Beatstars f*cked up

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[@ThirdWorldBeatz]

This is like the shaderoom for producers and people are loving it lol Keep it up bro!

[@HoodRichForbesList]

We're def here for it!😂

[@SauceBoyBeats]

Sales are definitely down since they made these changes. I have a lot of international customers who used stripe to pay so that's been a major hit to my sales. Hope they introduce the stripe replacement soon.

[@wastepreserve]

12% service charge is insane

[@PBen1]

The BeatStars AI is trained on beatmakers' production, according to the press release they put out July 25th ("BeatStars and Lemonaide Form Strategic Alliance") - "the AI is trained through a voluntary community of producers who are compensated for sharing their work, and whose feedback is openly encouraged. As Batshon points out, “Our approach, as always, is to treat our community as partners.”"

[@prod.byPatrickRdot]

that's insane. it reminds me of the writers/actors strike going on rn and how Hollywood wants to pay actors for one day to scan their face then use it however they want. I wonder how much the producers got paid

[@JoelVega]

Airbit has fee ranging from 10% to 40% starting August 1st this year. So Beatstars are not the only ones doing it, this is why I think it's here to stay.

[@SOO100BRAND]

I dont get why people don't have their own website. Best decision i ever made years ago.

[@Yoloslides]

You can do both. But the automatic traffic and ease of use makes something like Beatstars easier for the common person. However, that doesn't mean you can't use it as a means of funneling your customer base to your own site gradually.

[@KennyKashBeatz]

Bro I been looking do you have any plugs

[@SOO100BRAND]

@KennyKashBeatz yes on my website

[@prod_zelby]

how do you create license agreements for each sale on your site?

[@Primo_extracts]

I feel like that excuse has been used by corporations a lot recently. For instance, General electric just raised their monthly billing by 17% and blamed it on their lack of charging their customers for the last 15 or so years. I called bullshit. Not only do I think it's simply an excuse to charge us more money but it's also a nasty way of turning the reasoning onto its customers. As we owe them something for covering the bill for all those years. When the reality is (as long as they're not lying) it's their mistake and something they should learn from. Not ours as a community. I think it would be very interesting video to go undercover and see if they really were making the "mistake" of not charging customers for taxes. Thanks for this insightful video.

[@kaislate]

The fact they "can't use stripe" is super sus. For one, there is really no other option as stripe controls pretty much the entire world's backend payment processing. They could start using parallel economy, but I doubt they would. There are other ways to bypass stripe by using essentially legalized money laundering by using jump gate banks that obfuscate the stripe transactions for them as a mediator. This is similar to what weed dispensaries do, but generally those "banks" don't last long and you have to find a new one quite regularly. Stripe not being able to "handle" the traffic is utter crap. There is another reason stripe is refusing them and I think that is more important to figure out than any of the other things.

[@siemspark]

or stripe doesn't support the 12% fee

[@kaislate]

@@siemspark haha funny. Maybe, though... the only way this would be plausible is that if the "fee" was being charged by the payment provider, but there was a separate kickback from the payment provider. This situation is highly unlikely cuz it is just far simpler to charge whatever fee you want to for whatever reason without involving the payment processor having to reimburse you through some other method. Also, stripe doesn't care about what fees you charge or anything like that. What they care about is being sued or an agency having the motivation to look into their dealings closer. They make so much money. They don't care about paying their way out of anything, they would rather just not have the attention brought toward them. This is why I believe beatstars has something else going on.

[@siemspark]

@@kaislate well the fee shows up on my paypal receipts so...

[@kaislate]

paypal only charges beatstar the normal 2.9% +30 cents merch account fee, anything extra is a money grab.

