Behind the Controversy: James Charles Part 4 - How He Got Away With It

[@ambernav4]

“And you did it at my BIRTHDAY DINNER!” Will forever be iconic

[@jazhillxo1668]

@@ambernav4 I wanna put it on a t-shirt 😂

[@mistytells]

And she can’t celebrate her birthday because of it anymore. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Come on!

[@mariesikk]

Time 👏 and 👏 place 👏

[@julisacastillo574]

After seeing part 1 I’ve been so patient for the whole series and everytime you drop a new part I literally stop everything I’m doing and watch 😂

[@ambernav4]

@@jazhillxo1668I’m gonna make us all shirts and we will wear them on tatis birthday as a tradition 😂

[@_jo-jo_]

The ageism in the comments...Tati is 42, Jeffree is 38 and Shane is 36. So, ALL of them were old enough to behave better if you want to use age as a way of dismissing someone's behaviour. However, JS is manipulative and conniving enough to know how to press someone's buttons and push them into a direction they may otherwise have gone.

[@raioqoparta]

This!! Honestly I feel really sorry for Tati. Being neurodivergent and having people use my naivety and sense of justice to manipulate me and being near a lot of people that didn’t have my best interest in mind, I kinda relate to her actions. I am a full blown adult and I can clearly see why she acted that way. She didn’t navigate through the situation as best as she could, but being surrounded by rich people with mean girl mentality can distort your point of view.

[@samanthavandusen]

​@@raioqopartanah, she sold out and didn't think that these MEN would screw her over. At the end of the day, she's a woman. And we all know what Jeffrey thinks of women. So she sold out to men that could care less about her and used her for their own entertainment just to spit her out and laugh. She thought she was one of them. However, her being butthurt over the gummies was what set it off. When woman act just as vile as men, we are the only ones to get screw over. They still come out smelling like roses.

[@lar-in-a-crisis]

Plot twist: the conclusion of this 5 part series ends with Jen announcing her first eyeshadow pallet 🤣🤣🤣

[@laurenr5095]

Honestly I'd be here for it. Lol 😂

[@MirageKate]

Omg YAS

[@DizzyOdd]

That would be incredible lmao

[@gensmr]

😂😂

[@steven_ryan]

😂😂😂

[@TwoLightsOut]

I feel like the more Jeffree holds this supposed voice note, and brings it up over and over, and teases it and teases it, it just continues to victimize the person on the note. That person isn't ready or doesn't want to come out with their story, and knowing this man is spreading around that he has it and can release it, has to make that person so anxious and sick. It's so gross to me.

[@asmileisspecial]

Yeah, it’s disgusting behaviour that shows he doesn’t care about anything other than getting something over on James (and I don’t like JC.) If he cared, he wouldn’t be teasing it and sharing the audio with anyone and everyone in private. He’s revictimising the alleged victim and going by how Jeffrey acts, I wouldn’t put it past him to have doctored it or spliced different conversations together. I don’t think that’s the case but it’s awful to casually spread it around and shows how manipulative and awful he is.

[@TrinaMadeIt]

I bet that person regrets that ever being told to Jefree.

[@orchdork775]

100% It's absolutely disgusting how Jeffree just keeps playing it for people. It's a nightmare for the actual victim to have to live their life questioning who all has heard the voice note and whether anyone will go public and reveal everything. They can never truly feel safe or heal because every day could be the day that the public finds out. It's such a horrible thing to have to go through, forever regretting telling Jeffree about what happened, maybe even blaming themselves for thinking they could trust him.

[@rottnk9527]

He is using it as currency for his own benefit. Truly gross behaviour. He doesn't care for the victim at all.

[@CatriChan]

And I am wondering is that voice memo really such a strong evidence, or is it just something either made up (the content like i.e. the situation did not happen in reality and it could be proven), or there is really nothing so "strong" in it. Most of tthe people who have clamied to hear it either have connotation to J* or have had them during the drama (like Tati), Blair is the exception. So I wouldn't be surprised if the memo is fake and he does not want to release it, because if it goes public it would be easy to tell it is a set up.

[@jo4vt]

I’m glad you’re doing 5 parts and not rushing through stuff, or cutting out important things. Your editing is amazing, and these are so darn well done!

[@MrsMcGwire]

Agreed! She deserves an Emmy or Oscar or whatever the equivalent that KZbin has!❤😂😊

[@jscho8674]

No one does this better!

[@Michelle-pd2fr]

💯💯💯 She always does an excellent job on these videos

[@kellyl7688]

Ditto!

[@beckaj2775]

All I'm grateful for is that I have never given any of these people a cent of my money. Never brought james , Jeffrey, Tati or Shane thing.

[@iptfan45]

@@beckaj2775 as soon as I heard racism being associated with Jeffree Star, I never cared about him or his businesses

[@kayleigh5823]

Same! I've been thinking of this throughout Jen's whole series!

[@coffee8599]

Same🎉

[@rubeusswagrid6039]

BIG SAME!

[@MarielWhalley]

Sadly I gave money in terms of my time 😭 at least I stopped watching them a little before the drama broke out

[@AKbaby89]

Im not gonna lie, whenever my dog doesn't listen to me, I say "and you did it at my birthday dinner!" To let her know she's upset me😂 it works🤷‍♀️

[@bettieomega]

😭🤣 I’m trying this

[@Labbfreak]

Hahaha this is priceless

[@rhondahundley2042]

How anyone could ever believe a thing that comes out of Jeffree's mouth is beyond comprehension.

[@rainydays9967]

This was after Jackie Aina had told Tati that Jeffree had been racist towards her too, but Tati saw those subscribers, the fame and the money and choose the white man

[@lucky0lttle0filipino20]

@rainydays9967 this is why I don't have any sympathy for Tati. She played a part in this. The only reason she said anything was because of the gummies. I don't believe for a moment, if JC had not promoted the hair bear care, blah blah blah, she wouldn't have said anything. She would have chosen no "time and place," because it doesn't directly effect her.

