beat making music producers got fooled

[@rhythmcity2006]

Been saying this for years, no shade to Tim but Static Major and Jimmy Douglas made Tim’s production sound grand. Team work truly made the dream work.

[@lionoathabhishek6133]

Cannot forget Danja, who brought the electro pop flava

[@leogolive]

Yo Kirk you know what’s crazy? The Erick Sermon episode is my favorite one specifically because he kept it one hunnid and was like “yo I gotta start over”. That’s real life and I respect it.

[@maynemann6643]

my favorite episode, too! 2nd beat st8 🔥.

[@Phyclone]

It really do be like that, gotta scrap it and go again.

[@leogolive]

@@Phyclone Damn right. I done trashed way more beats than I’ve kept lol!

[@o_gzimusic3244]

That Part 🎉

[@davido3109]

Booooommmmmm!!!!

[@M0DFATH3R]

9th wonder holds the crown on that show

[@Tempest_Elixir]

No doubt! All 4 were bangers!

[@kirkstate]

@@M0DFATH3R certainly

[@jasondugas8184]

Only thing that disappointed me was Timbo looking at that Gil Scott album like he's never heard it before... 🤨👊🏼

[@sibagiba]

Word. Dude doesnt Know one of the classics. “the Revolution Will not Be Televised” 🤔 Whaaat Timbo doesnt know. Classic record. Crazy

[@jasondugas8184]

@sibagiba 💯

[@jasondugas8184]

@sibagiba dude has no excuse for not knowing Gil Scott 🫤

[@sibagiba]

@@jasondugas8184 maybe he was on some Xanax or some some shit… looked a little unstable

[@smoothsavage2870]

Everybody doesnt know everything. I finally decided to start listening to Gil Scott Heron once i found out he was the one that made that version of Me And The Devil that i like. That was this year. I'm 35. There are so many sampled tracks that a lot of people dont know to this day (some people that are a lot older than me dont know em!).

[@corycoles891]

People don't understand that you didn't have computer plug-ins they had to dig crates, no KZbin tutorials to do shit. You had to figure it out. That's why shit was different. You had to be creative no way around it.

[@jonathandiaz754]

And they was getting huge checks so they wasn’t worried about living and they can create . Imagine getting 20k a beat ull be good and just focusing on cooking up

[@ItsTheFuzzMan]

How many "legendary" hip-hop producers owe their careers to their Mama and/or Daddy's record collection?

[@keyboardkingpin]

Hundreds

[@kirkstate]

Me that’s who

[@davido3109]

Me tooo!?? 😂

[@OfoeNelson]

Producers should stop lying about making a beat in 15 mins. Let's start there

[@bigman72511]

You can make a beat in time less than that. But it takes time to mold and shape the beat into a song and make it have musical sense.

[@OfoeNelson]

@@bigman72511 I know cuz I produce myself. What I mean is top producers putting it out there that a smash hit was made in 15 mins. They never elaborate so the average listener knows that it takes way more work

[@thestreetdreamersclub]

@@bigman72511facts

[@corywilliams458]

He didn't crack open the other 2 records....We need a Record Roulette 2.0

[@nickgilday8946]

with all due respect I think you're missing the point of most of those comments.... Some people liked or didn't like the beat, that's just life. that's gonna happen. What a large group of people were picking up on and commenting on was a lack of passion. When I watched that, it felt like someone reading a lazy promo during a podcast or making an appearance on a show to promote their movie and doing the bare minimum. THAT'S what turned off a big subset of viewers. You can't watch that one then go watch lets say Black Milk's one and feel like the passion or love for the challenge was the same.... First record. First song. No real insight... Just blaze did one, he was certainly paid by sprite to be there too.. he engaged MUCH MORE. He gave more of a glimpse into process. He cared.. I didn't feel that from Tim. Maybe its just his persona or the vibe he's giving off but like I said I think so many people watch these cuz you feel a connection with legends. Shit the Beatminerz??? In their apartment cooking up and collaborating.. that's why you watch it. Its that look of inspiration when they find a dope sample and the search for the right drums and all that stuff that beat makers relate to. You know what I mean? Just not a very inspiring episode. Okay rant over haha.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

What I picked up on was Timbo on is that he doesn't know or have a clue about Hiphop history that He claimed in the video to have despite not having a clue that the record He used was used famously by K west.

