu talks about these samurais of Wano with Kizaru but man where are they?
@larsdegroof1209
@larsdegroof1209 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe the average samurai is stronger than the average fodder marine, which would explain Akainu's fear
@kingofsauce1319
@kingofsauce1319 4 жыл бұрын
If you wanna count inu and Neko as samurai of wano, which I would. They were able to fight evenly with Jack for half a day at a time, many times. That's insane compared to the vast majority of people.
@rishabhanand4973
@rishabhanand4973 4 жыл бұрын
kaido has cut off the primary source of food and water to most of wano. he also killed off any samurai who didn't join him. so it is possible that at one point, there were many powerful swordsmen in wano, but kaido and orochi's reign led to many of them dying off, as well as many potentially powerful samurai not being able to reach their potential. also, ashura doji is not joke. he's not a contender for strongest man in the world, but he is a high tier character.
@cozmyx25
@cozmyx25 4 жыл бұрын
I understand all of this and I mostly agree, but when fkin Kizaru, an admiral asked Akainu if he should go or not? ... and Akainu was like no, you shouldn't go because in Wano there are some strong Samurais.... then I kind of lost it. Like Wano really should have been the Epidemic of swordsman and stuff, and I really like Wano how it is right now but man I would have loved to see some intense swordsmanship here.
@cozmyx25
@cozmyx25 4 жыл бұрын
The whole question comes down to a simple thing: would Kizaru, as an admiral have anything to fear in Wano, as far as Samurais go? And I think the answer here speaks for itself..
@kingz4551
@kingz4551 4 жыл бұрын
This is definitely one of my favorite videos you’ve made, ever
@nicholasalexander9866
@nicholasalexander9866 4 жыл бұрын
I wish Oda would just explain the power system of One Piece from Devil Fruits, haki, fishman karate, voice of all things, just information. Unless it’s revealed in Zoro’s flashback when he trained under Mihawk or someone like Mihawk’s flashback
@fox2569
@fox2569 4 жыл бұрын
Everything is already well explained lol it’s just the fandom overthinking things as usual. The true potential of Haki is beginning to get fleshed out more.
@GotChives
@GotChives 4 жыл бұрын
If you look closely, it appears as it Roger’s Kamusari was also using the back of his blade. Look at the direction of his slash, how it hits Oden, and how he is holding the blade in his “follow through”. It looks like he used the back of his blade
@natesavage3576
@natesavage3576 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if in the VIZ, Mihawk is said to be the strongest swordsman or the greatest swordsman. But I believe that Oda intended it to mean the World's greatest swordsman . Meaning that Mihawk could be more skilled with swords than Shanks or Roger but worse haki. This mean that Mihawk would be over all weaker.
@S113Productions
@S113Productions 2 жыл бұрын
He's said to be the most powerful swordsman in the Marineford volumes in the first two pages when they show all the characters. His title is "Sekai Saikyo no Kenshi" and Whitebeard's is "Sekai saikyo no otoko", and we know WB's isn't the world's greatest man. So yes, Mihawk's title is really world's strongest swordsman.
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
Mihawk earned his title and stripes. Cant wait until folks see why he truly a monster. If you understand anything about his character and Zoro character. They would never hold on to worthless titles that carry’s no weight. Those after long battle tested matches. Look at what Zoro going through now to even being able to challenge MIhawk. By time he gets to that duel he will have been tested beyond belief. Mihawk earned his title,his vivre card backs this up too.
@ewilliams685
@ewilliams685 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure ppl know he's a monster. Just trying to see how he stacks up to the other monsters in one piece, who also happen to use swords
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
Edward Williams I see people put him below all the strongest because he used swords. To me he is a top tier level character period. While he not the strongest in the series,I think he has a shot against most people.
@leonarcherjunior2090
@leonarcherjunior2090 4 жыл бұрын
Big Mom 🌤️ Is a very underated swordswoman Most likely is the world's strongest swordswoman. She definitely Is the world's strongest woman is definitely top 10 strongest one piece characters of all
@slothtree2375
@slothtree2375 4 жыл бұрын
You're not technically wrong I believe but check out the post above you, he made a pretty solid analogy
@boubichealaa1184
@boubichealaa1184 4 жыл бұрын
The strongest woman also in the world
@blindphilosopher
@blindphilosopher 4 жыл бұрын
You're right but at the same time you're wrong.