[@Deenique16]

@@lucky0lttle0filipino20yep

[@Michelle-pd2fr]

💯💯💯

[@samanthavandusen]

​@@rainydays9967yup, she sold out for sure 💯

[@katfayegarrett3872]

James saying "it doesn't matter I'm a celebrity " literally says sooo much about celebrities.

[@brendamair3055]

“When you’re a celebrity, you can do what you want, you can grab ‘em by the p**sy”. This definitely looks like a pattern we see with people with a lot of money/influence/power.

[@hannersandrews]

Absolutely agreed

[@kristenastrup5629]

If I remember correctly, that phrase was taken out of context. James stated the phrase was often used as an inside joke and comment to many things. Not defending him, just remembering when everything went down. I’m open to being incorrect ❤

[@millie-mayprice891]

@@kristenastrup5629 it's not a joke if you're saying it after actually doing the bad thing, it's comedic deflection to avoid having to take accountability for your actions. Comedy has been used to justify hate speech and bullying since forever- "it's just a joke", "don't take it so seriously", "calm down, it was funny", "Oh, come on, I don't actually BELIEVE that, it's just joke!", "you just can't take a joke!". A comedic tone or snappy wordplay does not a joke make.

[@taylorg2320]

He never said "it doesn't matter, I'm a celebrity." He said that him and his group, including Tati, partook in the joke of calling things "famous" as a compliment. Like if a dessert was really good, they'd say "this dessert is so famous", or if one of them did something great or looked really good that day, they'd say "you're so famous." I heavily dislike James and his predatory behaviors, but he specifically said that he referred to himself as famous that day as a way of saying that he looked great and had a cute outfit on. The guy that Tati made her video about openly admitted to flirting with James on that day, slipping him his number, and constantly telling him that he's bisexual and wanting to explore with him. I completely disagree with everyone who's taking Tati's side in this situation, James was not a predator in this very specific context regardless of what he went on to do later.

[@ritzee13]

I can't believe how much we were all hooked on Shane's shitty documentaries. This video is a great youtube history documentary, Shane was just making fancy vlogs.

[@missmatti]

I remember hearing so much about them. When I finally watched one (ironically the Beautiful World of Jeffree Star) I thought it was so badly edited - too much filler content that added nothing and too many overdramatized moments. Jen on the other hand actually delivers documentary style/journalistic content on the make-up industry. 👏🏻

[@skyla611]

I call the popularity of his “documentaries” a symptom of the pandemic and that’s coming from me, someone that was formally hooked.

[@sofiav301]

I was 16/17 yo back then and was obsessed with them, now I cringe how much I used to like his videos 😭

[@carterchaotic]

@@skyla611 yes but he started making them 2 years before the pandemic.

[@R0291-l1l]

@@ritzee13 THIS

[@chelseylyles2484]

Just wanted to point out that Tati says she wishes she had done some research on Shane before getting involved with him but she KNEW what Jeffree Star had said and done in the past and she still had a relationship with him.

[@avarosalia4309]

She even gaslighted her fans when they were warning her about JS as well. As Monique said when you do clownery the clown comes back to bite 🤡

[@JB-is4ej]

This is a good reminder that when someone “big” approaches you with an offer to help/boost/promote/collab, they’re not doing you a favour. It’s because they see your value. So make your decisions with them from a place of power not inferiority.

[@KG-kq7kn]

@@JB-is4ej like ICE SPICE right now !

[@lizzybeary]

​@@KG-kq7kn Yes!!

[@samanthavandusen]

You mean value as in dollar signs, not you as a human being. Which is absolutely true...💯

[@blazingwreckage]

"I'm a celebrity" yeah, exactly. Attractive and charming too. If he wanted sex with any number of age-appropriate gay or bi men, it's right there at his fingertips. This is such a transparent power trip that I doubt he ever intended to make it look like anything else.

[@MarielWhalley]

SO TRUE dude, physically he's a lot of gay people's type

[@alejandramoreno6625]

You hit the nail on the head. He likes the power differential, he's not looking for a relationship between equals.

[@ari-ccc]

Time 👏 and 👏 place 👏

[@bmw8913]

Tati needs to stop hanging out with children. She’s in her 40s & needs to stick with her age group.

[@xowarrior]

and you did it at my birthday dinner!!!!

[@avamiller1085]

what did it for me was shane's live reaction to tati's second video. like him scoffing at her saying she had been assaulted and almost slipping up and calling her a b*tch was when I knew it was done

[@unicornL]

He was a bumbling buffoon on that. That was the mask slip of all mask slips!

[@R0291-l1l]

Also, I know this is the least important thing, but ....how did JC walk around so long with his hair looking like a matador's hat and no one said anything lol

[@Sarah24871]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ashleys4652]

I mean, it's a valid question. 😂

[@ZijnShayatanica]

Some other commenters said he looked like a kappa or like he was a bicycle seat & now THIS? You guys have all nailed it. I hope I never get rich or powerful enough that people stop telling me when I look stupid, lmfaooooooo😂🤣

[@susanmenn5016]

Atom bomb hair.😂😂😂

[@Linylove777]

I literally just thought why does his hair look like cobra’s head. Went straight to the comments to find yours 😂

[@Whiskin87]

I guess we’ll never know for sure all that happened, but I think 2 things can be true at once. 1) Jeffree Star (and by extension Shane Dawson) sewed the seeds of the drama and fed people just enough to create the bomb, and when JS backed down they were left looking like (and possibly believing) that it had all been a lie. 2) James Charles really did all the things, and because of JS making such a mess, he essentially got away with it. Wild that these three still have platforms. Looking forward to part 5!

[@anitaspinucci]

this is what I’ve been saying! By broadcasting unfounded claims of James Charles’ predatory behaviour-that James was able to debunk with receipts-Jeffree and Tati made it harder for his actual victims to come forward.

[@alejandramoreno6625]

It's very convoluted but I think it was a way to get rid of two of their competitors: Tati and James Charles.