[@smoothsavage2870]

Fair assessment. The beat itself was fine though imo. He definitely seemed uninterested, like it was a "here ***** damn" episode lol.

[@nickgilday8946]

@@smoothsavage2870 yea I don’t have an issue with the beat, not every one is gonna be a hit like Kirk said.. it was just the demeanor man. I got that same vibe when I’m forced to eat salad lol

[@NorthPhillyFlyBoy]

Just Blaze also didn't have 45 ghost producers his entire career

[@nickgilday8946]

@ lol heyyyy now. I was gonna leave that one out haha

[@mossburg5559]

Please don't give Timberland no excuse

[@KeithMemminger]

I edited this episode of Rhythm Roulette and fully agree. I appreciate this feedback fr. Salute king!

[@maui5361]

🧢

[@artistsofnycshow1]

@@maui5361 all it takes is for you to check the credits my guy lol (Keef Louda) the energy it took for this comment tho i commend you on, most people wouldn't of had the time.

[@nilespeshay1734]

To me, that vid is just a reminder to stay away from incredibly well-known samples UNLESS you can flip it in some way that adds to the legacy of it. Either be better than those who came before you OR have a new, unique take on it. Timbo did neither. He should've listened to the other 2 albums.... and stayed away from the song that's been flipped 50 times, already.

[@themayne6303]

Or just make a good beat with it period

[@TangoJordan]

This was a great video. You got me feeling good about what's up, what I do, and what coming. Do Ya' Thing. We worked hard on beats back in the day, and now we'll do it again.

[@calcutlass]

Nah, the loop itself was bare minimum effort and the drums was ass. Beat was so wack it almost seemed intentional lol. Nevermind the fact that he didn't even use all three samples like they're supposed to.

[@thecatalyst84]

Nah. Timbaland didn't even bother to listen to more than ONE SONG on ONE RECORD, let alone browse through ALL THREE of them, and he banged that shit out quick as possible. It was lazy. Plenty of producers on Rhythm Roulette SMOKED that shit. This take doesn't make sense. Respectfully.

[@YoungBlaze]

Nah bro I get what you saying but absolutely not... That beat tim did was trash... If you seen how he judges tracks on his live.... He would "TOSS THAT OVERBOARD"

[@talkforlondon]

Timberland is not a sample based producer. He samples sounds and stuff but never was a proper sample loop chopper.

[@JEFFMAN90]

Yes he is TF 😂😂😂

[@WhtMike2006]

Timbo most certainly is a sample based producer. So much of his early classic material was sample based.

[@TheMidnightBandit]

Just found your channel. Love your vibe. You rock! Quantity creates more quality!

[@bobby4f]

It was like watching 60 yr old Jordan run drills knowing he rather be chilling smoking a cigar somewhere

[@king.bethel]

I’m glad you broke it down… these cats don’t know the struggle back in the days - we had to work to find beautiful tones and ideas

[@man_zo4138]

For me, a huge part of getting better is making beats that don't work out, and trying again tomorrow! Some makers can pull something great together in 30 minutes, others take their time like a sculptor, refining the details for weeks or months. Both get respect from me for working on the craft! 🤙

[@At.mos.fEarProduktionz]

This is true. I take a couple of hours on average to make a track.

[@melanatedafrikanaquarian4687]

Very good reply, I agree!

[@pap-r2l]

1986. We had Roman technology compared to whats out now. And it took forever to make a beat. These people today never used a smpte track layering a beat track by track. Sampling at 78 rpm trying to stretch 2.5 seconds max. sampling time. And using the same 4 records over and over again coming up with different beats. The struggle was the art.

[@kirkstate]

Exactly that’s what I’m saying 💯

[@robertdyches1138]

Exactly. It would take hours to make a beat and track it out using smpte , even worse, using fsk to sync with a Tascam 488.

[@pap-r2l]

@robertdyches1138 Beautiful thing about it was that we didn't notice how limiting that was until now. 😁

[@pap-r2l]

@robertdyches1138 I used fsk in my home set up until about 2007. 😁

[@melodik-jt]

Thank you!!! I was surprised to hear the backlash. I thought he put together something cool. The critic community has gotten out of control.