@prime7042
@prime7042 4 жыл бұрын
Leon Archer Junior she is stronger then Mihawk she would crush him
@manofculture4075
@manofculture4075 4 жыл бұрын
I think they both are on the same level because we don't have enough info about them to place them at a comfortable spot in strength
@joshuacapones2881
@joshuacapones2881 4 жыл бұрын
Fight accordingly to gain the title accordingly. Head to head duel using sword without a devil fruit thats how you gain the title. Others just uses sword by 50%, 30% but only as a tool not a main weapon. You cant be a greatest swordsman if you battle and beat a brawler.
@isectoid9454
@isectoid9454 4 жыл бұрын
My first thought as a barometer for this proposed 'Mihawk vs Big Mom' is what they'd be like if they were both reduced to normal people. No ultra strength, Haki only as strong as a normal person, no DF, no special swords, no size difference. Just their minds and some so-so blades from a bargain bin.
@kadenmullins5036
@kadenmullins5036 4 жыл бұрын
Swords in anime are just badass in general
@mrinsaf
@mrinsaf 4 жыл бұрын
Gun in one piece is much more gangster
@veldrensavoth7119
@veldrensavoth7119 4 жыл бұрын
“We attach to much logic to it” I think that’s what odas trying to tell us. Oda dosent want to write a story trying to preach to us or tell us how to live our lives. Oda wants to tell a story about a rubber guy fighting a blind samurai that can bring down meteors.
@mehaplebypotatocalledtaqwa4773
@mehaplebypotatocalledtaqwa4773 4 жыл бұрын
Lol when you realize that oden was hyped so much just to hype up roger
@jonh387
@jonh387 3 жыл бұрын
Shanks vs Mihawk Mihawk:"I've got the highground" Shanks:"Let me pull out this gun"
@toviasjames7902
@toviasjames7902 4 жыл бұрын
T: damn . Couldn’t get here quick enough 😬
@biggiecheese3041
@biggiecheese3041 4 жыл бұрын
same bro
@datguy5661
@datguy5661 4 жыл бұрын
What I really want to know is how the hell do people like GARP become top-tiers without even a sword!??
@lostmarimo
@lostmarimo 4 жыл бұрын
Haki makes his body parts hard so he can parry blades. basic one piece stuff really
@Peace4Conciousness
@Peace4Conciousness 4 жыл бұрын
Didn’t Oden say something along the lines of: roger and his crew were on a complete different level on their own compared to white beard
@BragoDAce
@BragoDAce 4 жыл бұрын
Nah those were the scans.
@cyancarpet4746
@cyancarpet4746 4 жыл бұрын
He meant it as more of roger’s journey with his crew was more adventurous and oden admired that more
@bilzert3670
@bilzert3670 4 жыл бұрын
Traice Anthony He only compared Roger and WB. And it’s not about their strengths but their ambitions.
@kennythelenny6819
@kennythelenny6819 4 жыл бұрын
@@bilzert3670 and to add onto this oden was wowed by Roger due to what he knew with poneglyphs and him being a kozuki. People interpret that panel that Roger was better though lack this context.
@MaestroDobel1884
@MaestroDobel1884 4 жыл бұрын
"Roger using that technique..... was Sexy BTW.. " YAAAASSSS
@zero1188
@zero1188 4 жыл бұрын
big mom isnt a sword man but she more than likely would beat mihawk in a fight
@16rapids
@16rapids 4 жыл бұрын
This whole debate was settled waaaaaay back in Arlong Park. When Zoro fought Hachi Hachi said something about having more swords to which Zoro said there's a difference between using swords and being a swordsman. That's what it comes down to. You can be incredibly strong and only use a sword+haki and still not be a swordsman. I personally would consider Rayleigh a sword user and not a swordsman. I would guess the same would also apply to Roger.
@johnrebelet5754
@johnrebelet5754 2 жыл бұрын
so if u use haki on your sword u arent a swordsmen?