[@MiNa-hg7kn]

@@alejandramoreno6625 not Tati but James specifically. Why does someone so young have such a ridiculous following and influence when others (i.e. JS and other older, age-wise influencers) have been at it for so long/ years and their number of follows/ views can't compare against James. Tati was used against James to knock him off his throne. Machiavellian much? As for James himself, he's too much into himself that he overshares and this is a double-edged sword. Will any victims come out? They will. But years from now when he is no longer as prominent. Or when things pile up behind the scenes that James will feel as if a rug was pulled under his feet. He will not see it coming.

[@Pepa14pig]

@@MiNa-hg7kn I think Tati was also a target - she was about to launch her own makeup brand with truly quality stuff, something Jeffree believed he was only able to do. There’s so much behind the scenes but the real reason for all of this was money…

[@chellyg24]

I’m usually a silent viewer but I just want to tell you how great of a job your doing with this series ❤ hope you do more of these videos in the future 😊

[@MariaLunaDelRey]

Jeffree Star really showed his colors here… he says “Tati ruined James Charles career” when he convinced Tati to do so with broken promises of further proof after… it’s so manipulative and diabolical. This is the first time I truly feel for Tati when she was hesitant with a relationship with Jeffree at first.

[@blammela]

But Tati is a full blown adult. No adult person is falling for all this especially out of JS…no matter how famous he seemed in this space at the time… and she was having this beef w a 19 year old boy…. She was fully responsible for herself in all of it unfortunately

[@stephanieramadhar9585]

​@@blammela She's definitely fully responsible but no one, no matter their age, is immune to manipulative people. And Jeffree is a master manipulator

[@freddyem2522]

@@blammelayou are pretending like age saves you from manipulation and that’s simply not true.

[@MariaLunaDelRey]

@@blammela yes agreed but we don’t know how intensely she was manipulated and pushed to this decision. Yes it was her action to upload and make the accusations, but she had to learn a lot from this experience. Who knows what else she could have been manipulated to do long down the road if this didn’t happen.

[@jenniferjohnson5821]

Coffee ✅ Cozy blanket ✅ Hiding from the kids ✅

[@bunz2011]

@@jenniferjohnson5821 same and snuggling with cat

[@CocoLala84]

I wish i could hide from mine 😢

[@nicnag1]

I have a cozy blanket, an ice cold Mt Dew and kid is at school :)

[@reeofsunshine92]

Hahahaha yas i’m about to make my coffee too

[@mijiah]

i'm currently dying of the plague but part 4 dropping has given me the strength to soldier on

[@judith153]

@@mijiah If only they had Dramageddon Part 2 a century ago! 😅 Hope you feel better soon!

[@tiffywhitesides]

@@mijiah I hope you feel better. But this comment gave me life today 😝

[@lisamgreenleaf]

I feel like one of those scary plague doctors with the long nose masks would approve of this comment 😷😅

[@Gcozayyy]

Hope you feel better soon

[@minoyd]

Me too girl plague solidarity

[@Randilynn66]

I must be the only person who didn't watch the Shane Dawson series.

[@joanne923]

@@Randilynn66 I've never watched it either. In fact, I've never watched any Shane Dawson content, nor any JS or JC content either.

[@jennilynmae]

Same

[@donnao5410]

Me neither..not ever

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

I watched the chuckie cheese one. But that’s about it.

[@marlbboro8091]

Me neither

[@Fiercely_Nic]

Independent of the topic, these are so well made I watch your James Charles videos like feature films, and I anxiously awaitbthe 'premiere'! Awesome, outstanding job, Jen, seriously. You're setting standards. ❤

[@jilljohnson251]

Jen's in-depth videos and detail oriented, fact based approach to reporting on these topics is second to none.

[@mintytoasted]

you can tell she cares and knows what she is talking about. shes qualified to talk about this, you know you can trust her. incredible work

[@dejuhvu1793]

IMO, I think the reason folks attacked Tati, JS, & Shane is because they didn’t actually expose him for the right reasons. It wasn’t because they wanted to “protect straight men”. Tati was butthurt that he promoted another brand besides hers. JS was jealous that a young kid was stealing his views & popularity. Shane is just nasty. I think that’s been proven by JS doing the exact same thing he accused JC of- preying on straight men & making them uncomfortable. The way he talks to men on TikTok live is disgusting & predatory. Tati confirmed she exposed him at the time because she was hurt & felt manipulated by JS & Shane. James is a predator and it was the right message, just the wrong messengers.

[@stellac3047]

Who else was going to expose JC? His family? People he has personal connections to? Would you expose someone before they've exhausted all of your patience and trust? That's just not how people think and react.

[@asunbeam5479]

100% They were all looking for ways to not look like the bad guy

[@anitaspinucci]

Absolutely all of this. They exploited James’ predatory behaviour the exact same way he exploited those boys.

[@mayapapaya510]

@@dejuhvu1793 yeah I think they ultimately just walked things back because they unintentionally exposed their own flaws. Like the predatory behavior was more of an excuse for them and that fact was too transparent for them to die on that hill.

[@rainydays9967]

Exactly, otherwise she wouldn’t have “discussed it and become friends again” if it were actually about the victimisation of straight men or underage children

[@marilynmalcolm9920]

“Breaking My Silence?” None of these people ever shut up. My advice to up and coming beauty gurus: get acting lessons, because the people in these videos can’t even rise to Razzie-level performances, and it was painful watching so many people try to force out a tear. 😢

[@MaryLuCrafts]

@@marilynmalcolm9920 Tati stopped posting videos. She posted only once in a very long while on other platforms. My friend and I were both very concerned and talked about it. "Breaking My Silence" was the first posted video, and then she again went back on hiatus.

[@jaycievictory8461]

​@@MaryLuCraftsWhilst I do think Tati was driven by ego and selfish motivations at points, I think she's genuine when she's said she wants to be someone who brings good into the world. So, I suspect she's quite ashamed of some of her actions and has largely ducked out of the spotlight because of it.

[@jessicaf328]

So sad they used Tati like that. She should have never been friends with those people. You live, you learn, right...