[@syrhusprod]

Ur supposed to use all 3 records tho that’s what’s everyone else does

[@MichaelMiller-jg2zm]

Not true I’ve seen people with less recognition then timberland on mass appeal many occasions make 3 or 4 beats with the 3 records they got. What most them are saying is it was not enough

[@broderickmayeux]

I had the exact perspective in which you are sharing OG. The public has skewed expectation on reality.

[@jae6220]

People dislike his beat because it was lazy and people not on his level can do better with the same tools in their hand. The real problem is he calls himself “the King” and bashes other peoples beats on his beat reviews but here he is making mediocre beats himself. He should have made that beat legendary. It’s not okay to be mediocre when you claiming all tomboy claims to be and do.

[@yenthesage2717]

@@jae6220 I think you’re being unrealistic to expect that kind of result in the limited amount of time they have to create.

[@jae6220]

@ brah I’m not. You have amateur producers with full time jobs that have done their own rhythm roulette’s that made better beats. I’m not giving a Grammy winning producer sitting in a professional sound studio any credit for that weak beat he made. All that gear and years in the business and that’s the best he can do? I used to be a major Timbaland fan and I mean major. I’d buy any album that had his production on it and would argue to death that he was the best producer. Over the years it’s Timbaland own ego that really tarnished my view point of him. He could have put more work into that beat to make it sound like something. He felt he didn’t need too because he’s Timbaland. If he made a whack beat but he put effort into it I couldn’t bash. But he just threw some generic drums over an easy sample cut.

[@the_handsome_bear]

​@@jae6220 you nailed it brother. As much trash as Timbo talks on the beat reviews he should be making some super high powered fire not a basic beat anybody with basic skills can do. You would think he would make something of a higher caliber based off of his catalog and his musical taste

[@bobby4f]

Respectfully. When you get to year 35 of making beat let’s hear your 15 minute cook up

[@thablackkat9905]

Exactly

[@718King]

Appreciate the reality check KirK💯

[@akaicruise]

That beat at the end 😮 fire!! P.s the large pro was one of my favorites

[@KervinMason]

My fav one is Krit and 9th

[@Marcustrh]

With Respect. Mass Appeal had 9th Just Blaze Eric Sermon Joji shit even Mac Miller had one and it was solid. I can see where some of the comments are coming frm. Im a HUGE Just Blaze Fan and his beat was wicked. Timberland beat was lack luster to say the least.

[@x_VineM_x]

Dont forget El-P

[@djgridlock0917]

Straight Facts, thanks Kirk!!

[@DustyBeatking]

I Agree with you KirkState ! I been told , on one of my S2400 beat video , a guy comment me Saying that I should Hop on FL-Studio Instead of Mastering the S2400 . People are funny these days , Word !

[@zshakur]

Everybody's a critic, but can they create?....

[@tonychopper9142]

Fuck that. I say master what you have my brutha! These pundits will always be like you GOTTA use this DAW, or you GOTTA use this hardware. Whatever you have, MASTER THAT! It's cool to dabble in this or that, but I feel one should master SOMETHING

[@DustyBeatking]

@@tonychopper9142 true indeed brother !

[@peterbsims]

Facts. Thank you, brother.

[@ashleytvisualstv]

Thw beat thang! Lol i wanted one of those so bad lol 😂😂😂 glad i learned fruity loops first lol

[@larjlsm2803]

This guy is exactly right

[@brucejackson]

Everybody works differently and different techniques that just did not sound great and that's what people are going off off

[@maximusxxi]

Thank You! 🙏🏽 Salute 🫡

[@mossburg5559]

That beat was pure garbage😢 expected more Timberland should be ashamed of his own effort he took the first record first song and just said I'm going to do this I'm done very disappointed from a legend disappointed disappointed from a legend

[@Desnes7]

Unadulterated trash can water.

[@MrMakintosh100]

That’s why is better to not show how a beat was made. People expecting to see some Willy wonka/Nikola Tesla science behind the beats lol. It’s like showing how a magic trick was done. Once you see how the trick was done it’s not as amazing because it was so simple.

