Beat Collabs Are Getting Crazy

[@DJPain1]

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[@the_handsome_bear]

55 producers is nuts.

[@aproducernamed2]

Facts

[@JayfkProductions876]

In the past there would be that many ppl or more working on a project, you just would never hear about it coz they'd probably be work for Hire musicians.

[@DJPain1]

@@JayfkProductions876 exactly

[@d-1beats]

This gonna be my final comment on this channel but i personally dont like that process Just like beat leasing game, this placement strategy of using 5-6 producers on a beat is ridiculous and pathetic. Often times its just one loop that was created by one or two musicians and a bunch of lazy producers who loop it half time it or pass it thru other producers hand who barely touch or add to it and call that "production" I say this because this is what water down creative music overall and saturation not only in the beat selling marketplace but also the eventual placements selected. Now I'm not against collaboration but beyond 2 or 3 musicians/producers u dont need 6 or something ppl on one beat. Thats wild to me

[@bluebird1954]

Basically the Internet money method, pack 50 producers into a house and make em work 😂

[@d-1beats]

@@bluebird1954 absolutely accurate 💯, put some work on them hi hats 😂

[@bluebird1954]

@@d-1beats I remember they would make vlogs and had some guy sleep under the kitchen table 🤣

[@d-1beats]

@@bluebird1954 😂😂😂

[@phoenix-element]

You're right!

[@Hustlalyfe44]

Let's go back to the days when artists work with only one producer

[@DJPain1]

By sampling, those old school producers added multiple cowriters to each track. Very few did it 100% themselves without sampling, coproducers or session players

[@Aliengroover]

​@@DJPain1When I saw the preview of the comment that's exactly what I was coming here to say. So many people in the past didn't get credit for their contributions. We can argue the nature of those credits til we're blue in the face, but the fact remains many people got a $100 check and a 6-pack of beer for a guitar part that made the song

[@Lucy-jc5wg]

Just bear in mind that session musicians and vocalists do not always want credit and some prefer to remain anonymous. They have their own brands/careers/lives and may not want to be associated publicly with the projects for their own personal reasons. My friend does session work as a vocalist and the last thing she would want is to be at a conference for her corporate job and someone pulls up a track of her singing on something risqué or political, for instance. Many session musicians I work with want to bring the client’s vision to life without any strings and they make that a condition of working with them. I always ask first, even if it’s in the terms, before and after the track is done to make sure.

[@DJPain1]

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[@RoddyRodbb]

This album should have sounded way better with that many producers.

[@DJPain1]

I’m gonna have to listen to it

[@Sakima205]

beats sound like they were made in bandlab

[@tevin1524]

What i really hate about this is in a month there will be a new youtuber trying to give us bogus info he jist learned and say he "works with big sean" so we should trust him when really he did the hihat loop that he sent to someone, who sent it to someone, who then added another loop and sent it to someone, WHO THEN sends that to another guy who works for big sean 😂 So many people with these kinda "placements" use it as leverage to teach, then it slows down a thousand newer producers under them. Its sad

[@DJPain1]

@@tevin1524 nobody has ever done this with a high hat, but point taken that most producers aren’t qualified to teach music business

[@broussardbeats]

I'm not good at math but that's close to 3 different producers on 21 tracks each? 55 producers on a 21 track album is not that crazy, especially for a Mixtape, it's really no difference between the two these days the way rappers put out music.

[@emptytombprod]

💯💯💯

[@al_gatorr]

Real interesting comments about that decline of the 360 deal. Never thought about that connection but it makes a lot of sense.

[@a.c.onthebeat]

I got a question DJPain can you be in the credits of a song and not get paid at all?

[@16914]

I parked my music on N1M. Forgot about it 7 years back. Got a song motionless a modern tension beat on charts 25th out of top30. But what charts count and what charts don't

[@DJPain1]

@@16914 but it’s a good foundation

[@16914]

@@DJPain1 i feel sick N1M bots a scam uses digital coins. not liking the relationship with bots.

