What are some of your favorite dice selection games? Thoughts on this one?
@zlyntudteam23943 жыл бұрын
This one is in my opinion is working quite well with two players. I can't seem to find any other dice selection game (which I think is a good mechanic in games), but what I can think of is Grand Austria Hotel and Sagrada, which are both really good.
@alexisostrander20653 жыл бұрын
I really like The Red Cathedral. The mechanics are interesting and fun to play - I really like the rondel/dice mechanism and building up your workshop tiles to have an engine builder feel. In a sea of samey worker placement games that come out every year, this felt unique to me and has drawn me to wanting to play it more. I have only played at 2 players and agree that it is probably the worst player count because it makes the area control much less interesting. I have been considering adding the solo bot into our 2 player game to see if that helped. Grand Austria Hotel and Tekhenu are two other dice selection games that I really enjoy and both work great at 2. Its a genre that I would like to play more because I tend to like the mechanics.
@josyuen42073 жыл бұрын
We've played it at 2-player once and once solo. Enjoyed the plays so far but yes, probably won't play it multiple times in a row. I think we would need to space it out per play. I think it would be a good travel game for us. Also, I think we scored it incorrectly for the Cathedral: second place scored half instead of 1/3 so that's probably why our score was so close. Favorite dice selection games? Pulsar 2849 or Coimbra. Would like to get Grand Austria Hotel which others have mentioned. Better let Naveen know that he is half way to his win quota. Max 2 wins for the year, right? :D I also think his beard is the key to him winning. :D
@J-Wheeler-G3 жыл бұрын
@@zlyntudteam2394 we like this game quite a bit, but it is definitely not close to GAH. We also like Trismegistus at two a lot.
@zlyntudteam23943 жыл бұрын
@@J-Wheeler-G yup, this one kinda reminds me of Mancala-mechanism a little bit
@devirgames79003 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, we love your content! Good news for everyone who hasn't played yet: the reprint of Red Cathedral is on the way and will be at your local game store mid February! Stay tuned!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Hi team! We are so happy to showcase the game, great job to all you who were involved. Excited for the next designs to come!
@lucasespejo54983 жыл бұрын
You guys are the best board game KZbinrs out there!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Hi Lucas thank you so much for the high praise! We are humbled and appreciate your support. :-)
@thenerdgirl13 жыл бұрын
They're my second favorite game channel. And they always seem to review something I've been thinking about. :)
@aasever3 жыл бұрын
Zdravstvuyte Monique and Naveen. Hello from Russia. Ivan the Terrible was called that because he is considered a very cruel ruler. In particular, according to legend, he blinded the architect of the Saint Basil's Cathedral, so that he could not repeat such beautefull building. So I wouldn't be too happy about winning this game :) Thank you for the video. Good luck!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Wow, if I knew that I (Naveen) would have purposely lost!
@Cyclone133510 ай бұрын
Came here from your White Castle video. The rondel, constant dice rolling, and interwoven player interaction of Red Cathedral seem like a lot of fun. White Castle seems more combotastic, tight, and have more direct player interaction. Hard to pick a favorite!
@julianpena223 жыл бұрын
Moniques face of pure horror on 47:23 was the best part lol. Great Play-through!!
@briancleveland622 жыл бұрын
Much better explanation and sample game than the actual authors of the game provided (in Spanish) whose video and explanation were absolutely dreadful. This was clear regarding game mechanics and options. Well done.
@ehall28773 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loving the modern trend of mixing in old artwork. Ivan Bilibin, who did those prints on the seasons wheel, is one of my favorite artists. This game looks stunning, and also has some cool mechanics. Definitely on the short list to pick up!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
The box art is superb! It instantly drew me in and had us intrigued.
@pearldsouza79453 ай бұрын
Played this at a game night and was immediately a fan of this game. Ordered it the same night when I returned home. ❤
@henribcosta3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's too late, a litte bit though. But I think the way you count influence for scoring the towers does not differentiate sections and addorns. You count one to one, then, only for scoring prestige you count 2 for sections and 1 for doors, windows and toppers...