[@nbla39]

I agree....I really feel like she innocently got stuck with all these crazy Hollywood people

[@Maialeen]

Before all this happened, she had Jeffree in a video of hers. Her comment section was filled with people telling her not to trust him. She kept assuring everyone that he's changed and if only you could talk to him you'd see. They had heart to heart conversations and he's a new person. She fell for it hook line and sinker. He did it for his amusement.

[@melaniecostapereira1639]

Ya'll acting like nothing's wrong being friends with a 17yo while she was freaking 37!! she's also weird. They're all sus and weird including Tati.

[@Pavlinka__]

@@melaniecostapereira1639 idk you can have friendly relationship with your student... no different than starting a research project at high school and taking it to university under the same advisor, teacher kinda person

[@may.k_me]

Tati is too naive and too emotional. She clearly did not look into these people enough and just took it at face value.

[@elisa-beary]

As someone who has 2 little sisters, one 6 & one 12 yrs younger than me, some of the things he said to his little brother ON the air were the most uncomfortable to me. It’s like he loves the shock value of it all but doesn’t think about his brother’s age, the camera, the age of his fans or his brother’s comfort level in the slightest. When I was 20 but one sis was 14 the other 8 there were things I didn’t talk to them about & kept for friends my age cuz it was inappropriate!!

[@feitme]

Sheeeit, my little brother is closer to 30 than 25 and I still wouldn't say that stuff to him.

[@TwoLightsOut]

It was so gross. Still makes me cringe when it gets played

[@laurenr5095]

@@elisa-beary to say I was horrified when I saw that is an incredible understatement.

[@mayapapaya510]

One of the craziest parts of this for me is how all these people are saying they are afraid for their life bc of jeffree like what… he must be truly unstable because like what type of person is giving that impression to multiple people they know personally

[@katemsmith1011]

i felt the same way like what is he telling people that makes them fear for their lives over some youtube drama

[@MissKapanadze]

I had the same thought!

[@mayapapaya510]

@@katemsmith1011 yeah its definitely just not THAT serious

[@consonyastovall5858]

​@mayapapaya510 When you figure in the $$, yes, unfortunately, it is that serious. When you mess with someone's bank 🏦, there is no telling what they would do 😳

[@KingOfGaymes]

He probably has blackmail over them all

[@themakeupnurse3419]

I can't believe how big someone's head gets when they are a celebrity. They think they are above everyone else. It eventually catches up.

[@CountCrackulaMyWay]

Tati’s “Bye Sister” hair and makeup was perfection. 🔥

[@DeletedCommentQueen]

That’s so true. Her hair in the apology video was gorgeous too!

[@wesleyimschoot7597]

I already almost died laughing at that hair of James at 2:10. What the hell was that??? 😂😂 The backtracking Jeffree does on the Dahvie thing is ... wow ... just disgusting.

[@AzDesertFoxx]

Anytime someone says "You were called by 'god;", you know it's bullshit.

[@grantmegan91]

Or call themselves an empath 🙄

[@mybdayis420]

yet Tati believed it?

[@monz]

@@mybdayis420Tati never said she believed it; she simply stated that this is what Shane had told her.

[@laurenr5095]

@@AzDesertFoxx if anyone ever said that to me I would run away so fast I would look like the roadrunner.

[@unicornL]

That's the line before you drink the koolaid

[@victoriawise4952]

You really could do a behind the controversy of Tati, Jeffree, Shane, and Trisha and so many others! I hope you keep this going!!

[@Jellybellyellie]

JEN, you have put so many hours of research, dedication, time, effort, and thought in this series and each and every video. Thank you for making sure this isn’t forgotten, and for discussing such a nuanced topic with grace and respect. I deeply love your content, and feel you deserve all the love and subscribers !!!

[@jessicaf328]

The real issue is Jeffree. What a sad human.

[@bisleysgirl]

Thank you!!! He is awful. He leaves a trail of destruction and loves to watch it all crumble.

[@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory]

Tbh, I was never a fan, but his move to WY blew me away lol. The marketing of it vs the reality is insane! It’s very interesting to me that he hasn’t been exposed yet, but I guess you have to actually be there to really understand. Casper is nothing like what he’s portraying. I’m convinced he found out fast that he’s not “land near Jackson Hole” rich but realized that so few people are familiar with Casper that he could pull it off. Casper is like Billings, Bismarck, Rapid City…it’s a blue collar cow & oil town on an interstate route. People move there to go to vo-tech or to get a good deal on a taco John’s franchise, but not to live the gorgeous western lifestyle. It CAN be beautiful but you have to shoot it very carefully, most of the time it’s just aggressive weather on an unforgiving scrub desert. To the very few of us who’ve also been to Casper, this is like moving to Bakersfield but convincing people it’s just like Julian. It’s a minor thing from a grumpy rural west perspective, but it’s a pretty big lie from a marketing angle - I’m honestly a bit shocked he was willing to move to Casper, and if you knew the economy, you’d have a very different impression of his wealth. And the more successful you appear, the more you sell. The way he reacted when fans showed up to his ranch told me everything. People like RuPaul live in Jackson (RuPaul’s husband is a rancher & frakker, but the super rich kind, like way richer than RuPaul), security is already integrated into that area. Whereas Jeffree has regular not-crazy-rich neighbors who got extremely mad at him for drawing urban weirdos. He would have been mad at that in Jackson, but not terrified that he himself would get iced out, and I’m sure he’s still reliant on neighbors for help, even with a professional yaak ranch manager. Exotic ranching has never taken off long term, other than the native elk, venison & bison, which are very familiar to us, you never see these trends like emu meat last long. It’s a very risky investment he’s made & the cost of a ranch vs beauty brand is staggering.

[@LuxValkyrie]

Is it really though? He was right about every person he called a predator, soooo…….

[@lumiere7216]

Lord Voldemort and Satan himself

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Shane is a terrible person too lol let’s not act like he’s innocent

[@Arbee1000]

I got secondhand embarrassment from Jeffree’s flailing when the podcasters questioned him about his Dahvie tweet that he was trying to explain away as meaning something entirely different than what it said.