@S113Productions
@S113Productions Жыл бұрын
Zoro never said anything like that. Hachi said he has more swords than Zoro, but Zoro said that it doesn’t matter whether he has more swords than him or not, what matters is the wielder’s individual strength. The context was just because a swordsman wields more swords than another swordsman doesn’t make them stronger, it depends on the individual. For example, Mihawk uses one sword to fight with, Zoro uses three. Zoro still got outclassed because Mihawk is stronger.
@avataraarow
@avataraarow 4 жыл бұрын
I think titles like “greatest swordsman” are kind of like bounties. In one piece, everything. Is about prestige and notoriety, NOT necessarily the actual prowess of the combatant. People see Mihawk, as a “swordsman,” whatever they mean by it, as the greatest, but that doesn’t mean he’s stronger than anyone else who uses a sword. It’s just a title to show the perception of mihawk like a bounty is a number that shows the perception of how dangerous someone is, they don’t always need to line up. So I think shanks is stronger, but maybe not as dedicated to the way of the sword and so he doesn’t have that same perception of greatest swordsman that mihawk does. One piece is really interesting to me because at the end of the day everything is all about the optics. It’s about how people perceive stuff and not the facts of the matter, and that’s something that’s both really cool and unique about the series, as well as frustrating as hell from a power scaling perspective lol
@Ashtonflorman1997
@Ashtonflorman1997 4 жыл бұрын
avataraarow What about Whitebeard who has “Strongest Man” and Kaido’s “strongest Creature”??? Are their titles just prestige and notoriety???
@Xgeneralll
@Xgeneralll 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ashtonflorman1997 He went quiet real quick lmao. Sick of people like this downplaying mihawk title. Mihawk> Big mom Mihawk> kaido ANY DAY ANY WEEK. PERIOD.
@prime7042
@prime7042 4 жыл бұрын
Sam B big mom destroys Mihawk without using her sword
@prime7042
@prime7042 4 жыл бұрын
Sam B strongest creature>>>>>>greatest swordsman
@prime7042
@prime7042 4 жыл бұрын
Sam B big mom casually low diffs commanders without using her sword or any haki not even her devil fruit just with her brute strength Kaido one hits post katakuri fight luffy casually Meanwhile Mihawk gets stopped by weaker commanders with no problem Even Akainu beats Mihawk
@rickydjoker4836
@rickydjoker4836 4 жыл бұрын
Watch all ads till the end to show support. Keep it up bro
@TheoryTheory2222
@TheoryTheory2222 4 жыл бұрын
Mihawk is a mere warlord
@vyshakhc6427
@vyshakhc6427 4 жыл бұрын
Not anymore
@ryou7346
@ryou7346 4 жыл бұрын
He even lost taht title lmao
@mechathunandthecultofdeath4958
@mechathunandthecultofdeath4958 4 жыл бұрын
I would consider it like this : In Final Fantasy, or any game with jobs or classes, there is specifically Swordsman or Fencer or the like. They aren't the only class to wield swords -- MOST melee classes have swords as an option honestly. It's a specific sect of fighters that use swords and primarily swords, and among those, Mihawk is the best -- but can still lose to someone like Big Mom (hypothetically) who would be a crazy Spellsword or Red Mage type perhaps. Roger is a max level Onion Knight btw
@xXAirHeadxX729
@xXAirHeadxX729 4 жыл бұрын
Y’all theory’s is a little over the top it’s plain and simple characters who are powerful and also use a sword for another source of power that is SKILL and how they can use there powers in creative ways too BATTLE simple as that
@anmolt3840051
@anmolt3840051 4 жыл бұрын
A Swordsman is one who follows "the path of the sword" or some such thing. People whose aim in life is to continuously improve their craft (swordsmanship). Others, like Borsalino or Big Mom or Law use swords as a weapon, but aren't really swordsmen
@admiralkuzan9026
@admiralkuzan9026 3 жыл бұрын
Law was called a swordsman by doflamingo ( law vs vergo)
@koatam
@koatam 4 жыл бұрын
Big Mom doesn't fight with a sword. Napoleon is a hat.
@chosengod4466
@chosengod4466 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh its a damn sword what you meannn☠️
@koatam
@koatam 4 жыл бұрын
Napoleon is a hat, Funkfreed is a sword, Lassoo is a bazooka and Chopper is a reindeer.