[@JEFFMAN90]

😂😂😂😂

[@thebeatrumble]

Same Dudes mad are the same dudes asking for 100 things on software update features just to turn around and make trap beats with 2 notes and an 808

[@tonychopper9142]

Right. With all they ask for in updates, if they actually get those requests, they should be able to make an r & b joint lol

[@Desnes7]

That's pretty funny.

[@danceswith7wolves]

Some folks need to check in with the internet before they decide if they like something or not. Once they saw the internet didn't approve of Timba then they simply followed suit. I saw a few of them breaking from the flock though 😉

[@At.mos.fEarProduktionz]

lol. This is true.

[@smoothsavage2870]

I was one of em lol. Nothing was wrong with the beat given the timeframe he had to make it imo. I read the comments first, then listened to what he did and was like "this why yall mad?". But i can understand why they feel some type of way about his demeanor in the video.

[@themayne6303]

@@danceswith7wolves you don’t know that

[@danceswith7wolves]

@@themayne6303 I may not know it for a fact, but the KZbin algorithm does. It's psychology. KZbin's business model is pretty much 100% based on advertising revenue and yet no one wants to believe that they have been influenced by commercials. So if none of us are influenced by outside forces then how does KZbin make its money? Try circling that square and let's see what you come up with 😉🤞

[@thablackkat9905]

I feel like ppl were more upset that Timbaland was being extremely lazy with it. He didn't even listen to the other songs or the other records. It was like he didn't even want to do it.

[@Dominant1mw]

🔥🔥🔥🔥 Nothing But Facts!!!!!

[@lvdrizzle1]

Much love fam….

[@Ru5hMusic]

PREACH bro!! 💯

[@thebookofronism.723]

These "Beat nerds" can be quite irritating.

[@bigman72511]

All I can say is THANK YOU. I've been saying this for so long and all I get is the old head response. I made my bones in the late 80s, technology was different than it is now so we had to put in extra work not realizing it was extra work. It's normal to us.

[@Trioptic3D]

💯 yessir! That O's cap tuff too. ⚫️ 🟠

[@blacklegacyassets]

Got a lot of beats that have potential... Gotta come back to it months later to add to it or flip it.

[@river718]

Hey Kirk, are you related to Donnie Simpson?

[@D84D]

Ha! righr?

[@Marvin-ut4xs]

Video soul

[@PetrolMediaInc]

I agree with you. On my videos I show that. We layered like crazy. It wasn’t just a pack available. And even when I finish it on a video, I still never make anyone think you can mix it properly in that 15 -20 minutes after you just made it.

[@kirkstate]

@@PetrolMediaInc exactly, it’s like common sense left the building when watching beat making videos

[@PetrolMediaInc]

@@kirkstate that’s actually one of the reasons I decided to create my KZbin channel and focus back on music production. I started producing back in 2001 so I have a good handle on how things used to be back in the day or even in the studio or how we used to work with artist. And I have a decent handle on how things work today. I think the problem is too many of the influencers today get a tiny bit of information and try to build an entire empire on it rather than look at the overall picture and see how things really work. So when I started my channel, I decided that if I’m gonna make content related to music production, I want to give you a realistic picture of what’s going on. Why I choose to work with hardware first before taking it into software, the creative benefits of that. No one is saying you can’t do all of these things in the box but the problem with infinite choice is that you get lost in all of that so a lot of times i think it’s easy to just default back to a loop And throw it out there and that be that. But you forget that there was a lot more going on back then and we have some amazing tools we can use today, so why not blend the best of both worlds create something even better? That’s what I’ve been doing because it is a merger of things especially when you don’t have access to all those people all those tools physically like back then today a lot of it is right there in front of you but because so many people just use loop packs and copies similar processes they’re not creating their own style. Style is very important. At the very least if you’re gonna use a loop pack turn it into something different just like we used to when you sampled a record. Don’t just take the loop and play it. Actually my latest video on the MPC studio and how I’m using it in the home studio set up I opened up an expansion pack to show a demo of how I’m using the tool and one of the tracks I opened up was one I heard on so many videos online. It has millions and millions of plays and the hilarious thing is whoever produced it. They just took the loop and explored it and I’m like wow. They didn’t even try.

[@PetrolMediaInc]

@@kirkstate sorry for the last post being so long it’s just I want the musicality to come back to production and it’s very doable.