[@annacoates8965]

I just love your channel. Thank you for your hardwork

[@jenluv]

Thank you Anna!

[@KayossPlays]

You're amazing for making this series. I'm sick of giving people like James Charles and Jeffree Star a platform.

[@mistytells]

Imagine all the things we don’t know about people. Sometimes, the most normal people on here are the sickest, too. We just don’t know their business yet or we never will.

[@KayossPlays]

@@mistytells terrifying! There's a lot of people I'm worried will get canceled lol

[@janekof]

I think Tati's Breaking Silence is the anomaly. At that point, she did speak to James Charles and KZbin. They probably spun it to say that the voice note couldve been faked. JC probably did manipulate her like she feared too. Honestly, dont blame her. Between the WOACB (another youtuber) who allegedly was using bots to enflame people against Tati, the business lawsuit, separation, JStar+ ShaneD history revisited....she probably was convinced what she thought/felt/seen about JC doing inappropriate things as not real.

[@wendyd_darling]

Wow excellent work on this again Jen. I'm blown away how well-done it is. Already can't wait for part 5. I didn't follow this when it was happening. It's fascinating. I have you to thank for now being obsessed with beauty drama. Now if I could just find the right foundation that matches my skin tone I'd be aces.

[@Jules222B]

Jen these videos are so good. I lived thru this time period, I've watched countless other creators videos on the topic, and yet you're putting together so many pieces I had never even thought of before. Appreciate the hard work that must have gone into this series!

[@FashionPassion777]

I laugh every time you say "Hi friend" because that's how I say hi to people when I can't remember their real names lol

[@alanaharvey8185]

i'm not gonna lie, the absolute CRAZIEST part of this story is fucking CHRIS HANSEEEEEEEN getting involved 😭😭

[@TrinaMadeIt]

When you do a deep dive into Chris Hansen and his downfall then the crazy really starts!!!

[@NicoleSlays]

What is also telling after everything was said and done, the only one left standing next to Shane was Ryan. His crew varnished and did their own thing.

[@shamaamamamamaah6928]

Pretty much launched their own careers!

[@NicoleSlays]

@@shamaamamamamaah6928 Yes, they did indeed!

[@WerasMakeup]

Hi, Jen! I haven't finished watching just yet but you mentioned that the trailer for the series with Shane and Jeffree and what the series showed was pretty much as "advertised", but if I remember correctly, the trailer actually showed Shane, his fiancé, Jeffree and someone else all watching together the "Bye, Sister" video in someone's living room and then the series showed that they were in different places when the video dropped. I remember drama channels pointing this out and thinking that maybe Shane had to reshoot or change it because the trailer made it look like they knew the video was dropping, a narrative they were trying to avoid at the time but that was catching on. (Loving the series btw)

[@alyssabrown-carleton6173]

For some reason I'm remembering them being at the office or warehouse and seeing it

[@ManiguitosCelayaRodriguez]

Yes! I remember that too!

[@msdouglas12100]

Yup js, rich lux, shane and ryland all together. The trailer and what was the series were very different.

[@iamsquatty]

Does anyone else think james sometimes looks like a Japanese folklore creature, the kappa with a lily pad on its head, when his hair looks tall but flat at the same time? No, just me? 😂💜

[@ZijnShayatanica]

OMFG YOU FINALLY DESCRIBED IT.

[@iamsquatty]

@ZijnShayatanica 🤣🤣🤣 I always thought it looked a bit odd then while watching this video that popped into my head and it make complete sense, I'm glad I'm not the only one 🤣💜

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Bicycle seat

[@CrystalFier]

Don't kappa also steal children? Sounds accurate lol

[@iamsquatty]

@CrystalFier 🤣 very true.

[@PrincessCarparkle]

The second Tati video is where she lost me. Blaming her Bye Sister video on Jeffree & Shane, but she listed things that happened right in front of her, not 2nd hand info. That was it for me. Side note-Catie Turner is SUCH a great artist.

[@kellahanna-wayne4191]

The thing that I can't get over is here is Jeffree saying that it's not his place to out this KZbinr who says James did terrible things to them, so he won't post receipts, but then he looks for any and every opportunity to play the clip to other KZbinrs privately. Like first of all, how is posting it publicly not okay but actively volunteering to play it for whoever wants to hear it is fine? And secondly, it's the worst kind of information to spread because it's not actionable. No one can go to the authorities, no one can ethically expose the truth online, no one who has heard the clip has themselves been in danger of being a victim of James. So it just makes people believe James is deeply terrible AND make them feel guilty and awful that there's nothing they can do. It's spreading a victim's story around exclusively to stir the pot, no other higher purpose.

[@kellahanna-wayne4191]

Also, to be clear, I'm not saying that this info shouldn't be shared about James or that it's unethical to say these bad things about him. I'm saying Jeffree is actually doing nothing to hold James accountable, is playing fast and loose with a victim's story, and is making himself look like he's such a good person for opposing James. His motives for sharing are all bad and he has no problem with the potential collateral damage to others, including the victim.

[@laurenr5095]

I love how Rich lux was making videos this whole time speculating what happened when HE WAS THERE while Shane and Ryland and Jeffree were watching bye sister. Still can't get over that to this day.

[@johnnyarellano7653]

Honestly please never edit down your videos! They are always soooo insightful and I’m glued to every minute of this 😊

[@bardlover6]

Saw the notif and immediately clicked. Can’t watch all of it now but gonna watch some of it now and the rest after work

[@marinadelgado3101]

Literally doing the same, gonna be thinking about this all through my shift

[@AlohaLowah]

Same!!! ❤️ ❤️

[@bardlover6]

Just finished. Never refollowed james after the drama. He always gave me the ick

[@JeremyHagan-gr4vo]

I really can’t get over how much money he has and still wears the most hideous clothes

[@aleena16]

I’m such a Tati fan so I know I’m biased but now after the situation has cooled off and we know the timeline and back stories, I still think Tati was severely manipulated. Even in the breaking silence video. I wish she hadn’t surrounded herself with these characters but they really did a number on her. Shane, Jeffery and James are all very negligent and manipulative. They found the perfect person to toy with. Tati is very accepting and embraces others no matter what. Which can turn into being gullible. But now years later it’s wild to think about how this played out. After Shane and Jeffrey’s series I stopped watching KZbin for awhile so I have nooooooo clue what James did and the pictures he sent. I’m on the edge of my seat. Upload it baby. Im so curious.