@koatam
@koatam 4 жыл бұрын
Baby 5 is a woman, Old-man Tree is a tree, Pato is a pen, Bege is a gangster, Foxxy is annoying and there are no words to describe Ivankov.
@koatam
@koatam 4 жыл бұрын
OH! and Kelly Funk is a jacket.
@artyparty8166
@artyparty8166 4 жыл бұрын
This is why my argument for Mihawk over Shanks is they battled with swords using PURE SKILL and technique. No devil fruit or haki (maybe) was used. It was a battle with pure strength, speed, and swordsmanship. How they handled the sword.
@hybird9885
@hybird9885 4 жыл бұрын
Shanks and Mihawk slicing up Kaido imagine
@hybird9885
@hybird9885 4 жыл бұрын
Vinsmoke Sanji yea that would be kinda cool, but imagine Zoro cutting the head off Sanji
@hybird9885
@hybird9885 4 жыл бұрын
Vinsmoke Sanji no u
@meechiluciano7808
@meechiluciano7808 4 жыл бұрын
I believe according to one piece gaining the greatest swordsman title is basically the ability to be able to cut through anything, it’s foreshadowed time after time through zoro, also whenever you see mihawk in action it’s him cutting through a significant item. I don’t believed one piece accounts for swordsman strength through battles more so with being able to control exert power through your blade.
@roybassig2800
@roybassig2800 4 жыл бұрын
Big Mom is definitely not a swordsman!!! She is a swordswoman!
@cedricnzakou6143
@cedricnzakou6143 4 жыл бұрын
You know you are old when you know Ruroni no Kenshin
@godmode6263
@godmode6263 4 жыл бұрын
Mihawk is stronger than all swordsman. Therefore Mihawk is stronger than shanks and big mom. We all know that zoro is going to be stronger than Mihawk and he will become the strongest swordman. Therefore, zoro after wano will be stronger than big mom and shanks. A second in command of a crew, being stronger than yonkos which are monsters of the verse ever. I don't buy that.
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
lmfaoooo this entire comment is trash goddamn
@godmode6263
@godmode6263 4 жыл бұрын
@@pubixcube27 so you think zoro would beat big mom and shank?
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
@@godmode6263 Hell yeah, Zoro is taking out Kaido this arc with Enma, bro. He's going to surpass Luffy
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
@@godmode6263 lmao nah I'm trolling, I agree with you Zoro is not reaching that level of strength anytime soon
@alexsomethingorother1474
@alexsomethingorother1474 4 жыл бұрын
The way I always read it is like the one on one bet on kaido line where if it was you and mihawk and just your blades no one is beating him.
@kiddprodigy636
@kiddprodigy636 4 жыл бұрын
Wait do people actually believe Mihawk can’t fight a yonko 1 on 1?
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, they do lol. I don't understand why though, I mean Mihawk is strong and all, definitely top 15 in terms oif strength rn but not stronger than the Yonko.
@doffy6543
@doffy6543 4 жыл бұрын
yonko hella overrated 2 of them together about to lose to supernovas 😂
@kiddprodigy636
@kiddprodigy636 4 жыл бұрын
PubixCube27 yonko is just a title for territory and I believe Mihawk could definitely hang with big mom, or kaido 1 on 1
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
Doffy lol it’s taking a whole band of samurai, minks, undercover marines, and 3 crews of supernovas to take them down. Yeah that’s literally a whole army, fam
@pubixcube27
@pubixcube27 4 жыл бұрын
Kidd Prodigy he could hang with them but defeat them? Hmm, that’s a no from me. He would def give them a hard fight for sure
@son_of_the_heavymetal1142
@son_of_the_heavymetal1142 4 жыл бұрын
For me there are 3 types of "swordsman": - Actual swordsman (like Kinemon, Zoro, Mihawk) - Haki monsters, who still need something to hit people (Like Roger and Shanks) - Swordsman with a df/ Df user with a sword (Like Fujitora and Law)
@charlescooks9360
@charlescooks9360 4 жыл бұрын
if post timeskip Zoro beats Blueno with bare fist using haki does he still count as a swordsman?
