beetlejuice 2 might be better than the original 📖💚👻 (beetlejuice beetlejuice review)

[@solcarlosofficial]

For me I didn’t love Lydia having the same makeup and outfit as in the first film. I feel like as we grow our style changes too. And she could still keep the goth vibes but evolved. It took me out because I felt like Winona was cosplaying as 15 year old Lydia. But all the other costumes were great.

[@TheMuseSway]

Totally agree.

[@foxroxy86]

I think that’s supposed to signify her being stuck and struggling mentally. She clearly has trauma.

[@DrDeadsy42]

I see it as a symbol of her being stuck in the persona she created for her show. Also, pretty much every character in this movie is either a symbol for Burton himself or a reference. With only Beetlejuice himself as an exception, he‘s the wildcard in the Burtonverse.

[@JB-ux6tf]

Not to mention she was changing a bit at the end of the original film and seemed upbeat and positive with her new ghost friends helping her with her school. Totally did not expect that Lydia

[@ZeinaIan]

I agree, It also didn't make sense cause they showed her with different looks ln the photo album Astrid found, so she clearly hasn't kept her teenage look the whole time according to the movies lore.

[@trinaq]

I wished that they'd utilised Monica Bellucci more, as her character seemed intriguing, as did her past with Beetlejuice, but it ultimately went nowhere. Same goes for Willem Dafoe, perhaps the bulk of their scenes ended up on the cutting room floor?

[@MaeArt725]

Honestly thought she’d end up playing a bigger role in the movie but they just got rid of her so quickly ://

[@TheSpookychick]

It would have been a great subversion if she had the power to suck the sandworm dry and in turn, grew into the size of one. That would have been a compelling, pretty comedic final fight.

[@Jackattack359]

Yes, it would definitely warrant being placed front and centered on the poster (I mean, Dafoe was off to the side, but still)

[@blueblack3591]

I actually disagree. I think tgey should have been removed completly. They added nothing to the story in my opinion

[@Jackattack359]

@@blueblack3591 I think that’s the point they were trying to make

[@trinaq]

I liked the over the top way they wrote off Charles, which befits the campy humour, while making their disdain for Jeffrey Jones clear. Also, Michael Keaton is in his 70s now, and still has boundless energy as Beetlejuice.

[@NoahSmith-r7u]

I do too. I use to like Jeffrey Jones. That was before he became a sex offender.

[@izzyc127]

Not gonna lie, that boyfriend that Astrid was dating felt like a copy paste character of Tyler from Netflix’s Wednesday. I also thought that Monica Bellucci should have been the main antagonist because she was underused and I wasn’t a fan of Delia deetz being killed off. EDIT: On one hand, I did like the call backs to the original movie because I jumped for joy when Lydia was wearing her red dress.

[@jislanecarrasquillo9849]

I was thinking the same thing too! 😮😮😮 Same mannerisms, voice, bland personality, and oddly enough, curly hair.

[@izzyc127]

@@jislanecarrasquillo9849 if I had a nickel for every time Jenna Ortega played a dark and brooding character who dated a boy that was revealed to be a sadistic monster, I would have two nickels! Which is weird since it has happened twice!

[@jislanecarrasquillo9849]

@@izzyc127 Literally! LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

[@anthonyl_2032]

@@izzyc127technically four nickels as it is the same shit with the scream movies

[@TheSpookychick]

I still think Monica should have sucked the life out of the sandworm, absorbed its energy, grown to its size, and then had a face-off with Beetlejuice and company THAT way. She succumbed far too easily after being built up as a big baddie.

[@PurpleMoonFlute]

They build up Bellucci's character to have this huge showdown with Beetlejuice, but she didn't really do much other than just stand there and get eaten by the worm. It was kind of disappointing. I wanted to know more about her.

[@gabrielleporter553]

I don’t know if it was better…. i think the humor was on point and i could see an argument that this film is on par with the first film, but i’m not sure about better. I think the story was a bit cramped with all the unnecessary characters which held it back from fully excelling past the first movie. There was a lot of potential in this movie with Astrid’s story if we got to spend more time with the core characters

[@TheDeonJackson]

Agreed

[@trinaq]

I agree, I wished that they'd expanded Astrid's storyline, and gotten rid of unnecessary plots.

[@TheDeonJackson]

@@trinaq her bonding with ol boy more while growing resentment towards her potential new step dad would drive her to blindly believe she would see her dad ya know?

[@perfectlysamanthareviews]

It sounds like you’re nostalgic for the original and can’t see it objectively

[@gabrielleporter553]

i didnt watch this movie growing up so i dont really have any nostalgia for it... did you read my comment? I liked the movie. Im just sharing my thoughts on what could've improved it

[@bhelm847]

I agree, to many villains. I think if they cut out the soul stealer, they could have flesher out Rory and Jeremy better, maybe show how both of them are manipulative. Beetlejuice didn't need more backstory.

[@maddygullotta2551]

I wish hollywood would realize that cartoonie/cool characters are popular in part because of their mystery. E.g Jack Sparrow, Willie Wonka, Doc (back to the future), etc etc. Who are they? idk exactly. But theyre here and doing shinanigans. As soon as they're given back stories it ruins them, imo. This is double true for moral gray characters or fun villains.

[@derekbos4404]

​@@maddygullotta2551its 400 times true for Darth Vader!!

[@toriyt2714]

No one mentions how Jenna Ortega character gave nothing. It felt like she shot all her scenes in one day. Her character had no character at all. Jenna was purely for the aesthetic.

[@biscuitb0y57]

Also so she could talk about protesting and feminism. the plot relevant things are: get stuck in the afterlife because she wanted to date Tyler from Wednesday because he reads books, but that really just happens so we can have the two most important characters interact with eachother, makes Lydia feel bad which she already was cuz she just lost her dad, and is getting married to someone who doesn’t love her, and is seeing Beetlejuice, and she finds a loophole in the contract that doesn’t really make sense.