[@hattarapilvi]

i cannot wait for part 5. once thats out and i've watched im gonna rewatch the whole series back to back. 🙌🏻 its crazy how entertaining and suspensful youve managed to make this whole mess despite the fact that i was THERE when it all went down. 😂

[@awetistic5295]

This is what I call a docu series! Shane Dawson could never. 🤣

[@goblinchild1371]

Ik this series is about James but honestly Jeffree comes out sounding like an absolute spider and a supervillain

[@samanthaelizabeth8330]

Right! I’d watch Jen do another series just on Jeffery. Shane has nothing on Jen

[@fatimasummaray784]

@@samanthaelizabeth8330 if you want all the tea on Jeffery, definitely watch niki carreon videos !

[@DestinyVanHorn]

You should definitely do a deep dive on Shane because his downfall was a catalyst to a lot of other things!

[@rebecky5ever]

this whole situation reads like that one friend group at school having a falling out

[@coffee8599]

Can we all just agree that they all wanted to save their own butts? Lol

[@Georgeツ]

I FINISHED THIS VIDEO 🙌 (my thoughts): If Tati was younger, like J.C., people would gave given her a lot more grace. People keep bringing up her age but gullibility isn't age-specific. I don't think she's had very many life experiences, dealing with people as disingenuous as J.S. & S.D., and, sadly, she fell victim to their lies and manipulation. She got swept away with the feeling of being loved & appreciated in a friendship; something she felt was no longer present in her friendship with J.C.. Sadly, we, now, know that that her friendship with, both, J.S. & S.D. was highly calculated & one-sided. She was remorseful, apologetic and embarrassed, by the whole situation. She, probably, suffered the most dire personal consequences, as a result of this "drama" and she dealt with it all, quietly, behind closed doors. I feel horrible for what Tati had to endure but, as full-grown adults, people expect you to have better discernment, by this age; they will hold you accountable, regardless of good intention. ONTO, PART 5 🙌 This series is so well-done. I'm absolutely hooked. Thank you so much, Jen ❤

[@roses_of_ludovico2709]

At the end of the day they all enabled AND continue to enable James to get away with inappropriate and sometimes criminal behavior. You can’t point the finger at JS without including Tati and Shane. Shame on all of them.

[@KB-mu7tj]

This! All of them benefited some way or another. When it's no longer cool to be associated with a hated person, all the sudden people come out of the woodworks chastising the behavior that they also indulge in.

[@roses_of_ludovico2709]

@@KB-mu7tj Completely agree! Supposedly they all “knew” James was/is a predator yet none of them said a thing. Or they said just enough bs yet nothing definitive. They are to blame as well. It’s sickening how so many feel sorry for Tati and go after the others but she was the adult in her relationship with James. She should have known better and done better.

[@Michelle-il2cf]

Just want to say i appreciate how good you are at censoring words so i can listen with my toddler in the the room 😅 some people arent really careful and the words are totally audible but you're so careful and its appreciated by this mama of littles!! Love your content

[@mbh1964]

I believe that there’s a special place in hell for people who strategically lie so blatantly at the expense of others wellbeing, safety, and reputation. No amount of power, status, or money gives anyone the right or to hurt others or put them in danger. Shame on you JS, JC, SD. Sorry, not sorry.

[@chelseah6152]

I’m not all the way through the video yet, but one thing sticks with me. more than one person said they were scared for their life when it comes to Jeffree Star. Why? Lots of people speak up about different things and people, but not many people say they’re scared for their life, but more than one person did when it comes to Jeffree. Why? What has he said? What has he done to make that a real threat? Curious.

[@problematic_fav]

It’s 2024 and we still haven’t heard of the infamous voice note. If he was so concerned why didn’t he turn it over to the police 👮????

[@jenluv]

My theory is that the person was over 18 and needed to press charges for the police to get involved. That's just my theory though.

[@problematic_fav]

@@jenluv Jen Voldemort was using it as blackmail ,couldn’t they make a claim against him ?

[@jenluv]

James could have, but bringing this voice note to the legal system, if true, could have backfired on him.

[@asunbeam5479]

@@jenluv in instances of DV/SA, the survivor does not need to press charges for police to get involved or even for an arrest to take place. however, since the voice note wasn't "scary enough for [tati] to go to the police" it likely didn't have anything outright incriminating

[@Mieczyslaw_Mason]

​@jenluv Wasn't there this drama channel 'Sebastian Williams'(?) That claimed to have heard the voice note and said it was one of the Dolan Twins. I remember seeing that /hearing that, but the video got deleted. Not sure if that was a liable source drama channel though...

[@laurenr5095]

I'm also waiting for you to do a series on Raw beauty Kristi.

[@tyrsis]

YES!!!!!!

[@sweetbsting4557]

Am I sick of people avoiding having hard conversations by asking themselves easy questions? YES!

[@beckypurplepetal1852]

Jeffree Star would sell his own Mother if he meant he could get ahead. He lies, backstabs and maipulates to get what he wants and it baffles me how he got away with it for so long!

[@B_b818]

almost a 2 hour video on a day full of chores i have to get done!?! THANK YOU!!! 😂🙏🏻

[@MrAnonymous2332]

Tati was a pawn in their sick game you could never make me hate her.

[@rachelcrawford1977]

@@MrAnonymous2332 I always felt there was more to the story then what she said. Remember when James forced her step son to do drag and go to the mall. I always felt James was attracted to the step son. I have no prof but he was James type and I always felt Tati was upset more then those 2 story’s. Protecting her step son she kept him out told other story’s. Let’s be honest her second apology video was forced by James team.