@dantecrottogini529
@dantecrottogini529 4 жыл бұрын
Here's how i see it: Fujitora is stronger than Zoro but Zoro is a better swordsman in terms of technique
@eramurez8548
@eramurez8548 4 жыл бұрын
Well we haven't seen that yet. Id assume that's gonna be the case but we've seen him fight in only sequences of barely a minute. Hopefully we can see that soon with whoever he's dealing with among the ex warlords.
@Iberlos
@Iberlos 4 жыл бұрын
Also, to me, to take the title of greatest swordsman one must only nick the greatest swordsman's blade with their own. Its not about winning or losing a battle, its about who has more control and the strongest haki.
@grunt1493
@grunt1493 4 жыл бұрын
Baggy is a "true" swordsman!
@grunt1493
@grunt1493 4 жыл бұрын
Zoro 3 blades, Baggy 8 blades
@panoskinnas9867
@panoskinnas9867 4 жыл бұрын
Crazy thought :What if Kaido's son is Ryokogyu and he is undercover in the Marines?
@481ru6
@481ru6 2 жыл бұрын
I greatly understand this for the marines like you said they are trained with the way of the blade but still don't take it serious it's only when you make it your top priority
@FireAngelChris
@FireAngelChris 4 жыл бұрын
Lol do y’all see the size of the man sword and the ease I. Which he uses it, not only is he the greatest swordsman but he is one of the physically strongest person that uses a sword.
@gori-gorillagorillamon4809
@gori-gorillagorillamon4809 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, it's pretty fucking simple. A true swordsman is someone who uses a sword and swordsman techniques. Someone as unorthodox as Zoro who uses 3 katana and usually just powers through everything, is by no means a true swordsman. In One Piece, everyone who primarily fights with a sword, is a swordsman. Having extra abilities doesn't make them not-swordsmen, simply makes them be more. Just as Brook as a musician, is both a violinist and a pianist. Him playing a piano doesn't mean he isn't a violinist any longer. It doesn't matter if the person adds electricity, fire, a meteor, haki, or more swords to their sword fighting. They are still fighting with a sword, and whoever outperforms the other, is "stronger". Going into ridiculous technicalities would be the same as me saying: "Whitebeard may have had the "strongest man" title, but that simply means he bench presses more than everyone else. That doesn't mean he was the most powerful fighter." It's the exact same ridiculous logic that people use to say that Big Mom, Shanks etc are stronger than Mihawk. The only reason why they don't think this way about Whitebeard is because they don't have a delusional head-canon to nerf him. Characters who primarily use other ways to fight, but occasionally can use/create a sword like Kizaru (who created a light sword when he fought against Rayleigh) are not swordsmen. The reason he created that light sword was because he needed something to defend against the deadly weapon of his opponent. Nothing complicated there. People are just delusional and apply their generic shonen tropes onto One Piece and thus think that Zoro has to be a fighter significantly weaker than the main-main character. And thus Zoro's end game goal can't be top tier either. And that's where the "debate" comes from.
@franks6349
@franks6349 4 жыл бұрын
If your primary fighting capabilities are with a sword you are a swordsman.
@crystalpad2010
@crystalpad2010 4 жыл бұрын
This is how I see it: If your arsenal is solely based around the blade I.e. named attacks and style of fighting, then I can class you as a swordsman. If someone beats Mihawk with anything other than sheer swordsmanship (Strictly going by the definition the "Art of the sword" then we can simply say they beat the worlds greatest swordsman and would probably have a seperate title within itself. If you have a style of fighting with a blade then you are quite simply put, a swordsman. Helmepo is technically a swordsman, he possesses a unique type of blade and a style to go with it. Bottom line, if you're doing named attacks with a blade and that's your primary weapon, then you're a swordsman
@linorobin5537
@linorobin5537 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously lots of one piece characters use swords and are celebrated as being very strong. So what If think the reason Mihawk is the strongest is related to his sword. Oda has been hinting that swords in the One Piece world almost have souls or characters in that some are difficult to tame. Mihawk is of course extremely strong but perhaps his strongest trait is that he's able to meet his sword's unreasonably high standards of swordsmanship and other skills. Other's are stronger than him but he might overcome that cause he is able to tame the most difficult sword in history
@seisl202
@seisl202 4 жыл бұрын
For me there's 2 main categories; people who know swordmanship skills(like Roger, Big mom and Borsalino & true swordsmen who not only use the weapon but live by it aka Zoro,kuina, tashigi and current #1 Mihawk
@JohnDoe-ec4fj
@JohnDoe-ec4fj 4 жыл бұрын
Unless a whole lot gets revealed during the war, Wano has been a bust for swordsmanship. Remember when Zoro found out Kinemon could cut fire? We haven't even gotten any more names of the supreme grades and the sword fights have been subpar.