[@AyyeBC]

@@kaislate im leaving BeatStars today, I don’t even care about the services fee, it’s the 180 day money hold before you can receive your money, I made 2 sales this week and I can’t even cash out, I can’t see the money on my PayPal or BeatStars wallet

[@ArkaydeTheSage]

It probably should’ve been a flate rate. Idk why so many ppl were quick to suggest covering the new fee themselves. 🙃

[@damiana5268]

Sounds like a few people said it, and they were probably shareholders

[@yogicbeats]

it’s because the people making the website run (the producers), know that any rate/fee for the customer will reduce sales. we would earn more overall if we swallowed the fee ourselves, not our customers. This argument is based on the FACT, that if a product/service is more expensive, it WILL cause less people to purchase. They are doing it because they are greedy. Full stop.

[@MusicNick]

Beatstars has been BS from the start. I have a video from 4+ years ago probably on my channel mad at them for letting you upload beats with the free download in exchange for KZbin sub for MONTHS after the functionality was broken and never told anyone. That corporate presentation BS was the most insincere shit I’ve ever seen

[@therealdjslim]

This is so wild! Beatstars has a Joint Venture with Sony Publishing. What happened to all that money they got from Sony! haha Damn! Did they charge them service fees! haha

[@HoodRichForbesList]

🤫😂

[@divine_architek]

Beatstars is scamming producers more and more. First with their promo that primarily targets other producers. Then with their adverts saying all you have to do to grow as a producer is just post consistently on their platform. Now even if you do pay for their subscription, you still have to pay a percentage. With how much producers tend to get screwed in this industry you would think that the platform made for them wouldn't be scamming them and yet here we are. What a shame.

[@jinnybeats]

I noticed that I tried promo and the only people interacting with it from the promotions where other producers, like what???

[@divine_architek]

@@jinnybeats Exactly. I paid hundreds for promo and most of the impressions are from other producers. It has become clear that their bottom line isn't from helping producers grow by showing their tracks to potential clients but from making as much money as they can from producers trying to make a living. How scummy.

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

massive "wanna speak to your manager wheres my refund"

[@tearperth]

Is there a fee for analog warmth?

[@forsale313]

No but....every time they make $500 off you they do send you a Vaseline T-Shirt! LOL

[@keejay12]

Enjoyed this video because of how you broke it down. I asked a bunch of people and no one could explain a damn thing

[@Simeon2247]

DJ churpy over here with that mic. Love your videos weaver

[@MaxOstilio]

need a beatclub video next

[@AbstractCatsMedia]

THe next sound our generation...if by that you mean "Next corporate Product.."

[@tquality_beatz]

laughing at the same time crying 😂😂😂

[@PhutureCollective]

AH BAET STARSSSS

[@damienharrison1]

Happens just when I start making beats, story of my life :/

[@yusumemusic]

Corporations try not to make the most unlikable decision ever that will ultimately lead to them losing costumers (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@ARRRGgHHHHHHh]

Change is good

[@fentanyljones6956]

In all fairness to beatstars EVERYTHING is WAAAAAY more expensive since COVID.

[@wrkeys]

That's Curtis Kings forehead, I recognize that forehead anywhere😂😂😂😂

[@Rmcbeatz.]

Good thing is the pro page doesn’t charge a fee so just use your own website

[@TheReal5limeB4by]

Great video man thank you

[@JayfkProductions876]

That 12% will mess things up between seller & buyer 🤦‍♂️

[@Flyersfan1894]

Tin hat here... But what if Beatstars never actually tracked sales taxes on any of their transactions. And instead, they got audited, and were forced to cover the taxes, leading them to find more cash from their customers.

[@superhobo500]

🙄 interesting theory

[@ilikeitmendez]

that a.i program thing was good one time i used it and trash every other time

[@SonicVibe]

back to selling mix-tapes out the trunk of my car

[@flashmagic99]

MPC portion, was that for Ave Mcree? LOL

[@ViralRiddimsSocaBeatStore]

If i get the pro page will my customers still have to pay the fee ?

[@TayajohMusic]

I don’t believe so

[@ViralRiddimsSocaBeatStore]

@@TayajohMusic ok

[@Boderick_McNeil]

Oh 😮yea Baby

[@LegacyBeats]

Stripe handles billions of dollars of payments. It's used by almost every online business. I assure you beatstars moving off Stripe was because they want to charge some sort of 3% fee. Producers are getting nickled and dimed from every angle.