@jamesmorgan19673 жыл бұрын
Nice playthrough! Previously wasn't interested in this game, but now I am....
@Arahmon11173 жыл бұрын
Yeah I find they have that effect on me all the time....
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Lol, sorry again!!!
@RuelGaviola3 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video, as always! I finally got to play this (on Tabletopia) last night and really enjoyed it! I'm not the biggest fan of rondels because I'm terrible at them lol, but this game was solidly designed. Nothing seems out of place, everything is tied into each other, and turns are quick yet thinky. I also liked how the dual score tracks worked, since it reminded me a little of Brass: Birmingham. 😊
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ruel! We missed your play last night! What a coincidence lol! It is solid, we prefer it at 3-4 players, and also like the fact that there are plenty of decisions to make without too much punishment if someone builds before you.
@ParlorPunch Жыл бұрын
Another terrific playthrough and you guys have such great attitudes when you win or lose I love it! It's great to be able to count on that in all your playthroughs😊! Monique, there were multiple times when you could have sacrificed one recognition point, bumping you down to the closest prestige, to gain two coin. There was one place in particular (37:00) where you really could have used the extra rubles. In general, I like to play where whenever my point marker is only one or two recognition points above a prestige point, I'll back up to that nearest prestige point and pick up the two rubles. This is particularly effective almost no matter where your point marker is when done just prior to placing ornamentations. Anyway great job, I love this game! Thank you for filming it. Any plans to film the contractor's expansion, that makes it even more difficult to tell who's winning in a two-player game😊.
@LeRichardGames3 жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna say it. I blame this channel for half of my board game collection. lol. And I am so happy Naveen is kicking butt recently. Sorry, Monique. lol. Just ordered this and can't wait to play! Good job, team!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have a half decent collection lol!!! I definitely needed to get some wins in, Monique is too good!
@cardboard_kid3 жыл бұрын
15 minutes into watching this, and The Cardboard Kid and Dad are even more convinced that we need to play this ASAP.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Haha, hope you get to try it soon! P.S I had my morning coffee out of your mug this morning :-)
@mridulsaboo29453 жыл бұрын
Your channel is becoming my favourite very quickly! Watching from India ❤️ P.S- Just bought Curious Cargo after you all recommended it.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your support! Hope you enjoy Curious Cargo, it's such a great 30 minute puzzle!
@JacobLikesMusic3 жыл бұрын
Not really interested in playing this game, I just wanted to see the mechanisms, for design inspiration. But I need to commend you for the review, so much insightful comments, really helpful if you're considering the game!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out. We try and be fair and honest in our reviews :-)
@jeffmackey27403 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. Are you sure you did the end game scoring correctly? The value of a tower is fine, but as for who controls / wins the tower, I believe ornamentation counts the same as a section. So in the first tower the count is 3-2 for control. Doesn't change the score in your game, but it very much can in many games. Covered in the rulebook in final scoring for tower 5.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Hi we realized it after the upload, we made an errata in the description and with the Klingon subtitles. We had been playing it wrong this whole time lol!!
@ElMOTOPAPI3 жыл бұрын
Omg, ive been playing this game since it came out and I didn’t know you were supposed to activate the workshop when you place it on your board, thx for the great video, and making the game a little easier for me :)
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! That way you guarantee a minimal return on your investment!!
@maurodalbianco24933 жыл бұрын
i love this game. a beautiful surprise at the end of 2020.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
It's clean and clever!
@andrea19985256 ай бұрын
Here from white castle video!
@BeforeYouPlay6 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
@ParlorPunch Жыл бұрын
Great job and really thoughtful comments at the 3nd, thank you for such a thorough experience. I wonder if some a.i. could help in the 2 player game.🤔
@BeforeYouPlay Жыл бұрын
I think a 3rd AI would definitely make the area control aspect of the game much more interesting!
@foglight112 жыл бұрын
I just got this game and wanted to learn but didn't feel like reading rules today. I KNEW you guys would have my back! :) PS - Monique I love your jacket.