[@alanguages]

Wednesday Addams type of character would have made more sense in the movie.

[@matesafranka6110]

Well, if the rule is that people who commit suicide become civil servants in the afterlife, that doesn't necessarily mean that _only_ they do. It would have been a bigger plot hole to see someone who committed suicide and didn't become a civil servant.

[@foxroxy86]

I think all suicides become civil servants but not all suicides are civil servants.

[@Lovedlittledove]

@@foxroxy86I know what you meant

[@howmanybeansmakefive]

They actually did take into account the suicide-civil servant thing. When we first see Beetlejuice reading the newspaper, there's a headline along the lines of "civil servants being wrongly assigned suicide at death".

[@blueminto7]

I can see why they wouldn't replicate this detail in the 2024 version, with suicide being a much more sensitive topic than it was in the 80s. I showed my friends the first movie a few weeks ago and they gasped at all the suicide jokes.

[@PurpleMoonFlute]

Beetlejuice forcing her to marry him again was kind of just a redundant point, but I have to admit that this wedding scene was kind of nice, actually. Beetlejuice put a lot more effort into trying to be romantic this time.

[@giancarlooliveri9321]

as someone who lived on the original movie, i was horrified (yet excited) seeing the trailer. it’s one of my favorite movies ever, i was praying they’d do a good job, i seriously couldn’t deal with another shitty cash-grab sequel/requel/reboot (mean girls i’m looking at you). i was laughing, crying, and screaming during this movie. sure it wasn’t perfect but it had FUN. it took RISKS. it was ORIGINAL. it didn’t take itself too seriously and when it did, it hit hard. the fact that this movie exists at all is enough for me. i don’t want perfection, but i want to have fun, and this movie did exactly that.

[@riffraffrichard]

I agree one thing I really liked about the film was it didn’t take itself to seriously. A lot of time sequels to films especially ones that are classics from long ago end up having too much hubris and stop being playful. While not everything landed great in this film there was enough risk and chaotic energy to make it feel fun. The original is a daft campy film with a good heart and I think this one managed to keep this kind of spirit alive.

[@agen_dior]

The murder boy Astrid falls for reminded me WAY too much of Tyler and Wednesday’s relationship in like a cheap fast fashion kind of way! It’s clear to me Tim sees Jenna Ortega as a very specific type which is unfortunate because I happen to think she’s very good Plus his anticlimactic death made me question why he was even there at all! Delores is this films black cupcake, beautiful and delicious with no substance! She is stunning! Her black wedding dress and long black hair are a major envy for me! And the whole sense where she’s stapling herself back together is so visually compelling that you can’t take your eyes off of it ! It’s a damn shame she had no real part in this movie!

[@mariperalta81]

RIGHT?? i knew it reminded me of something!! like why didn't we just make the reason astrid goes to the netherworld be because beetlejuice convinces her she can see her dad or something?? why'd we have to introduce this nobody

[@Lalalalala629]

I just rewatched Wednesday so I’m here to say the guy IS Tyler with a different actor!! The lines, outfit, the reveal are all exactly the same. Even the way he acted when his truth was revealed was exactly the same.

[@agen_dior]

The response the criticism that Tim Burton gets for not featuring BIPOC characters in his works being the ‘Soul train’ is upsetting!

[@xXMilkyMeadowsXx]

The set up of the movie could've been so much shorter. I have no clue why we spent so long trying to get all the pieces in place for the rest of the plot because it really felt like the writers were like "we need this thing to happen later so how do we get there? Lets just take the audience on this journey with us cause we need to pad the runtime" the final act was the most entertaining so I'm glad there was big payoff for what I had to sit through earlier. Movie was trying to do much with too many things. They wanted to do some sort of commentary on different generations of women dealing with loss but it was buried in everything else that was going on. They had like 3 scripts and smushed them together haphazardly. Because they were focusing on so many stories, all of them felt underdeveloped and rushed. Also if it was about motherhood and powerful women why didn't we get a scene with Lydia making the point that Barbara Maitland was a much more impactful mother figure for her??? Delia was just sort of there. There was such a strong message of found family in the first on that this second one ignores. It seems like this sequel is pushing the narrative that "your family is your family deal with it". I also have to point out that they give the audience a problem - Lydia can't see Atrid's father- and the when we finally meet the father they don't ask about that at all. Leaving the answer to why she can't see him up in the air. They pretty much give the audience a plot hole that didn't need to be there. Overall I was really frustrated while watching the movie because the atmosphere is on point. The score is on point. The special effects are on point. The performances are on point. They just gave us a horribly messy and convoluted story.

[@LaBellesGrace]

The father did make a small comment during his reunion with Astrid and Lydia that he didn’t want them to see him, but it’s so easy to miss.

[@carag2567]

I haven't seen it yet, planning to this weekend. But I found your comment really helpful and insightful about what to expect. Nothing actually spoiled, sharp observations, valid points, and deliciously well written. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about this! 😊

[@kikihernandez410]

@@LaBellesGracethanks! I missed him saying that. At first I thought he was alive in the Amazon and it was going to be another plot in the movie

[@spac3g1rl]

I thought Lydia couldn’t see him because he wasn’t actually dead so Astrid would get regretful of how she treated her mom and the dad at some point would appear. Maybe he was in the limbo or something, and they would go on a trip to save him at the end and they would bond, getting a better mother-daughter relationship

[@laurabowles]

@@spac3g1rl same! As soon as she said "they searched for him in the Amazon but never found him," I thought, OK, the reason Lydia can't see him is because he isn't actually dead. But then he was. So.....?