[@christheghostwriter]

Trained on, not "trained off." Based on, not "based off of."

[@HankHillspimphand]

Trying to boost numbers in the short term to be sold to The private conglomerate like inmusic?

[@raycharles704]

Why isn’t beat stars letting me buy a beat like it won’t let me purchase it at all keeps telling me to try again

[@TayajohMusic]

Were you able fix the issues?

[@Kin_G_JLab]

Yeah, good job.

[@JacquesLeChat]

RIP Josh

[@prodilablitz]

can confirm about the exiting out of shopping part, sales have been heavily down since the update and havent been getting better

[@verleinn]

Bro I’m having the same problem. Could you fix it?

[@teebee5026]

ayo who is that in the thumbnail at 2:58

[@TheGoatBeats]

Nobody will pay the extra fee , so hello “Professional Plan”,

[@superdopesamples]

8:08 😂😂😂

[@stephenallenmusic]

They should change it 12% to 3% so it looks like a regular sale tax to the customers 12% is too high

[@DavidMadeira29]

Not that tablet, Andrew, uh?! Your version of Dr. Dre plays more Slash than I'd recall beating on Janet's ring bell. I wouldn't use Cif on that headphones, those flat were cleaner at least. Yummy, uh?! Finished a lift, there it goes another. I remember better than you wished for. Why headphones?! I don't know. Namastè.

[@amindamok]

damnit. i pressed like and now im 12% more broke.

[@AbstractCatsMedia]

MORE TAXES?!?! gEEZ! LOL

[@JhazzyMusic]

It’s time to have my own website. Beatstar ain’t doing shit for me

[@ViiNO_music]

Not exactly true. Everyone uses beatstars because of the contract things

[@JhazzyMusic]

@@ViiNO_music well. There’ll be a way to design a website to autogenerate the contracts after payment is madd. I’ll surely figure it out

[@ekids.bassment]

@@ViiNO_music I literally know nobody that uses beatstars, and I'm 30+ years in the music industry. So claiming everyone uses it, is bogus

[@wrkeys]

@@ViiNO_musicwhat you mean because of the contracts things. Anyone can develope they're own contracts. I mean convenience is there, if they wanna pay for it

[@wrkeys]

@@JhazzyMusicI'm working on forgiving that out as well.

[@fadethechannel]

4:16 it’s a percentage because, as you said, they claimed they had been paying the taxes. Taxes (on goods and services) are a percentage, not a flat rate. Unless i’m missing something lol

[@Weaverbeats]

The taxes are a separate issue though, unless they are using the service fee to pay for taxes. In which case wtf just charge for taxes.

[@fadethechannel]

@@Weaverbeatslol I agree. Their basically pulling a reverse small-scale Apple App store move. They should charge it to the beat sellers and not the customers imo. Unless there’s a charge to them to for the same transaction?

[@NewMateo]

Still doesnt make sense as taxation fees vary by state / country.

[@JimJones4Life]

@@Weaverbeats my state doesn't even tax digital goods but are beat leases taxed like a license in other states? The fee just sounds like a cash grab to me.

[@kabirchoudhary1359]

weaver really going after that youtube bag with these multiple daily videos

[@ZonymaUnltd.]

And it’s pretty good content too.

[@wastepreserve]

i'm a fan

[@jesulona7651]

Our boy’s grinding

[@wm1573]

Probably getting like 2 cents per video with these numbers unfortunately

[@Sayiiid]

​@@wm1573 nah he probably gets like a 4-5 rpm based off his reaction to Benn Jordan's earnings

[@AbstractCatsMedia]

Most beautifu... LOL

[@Darioz941]

Bye bye Beatstars

[@jrvinwav]

is the system broken ? don't fix something that aint broke...

[@damiana5268]

Brand new pyramid scam just dropped.