@J-Wheeler-G3 жыл бұрын
I don't believe the score at the end is not the points that someone contributed but how many banners and decorations they have. I don't believe it would have changed anything in this play.
@MrSupcarlos3 жыл бұрын
I also think that’s the right way to resolve the endgame score.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
HI John, thank you so much for bringing that to our attention. We've been accidentally playing it that way lol. We've put an edit in the description as well as edits through the Klingon subtitles. Much Appreciated!
@J-Wheeler-G3 жыл бұрын
@@BeforeYouPlay no problem, glad I could help.
@martinljonsson3 жыл бұрын
Love the video. Interesting comments on an interesting game! I also like Naveen`s t-shirt. Where is it from?
@saintsalieri3 жыл бұрын
My experience with the dual score tracker at two players has been it's a bit of a distraction. On some plays I have tried to focus on it, for example delaying a decoration until I gain some recognition to maximize the points gain from prestige. But it's probably better overall to just be most efficient at completing the various tasks the game throws at you and do stuff as early as you can. There's a similar on-rails feeling to the market, which is what drew me to the game in the first place. At least at two, it's not very dynamic and there are often maybe 1-2 good options. I rarely feel like I don't know what to do on my turn or that my actions have a high opportunity cost. That said, I really like the game as an engaging and breezy Euro.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Totally know what you mean! In a 2-P game I have found that doing whatever you can as fast as you can has led to good results. It is certainly more dynamic at 3-4 P.
@zhivik3 жыл бұрын
Great playthrough, as always :) I saw a couple of other playthroughs and I believe I am warming towards this one. The game mechanics are really interesting, I believe they resemble a little The Castles of Burgundy, as far as dice use is concerned. And sure, the dual score track resembles a lot Brass: Birmingham, or rather The Castles of Tuscany, the brand new Stefan Feld game. I am pleasantly surprised that this works well with a higher player count. The only thing is, you have done it again :) You are making me want buy an increasing number of games, and I have no idea when I will be able to play them. I think I will simply skip on the Darwin's Journey Kickstarter and wait for a retail release ... Anyway, this is a good thing you are doing, I really like how your explanations are clear enough, yet not too beginner level, just right to ease someone into a game. Great job! :)
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Lol, hopefully we can start to play in the coming months!! The dice and dual track is the most interesting part of this one, we feel with 3+ players the dice become more mobile and makes the dice selection much more interesting. In addition the area control aspect in the cathedral becomes a greater puzzle when vying for position.
@seanmorgan22573 жыл бұрын
really enjoyed this playthrough thank you.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sean, thank you so much! Hope you are going fantastic!!
@zlyntudteam23943 жыл бұрын
Yes.. finally you got to play this game! Yuhu!!!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we played it a few months ago but finally was able to film it!
@Rabesandratana3 жыл бұрын
Nice job! First good playthrough I see for this game. Rahdo`s video, just made me pass on this, but you two, show me why this is a good one.
@dkoudrin3 жыл бұрын
If you keep going back to the nearest prestige marker and taking 2 coins right before scoring 'prestige' (i.e. through decorations), you could have made a fair bit of coin (or a few more points in the long run).
@jellevancamp71903 жыл бұрын
Really like your in depth feedback on this game. Thanks for the insights. BTW first time I heard the outro. It's beautful =)
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks! We are trying to be as honest as can be in our reviews and playthroughs! :-)
@Saxofaxo2 ай бұрын
The area control scoring was incorrect. Each decoration contributes one point to the area control. Basically same as the flags.
@BeforeYouPlay2 ай бұрын
Yeah this video is fairly old, but we had put that correction in the description of the video.
@shanefrancis347 ай бұрын
Great video, I have this game ordered, wonder what the expansion adds?