[@NameLessSayLess]

This movie felt like my ADHD brain. I thought I would've liked it but all the plot points didn't feel important come the end - it was all empty with meh references to the original like 'hey guys remember this?? If ykyk LOL'. I usually end up preferring sequels but man I felt like this film was like Marvel trying to write a Tim Burton film, the humour was missed. The plus is that the quirkiness all remained the same and CGI didnt take over the dead people's costumes. It's not bad but it's not great. A solid meh 5/10 from me Edit: based on others feedback the POC stereotypes werent great either. I could see that they were trying to do with the 'soul train' but it comes across as ignorant, and the asian laundromat just isnt necessary

[@howmanybeansmakefive]

They actually did take into account the suicide-civil servant thing. When we first see Beetlejuice(?) reading the newspaper, there's a headline along the lines of "civil servants being wrongly assigned suicide at death".

[@yanderefangirl8317]

Maybe some of the civil servants, as we’ve seen, were people who died in highly preventable ways (like doing your own stunts and going to a jungle with man-eating fish).

[@depressedcakke3877]

The only reason I think Delores was important was bc of that iconic scene where she puts herself together to Tragedy. The choreography, the effects, the music, the lighting- just amazing

[@Jackattack359]

@@depressedcakke3877 so basically just Sally but not really?

[@depressedcakke3877]

@@Jackattack359 Sally, but more realistic and with better music imo

[@Jackattack359]

@@depressedcakke3877 I see

[@heathernicblu]

I wonder if Astrid being stylistically similar to Delia and Lydia could be seen from the angle of the Apple not falling far from the tree, and that Astrid is more like her family members than she’d care to admit. Making the fact that they all choose each other in the end more meaningful for Astrid’s character and like having her embrace who she is and who her family are

[@TheMuseSway]

I felt like this should have been a Netflix series of 8 episodes or two different movies instead of just one. There was so many sublots that, yes took away from the growth of Lydia/Astrid/ and Delia. If it was in two movies or a series the growth would have been there and it would probably have been a great series. Plus it would give the supblots aka Willem DaFoe and Monica Belluci two great actors the growth and screen time they deserved.

[@peacendpola23]

No more 8 episode netflix series

[@Greatful0374]

The Asian laundry mat stereotypes of the male owner yelling was unnecessary.

[@DumbassdriversofTN]

Oh piss off... it's called comedy...

[@leuvenfra]

​@@DumbassdriversofTNIt should be funny then

[@DumbassdriversofTN]

@@leuvenfrait was funny, if you aren't a snob. I heard plenty of people laughing in the theater

[@TheSpookychick]

I failed to connect it to a stereotype. I had no idea that it existed. I just thought the actor was being over the top for comedic effect.

[@lexeevaly1302]

@@DumbassdriversofTNthere are ways to do comedy without being that way but of course someone like u wouldn’t be able too understand. By your reply being so obnoxious I can also safety assume that even if you did have the comprehension skills to understand you would be willfully ignorant bc you can’t stand others looking at it in a different way. They were right…it was unnecessary

[@justcharlotte0115]

There was something wild that I'm not sure if it was intentional or not. The detective actor had an assistant with a gunshot wound in her chest. The actor was waving around a loaded gun the whole time. And Alec Baldwin was in the original movie. I'm not sure if it's an intentional dark joke but I don't see how it can't be. That's absolutely wild

[@DrDeadsy42]

Seeing how they treated the Jeffrey Jones situation, I am pretty convinced this was intentional.

[@mariperalta81]

despite loving this movie for so long, for some reason i'm always shocked every time i remember that's alec baldwin.

[@WishfulThinkingArt]

It felt pretty obvious that Monica Belucci was just in the movie so TB could get those shots of her body while she put herself back together. But other than that, I had a really good time with this movie. It was just good ole spooky, macabre fun, and it was a great way to keep celebrating spooky season.

[@solcarlosofficial]

I would have cut the William Defoe character. I felt it didn’t add anything to the story.

[@Horrorzeit]

exactly

[@DrDeadsy42]

He was the replacement for Juno, mainly used for exposition. He was supposed to be cardbord.

[@reng935]

he had some funny scenes though

[@sayuasano6814]

WILLEM DAFOE was phenomenal,reading all these comments I feel like we all saw a different movie

[@acsaudiodramas]

I enjoyed the movie, though not feeling satisfied afterwards. I think, the plotlines would have worked out much, MUCH better in a mini series, which would have given the writers the opportunity to flesh out especially the villians and antagonists more. After the movie I had the same craving of wanting to see more - - of the night Jeremy where had slaughtered his parents and which events had led to this. - of the movie detective and the stunt that killed him - of Monica Belucci's character and her soul-sucking cult - of the soul train and the 70’s style ghost cops and these russian guards that looked more inspired by Boney M.'s Rasputin rather than anyhing else. - of how the Maitlands found a loop hole and got out of afterlife limbo - in form of another claymation scene - and that dog we see, when Beetlejuice lipsyncs about the ones he had loved before. Also I still don't know how I feel about this Chucky-like baby BJ and why it's there. Aside from all criticism, I actually felt the original, wild, fun-loving Burton in this film again, I had considered already dead and burried. Edit for not being a native speaker.

[@DrDeadsy42]

Perfect summary, I totally agree. As for the baby, I very much believe it was a reference to Peter Jackson‘s „Braindead“ (sometimes also titled „Dead Again“). Before Lord of the Rings, Jackson made several movies that were very much like early Burton movies, only even more zany, weird and absurd. The baby biting Lydia‘s leg was probably a reference to a scene from the 1968 movie „Barbarella“. The whole sequel had so many references and movie quotes in it that I am quite certain about my assumptions.

[@darlenmontano2917]

Yeah. Good summary.