[@MrAnonymous2332]

@@rachelcrawford1977 its definitely possible he’s always so inappropriate…

[@TheCosmicCleaner]

I 100% agree! She was a pawn in a greater game to take down James under the guise of Tati, when Shane and Jeffree orchestrated it. But, let’s just remember that James did this to Tati’s husband whose involved in none of this drama

[@kellymarie7660]

I think she knew who these people were.. She was hanging out with them doing collabs. She may have gotten thrown under the bus but she chose to be friends in the first place.

[@dodge10P1N]

The problem is cant get behind is why she was even involved with James in the first place. The whole thing is problematic.

[@Shelby_miller94]

Ok I am buckled up

[@marylove909]

The performative tear wiping in their docuseries trailer was so very unesseccary

[@liss2503]

If Tati had past issues with alcohol or substance abuse it could be her mind is not the same as a non abusing person. I have a family member who is an alcoholic and a substance user and their brain has been chemically changed. They are not as rational and are more emotional than before all of the addictions happened. That could be why she was easily manipulated. Just thought I would put that out there. Also loving this series. Excellent deep dive.

[@nena1206]

@@liss2503 yes however the brain the regenerate after addiction. it’s very malleable

[@sashagemini7623]

This is so insulting to every recovering alcoholic. Jeffree Star is a master manipulator. That's it. Stop reducing people to their past abuse. She's been sober for YEARS, and got sober in her 20s. She didn't have a decades long problem. If you've never been an alcoholic, or you're not a doctor, you have ZERO right. ZERO.

[@romana.in.wonderland]

Well. I do not think so. Our brain heals in the most surprising and fast way. So I do not think Tati's brain works differently to mine (I have a few glasses of wine per month).

[@essjai5D]

@@sashagemini7623 calm down.

[@grlwthgrniis]

I've watched 1,2,3.... Can't wait for this one. All of parts are good to watch!

[@kelseykmua]

I am thoroughly convinced that J* and Shane were jealous of JC and wanted to use what they "knew" about JC (with the voice note) to manipulate Tati into filming Bye Sister. Here's why; Tati had already been catching the red flags. She was seeing them with her own eyes. But after attempting to talk it out with JC and he didn't listen, by J* having her listen to the voice note, all she could think of was "let me do something before it gets really bad!" But that was what J* wanted all along. So when she posted Breaking My Silence, she'd finally had enough time to piece everything together in realizing that she HAD been manipulated, even if what she'd seen with her own eyes was true, and what Shane and J* had truth to it. I don't think that Tati's apology to JC was a sign of weakness; it's a sign of emotional intelligence, growth, and to not feel the heaviness in her own heart. She (very quickly) found out that making a video wasn't the best way to go about changing JC's behavior. Even if Shane and J* didn't talk her into making a video, they planted the seeds in the garden of drama. So her apology wasn't for the context of Bye Sister, but more about apologizing for allowing herself to be manipulated into broadcasting emotions without hard-hitting facts or receipts. I think people saying that she should have relied more on facts than emotions due to her age and shouldn't have acted out of emotion is (in my opinion) very ignorant. I think most of us have been in situations where we've had one friend say something mean about another friend behind their back, but because the friend speaking had appealed to your emotions as a means of breaking your defenses (aka being manipulated) is something that not a lot of us would be able to identify as manipulation if we hadn't been scorned by that friend before. Granted yes, these types of experiences and knowledge come with age, but someone who is 90 years old but never been scorned, would never imagine someone would do it to them in their future, nor would they know how to identify it, because it had never happened to them before. I still have a lot of respect for Tati. I never stopped watching her videos, and I SCREAMED when she returned to KZbin. I think her career will continue to flourish. (I mean come on, people STILL talk about the Tati Beauty palette being the best palette EVER!)

[@tramasrarasoddplots]

My honest opinion is that every main character in this story is awful. Yet, they believe themselves to be the kindest person in the room.

[@allisonjohnson3886]

Girl, your work on this series especially is so thorough and impressive. I really hope this makes you good money because your time and energy input is so impressive! On another note, my split lips are reminding me it’s almost time for me to revisit the lip balm vids for like the 82nd year in a row 😂

[@jessieirving5707]

I'm Early! Id enjoy more of these types of videos especialy from your perspective after being on the platform for so long

[@JJnChristini]

Honestly this video is about 'how stupid Tati was for believing Jeffree and Shane" more than it is about James Charles getting away with shit that he does.

[@cassier3544]

First off, I just want to say how much I’ve enjoyed this series so far! Second, as I’m nearing the end of the video, and I don’t see a lot of people mentioning this, but the person I honestly feel for the most in this situation? The person who is on the voice note. Seriously. For all we know, this note for one, could somehow (but probably not) been taken out of context, but also, this is this persons story to tell.. OR NOT TELL. Which that person has that right, and I just feel for them in the sense that I can’t imagine being talked about and mentioned so much , knowing that it’s you, but also not wanting your name attached to it, for whatever reason, yet it keeps being brought up, just without the name. The distress it’s caused so many people who listened to it, the first person I feel for is said person on the recording.

[@rebek18]

@@cassier3544 well said!

[@NaomiR51]

I do believe Jeffree has something on James, even if its just alone the voice note. I think he backed off because he realised that it wasn’t his place. Maybe the minor had turned 18 at that point and it was their choice to come out or not. I think Tati was still right to make the bye sister video, regardless of Shane and Jeffree. She had seen bad behaviour that she didn’t approve of and James wouldn’t listen to her otherwise. She doesn’t need to hide behind ‘Shane and Jeffree made me do it’, she was right to make the video. That being said, Shane and Jeffree did manipulate her solemnly based on gossip and she probably would’ve solved her situation with James some other way than making the big video.