@ewilliams685
@ewilliams685 4 жыл бұрын
This is completely true. For it to be wano I feel oda missed so much opportunity to shine with the swordsman concept. But maybe he's been saving it up for the end.
@GSlice37
@GSlice37 4 жыл бұрын
What if we add the black blade arguement? Maybe you can only be considered top 3 swordsman in the one piece world - you have to have perfected techniques and bonded with your blade enough to elevate it. If we were talking about who is the best traditional martial artist (forms and perfected balance etc), an mma might be a better fighter but a monk is gonna have the better technique.
@mushiana1476
@mushiana1476 4 жыл бұрын
Roger ability was changing weather...the mustache on their ship flag looks like clouds.
@turdrhinofiend
@turdrhinofiend 4 жыл бұрын
Shanks losing his arm to allow for the new era to exist bloomed his haki to a tremendous degree.
@AndElite
@AndElite 4 жыл бұрын
I've always said to people that being a swordsman is a deep concept. Grabbing a sword doesn't make you one (per the One Piece swordsman lore though). Swordman's do and say certain things, examples: - Zoro challenging Sandai Kitetsu. - Zoro giving a funeral to his swords. - People of Wano putting their named swords in their graves. - Mihawk saying any sword can become black. - Mihawk explaining that any chip or damage to a sword is an embarrassment. - Kawamatsu welcoming his beloved blade Soto Muso. In short, being a swordsman is a lifestyle. We don't know enough about Roger or Shanks to say if they are swordsmen or not, and just because they use one doesn't mean they are.
@charlescooks9360
@charlescooks9360 4 жыл бұрын
is fujitora a swordsman?
@AndElite
@AndElite 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlescooks9360 hard to say since we don't fully know Fujitora. Even if we have good idea of his morals, we don't know much of his background and his fighting style other than his fruit. But he gives me the impression that he is a swordsman.
@jamaicandondada9024
@jamaicandondada9024 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion this argument becomes less convoluted if we go by what was said in the Ace Novel: "Thatch is stronger than Vista, but Vista is a better swordsmen" (as in his technique is better)
@pacman6889
@pacman6889 4 жыл бұрын
A swordsman is a person who uses a sword as the weapon of choice and trains with it. You are not a swordsman if you’re only using the sword because it’s the only weapon around or available.
@Kafilkafilkafil
@Kafilkafilkafil 4 жыл бұрын
9:12 "Trained in the way of the Blade" Just because you swing a sword you are not a swordsman. Roger may have had other means of fighting and so does Shanks but did they ever train in the way of the sword.
@ultimatelifeform231
@ultimatelifeform231 4 жыл бұрын
Basically if they ever dramatically sheathe or draw their sword they're a swordsmen. That's how you know.
@davidortiz3094
@davidortiz3094 4 жыл бұрын
1) Mihawk was famous even in Roger's days. 2) Whitebeard considered his duels with Shanks LEGENDARY. 3) When Mihawk is about to fight, everyone shuts up & watches. Even Admirals. 4) There is only 2 people who have made they Swords into Black Blades that we know of. Sword God Ryuma & Mihawk. 5) Mihawk is the only character who travels the seas solo & no one bothers him. No one even gave him scars from his battles. 6) Even Samurai in Wano would know Mihawk since it's a land of Swordsmen & Mihawk would have definitely stopped by there back in the days to test his skills. 7) He is the World's Strongest Swordsman
@vitaminstorm9429
@vitaminstorm9429 4 жыл бұрын
By worlds greatest swordsman, im pretty sure oda is referring to the person who is able to demonstrate the most skill with a blade
@patrikrathousky5791
@patrikrathousky5791 4 жыл бұрын
We probably won't know for sure what it takes to become the greatest swordsman until someone gets that title on screen. Just have to be patient I guess. Though I find it interesting that the two sword gods (Ryuma and Mihawk) both fought with with a blackblade.