[@solcarlosofficial]

Unpopular opinion: I like the musical more than the movie. The musical explores a lot of themes and has a lot of heart. I hope they make a movie adaptation of the musical 💚

[@emmalooman]

lol that is not an unpopular opinion, it’s the best one!

[@MedicalStudent003]

I adore the musical, it's just such a fun time! In general, I think we need fewer remakes/sequels and more proshots! 🩷

[@mimimimili1120]

I enjoyed it, but kinda had the impression that the story was getting very fast in order too appeal to modern audience. Like a lot a mouvement anytime. Feeled like an iPad kid lol. And i was a little disapointed of the ends of the villains, it was kinda rushed (the Ghost Guy dying in a 5 seconds twist, Monica Bellucci who didn't really had an impact and died in 10 seconds, and Beetlejuice beeing traped by an contrat mistake found in 5 seconds by someone who just saw the Book of the deads once). Liked seeing it but didn't make a strong impression on me. Thanks for your vidéo

[@AttnDefDis_]

I love the original, but I thought this movie was awful. Those baby Beetlejuice scenes were bizarre, the soundtrack wasn't anywhere near as good, the costumes felt like a rehash, there were characters that could've been removed and it wouldn't have mattered, the story was a mess...it felt like it was made by completely different people.

[@TheSpookychick]

The baby Beetlejuice reminds me of the zombie baby in Peter Jackson’s film Dead Alive (also known as Braindead). For that reason, I absolutely loved it. As the story was a weird mess, it was written by different people. Michael McDowell didn't write the sequel. It tries to capture the weirdness and macabre of the first film and make it even more outlandish, and things like that appeal to me. I love weird shit, but I understand where you're coming come. It's definitely jarring for people who just aren't for it.

[@Claraloscher]

Omg thank you!!! I agree with everything you mentioned, and would also like to add that none of the jokes landed imo… the timing was so off for some reason

[@melobski4]

I absolutely disliked the movie. I don’t know if it’s because I watched it in my native language (Latin Spanish) but some of the dialogues sounded as if they were written by a teenage Wattpad author, some jokes were unnecessary long, I get that the movies have the over exaggeration and ridiculousness as a key factor of Beetlejuice (I absolutely love that) but in this one the humor was basically dead, it wasn’t intelligent. I get that Lydia is now and adult and completely different with the Lydia we used to know but I can’t even see a resemblance of the OG Lydia in her, like apart from the clothes, nothing was in there. Also I can’t help but see Astrid as the edgy annoying character, I know she was fed up by her mother but it’s like she was written by a 50+ year old man, she only came across as stupidly annoying (for me). The Costume design was completely disappointing and the special effects pale in comparison to the first movie and that was more than two decades ago!!!! I loved Michael Keaton as beetlejuice tho.

[@crisholly19985]

There were a few too many plot holes and lazy writing so I wasn’t thrilled with this movie but it was fun (Also seeing some ppl point out that the soul train bit and dry cleaning man being Asian follows too many stereotypes and is offensive given Tim’s past quotes on poc in his movies)

[@mariperalta81]

what's wrong with soul train :( i thought it was a fun tongue in cheek thing

[@crisholly19985]

@@mariperalta81 I thought so too but I saw some comments saying how Burton has been racist in the past and it’s odd and offensive how he finally has some black people in his movie but it’s as background people doing nothing but dancing. Some people said it perpetuates a stereotype that all black people do is dance but I’m honestly not the right person to speak on that (cuz I don’t quite understand it and I’m not that community)

[@AllyOC1]

I disagree. I think the sequel was another money grab trying to play off nostalgia for the original. The plot was a big mess! They completely wrote out the Maitlands and blew right over them! Lydia’s character arch completely flipped without explanation! The only good part was Catherine O’Hara.

[@jojomojo666]

It absolutely was a cash grab, but to me ot was a good cash grab😊

[@TheSpookychick]

You can’t exactly have an aged couple of ghosts (as ghosts obviously cannot age) and Alec Baldwin has legal issues. However, it would have been nice to have a claymation sequence of them finding the loophole and ascending to Heaven, just like we saw Charles’ death in that goofy animated plane sequence.

[@chaiguy2930]

THANK YOU for mentioning how uncomfortable it was to see how much screen time Jefferey Jones’s character got! If you’re going to kill off a character, do the damn thing! I wish instead we saw Otho and Delia together in the afterlife, as a tribute to Glen Shadix. I could see them being besties in the underworld!

[@yanderefangirl8317]

Well, he wasn’t played by Jeffery Jones in this movie. He was played by two different people, one guy doing the body and another guy doing the voice.

[@DrDeadsy42]

The rules of the netherworld have generally changed, or better: the movie itself doesn‘t take them too seriously. What no-one seems to have noticed (at least I haven‘t read it anywhere) is that the significant time-lapse between the world of the living and the dead has been scrapped. With good reason, because a good deal of the storyline takes place in the netherworld, had they kept the first film‘s rule, Lydia and Astrid would have returned years later instead of 20 minutes.

[@Hag_of_Fangorn]

I appreciate you're opinion and am glad you enjoyed it, but, I really didn't. It was painful, especially the lip sync sequence that would not end.

[@melobski4]

THIS I was literally watching this with my mom, and when that scene began we looked at each other with a “wtf?!!” Face it was PAINFUL

[@flaviadias2542]

Yes but see it like that: there's the whole story and then monica bellucci is your girlfriend so you just write her in to be hot mommy and make the people happy, so im like ok old man I will give you that one

[@dominikbaran9319]

also why did they call marie skłodowska-currie a french phisisit? she was polish and she wished to be called that, so they literally ignored a dead womes wishes

[@fish_n_chipz]

It's just kind of crazy to me that Jenna Ortega was basically cosplaying Marie Skłodowska-Curie's death, and the movie tried to play it off like she was honoring Marie Skłodowska-Curie in like, a feminist manner. By dressing as her death for a Halloween costume lmao

[@Greatful0374]

I hated this movie, and those ‘Soul Train’ unnecessary scenes were racially insensitive. Like all black people do is dance and party. The Asian dry cleaning man was another ancient Hollyweird moment. They missed countless fashion moments, it took too long to introduce Bettlejuice. The only surprise was the boyfriend.