[@IlatazaBanYasharahlaEL]

Simple resolve would be for producers to have their own sites. But most have this "All the customers are on BeatStars" mentality as if they don't have the ability to drive traffic to their own site.

[@christheghostwriter]

Any suggestions about driving traffic?

[@IlatazaBanYasharahlaEL]

@@christheghostwriter I'm not gonna sale you short. I learned how to drive traffic by taking an online marketing course. I would suggest learning from Russell Brunson or Billy Gene Is Marketing. Take a course from one of them, and you're on your way.

[@soundgrips]

They should have their own website and then sign up for the cheap membership to keep their tracks on the marketplace. They should sign up for multiple marketplaces and keep the ones that are profitable.

[@CMak3r]

Read title as beastars, got confused for a minute

[@superhobo500]

They act like hosting a beat for 1000$ weighs more than a beat selling for 20$ 😂…. If you do a percentage at least put a cap on it. Like maybe 20$

[@bezzabransound]

oops

[@johnathanbeats]

watching videos seeing if i should go marketplace or pro. Im going to look in to other company's to see if any is better.

[@erneste-3williams]

Subbed

[@mauriziomauricone]

Well… they didn’t pay their taxes and now they are fined hence the 12% buyers fee 😂

[@sleaks414]

how could they have been "paying for taxes" not every state has internet tax I'm in Wisconsin and we just got internet tax a few years back but we didn't always have it smh so how were they "paying" for that?

[@itscamerontaylor]

It’s time for a Beatstars competitor to rise up.

[@Somanybeats]

We are the competitors. We can make our own websites. Don't need them at all

[@crossout6816]

I’ll be launching one very soon

[@itscamerontaylor]

@@Somanybeats agreed. Ideally if you can be independent and cut out the middleman, that’s the way to go.

[@TommyHydra]

oh well you got traktrain already. 0 fees + crypto/stripe/paypal payments

[@arnaudnieuwoudt5211]

I'm working on it, development is almost complete. It will be called MusiCollectiv

[@jahhjojo]

Scam stars 😤

[@tapdaddy69]

I'm kinda confused. I thought beatstars was pocketing the service fee. Rather, I sold a $20 mp3 lease through the marketplace this morning, and was surprised to see that $22.34 hit my PayPal. Was this the intended function? Or was this a bug? I have a feeling I wasn't supposed to get the money from the service fee but I'm not complaining lol

[@LorneSound]

Nice to find you here Tap, enjoy the service fee lol

[@LorneSound]

Probably they'll withdraw that fee later tho 😔

[@tapdaddy69]

@@LorneSoundYo Lorne my guy! Fancy bumping into you here. It's been a minute

[@tapdaddy69]

Yeah fingers crossed they just let it be@@LorneSound

[@LorneSound]

@@tapdaddy69 Nice you remember me:) I've been totally on myself rn but always informed about what's going on in the producer world, I'll get back as an artist soon and you will be the first to know 😎👌

[@Super-id7bq]

You'd be interested to know I'm getting slammed by garbage Unison Audio plugin ads on your videos now lol

[@cokomairena]

There has to be a competition site soon

[@TommyHydra]

already there, called traktrain.

[@urbantechbrourban9630]

nah....this some bullshit......but it even more bullshit if Ya sell a Big Money Beat....Why would anybody wanna giv up 100 bucks on a 1000 lease when hell...lets Just do this off this site and save the money.....Beat stars messed up thats for sure....oh well.... and the world moves on

[@davesnothear]

I subscribed due to the “Sarcasm” 😂

[@talldarkstrangerpr]

*sarcasm*

[@beatbuildersstudio]

The way he said "cooking up" it sounded so fake to me. Like he doesn't know what it means but hears producers saying it

[@LIFEWITHZIGHI]

nooooooouuuww

[@buckycore]