[@Desnes7]

My problem is when producers, Timbo in particular, use the "obvious" pieces of song to sample. To me, sampling is the in betweens, the weird voice inflections of particular words in a song to sample. Pitching wayyy low and making the section u sample sound completely different from the original. Idk man, I hated that Timbo beat. Dookie water. And no I'm not successful like Tim but still, spade is a spade.

[@AlanRoscoe-b7z]

Real talk!

[@DJones21743]

I want to know why he sampled the same song that someone else used. He didn’t even make an attempt at using the other records.

[@0_qperry_0]

when is the next flip challenge it really helps me get inspo lmao

[@kirkstate]

The 24th 9pm

[@0_qperry_0]

@@kirkstate aye dope man ill be ready

[@Marvin-ut4xs]

Everybody on Tim a$$ 😂😂😂😂. I know Dr Dre ain't never doing RR

[@hdocguy4883]

😂

[@MrGST360]

Lmaoooo not Dre

[@Smugglizzle10]

Bless up Kirk🤜🏾

[@kirkstate]

Salute bro 🫡

[@Tracy-yr2ev]

Thank you!

[@bigslimentertainment5421]

9th wonder episode top tier

[@nobodyxxxxxxxx]

The hate was mostly directed at him stealing beats from his club. He straight f'd people over hard

[@dopeMike_]

Real talk.

[@MallardDuckFabric]

This video made me smile. We really need to get back to theory !!

[@zshakur]

Excellent post. Spot on with everything you said! I thought it was a hot joint too. Timbo did his thing-thing. Peace n Love to you and yours.

[@ChannelForbus]

they could have kept that bullshit. Timbaland is over

[@bernardkyser2027]

Finally someone mention The process of the back in the day beat makers, like you said back in the day there wasn't all these source sites. We would have our parents collection of music or hit the record store for hours, I remember Dj's would put together what I would call sample tapes. It's mostly these cats from another persuasion trying to make it seems like they set the standers. Most these cats talking the most stuff was born in the mid nineties, had a uncle, brother or some old school cat that was part of a music / Hip-Hop seen or rap group and they saw how things was done, as fare as putting together beats by using a sampler. Even now there's youtube videos that would show you how to use old gear like the famouse ASR-10 still a great machine. I still have the rack mount one and still use it in some cases especially for the effects AMmAaZzing.

[@RodneyRicoWillis]

Yo Kirk, so I went and watched it after seeing ur vid. I don't understand the comments 🤦. U can even hear him vocalizing other melodies as he's making the beat 😂. Wtf these people expect in a short form video? I seen an interview where (i forgot who) said they passed on the House of Pain Jump around beat but they had heard it before the horn sound was added. I say that to say people gotta know beats get a lot of time to cook before we hear them for public consumption.

[@kirkstate]

Facts lots of things go into the process and that’s what made many of the “greats” beats sound spectacular

[@touch182]

You're speakin fax

[@Malbam55]

Hit boy killed it too! 🔥

[@RattleCanCollective]

I couldn’t even believe they put him on the new series. I had to double check and make sure it was actually Mass Appeal. Beatclub got me sour on Tim…

[@nickgilday8946]

Yea I feel you, and all this was to him was a beatclub promo clearly. I don't think anyone cared that the beat was not a platinum hit, they cared that he seemed to be there for one reason only - to promote his business. That's how I felt at least. I was like ah yea I get it, you doing your obligated task that allows you to do what you really wanted and get your business some shine

[@RattleCanCollective]

@ FACTS

[@DeeMaxum]

Half the comments these days are bots and trolls...I don't trust any of them anymore

[@Therealjjpccd]

I need a beat do you do custom beats?

[@kirkstate]

All day 🫡 send an email

[@OckwordProductions]

Facts

[@MPC3000Master]

PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@SimonPhoenix3]

The dudes complaining are never dope

[@lee_drifting]

people need to look into smk, the man that impacted timbalands drum style in the late 90s. he also taught dj squeeky and i think dj paul from three 6 mafia how to make beats. (a lot of pauls old drums and samples came from smk)

[@themayne6303]

Unfortunately timbaland did exactly what I expected in that episode that’s why I didn’t heavily anticipate it. Dude made that beat like he was under a 3 minute clock

[@MichaelSmith-mb1gm]

"You ain't slide this"! Hahahaha!