[@Jackattack359]

@@Greatful0374 I mean, taking too long to introduce Beetlejuice isn’t really saying much since he was only in the first one for 17 minutes

[@Greatful0374]

@@Jackattack359 I’ll go back to watch

[@Jackattack359]

@@Greatful0374 please do

[@Greatful0374]

@@Jackattack359 You didn’t have to come back with all that SMART FACE. Naw, beetlejuice should have been in the movie more. I’ll stand on it.

[@Jackattack359]

@@Greatful0374 not sure what else you would’ve wanted me to say besides that, but you do you I guess

[@ElizabethPerez-zx7we]

I think there will be a part 3 Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

[@Jackattack359]

@@ElizabethPerez-zx7we we don’t say that word 3 times🤫🤫🤫

[@darlenmontano2917]

No!!!!! Don’t say it three times!!!

[@gabyr.883]

And I hate that

[@miayekoh]

thank you so much for saying Hawaiʻi correctly

[@imaraoctavia]

I noticed the same thing

[@ladylandlubber499]

It should have focused much more on the core family. They should have removed Delores entirely and Beetlejuice should have been summoned because Lydia was desperate to save her daughter from the afterlife. The focus should definitely have been ENTIRELY about the relationship between Lydia and Astrid... it was just so completely fragmented. Especially since Astrid was the best part of the film. The original film didn't have nearly as much flash but it was much more endearing because of it. A simple story about family.... this one was more style then substance and had no problem breaking the rules set by the first film and switching things around even when it didn't make sense to. For example the musical moments were to do with the Maitlands and not at all to do with Beetlejuice... but this film forgot that... Overall I think the sequel could have been a lot worse... but I would rather it didn't exist at all...

[@mariperalta81]

said this already in another comment but: why didn't we just make the reason astrid goes to the netherworld be because beetlejuice convinces her she can see her dad or something?? and then lydia has to get her back and they bond over this journey. why'd we have to introduce this nobody boy that didn't add to astrid's character. same goes for rory?? and honestly the detective?? the men in this movie felt useless!!

[@Strawberryscentedheart]

I’m curious to know why you think Astrid is the best part of the film because I feel like she adds…nothing to it. And could’ve been better

[@biscuitb0y57]

The humor was really good and all the original characters were done well too, but i wasn’t a big fan of the Astrid parts, all she did was talk about how her dead dad used to take her to protest and feminism, then falls in love with Tyler from Wednesday because he reads books. And her dead dad was just there to tell the moral of the story, don’t blame your mom for me dying you guys need to be there for eachother (in a nutshell), 3 times and then get them out of the afterlife.

[@omalich4]

That soul train scene felt very racist to me 😭😭 like ngl

[@omalich4]

I also feel like Monica Belluci’s character was not developed well.

[@AllofTimeandSpace]

I really liked the character development for Beetlejuice himself as a character. While he’s still creepy (I think the beetlebaby wasn’t real just his idea of a silly practical joke/illusion), he does a lot of more actually thoughtful and kind acts for Lydia and her family like sending Jeremy to hell to protect Astrid and exposing Rory so he could no longer exploit Lydia anymore. Even though he goes about it the wrong way I think it’s kind of cute that he is legitimately deeply in love with Lydia and would do anything for her. In a weird kind of twisted way Beetlejuice is a far better option as a husband to Lydia and stepfather to Astrid than Rory ever was! I almost wonder if they make a third movie I wonder if Beetlejuice will have a full on redemption arc, as this movie definitely feels like it’s setting it up?!

[@mysticc6232]

Agreed! Wish they did get married in this one 😍

[@yanderefangirl8317]

He seems to draw the line at people who are abusive or toxic in a relationship. Makes sense, since his wife killed on their wedding night and he ended up killing her before he died.

[@SexySkoChick]

I think BeetleJuice had STRONG feelings for Lydia for a LONG time 😌

[@sydney9011]

The bigger potholes to me were: A. How did Beetlejuice survive the sandworm attack from the first movie? B. Isnt time warped in the sand worm realm and wouldnt the teenage boy murderer have been in that realm if he stepped outside his house (aka where astrid found him)? ---this is less of a plot hole and more of an unresolved issue: Why couldnt lydia see her ex hubby? Was he busy working in the underworld? We never got a straight answer on that.

[@kaitlinowens2714]

For part of b he says to Astrid that his tree house is the farthest he can go away from his house because that’s where he died

[@LaBellesGrace]

Lydia couldn’t see her ex-husband because he didn’t want her or Astrid to see him. It’s a really “catch or you’ll miss it” line he said during their reunion.

[@LoneLupine]

What? At the end of the first movie it shows him back in the neitherworld after the sandworm attack, so that means the first movie had the same plot hole as well (and it's not really a plot hole he just respawns)

[@stephanieandrews2561]

Girl, your movie reviews the last few years have really kept my on my toes 😂 i enjoyed the movie as a big fan of the OG but better than the first?

[@flowerzforsaturn]

I had fun watching the movie but I felt like they had too many plots going on that ended up getting everything rushed through. Monica Bellucci and William Dafoe’s characters really didn’t do much and Monica especially felt like wasted potential. I also feel like Jeremy wasn’t necessary at all, instead of him tricking Astrid it could have just been Beetlejuice that told her she could see her father again. They added 6 new characters yet 4 weren’t truly needed or actually interesting/done well. I definitely think it’s one of the better sequels and I really liked certain parts but I also wouldn’t be upset if it never existed (except maybe the MacArthur Park wedding scene since that’s was a lot of fun)

[@impibibi403]

I thought this was the most hopelessly boring film I'd seen all year. Not even Monica, Jenna and Winona (what a great trio) could save it.