@xandermichael783 жыл бұрын
Another great play-through! I just watched Matt Lees from SU&SD gush all over this game and then watching your play-through kind of brought it down in my opinion. You perfectly summed up what I was feeling in your final thoughts, that it's a good solid game and enjoyable, but not a game you're going to play over and over again close together. I definitely love how small the box is and I have to think about what other resource games I have to see if this would be played more or less than them. Also for me in Finland, the price point is still surprisingly good at 37€ it wouldn't make too huge of a dent in my bank account for a game that I'm sure I'd enjoy, unlike Anno 1800, which I've heard isn't the best quality components, is 75€ here! Something to think about! Maybe I can find an even cheaper copy at Spiel
@tylert.53573 жыл бұрын
Wow, this game is being played everywhere online. Ruel played it last night on his Twitch channel!
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Oh no way! We didn't even coordinate that lol. Ruel is fantastic, anyone who sees this comment Please Look up: Ruel Gaviola's channels!
@stacie_everdell2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great play through. I've been thinking of picking this one up. Seems to move fast and solo mode is a bonus. I was curious, 31:42 why didn't Naveen pick up 2 gems during this action? He activated the blue die with a total of two dice at that location?
@ParlorPunch Жыл бұрын
...also, I wonder if the contractors expansion would affect the 2 player game🤔
@theromanwanderer89233 жыл бұрын
This is a very nice and pretty game! Would you recommend sleeving all the cards? The box size? Thanks!
@Thesussysuscat2 жыл бұрын
Another good one
@Iamwrongbut3 жыл бұрын
This game looks interesting but honestly seems like another euro that in 3-4 years will be mostly forgotten :/ especially with the lackluster performance at 2 players, it seems like when a person looks at their shelf, there’s a lot of other games that would be picked first to play.
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
It's possible, it's a game we can see ourselves played 2-3 times a year. The good thing is that the game has never ran longer than expected.
@mariannegonzales29112 жыл бұрын
Hey Monique, I address this to you cause you know rules better than anyone. Can you please resolve a dispute between my boyfriend and i before we play red cathedral and have another argument. Is it possible to deliver resources to complete a section AND resources to decorate that section in the same turn? For instance deliver one stone to complete the base PLUS wood and a stone to decorate that same section with a door? It seems like if this were allowed it would prevent the opposing player from “stealing” decorations from other players. What are your thoughts?
@BeforeYouPlay2 жыл бұрын
Hi there, yes it’s definitely allowed. The only thing is that you wouldn’t be able to compete the decoration by using 2 jewels because you can max use 3 materials when building. So yes, you can totally do both on your turn. Hope this helps (and kick his butt!!) 😜
@mariannegonzales29112 жыл бұрын
@@BeforeYouPlay thank you, both! You saved our relationship😝. We love your channel! ❤️ keep up the good work.
@harshasubbanna3 жыл бұрын
Show us the advance board of the player mat
@henriwhitehead3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it :-)
3 жыл бұрын
I will buy either this one or Whistle Mountain (both are sold out at my buying place BoardgameBliss)
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Hi Alain, we haven't tried Whistle Mountain, are they similar?
@ehall28773 жыл бұрын
@@BeforeYouPlay Whistle Mountain is very different, but it's definitely worth playing. It's one of the most creative worker placement games I've ever played, definitely worth checking out.
@jamesmorgan19673 жыл бұрын
@@BeforeYouPlay For the record, I'd love to see you do a playthrough of Whistle Mountain. No pressure! 😁
3 жыл бұрын
@@BeforeYouPlay Not really, they both medium box, 2020, fun.
@Cornchps8273 жыл бұрын
I agree with you guys with the review. It’s a interesting game but after a few games at 2 player we aren’t so excited to do 2p again
@BeforeYouPlay3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried it at 3-4 players?
@Cornchps8273 жыл бұрын
@@BeforeYouPlay no I haven’t but I definitely want to try it after watching your review. Sounds like it works better that way like most games
@Thesussysuscat2 жыл бұрын
" area control makes me nervous "lol
@boardgamebonkers3 жыл бұрын
They should have allowed any number on the dice for the exchange if a prestigious point. Which would have been better in the rule set. Not sure why they didn’t do that. I am not a fan of dice games where you don’t have any good way of mitigating them. This game punishes you too hard for mitigating them.
@adavies4253 жыл бұрын
I do believe you do not count points for incomplete towers during endgame scoring, but this was a great video.