[@Spaceymusicusa]

Does Twitter still benefit beatmakers in any way if u don't have a following on there?

[@mikeillgaming4224]

Bruh .... Weaver beats worked with big sean? ... I've done my googles and im starting to believe I've been pranked 😂

[@cortezrobinson6348]

If you look at it, it's like a band. All members contribute to get the best results.

[@chykoj9714]

too bad they wont get paid like one

[@ScantlessBeatz]

I had a studio session last weekend with @hit-boy and @davidyounginkim and I learned so much and how to better find the bounce with my drums. Collab'n with other producers is dope but you dont need 10 producers on 1beat thats just doing way to much.

[@RebuttalThattt]

👀

[@IAMKINGKRIS]

That’s Insane

[@SteveFranchise23]

I didn't realize how hard it is to sell my beats now that I'm taking making beats serious

[@DJPain1]

@@SteveFranchise23 it’s hard but worth it

[@bluebird1954]

Just takes time man

[@Usenabt]

The way these titles n thumbnails are, I just think it’s gonna be a video of DJ pain talking about beats n producers which I’m not interested in respectfully, but I love these podcast talks and always listen to them but I could unknowingly skip them because of the titles n thumbnail

[@DJPain1]

@@Usenabt thanks for letting me know- what would help to make this clearer to you as a viewer?

[@davidpatterson4547]

55 producers is wild. And still the album was Mid.

[@MandosCulture]

I want Sean on a Pain beat. Sean is one of my favorite rappers since 2010s and Pain has the production that fits PERFECT with Big Sean 💀💀💀

[@HAVIERSAASCO]

I want Sean on a Pain beat****

[@MandosCulture]

@@HAVIERSAASCO 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@DJPain1]

I’m with you

[@MrMakintosh100]

Collaboration is cool, but at what point is it too much? It shouldn’t take 6 producers to produce a song. 2-3 max, but there should also be instances where it’s solo. Sometimes you need to be selfish because sometimes you have a clear vision and you want to see that through. Other times it’s necessary to collab. Just form a team like the Justice League, or Neptunes, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. They each have a brand and a sound that is recognizable. It’s hard to know who is who when u got 6 producers on a track.

[@DJPain1]

@@MrMakintosh100 wait until you hear about orchestras

[@MrMakintosh100]

@@DJPain1 Thats not the same thing. The Orchestra are not producers, they are hired to play what the Writer/Producer tells them to play. They get credited as musicians as members of an Orchestra. The only reason u have 6 producers on a track nowadays is because of politics where middlemen are taking producer credit when really it only took 1-2 people to really produce the track.

[@djtanikgotbeatz]

Pain literally expressed what I express to my self everyday ahaha like that white kid that has no rythm that dances to his beats corny as hell But he’s successful and even BOSSMAN is following him ahah this world Is crazy as hell 😂😂😂

[@DJPain1]

@@djtanikgotbeatz who mabu?

[@PulitzerPhil]

0728 Una Village

[@terrytimberlake8926]

Hold up.. this is nothing new. Remember the dj pool...

[@riseonthetrack]

55 PRODUCERS ON ONE ALBUM WTFFFF🤦🏾‍♂️😂😂😂😂

[@sarillable]

Too Many Producers on an Album = wack album. And its too many producers and not enough Artist

[@puregoldprod]

why do people care about this? mind your business lol. 55 producers and u still not on it, maybe focus on yourself instead.

[@emptytombprod]

I mean 55 is quite crazy. However, imagine hiring session musicians and song writers etc.. that number could EASILY surpass 55 depending on the type of music.

[@tigerbackwood]

Why hire a marketing agency when you can have 55 producers promoting their placement lol

[@fredyicey]

Of which no producer actually cares about lol

[@JayfkProductions876]

& That's 55 Composers & or Producers who got put on, coz gate keeping works to shut em out, that's aersome

[@thyviralload1359]

Maybe that’s why the album sounded so forgettable.