[@DisneyMissieMouse]

They could’ve split the storylines up, make this one about the ex-girlfriend (she looked AMAZING and was wasted!!!) and the next one about Astrid and Jeremy, or vise versa. Instead there was TOO MUCH going on and the pacing wasn’t good at all in my opinion!! No real climax like the first! I hope they do another one but I’m sticking to the original when saying it’s better. :/

[@benjamintillema3572]

17:37 I wouldn't call this a "plothole" but rather a retcon. In the 30+ years between movies attitudes about depression, suicide, and mental health have drastically changed in the public consciousness. Changing that detail was likely their way of avoiding the uncomfortable, insensitive way the original made fun of self-harm. Is it a good retcon? Was the change necessary? Is it just political correctness run amok? I'd say no but it's pretty subjective.

[@DrDeadsy42]

You can accuse Burton of many things, but certainly not of political correctness.

[@isabellep329]

i feel like the randomness and anti-climax of the climax fit somehow. I hope there will be a director's cut released at some point because I would watch an hour more of this film with all of the scenes I have a sneaking suspicion were cut for time. All in all, I had a delightful time despite the obvious fallings-short and I agree, I might enjoy this film more than the original, but I'll have to rewatch both to decide. You put everything very well, very nice video!

[@stpat7614]

Dolores does serve a purpose. Abusers like Dolores shower their victims with love, all with the sole intent of controlling them. Betelgeuse has experienced this, so he is happy to expose Rory.

[@TommyLellan]

I agree. I think if it isn't appreciated in the same manner as the original right away, it will do so with time. A really great pairing.

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

"Having been eaten by a shark, following a plane crash. " lol what

[@avsusky]

Beetlejuice 2 was not nearly as bad as I expected, but it is definitely not better than the first. The first is a cohesive movie that manages the illusion that this is all happening in the same world/setting. Beetlejuice 2 feels like a music video/visual album. That visual album does look wonderful and is made up of very entertaining parts, but it doesn't succeed at being a cohesive story and I think that's a problem that originates in the script. This script lacks restraint and desperately needed someone to edit the hell out of it. There were too many story threads to tell in the length of a movie and the result was that many of them were half baked and pointless to the actual plot. I honestly wonder if the writer works predominantly in TV and is just not used to writing movie stories. As pointed out in the video, there are too many villains, and that isn't a nit pick but a major problem. Bellucci's character is pointless, yet gets this long entrance and we are often taken away from the story to see her pointlessly kill people. They needed to actually commit to her as the primary antagonist, or axe the character. I'd bet money they added her in after the story had already been developed because Burton wanted to work with his gf. If he's insistent on that, then you need to majorly rework the story, not just shoehorn her in. This video also hit the nail on head about Delia, she serves almost no function in the story and her interactions are given almost no weight or priority, which is such a disservice to the actor, character and original movie. I wish they had focused this story on the dynamic between Delia, Lydia and the daughter with conflict stemming from Beetlejuice/Dead Dad(s). Also they could have just not included the daughter at all tbh- stories can be marketable without focusing on teens and young adults. But they for sure should have gotten rid of both bf story lines as they both supremely sucked imo. Believe it or not, it is possible to tell stories about women without the inclusion of romantic conflict. Idk, it just really bothers me that so many big budget/pop corn movies are not carefully produced from start to finish- and maybe I'm being nostalgic, but I think this problem is a lot more common today. With all that time, money and effort, big budget film makers should feel a major responsibility to produce something that is as good as it can reasonably be. So if there are such obvious major problems at the script level, it honestly makes me angry.

[@nina__serafina]

for a sequel I was skeptical about I was pleasantly surprised do I think it's better than the original no but compared to a lot of sequels I think it's a lot better.

[@Heyheyhaleyd]

It was an overall solid film and I definitely enjoyed it. However as a Gen Z person I didn’t care for the buzz words like “influencer” and “trauma-bonding”. It was definitely gorier than the original. They could’ve done without the his ex-wife, but I did the love the scene of her being put back together. I also just wish we had more interaction between the female leads.

[@creature_maria]

It was nowhere near as good as the original, just another empty cashgrab nostalgia thing. It could have been a simple & sweet story about mother-daughter relationship à la The Little Mermaid 2, but they ruined it with multiple plotlines that make no sense, several grossly underdeveloped antagonists, lots of hollow references to the original, and even more cringe and unfunny "modern day social satire", and zero emotional core to connect to.

[@KateBerger]

I feel like this is the right place to ask: is anyone else OBSESSED with the squiggly denim pants Catherine O'Hara was wearing in the middle section of the film?? I've been looking for them and I can't find anything!

[@vanessaheine8093]

I’m still slightly reeling from the news that Tim Burton and Monica Bellucci are dating!!! He really does pull some stunning women.

[@darlenmontano2917]

Oh no here we go again.

[@sidsthesid]

I kinda assumed that they still had to be civil servants cause the death was self inflicted? Like you could say “doing all your own stunts and swimming with meat eating fish is suicidal” but it’s mostly likely just an oversight

[@LoneLupine]

The cartoon is my favorite Beetlejuice, the original film is a cladsic but I'm way more attached fo the cartoon (even if it had a few inconsistencies at times) I feel like I am entering this movie with a different perspective as i love (and am autistically obsessed with) ALL versions of Beetlejuice and not just the first film. The sequel does feel very ADHD lol. Love your review though, happy to see a positive opinion :) it's wild to see everyone's polarizing opinions, some people absolutely hated this film, while others freakin LOVED it. Although I think both sides agree that it was "all over the place" lol

[@BasedTexans]

Can you do a video on Lisa Frankenstein's fashion on Prime? ❤ the fashion in that movie is so incredible and right up your alley

[@meredithsutton1485]

YES, you put so many of my thoughts about the movie into words! I think I like the sequel better than the first--or at least, it helps me enjoy the original Beetlejuice (which I didn't watch as a kid and have no nostalgia for) more. They should have cut Delores (but also, who can blame Tim Burton for including her?) to give more time to any of the other plots. Also, Wolf Jackson stole the scene every time he was on screen. I was so impressed that Dafoe gave us a character who could rival Keaton for my attention.