Made it to the end. One of your best, bruv. I'd never use the service because I'm not trying to be a beat maker (just straight up song writer in various genres that involve cool synths and rad beats) But this type of thing applies to all the subscription based business in the industry. As well as the shit show known as "streaming services" They all come.out of the gate hard, providing people with services, and/or software (or bomb ass shows and movies) And then once we have grown so dependant on their shit... they're like "Oh hey, sorry. Looks like this was not sustainable after all. my bad..so we're going to have to scale way back on what we originally have been offering and charge you more. it's not you, it's me. And I'll always love you. Unless you cancel your subscription, in which case: fuck you. We'll charge you an early termination fee"

[@EDP_beats]

Damn... I hit the Like before knowing about the fee 🤦 Great video my man!

[@paulcaskey]

Didn't know "beats" were a thing until just now. I always thought his channel name meant he beat the competition. Hmm.

[@sirmerc]

Come on now bro….

[@AAllinsonNN]

@@sirmerc r/whoosh

[@sirmerc]

@@AAllinsonNN 😉

[@SumnSumnSumnHTK]

If the average sales tax is between 7-10 percent in America then a 12 percent fee seems feasible. If you started your own site legally you'd have to pay that 7-10 percent plus hosting/site fees. If you consider yourself a business you must understand there's a cost of doing business.

[@adyelnoyhadryel7930]

I always say, if you rely on man for a platform, you'll always get screwed over. You think beat stars needs to charge more shit? It's just about the money

[@i.q_music]

😅

[@magillsk8]

😂 so I gotta pay to host my beats, AND pay a service fee **if** I sell them ? Thats their solution ? Might as well just make our own websites at that point lmao. This is the same strategy Uber used when their business began failing and it did not stop the failure from happening.

[@isaac.anthony]

This is what happens thanks to capitalism. The bigger a company gets, the more greedy they get. Fees go up, and service will go down.

[@remnow]

So he spent the sony investment on himself and now wants others to cover the tab? Sorry I'm reading between the lines... what else I miss?

[@illyph9963]

The next sound of our generation on beat stars?….so more trap😂😂

[@kaislate]

Beat makers and the people that buy then are like 3d printing. People don't want to buy their own 3d printer so they pay for someone else to print up a piece of plastic for them.

[@jean_voyage]

Thanks for calling out that ‘type beat’ ish that’s been infesting social media

[@RarityArchive]

This is why i use traktrain lmao

[@Parsa0]

to be honest, covering a 12% fee as the producer is not as bad as it seems. most music labels take 70% and other marketplaces (like Steam, etc.) take a 30% cut BEFORE taxes.

[@AbstractCatsMedia]

No

[@NVsionbeatz]

i set the exclusive rights on one of my beats for $9,999 cause i didn't have the wav file cause i used the soundcloud mastering and i coudln't take the tags out of the better sounding version with the soundcloud mastering

[@godinasenze5303]

no

[@LiminalStvte]

They saw What happened when Waves tried the same thing, So now they working on the current Gens Weakness.

[@talldarkstrangerpr]

Well, it will also mean less “producers” on this platform.

[@musicproductionbrauns2594]

nobody buy my beats anyway 🤪

[@suprgamr92]

bro, am i freaking out or does anyone else hear that weird constant chirping noise his mic is picking up/making??? NGL it makes it hard to keep watching cuz its distracting

[@thevoxexperimenter]

just stop complaining and sell beats on your own

[@TheRealKP3]

No…

[@DJDigitalJosh]

Beatstar users it's time to switch to airbit.

[@DJSockmonkeyMusic]

No. Just no. All over, no.

[@AbstractCatsMedia]

Yes, I'd like to buy some pickled beats, please...

[@kristianTV1974]

The whole Midi/sample/preset pack has been a bunch of crap for years now.

[@hiddenleafbeats]

This spokesman gives me Busy Works vibes 😅 Everybody speaks so overblown about music production nowadays.

[@SirFreak]

Glad I moved on from Beatstars a year ago.

[@zloboslav_]

nah... i just make my own beats lmao XD