[@nene-music-official]

The beat was cool and he did his thing. But most comments read as disappointed that he disregarded the two other records and picked the first sample heard. Which is the point of the roulette I think from what other producers have done. I wonder if the editing did him dirty too because it felt spliced together very quick Appreciate your insight OG respect

[@jeremythompson6822]

I wish he had done something with all three albums instead of just the one.

[@jjbing3]

I wasn’t feeling the beat, but I wasn’t sh*tting on it. I don’t expect Timbo to even sample. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@manatee_flips6811]

This Timberland shit is a perfect example of how awful the internet can be....LONG LIVE KIRK STATE!!

[@nickgilday8946]

It's okay to make a bad beat... Shit some "bad" is "great" to others. It was that he just didn't seem to care one way or the other. I walked away asking "why did he even do that?" and then you saw the beatclub stuff and the beatclub mentions he made.. and then I knew why he was there.

[@ProdBySxB]

Most of the beats that we thought timbaland produced were actually produced by Danja and others, he’s in question, and that beat he made on rhythm roulette was weak it ain’t helping his case 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kirkstate]

Do you think Missy Elliot could’ve helped in this situation lol

[@drindy5166]

1:45 facts 💯% 👊🧡👍

[@MartinMartin-xm8xs]

💯

[@tjmanou6422]

100%

[@101iswhatsup]

The El -P episode and Erick Sermon episode was dope. I think Timbaland should have chose a different song off the album. Kanye already flipped that Gil Scott sample well.

[@davido3109]

Booooommmmmm 🤔!!!

[@The4thLetter]

The beat sounded cool, the only problem I had was it wasn't mixed much at all. That kick was killing me.

[@danceswith7wolves]

@@The4thLetter lol I heard that kick sample and was like bro choose that? 🤮

[@jhsmith1183]

Mr porter and hitek were my favorites.

[@pedrol8234]

Word

[@deanivan3951]

This is why they should have never shown behind the curtain. Too much access nowadays!

[@ToniOhNo]

It’s not that serious 😭 now we trashing Timbaland?! A LEGEND?! People be wanting a full blow hit made on Rhythm Roulette 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Harlem-Instrumental]

Many of them grew up on KZbin beat making videos like Kirk said. Tim could've put in more heart & soul into it.

[@kirkstate]

💯

[@HermanRoth]

As a former Timbo fan, ageeed comments aren't fair. He doesn't dig anymore & has a whole team now. 9th wonder's episode was 🔥 but ive never heard a 9th beat from scratch - no samples. Best producers will always be actual musicians especially, multi-instrumentalists

[@substance806]

yet the best right nowis metro boomin and he not instrumentalist lol this hip hop it will always be samples involed if u dnt like it go make opera music bozzzzoooo

[@JEFFMAN90]

Wrong. A lot of these keyboard producers make wack ass beats. Sampled based beats are the best

[@nduetyme6623]

That beat was corny

[@themayne6303]

@@nduetyme6623 he’s corny

[@manatarmsslaps]

Bruh!!!!! Now you preaching .. been saying that... Hell a lot of stuff back then #1 happened by accident #2 the accident sounded good so you added to it #3 you used what you had. I love J. Dilla but I can guarantee to you a lot of his stuff happened in that same manner ... I started on an ASR-10 and you used to its max and made it work..

[@Indensity]

Sometimes a banger comes out sometimes it’s not. You’re right don’t judge

[@Tb125ll]

The beats from Erick Sermon, Kid Capri and Thes One

[@smoothsavage2870]

I read the comments first. When i heard the beat he made, i didnt understand the issue. I get that he went with something more comfortable for him, but most producers do that.

[@DanielIvan707]

How did he not know the album? The song? 😮 Hasn’t he been know to have ghost producers?

[@At.mos.fEarProduktionz]

From the beat making process to the editing and mixing and mastering. Doing it all is not easy but it’s not impossible. I think I get a good sound all on my own. Because we all don’t have loads of money to pay for these services… am I right. lol.

[@funguuy]

real hiphop still going strong love to see it