[@kaydiglawson7767]

Im sorry but her saying she thought she would be killed along with Blair and others who said the same is absolutely absurd

[@katemsmith1011]

i felt the exact same way lol

[@lindatannock]

Talk about being over dramatic!! 😂🙄

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

She acts like they’re in the mafia lol

[@CanisSubwoofus]

I feel like if someone were manipulated and gaslit enough by someone really really rich like that, and felt paranoid after waiting for the other shoe to drop, eventually one might get a wee bit crazy enough to believe someone who’s got enough money to call a hit might cash in on it Also, Jeffree is *suspicious enough as is, so even if I think he wouldn’t, I definitely can’t fault a mentally exhausted Tati for believing a reach like that. She was being exhausted from several angles, after all

[@annamiettinen]

THIS! I was scrolling through the comments waiting that somebody had mentioned this. "I was scared of my life, I downloaded everything to hard drive and told my lawyer"... It's a god damn internet drama, not the mafia!

[@deborahtheexplorer]

The way I drop everything for your deep dives😭

[@sianallama]

I'm so glad you included the info about Shane and JS as that was such a huge part of all this drama. It's wild going through this again after living through it lol

[@greg-op2jh]

I would love for you and peter monn to have a conversation together. Would be awesome ❤ Ps you have worked your ass off for this serious. Really awesome Edit: my heart breaks for Tati. I know no one is perfect but she is also in recovery. I have been sober for 4 years and I can't help but feel awful for her. How strong she is for staying sober during this time. ❤

[@mistytells]

Like I said in someone’s comment… Imagine all the terrible things we don’t know about other people. The things people do and people don’t find out about. It’s usually the most kind, normal people who are the biggest monsters.

[@roxita7097]

All of Shane’s old content was up by the time the scandal happened. His reputation was already very dodgy by the time Tati met him, the fact he was insanely popular drowned the critics voices, but the mini scandals where everywhere if she cared to look. Her audience warned Tati not to get involved with those awful people, in fact at the time I stopped watching her because i loathed those individuals. It’s just not true when she came out and said that Shane was a respected director, he became a KZbin “Director” because after the scandal of “The Chair” he totally ruined his chance of a career outside of it. I do not think someone that monetises and spreads conspiracies about the Sandy Hook tragedy is the type of person i would allow to step into my house.

[@blammela]

I thought Shane was already washed up bcz he’s a creep and was making his come back with these series. He was always gross. But you tubers were getting rich and avoiding being cancelled then same as now…. Their supports are mostly children and people under 25.

[@roxita7097]

@@blammela Exactly. The docu series was already Shane’s second act. I find it amazing that people are claiming they did not know Shane or JS were awful people. The whole idea of the docu series, if exclude Bunny ( he almost ruined her career) was to give the most disgusting people a redemption arc. In fact it took Shane quite a while to distance himself and take down his old skits, i think it must have been bewildering for him that people now thought what made him famous was totally unacceptable, when at that stage everyone knew that he was operating on the less “respectable” side of KZbin.

[@Livkate_xo]

Love this series!!

[@jenluv]

Yay! I hope you love part 4. Thanks for being here!

[@ilovecairo]

Blaire White is not anti trans! She's pro reality and common sense. I highly recommend for anyone to check her out. I think Jen has this one wrong.

[@Synchrodepity]

Facts. And I'm a trans woman myself

[@artstudentlife]

1:04:09 this is gonna sound so weird but I just realised jeffree always has his head held a little like sideways and my adhd brain is just “does his neck not hurt?” 😂😭😂😭😂

[@sarahledbetter7118]

Thank you so much for all the work you’ve put in this series!

[@juliawilson1251]

This series has been JOURNALISM👏🏼👏🏼bravo Jen

[@juliawilson1251]

Been a fan for years and love seeing you thrive

[@michellepernush5542]

Just be honest why you don’t like Blair White. She’s a trans conservative. She speaks out against transitioning minors. She’s fully ok with an adult transitioning.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

She’s a creep and a bigot. She spreads lies about grown adult trans women. She thinks she’s “one of the good ones” but she doesn’t realize they always turn on people like her.

[@iamnotaconcept]

absolutely killing it with this series, Jen. much needed info and coming from a trusted source like you, it's easily digestible.

[@jordanmarie10]

I think we’re giving Tati too much grace with this. Was she fed info, yes. But she made the decision to sit in front of that camera and discuss her own experiences with James. She backtracked after the fact when others didn’t come forward

[@spragona]

I think it’s interesting that in this situation the men are directly or indirectly blaming Tati, the woman, for this happening. Somehow she is at fault.

[@jordanmarie10]

@@spragona I think everyone is trying to blame each other. I really like Tati and support her.. but didn’t like how she handled this whole thing at all.

[@bewitchedt]

I agree. This is coming across as very pro-Tati, and sometimes I'm forgetting this about JC. I get she's still well loved right now, but by no means is she as innocent as she betrays.

[@annamiettinen]

@@spragona Because Tati was best friends with JC. If a known bullshitter came to you talking shit about your best friend, would you just believe them? Or maybe think they are lying or talk to your friend about it? You know what they say, with friends like that, who needs enemies.

[@spragona]

@@annamiettinen I’m pointing out that to me it seems the biggest criticism is directed at Tati who coincidentally is the only woman in that story and gay men can be excused no matter what they do. Shane, James and JC all have done quite questionable things yet no one really criticises them as much as they criticise Tati. I also doubt Tati was best friends with JC. To me it seems she gave him the benefit of the doubt and was wrong.

[@unperfectperfectionist]

The fact that multiple people have feared for their lives from Jeffree......

[@michellesmola8778]

I feel like James doesn’t think he’s a pr3dator because in his head those are only old lonely men and not someone his age or status

[@dyzamo5160]

This series is so well researched. Loving it.

[@Aweitslovely]

Love your videos especially controversies/ but dislike your disclaimer on blaire white calling a trans woman anti trans is silly. Trans people are allowed to think freely and not all have the same political views. Just sayin. Still like this video.

[@Joxxerfoxy]

I stopped watching her videos years ago but she’s the first person who opened up my mind to trans people. 😅

[@tyrsis]

Jen this was an absolutely amazing video. They have all be on point! I listened to it while redoing a photo wall in my home and when you said the video was ending I actually screamed NOOOOOO. I would have listened for another six hours. Thank you for being so clear and transparent. I remember all this going down. But to have the timeline laid so bare. It’s just wild!! I’m obsessed.