[@kimackerman2183]

Went to see it yesterday and loved it! For sure Tim Burton is back since I wasn't a fan of Wednesday. I loved how they still worked with very small cgi and how cleverly they did Charles's character and all due to the actor..and I laughed a lot when one of the characters said "No Disney characters for Halloween" since we know Tim said he wouldn't work for Disney again.

[@serenitymoon825]

That soul train scene rubbed me the wrong way

[@marcelinal5519]

may I ask why?

[@snazzey14]

@@marcelinal5519 look up what soul train was and who it was created for and you should get the idea

[@gabrielleporter553]

Why? it was a reference to soul train the show

[@serenitymoon825]

​@gabrielleporter553 and from a man who has said "black people don't fit my aesthetic". It felt like a "Here, damn!! Happy now?!" moment more than a genuine homage

[@cereza5983]

Right it felt like such a caricature, especially given how little poc characters we got

[@jackie9397]

I’m honestly shocked you liked it! Nothing beats the first film for me!

[@Cauldron6]

Honestly loved it. It was messy but damn, was it fun.

[@Kaileighblue]

I feel like I liked a lot of the ideas in the movie but none of them really had enough room to breathe. Everything could work if they had given it a bit more time to simmer, or saved it for another movie. It felt like the all the emotional weight was missing. Like Astrid and Jeremy, Astrid and her dad, the fact Lydia's parents and boyfriend died in a week. Even if they said her biomom is still alive that seems like it would be traumatizing. Maybe that's the intent with the dream ending...? There wasn't really a resolution for Lydia like there was in the original. Maybe in the third she just marries Beetlejuice because she wants to.

[@alexateachey9680]

I watch a CineFix video going in-depth on Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian and I’m convinced we terribly missed out on that movie. It was such an absurd, original concept that could’ve been a masterpiece.

[@yanderefangirl8317]

I actually laughed so much in the theater when I saw this movie. I think the point of the film, is that it’s not healthy to keep yourself stuck in the past. Lydia had a difficult time moving on from her past traumas, Astrid never recovered from her father’s death and resented her mother because of it, and Dolores wanted Beetlejuice all to herself despite their murderous divorce. Dolores was literally Beetlejuice’s past coming back to haunt him. Plus, the ghost boy tricking Astrid into giving him her life shows that, despite how she acts like she knows better than her mother, Astrid is still a naive teenaged girl who occupies herself with all these ‘save the world’ causes because it helps her feel close to her late father. The stepmom was pretty weird but I think that was the point, because her weird artist personality was what made her so funny, but she also clearly loves her family even though they’re not related by blood. Lydia’s relationship with her manager shows that she rushed into a relationship because she was lonely, especially since her first marriage didn’t end well and her relationship with her daughter became strained. She also used her ability to communicate with ghosts as a way to avoid opening up to living people. Also, we see more of this purgatory type place and we see that most souls do go to Heaven or h-e-double hockey sticks, or they’re given a job helping souls go to where they need to go. And Willem Defoe’s character was just outright hilarious. And I love how they kind of made fun of woke stuff, like ‘Stop Oil’ and politically correct stuff.

[@ruinobledaqui2278]

Nah, movie was lame. Mostly the 2nd half. My daughter's opinion was, "it was ass".

[@Enterstainers]

You're out of your mind with that title lmfao, the sequel is all over the place narratively and not a par on the original. They did Lydia's character so dirty too.

[@That_demon_thing]

I would like this movie more if they used Dolores better. She was too iconic to just kill off that quickly.

[@sabinabujold3431]

i liked the first one better ❤ also did any one notice the house the Deetz bought and redecorated and added a bunch of add ons too some how in the second movie was decorated like a farmhouse and were missing the add ons.

[@TheDeonJackson]

The snake beetle juice still scares me

[@joelhicks4665]

Ryan George's pitch meeting is the only review anyone needs to see.

[@Murda_ma]

I had never watched Beetlejuice 1 prior to watching beetlejuice 2, so 1 it doesn’t have the nostalgic attachment that I think it has for others. After watching Beetlejuice 2, I was v disappointed in the first one. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice blows Beetlejuice out the water

[@alexandraburton232]

I had a lot of fun with this film and I'm not usually into dark humour so that was a surprise. It's definitely one of the better legacy sequels for old properties than most. Like you I felt the villains were too many and not enough time. Couple of things I think that could have worked it out would be: Cut Delores' character. While I loved her intro and the look and design you're right she doesn't do much or contribute a lot to the story. You could still have Defoe's detective character maybe he's trying to track down Beetlejuice because BJ is constantly "bending" the rules by making himself appear to Lydia in the mortal world. Or have instead he's trying to track down a ghost murderer killing humans but surprise surprise it's Jeremy who was luring humans to his house and possessing them to kill them for fun and get out of his house because they couldn't see him. But then seeing Astrid could see him then he got the idea of having her trade her life for his [and like you said have them meet a few times before he tricks her on Halloween so his trickery is more gut felt]. Then Lydia could still call on BJ for help and it goes as it did in the film except for Delores showing up at the wedding maybe Richard could return once more to protest and help out giving him a bit more to do and that gives Astrid the time to break free of BJ's control and summon the sandworm who attacks, then eats Rory then stops BJ with the contract news. OR Don't have Jeremy in the story but keep Delores who keeps doing her thing. Show that Astrid is so desperate to see her father and angry at Rory keeping her mother co-dependant and distant from her that it gives BJ a way in to manipulate her and he's only more desperate now that Delores is loose to escape to the living world. Maybe Astrid mutters Beetlejuice under her breath as she leaves the attic giving BJ the power to form a connection and start giving Astrid the idea to go into the afterlife? Then it goes as before where Lydia summons BJ to help her save Astrid, while Richard saves Astrid in the Netherworld. Then at the wedding the whole trick and manipulation by Beetlejuice is revealed. And some more scenes between Delia and Lydia and Astrid could have been great like Delia maybe saying how she envied Barbara because she always felt Lydia preferred her over Delia. Little scenes like that could have helped.