[@Bthelick]

imagine if this were an orchestra or band of 55 contributors. No way they all getting producer credits 🤣🤣.

[@DJPain1]

@@Bthelick well no, an orchestra is full of players and not composers/co-writers, so legally, they don’t own equity in, say, a Dvorak symphony. I hope this wasn’t a serious comment.

[@Bthelick]

@@DJPain1 I'm talking about these guys directly but you and me both know in this world many many beat makers aren't actual acting producers, their contribution is writing at best. engineering or session player maybe but not actual production.

[@kenzoblytheproducertv4934]

Ridiculous

[@nine27]

Well their not producers. They are session musicians. That’s what beatmakers are now. Session musicians being labeled as producers. Which is fine but let’s call it what it is. If you ain’t producing the artist and giving them direction or doing vocal production or there’s a bunch of beatmakers doing a beat and sending it from person to person than that’s what it is. But someone’s gona get offended by this so.. 😂 Also I notice in credits lately that some of the original producers/composers etc are started to be listed as producers on records that have samples in the beat. So that could be the case for the Big Sean album. But F a plaque. That’s music industry jumbo. That shit means nada. Timeless classic records don’t always have plaques but I guess we forgot that in the microwave era

[@DJPain1]

@@nine27 this has been going on since like 1990, they’re co-writers/composers and always have been 😂

[@AGtheGEEK]

same thing as the 80s, 90s, and 2000s beat sampling … why is today viewed as “different”?

[@millertheproducer]

Yo this video is a lesson I myself used to learn alot from your podcast's and videos like these and turned my life away for good am your big fan and you helped me make money selling beats before but I lost the paypal long story I don't wanna bother you legend but I started this youtube channel to grow up it up nowdays I grind and I still can't get sales and live poorly wish for a shoutout or a listen to my beats I posted it is my goal DJ Pain wish we could work one day I love the way you help out producer's thank you for helping me legend💎!

[@thaiboxing67]

My thing is not the 55 producers. It’s the cohesiveness of the album and its direction. What I have heard so far is not bad. I will continue to listen to the remaining tracks so I can determine if it was money well spent or just money spent

[@DJPain1]

I think with the right executive producer, it can work

[@thaiboxing67]

@@DJPain1 yep that is the key piece

[@emptytombprod]

Ppl are gna hate me for this one, but imagine how many opportunities this will have created within those 55 ppl over the next 5 years. Ppk think this is the last time they'll work together? Absolutely not.

[@Lucy-jc5wg]

What a producer is and does is a complex and controversial topic in this sphere. In a rock band, the band may have come up with the music and play it themselves, but they wouldn’t necessarily be the producers. Naturally, although there are multi instrumentalists, a song typically requires the input of many people to be realized, pianists, guitarists, bassists, drummers, etc. They may be producers in their own right (or is it “rights”?), but not for the entire song/album. Not uncommon to work with multiple producers, revising, improving, adding, subtracting elements, accounting for serendipity, before a song is in its completion stage. Work for hire is liberating because it allows a person to tweak as they please, incorporating whatever they want at their sole discretion. That’s part of what a producer does. They don’t have to play any instruments. 55 is not a crazy number if everyone who composed anything is called a producer. You’ll already have 2 producers on a track if you count the vocal producer. I don’t know what the context is, but maybe they all collaborated as a team. I don’t want to be cynical and assume it’s just a strategy for placements. It’s problematic because it suggests a skill set that a person may not have if approached. Which is why audio engineers are doing a lot more work these days that would usually be someone else’s responsibility. I prefer to see a section in the credits that lists who mixed, mastered, played and who composed and who produced.

[@SmallFortuneSD]

Never stop never stopping

[@ES-cl5hi]

With that many producers on a project the profit split is razor thin

[@mikeillgaming4224]

The production on the album is fire

[@DJPain1]

@@mikeillgaming4224 don’t see how it couldn’t be