@DatHolzauge
@DatHolzauge 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion you can categorize these "Swordsman"(as mentioned in the wiki) into two groups. 1: True Swordsman: People that use their skill with the sword as a means of power (e.g. Zorro & Mihawk ) 2:Channel-Types: People that use swords to channel their powers through it or use them as complementary equip for their skillset ( e.g. Big Mom & Law)
@jaylaw8242
@jaylaw8242 4 жыл бұрын
I can tell the lockdown giving you a lot of time to think of these great theory and discussion BDA Law
@wanpicu5719
@wanpicu5719 4 жыл бұрын
It was stated that Mihawk is the worlds greatest swordsman but not necessarily the worlds strongest swordsman. Anyone who uses a sword could technically be classified as a swordsman, but Mihawk is considered the worlds greatest not because he is the strongest person who uses a sword, but rather he is the most skilled person at using a sword.
@ykc4638
@ykc4638 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Title applies to a Swordsman who has fought many and not lost once
@stormrage3708
@stormrage3708 4 жыл бұрын
It's very simple. Shanks got so much powerful from his duels with Mihawk. Then he became a Yonko and is stronger than Mihawk now. It's already been established that Yonko are superior to everyone, and that includes Mihawk as well. Hell, even Whitebeard in Marineford is stronger than Mihawk, and he was old and sick af.
@stormrage3708
@stormrage3708 3 жыл бұрын
@Steven D'Angelo 1- Blackbeard, 2- Akainu, 3- Big Mom, 4- Shanks, 5- Kaidou, 6- old Garp, 7- vice-admiral Onigumo, 8- Marco, 9- Rayleigh, 10- Luffy, 11- Mihawk=Vista, 12- Dragon, 13- Kizaru, 14- Sabo, 15- Fujitora, 16- Greenbull.
@stormrage3708
@stormrage3708 3 жыл бұрын
@Steven D'Angelo blackbeard rekts shanks and 3 admirals. Vistai is equal to Mihawk, Mihawk is stronger than admirals, so Vista > admiral.
@ryanhorner3908
@ryanhorner3908 4 жыл бұрын
Brago's "youtuber" devil fruit ability is the Nuance-Nuance no mi. A rare ability indeed. Great analysis G
@imnotaclown9603
@imnotaclown9603 4 жыл бұрын
I think fujitora would fight using his sword if he is challenged to a dual. But if he's ordered to capture luffy or something, and they have a fight, he would definitely use his fruit
@xaviercopeland2789
@xaviercopeland2789 4 жыл бұрын
People really think Mihawk can still compete with Shanks 12+ years later after they fought in sword duels and Shanks grew from there. Shanks was said to be just as dangerous when he lost his arm by Oda himself, so he can’t only use a sword since that wouldn’t be possible for someone like Zoro or Mihawk to be just as strong after losing an arm. He has strong haki, and Garp and Sabo showed us that that can push you over the edge, and I think his is just stronger than everyone else’s and makes him broken.
@erstonoutway7281
@erstonoutway7281 4 жыл бұрын
For me its like this. Back then when Shanks had both arms he was a real Swordsman and were probably tied to Mihawk. But after he lost his arm he had to adapt his fighting style. That being said he isn't weaker than before but just can't fight like a real swordsman because he has to compensate in other ways even if he is still using his sword as the main medium to transport his strength.
@rushnafwadud
@rushnafwadud 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Dracule Mihawk isn’t an Emperor because it isn’t his ambition or attitude to be one. You need a crew and territory to make a name for yourself as a Yonkou, whereas Mihawk is the definition of a loner, and his only motivation is seemingly to hold the title of the world’s greatest swordsman, and to find and challenge the upcoming strong swords. I have little doubt Mihawk can hold his own against any single pirate in the world, without their crews backing them up.
@jordanmarques1671
@jordanmarques1671 4 жыл бұрын
Mihawk is like floyd Mayweather in boxing and big mom is like khabib in ufc
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