[@LisA82G]

Bob is a hero!!

[@isapheonix]

I enjoyed Jeremy as a plot device to force Lydia to reach out to Beetlejuice. And even more it made sense how quickly he was disposed of as it demonstrates Beetlejuices strength and how op he is. I think the other 2 ghostly villains were disposed of too quickly. It was too easy for them to die.

[@Autmnbb23]

I watched these out of order bc I live under a rock I guess and honestly I loved this movie so much! It made the first feel like a gimmicky prequel which is s strange feeling. It's weird bc I always heard people reference "Lydia's wedding dress" and assumed her and Beetlejuice had a romance and felt it unsettling to go back and see the actual storyline l-ol. But bc of that, now I wish there was a version where there was potential for that as it fulfills my soul's desire for a twisted romantic horror comedy similar to Edward Scissorhands. I think this movie had all the right elements, but should have been broken up into smaller films to create a complex storyline with room for character development and even more space for Burton to play with the details.

[@gabbiebobbs3543]

I loved this movie, and I’m glad it got a sequel. However the “wife” was the only part that seemed unnecessary. Unless they were going to do a 3rd one.. over all very good movie! And I hope it does better at the box office

[@TheLegendaryMovieCritic]

Tim Burton made such a great comeback with Beetlejuice Beetlejuice with help from Jenna Ortega!

[@rockerteen8300]

It was a good movie, but no way it's better than the original. But it is a sequel that does good by the original.

[@jackie586]

haven’t watched it yet (the movie or this video) but i recently learned that the movie is in fact NOT a movie of the musical and actually is a sequel

[@vnleao]

It was definitely great, a matured take on the original idea that aged like a fine wine. Even the “faults” add to the overall hyperbolic humor and lovely chaos.

[@imaraoctavia]

I can tell you’ve lived in Hawai’i by the way you pronounce it

[@rengokusfox]

the title of this is crazy

[@chobusmin8202]

I enjoyed the beetlegeuse 2 movie but there was too much going on. The film didn’t know what it wanted to be. It had like 6 different plots happening all at once and not enough screen time for each before immediately being resolved in a rush. Some parts were also dragged out too. Idk if i would consider it better than the original, in many ways its much more fun to watch and has better plot ideas but poor execution. From a writers point of view it could be better. None the less i did like this movie very much.

[@DanzaMissBanana]

I loved it! I don’t understand why it was getting hate from media outlets before it was even released in theaters, it was like they were trying to make people think they didn’t like before they even watched it. It was good! It was spooky, campy, and actually funny.

[@Mauraxfan]

i liked delores she was my favorite 🖤

[@SPVFilmsLtd]

I only have one problem with this film - it feels like it was an abandoned television show pilot thanks to all of the subplots and side characters that don't contribute or coalesce thematically to the core story. I would've been so much happier if the film was just about Lydia, her daughter, the boyfriend and Beetlejuice himself. Everything else is so strong and yet it sucked so hard at the end when you realize all of the extraneous narratives and characters....didn't really contribute to the story in any meaningful way.

[@jewelsfleming6290]

It was okay but I wouldn't even say it's close to as good as the original, the story was weird felt rushed. I didn't hate it by any means but I probably won't watch it again

[@AprilLi98]

Girl I feel the same! Maybe because I didn’t watch the original until very recently

[@lenastorm6280]

I watched the movie 3 days ago and I liked it, but not as much as the original. I've never watched the original before, so I went and watched the original the day before I saw the sequel & I loved it. (I was just surprised how little Beetlejuice was actually in it.) I also liked the sequel, though less then the original. The teen-who-hates-their-parent-trope was annoying and I saw that the boyfriend was dead & evil coming from a mile away and Beetlejuice's ex-girlfriend was kinda unnecessary, but the backstory in spanish was kinda fun, but otherwise I liked the sequel. (Also: WTF is that ending?)

[@witchplease9695]

I want an adaptation of the musical which is the best one imo

[@films_by_jo]

It griped me a bit how Lydia had the EXACT same hairstyle in this film. From a costume standpoint, it's not realistic to have identical hair 30+ years later. Colour, yes. Style, no.

[@jeremyud]

Did anyone else think that Jeremy looked like a cross between Young Penn Badgley and Fault in Our Stars-era Ansel Elgort? I don't blame Astrid for eating that up at all.

[@heatherparisi8250]

I did not guess the twist of Jeremy at all I actually think that was one of the best things in the film

[@lutefisklimeade6278]

Uh no. The new movie lacks all the charm of the original. Here is yet another movie than didn't need to be remade. Hollywood is out of ideas and it shows.

[@SD-zz4ov]

its not a remake

[@Greatful0374]

@@SD-zz4ov don’t make a 2nd worse than the 1st.

[@stephaniesmith5584]

I'm shocked how many people have been complaining about this movie. I loved it! Laughed out loud so many times!